I am surprised, but pleased, to see how this bottom tier filter held up even after use well beyond its intended life cycle. It must have been made properly with no flaws.
a neighbor uses m1 & an orange fram filter & his oil, after 12k looked BLACK... i showed him that my AMSOIL , u could see thru after 23k... fram iz the worst...
When FRAM designs filters, they always test them in some conditions a "regular" person would not subject a filter too. This is one of those cases. it looks like it stood up well!
FRAM does test their filters to meet minimum OEM requirements. Somehow cardboard end caps can survive the testing. So that $1 budget filter, with metal end caps, probably knocks the socks off Fram. I feel so much better now.
You have better eyes than me. For the last 60 years I have used toilet paper bypass filters. When big stuff starts showing up on the toilet paper I know the bypass valve is open. I usually change the toilet paper before the valve opens on the full flow filter. Also the toilet paper will normally keep the full flow filter clean by absorbing the sludge.
Thank you for subscribing.... Fram ultra looks like a very good filter... I believe they got rid of the wire metal backing and increased the filter media... I'm sure it will be just as good!!
The older Orange rnade Frams had metal end caps which was before they started making different versions and had a thicker case like a real heavy duty filter should .. I still have a couple of them ..
Dont remember ever seeing a Fram that didnt use paper ends except the newer more expensive ones. The paper ends will last as long as the pleats. Clean oil makes paper stronger.
Fiber ends are fine. The only time they wouldn't be is if they're in such excess high mileage that they're coming apart, which would mean the filter media is also in direct jeopardy of disintegration. In addition to anyone who goes that far on a filter doesn't care about the engine in the first place. The ends, be they metal or fiber are only to maintain pleat spacing. Engines with replaceable filter elements most often have no end cap at all. It's like debating on which crank journal bearings are best if you have 1qt. of oil in the pan. Only a problem after a big problem of neglect.
i have yet to see anyone show a car where a fram filter failed and destroyed their engine despite everyone saying they are the worst filter back in the 2000 era consumer reports tested filters and fram filtered the best.
Those brittle cardboard end caps wouldn’t be so brittle if they were made of steel or aluminum, like pretty much every other filter manufacturer uses these days. After viewing quite a few filter comparison videos, I won’t use Fram anymore.
$2.23 for a COR filter. Which are better that are priced less... oh ya .. NAPA's cheapos made by Champion and are sold to shops in boxes of 12 for 89 cents each (5 yrs ago,)
You'd have to be pretty damn cheap to use a Fram filter, or uninformed, or visit a 'quikie lube'. EVEN the supposed 'Ultra' premium filters have really 'smallish' inlet holes compared to other Mfr's. Why do you think Fram went to the fancy teardrop inlets on the Advance Auto Titanium line? (plus kept the metal screen). There's only two grades of everything. The best and everything else.
Yes, you are correct. One of the only posters that noted this fact. Even at that range, I wouldn't use it. Fram optimistically rates it now for 10K miles and changed absolutely NOTHING about the filter except the packaging printing saying that.
@@uglyhandgarage2927 this makes me feel good about using the Fram filters. I don’t think I’d even run the Ultra Synthetic for that many miles, but it’s good to know that you can! Thanks for the cut-up!
Bought a cash car with 225 ,000 miles on it 06 Nissan Altima. It needed valve work. It looked new inside . Couldn't believe it. In the 60s if you bought a used car with 225,000 miles on it it probably needed more than valve work. You probably needed to open up the top wash everything down into the oil pan then remove the oil pan and clean it. If the oil filter looked like it had been on a long time it was probably deteriorating.
Nice long stress test! Good to see. Note that the current Fram Force or ExtraGaurd "PH" series oil filters do NOT use silicone ADBV valves. If you look at one, if it is black, that is the inferior nitrile rubber. You really want silicone ADBV, as this video proves, silicone stays flexible with age, and cold too. I prefer Fram Ultra from walmart, you really can't do better than that for filtering and longevity. Amsoil EAO series are also great but hard to get (online sales only). MicroGard Select (must say "Select", not their cheaper one) is also a good choice, very clean inside (no glue strewn everywhere like many oil filters). Also, Purolator & Motorcraft have a BAD reputation for getting holes in the filtering media, so avoid them.
There must be a lot of sludge in the engine of the vehicle that this oil filter came out of. 26,000 miles is way too long between oil changes. The owner of this vehicle should add a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to the crankcase to clean out the sludge. If they did use MMO, I would think the oil would turn black within several hundred miles.
If this video doesn’t put the “FRAM falls apart in the can” myth to bed I don’t know what will. Only time I’ve ever seen it is when people block or modify the bypass valve on GM engines after a rebuild. Two FRAM XG’s have been thoroughly documented for the ADBV tearing and getting sucked into the engine and FRAM paid for both cars to have new engines installed.
I honestly don't stick to certain brands, I always use a full synthetic that is API certified and is also Dexso certified. As far as filters I mostly use ACDelco and Motorcraft along with K&n and supertech... That given my favorite oil would be Pennzoil platinum and filter is Purolator Boss !!!
@@uglyhandgarage2927 I use that combo of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum full synthetic with the Purolator Boss filter during the wintertime. Because I do my own oil changes, wintertime is too cold (I live in Indy) and I might have to go 4 months with an OCI of close to 10K miles. I need an oil and filter that can handle the extreme temps.
Waaay to long on a oil change me personally I change mine every 3 thousand but I also drive a 95 f150 but I got 327,500 miles on it too. Preventive maintance goes a long way.
I see some comments on here people saying 'it held up'. What does that mean? The filter was in bypass for 16,000-18,000 miles and that's supposed to be 'acceptable? Even Fram states that cheap filter is only good to 10K miles. That's twice what in reality it's capable of. It's cellulose media and probably fairly compromised. Without an oil analysis, which would be scary, or looking at it under a scope this doesn't really prove anything except this filter was dead a LOOOONG time ago.
@@uglyhandgarage2927 Says it all taking his truck to WM for an oil change. Some people care about their equipment and some people just drive it (into the ground). Maybe you should call Fram and see what they think about using that filter for 26K miles. Don't know any oil that would last that long in a worn out engine. Would like to see the inside of the engine. Just because it's 'working' doesn't mean it's working well. Even the premium Fram Ultra is a 20K mile filter for around $5 more. What's the point of saving $40 by buying cheap filters over 200K miles? That's pretty stingy.
@@uglyhandgarage2927 Understood, Thanks for the video, it was interesting to see. Lots of variables. That guy should have at least got the Ultra for those change intervals. Might have used a lot of make up oil if it's a leaker or a burner. Good to see the results but I'd still never use one. I did use a TON of those in the '80's for 3K changes. That was in the 'Bendix-Autolite' ownership days. Never took one apart then.
i wish i could show u a pix of my AMSOIL filter w/ 23,671 miles on it, in 3 years, 2 months & 2 days... using AMSOIL Signature Series 0w20, in my '16 lexus nx200t... showed it 2 a mechanic who thought i could put it back in... LOL, he was only kidding... butt it did look just a little coloured... yes i do use & sell AMSOIL...
The new Fram Endurance filter at Walmart is the same exact filter as the Amsoil filter for a little over $12.... The irony of Fram making Amsoil filters 😂
Excellent filter for $8.74 . I purchased a used Corolla and the oil and filter was changed 40 thousand k's ago and it leaked oil from seal and is two times heavier than new filter.😊😊
Been using Fram filters in everything I've own for many years now.
Never had one single issue ever.
Great video, thanks for posting!
I am surprised, but pleased, to see how this bottom tier filter held up even after use well beyond its intended life cycle. It must have been made properly with no flaws.
It did hold up well beyond any reasonable explanations lol
Fram filters are the bottom of the barrel!
So is Natty Light but it still gets the job done.@@billywilliams3908
only an idiot would put that many miles on a oil and filter
I been a Fram user for years and loved them, never had a issue, they are excellent quality filtration!
Looks like it did well to me!!!
a neighbor uses m1 & an orange fram filter & his oil, after 12k looked BLACK... i showed him that my AMSOIL , u could see thru after 23k... fram iz the worst...
@@brucek.hoffman5868 Fram with card board end caps are fine up to about 5k miles.
Fram is fine. People who dog it just want something to dog. Just change your oil on time. I like full synthetic or synthetic blend personally.
I agree!!
When FRAM designs filters, they always test them in some conditions a "regular" person would not subject a filter too. This is one of those cases. it looks like it stood up well!
It definitely held it's ground!!!
I think everyone that ever designs a consumer product does that. Fram isn't special.
FRAM does test their filters to meet minimum OEM requirements. Somehow cardboard end caps can survive the testing.
So that $1 budget filter, with metal end caps, probably knocks the socks off Fram. I feel so much better now.
I used Fram oil filters on my motorcycles and had no problems at all. But I switched to Hiflo because they are a better built filter.
I'd say it held up fine considering how many miles were on that filter.
I agree... You couldn't expect much better from any filter!!!!
i bet it was in bipass for the last 10k miles or so. that thing is DIRTY!
It definitely had better days lol
was going 2 make THAT comment , thanx 4 making it 4 me...
You have better eyes than me. For the last 60 years I have used toilet paper bypass filters. When big stuff starts showing up on the toilet paper I know the bypass valve is open. I usually change the toilet paper before the valve opens on the full flow filter. Also the toilet paper will normally keep the full flow filter clean by absorbing the sludge.
Fram usually gets a bad wrap.... I've used them alot and never had any problems...
I never heard of a engine being destroyed because of an oil filter.
They are not known for being the highest quality but I've never seen any damages done by them either
Fram tastic
26,000 mile oil change is no good , no matter what anyone says.
I definitely agree!!
You just got a new subscriber... thanks for sharing Dude.
Btw... what do you think of the new Fram Ultras vs the older version?
Thank you for subscribing.... Fram ultra looks like a very good filter... I believe they got rid of the wire metal backing and increased the filter media... I'm sure it will be just as good!!
Fram are just fine yes
This is why I don’t buy random used cars
Why the first thing I do with any used car is fluids check and oil change, can’t trust anyone
The older Orange rnade Frams had metal end caps which was before they started making different versions and had a thicker case like a real heavy duty filter should .. I still have a couple of them ..
Great information!!!
Dont remember ever seeing a Fram that didnt use paper ends except the newer more expensive ones. The paper ends will last as long as the pleats. Clean oil makes paper stronger.
@@ralphwood8818 I see now problem using them for normal cycles!!!
Fiber ends are fine. The only time they wouldn't be is if they're in such excess high mileage that they're coming apart, which would mean the filter media is also in direct jeopardy of disintegration. In addition to anyone who goes that far on a filter doesn't care about the engine in the first place. The ends, be they metal or fiber are only to maintain pleat spacing. Engines with replaceable filter elements most often have no end cap at all.
It's like debating on which crank journal bearings are best if you have 1qt. of oil in the pan. Only a problem after a big problem of neglect.
i have yet to see anyone show a car where a fram filter failed and destroyed their engine despite everyone saying they are the worst filter back in the 2000 era consumer reports tested filters and fram filtered the best.
I've never heard of a failure either... I believe with regular maintenance they will do just fine !!
Those brittle cardboard end caps wouldn’t be so brittle if they were made of steel or aluminum, like pretty much every other filter manufacturer uses these days. After viewing quite a few filter comparison videos, I won’t use Fram anymore.
I agree that there are plenty of better built filters out there but under normal usage these seem to hold up just fine.
@@uglyhandgarage2927 Just saying, there are better options that cost less.
$2.23 for a COR filter.
Which are better that are priced less...
oh ya ..
NAPA's cheapos made by Champion and are sold to shops in boxes of 12 for 89 cents each (5 yrs ago,)
Or the same material as the filter, only a bit thicker.
You'd have to be pretty damn cheap to use a Fram filter, or uninformed, or visit a 'quikie lube'. EVEN the supposed 'Ultra' premium filters have really 'smallish' inlet holes compared to other Mfr's. Why do you think Fram went to the fancy teardrop inlets on the Advance Auto Titanium line? (plus kept the metal screen). There's only two grades of everything. The best and everything else.
I work on a Walmart Auto shop and that filter are the ones we get on the shop the one's that say COR then numbers after...-__-
Yes, it is the Walmart special lol
I cant believe that piece of junk survived that long.
It did... Actually better than some other filters I've seen in the past!!
That filter Only designed for 3-5 thousand miles max
They are rated for 10 now!
Yes, you are correct. One of the only posters that noted this fact. Even at that range, I wouldn't use it. Fram optimistically rates it now for 10K miles and changed absolutely NOTHING about the filter except the packaging printing saying that.
Good interesting video,👍
Fram is a good oil filter, the Ultra is even better.
Thank you Whip
@@uglyhandgarage2927 this makes me feel good about using the Fram filters. I don’t think I’d even run the Ultra Synthetic for that many miles, but it’s good to know that you can! Thanks for the cut-up!
You're welcome and thank you for the positive comment
Goes to show even a bottom of the barrel quality filter can hold up to extreme use.
Yes but I definitely wouldn't make it a habit lol
the cardboard end caps are not so bad after all. this thing lasted 5x is life expectancy, not bad, I like to see what this engine looks like inside.
I'm sure it wasn't pretty inside of the engine but it didn't make any unusual noises!!
Bought a cash car with 225 ,000 miles on it 06 Nissan Altima. It needed valve work. It looked new inside . Couldn't believe it. In the 60s if you bought a used car with 225,000 miles on it it probably needed more than valve work. You probably needed to open up the top wash everything down into the oil pan then remove the oil pan and clean it. If the oil filter looked like it had been on a long time it was probably deteriorating.
Nice video
Thank you Nate Dawg
Nice long stress test! Good to see. Note that the current Fram Force or ExtraGaurd "PH" series oil filters do NOT use silicone ADBV valves. If you look at one, if it is black, that is the inferior nitrile rubber. You really want silicone ADBV, as this video proves, silicone stays flexible with age, and cold too. I prefer Fram Ultra from walmart, you really can't do better than that for filtering and longevity. Amsoil EAO series are also great but hard to get (online sales only). MicroGard Select (must say "Select", not their cheaper one) is also a good choice, very clean inside (no glue strewn everywhere like many oil filters). Also, Purolator & Motorcraft have a BAD reputation for getting holes in the filtering media, so avoid them.
Great information!!
According to 2023 Fram site. These filters now include silicone ADBV
I use Fram TG & Super Tech blend, no problem.
Great 3-5k combination!!
There must be a lot of sludge in the engine of the vehicle that this oil filter came out of. 26,000 miles is way too long between oil changes. The owner of this vehicle should add a quart of Marvel Mystery Oil to the crankcase to clean out the sludge. If they did use MMO, I would think the oil would turn black within several hundred miles.
That's why I would do too but believe it or not the truck is still running strong and no unusual sounds from it the last time I've seen it!!
I going to use the fram endurance filter next change.
Should be a good choice!!
Decent shape for that type of abuse....frams are good filters esp their ultras
Yes l, seems like it did well!!
The cheapest made filters, people fell for the bright orange😄. Much better-built filters for the same price if not less (supertech?)😉
I would say that supertech is a better made filter!!
@@uglyhandgarage2927 there ya go! 👍
Yeah but, at what point did it stop filtering oil?
You're right.... I'd definitely not recommend running it to that point
If this video doesn’t put the “FRAM falls apart in the can” myth to bed I don’t know what will. Only time I’ve ever seen it is when people block or modify the bypass valve on GM engines after a rebuild. Two FRAM XG’s have been thoroughly documented for the ADBV tearing and getting sucked into the engine and FRAM paid for both cars to have new engines installed.
I was impressed with how well it held up.... I can promise that that ADV wasn't close to tearing.
Thank you Tee Mack
I really enjoy your voice. Are you from the west Bank in New Orleans or the Harvey area? Anyway, great video buddy.
Changed my oil last week. Gonna change it now again i guess.
Why is that?
@@uglyhandgarage2927 i am worried my oil filter is gonna end up like that lol
Oh lol... Honestly I see nothing wrong with using that filter for a 3-5k cycle.... It held up for over 20k miles so it's not that bad 😂
That looks more like a counter fit FRAM.. should look more than original then the current HD crap filter.
That is a standard bare bones fram filter!!
Do you have a particular brand filter and motor oil that you provide when you service your customers' vehicles?
I honestly don't stick to certain brands, I always use a full synthetic that is API certified and is also Dexso certified. As far as filters I mostly use ACDelco and Motorcraft along with K&n and supertech... That given my favorite oil would be Pennzoil platinum and filter is Purolator Boss !!!
@@uglyhandgarage2927 Thanks for responding. I enjoy your videos.
@@garrettlindgren4626 thank you friend!!
@@uglyhandgarage2927 I use that combo of Pennzoil Ultra Platinum full synthetic with the Purolator Boss filter during the wintertime. Because I do my own oil changes, wintertime is too cold (I live in Indy) and I might have to go 4 months with an OCI of close to 10K miles. I need an oil and filter that can handle the extreme temps.
@@carlovanrijk4039 that sounds like a very good system, it should do well for you!!!
Why anybody would use a filter rated for 5 000 miles & wait until 26 000 miles, is beyond comprehension. It’s actually looking for trouble $$$$$
We know that thing was bypassing half the time after 10k miles. Lol
Good possibility!!
Im a purolator man.i only use purolator sense i was sixteen.
Great choice
Waaay to long on a oil change me personally I change mine every 3 thousand but I also drive a 95 f150 but I got 327,500 miles on it too. Preventive maintance goes a long way.
I agree!!!
I see some comments on here people saying 'it held up'. What does that mean? The filter was in bypass for 16,000-18,000 miles and that's supposed to be 'acceptable? Even Fram states that cheap filter is only good to 10K miles. That's twice what in reality it's capable of. It's cellulose media and probably fairly compromised. Without an oil analysis, which would be scary, or looking at it under a scope this doesn't really prove anything except this filter was dead a LOOOONG time ago.
His truck is still running with well over 200k and has always had similar oil changes... Something is working!!
@@uglyhandgarage2927 Says it all taking his truck to WM for an oil change. Some people care about their equipment and some people just drive it (into the ground). Maybe you should call Fram and see what they think about using that filter for 26K miles. Don't know any oil that would last that long in a worn out engine. Would like to see the inside of the engine. Just because it's 'working' doesn't mean it's working well. Even the premium Fram Ultra is a 20K mile filter for around $5 more. What's the point of saving $40 by buying cheap filters over 200K miles? That's pretty stingy.
@@vincemajestyk9497 thank you for your input.. I was just showing you the inside of a high mileage filter, hope you enjoyed your view!!
@@uglyhandgarage2927 Understood, Thanks for the video, it was interesting to see. Lots of variables. That guy should have at least got the Ultra for those change intervals. Might have used a lot of make up oil if it's a leaker or a burner. Good to see the results but I'd still never use one. I did use a TON of those in the '80's for 3K changes. That was in the 'Bendix-Autolite' ownership days. Never took one apart then.
i wish i could show u a pix of my AMSOIL filter w/ 23,671 miles on it, in 3 years, 2 months & 2 days... using AMSOIL Signature Series 0w20, in my '16 lexus nx200t... showed it 2 a mechanic who thought i could put it back in... LOL, he was only kidding... butt it did look just a little coloured... yes i do use & sell AMSOIL...
good job, nice 2 see sum1 cut them apart...
The new Fram Endurance filter at Walmart is the same exact filter as the Amsoil filter for a little over $12.... The irony of Fram making Amsoil filters 😂
26,000 miles holy shit talk about extended oil changes 41,000 km
No doubt lol
Long time between oil changes 😆
Absolutely 😂
I don't think 26,000 miles with a Fram Extra guard is to healthy for an engine. 😅
Not at all lol
Lol my oil is black after 5k I would never
I don't blame you 🤣
U do know the high mileage is meant for the engine hours not the length u use it!
Are you sure?
No 318 used in a 2011 ram.
310 ... Thank you for the correction
Wouldn’t run that cheap oil filter over 3k miles on my work car
I wouldn't either but it's nice to know that it held up!!
My guess is youre in south Louisiana 🙂
Born and raised!!
26000 miles? Holy crap! So much for the orange can of death label some apply to a Fram
It did well!!
I'm surprised you don't protect your work area with some cardboard, or paper towels ;-)
It's just a few wood planks used as a bench top, nothing really to protect.
Excellent filter for $8.74 . I purchased a used Corolla and the oil and filter was changed 40 thousand k's ago and it leaked oil from seal and is two times heavier than new filter.😊😊
Dang!!!
I rather get a better filter with metal end caps, why risk my engine.
Christ is the ONLY WAY to heaven.
Does he keep an orange Fram filter from failing after 26,000 miles?
@larrys4618 I'm not sure how well it was still filtering but it didn't fall apart lol
i dont plan on torture testing mine so I think ill be fine
Absolutely.. 5k no prob