I'm cackling. My undergrad used to send freshmen who were being rude in shop to look for the "board-stretcher." Had a whole bit that could keep them walking around campus for a good hour
We used wooden dowels long before we used nails. Nails use to be really expensive. There's buildings standing today that were built 1000 years ago with wooden dowels and not nails
japan used to build exclusively without nails or even dowels they would just interlock the wood and their castles/shrines and what not built this way are still standing
He said it can't be used in those applications, but it's a matter of time. These wooden nails aren't made out of the hardest timber out there and maybe if we used bamboo to make the nails they'd serve what they can't serve right now. Hell we could even go ahead and make these nails out of recycled paper which is still wood and get the price down.
Id like to sell you this .22 hunt some dinner, but it will not protect you against larger game. Don't be a dumb dumb. And why are you framing this house with a finish nailer and caulk?
Never actually built anything huh? Wood screws aren't gonna be used universally, ever. It's not possible, necessary, or desirable. But they are amazing for woodworking@@BrayanCarmona-kr7vt
When I was a kid I went to a trade show with my dad where there was a guy demonstrating a ratchet driven hand pruner. He had a bunch of sections of twigs and small branches for people to test it out. I picked up the thickest section of branch he had an was just about to give it a go when he stopped me and told me that was beyond it's maximum cut capability. My dad was so impressed with the guy's honesty he bought one. He still has it 40 years later, even though the ratchet mechanism wore out ages ago.
The fact he mentioned it’s limitations, and that it is application specific is just quality salesmanship. He knows the product and knows a touch of honesty goes way farther for sales. I love that he even tries to explain a bit on the bonding process, either he’s got a really good script, or, more likely he genuinely likes the product and the cool bonding process it does.
At first I was a bit suspicious because these nails wouldn’t be used for very high shear force applications, but then the salesman comes right out and states that, so props to him, seems like a really cool product
Actually, I'm not so sure that these couldn't actually be fairly good against shear forces too. I'd love to see some real testing to find out how they actually perform compared to other kinds of fasteners against different types of stresses... It might actually be better than you think. But I do love the fact that he just comes out and says basically "look, I'm not claiming they're gonna completely replace nails for every possible application, but there are a bunch of areas where they have a lot of potential." I'm not even a big woodworker, and I don't even know what I'd use them for, but I kinda want to buy some just because of his honest approach, frankly.
@@foogod4237 Saunas i would is one application, instead of working to make hidden metal fastening. Deckings that are not heavily loaded but need to look pretty. Not as nice a hidden fasteners, but probably faster and cheaper.
I thought basically the same thing, like oh here we go, he's going to say it's a wonder nail or something, but then he actually sells the product properly, stating it's more of a specialty product than a replace of the every day nail. I can get behind that...
The whole point of a nail is to bind two things together that need some flex in the joint. These go entirely against that and are intended to bind things rigidly. It's advertised as a nail, but its application is situations where you'd use a screw. Considering they don't compare it to screws, its true counterpart, it most likely isn't actually all that great.
To anyone who's curious, these are called Lignoloc Nails, the company, Beck Fasteners, is based in Austria. The catch is that is requires a specialized pneumatic tool, but if that's not a problem for you, they're actually pretty reasonable.
In asia we have premium traditional furniture made of wooden nails, I have my dining chairs and table (13 years old) with nails of wood so it's a pretty common here
No fast talking, unfair comparisons, and an innovative new way to take advantage of an older technology. Absolutely beautiful. I wasn’t even listening to the salesman that well. I was picturing how many different ways that i could use his product.
Yeah absolutely hate the " compared the the name brands that were not gonna name but hea ily hint at our stuff is miles ahead". Just tell us what your product can do and we'll see if we like it.
@@karelenhenkie666All I heard him say is hpw it works and that it's not going to replace regular nails. Knowing how it works allows us to decide what applications we might want to use it for.
Nails are meant to bend and give way. That's what they're designed for. Remember, screws keep things from settling. Nails allow things to settle. I learned that from that last carpenter on here. I myself have no actual idea what I'm talking about, like most of you.
If you’ve ever built something with dowels you know the value. I built a bunk bed with dowels and that thing is absolutely solid. Feels like it was carved out of a single piece of wood.
I had to take the top of an old plywood topped table cos I wanted the base for something - It has 4 dowels into beach frames on each side, they had glued them properly OMG I was pounding on it with a 2x4 and a lump hammer for ages. Eventually i cracked a gap and could get a pad saw in to cut them. Nails or screws would have been 10 X easier to get out
@@aj200415 those plastic brads exist for that issue but yeah I think this could be a more robust method when you need greater pull out strength and side load stiffness. But at the same time seems like it would be much more annoying to break down. Gotta cut them out, maybe?
@@aj200415think hes talking cnc wood router. Had to ponder that one as well. Those guys have a wood bed and will usually shoot brads in to hold it in place. Wrong zero = broken cutter. These must be pretty hard though so not sure
@@mattheww2647They don't need to be hard. Dowel joinery is actually already plenty strong, and this is just a different iteration of that, but with the added benefit of welding the wood together. As long as a strong enough wood is chosen there's no need for it to be hard enough to damage tools. 😊
I once read that Japanese wood work uses wood connections also. The structures last much longer and are stronger than metal connection points. This is a cool invention.
Not necessarily stronger than metal connections, proper workmanship and maintenance is the key to longlasting buildings. Iron nails will rust, but stainless won't rust.
I've seen these used in Swiss, German & Austrian construction. What these nails give you is an oxide free fastener that will last as long as the wood parts of the assembly. Very much an eco friendly option with traditional building philosophy in mind. Similar to mortise & tenon concepts with pegging.
I hadnt thought of that yet. I wonder if they could impregnate it with copper napthenate for truly weather-proof and concrete/dirt contact applications.
Bonding strength is where these shine. They don’t come anywhere near the sheer strength of a steel nail and that’s exactly what his application caution was about. Very cool product.
@@donalddrane2795 Let me postulate for a bit. So theoretically, wood fibers are going to have a better shear than nails in the long run. Wood fibers don't deflect very far under load so far as the grain runs the length of the two mounting points. After glue is introduced and soaked into the fibers, that board is reinforced even further, holds better, and deflects less. It also stymies rot in the wood, as mold and spores are unable to reach the organic fibers to degrade them. This option would seem quite solid. But what about the nail? Steel and steel compounds are able to deflect more often without stressing. The amount of give that they have makes sense in a case where you need to build something that lasts a long time and sees constant load, such as a car, table, or bridge. However, there are a few inherent issues with metals. Work hardening, heat expansion, rust, and even the shape of the nail can be huge issues in the application. If the nail bends too much, it will snap. If it's in wood during a hot season, it will cause the hole to expand and the nail to slowly creep out. If the wood is exposed to moisture for long enough, the nail will rust and expand, and perhaps this will hold it in better for a bit, but the nail will ultimately rust through and snap. Lastly, wire nails have very little surface actually grabbing onto and holding the wood, so slipping out is a very real possibility at high loads. Older nails and even square nails have barbs that used to grab onto the fibers, making it difficult for them to sneak out, but from what I've seen, nails nowadays are smooth as a lake during a winter deepfreeze, and some places like pallette companies are trying to make up for that by adding copper wire along its length. So if it were me... 🤔 As long as the melting point of the glue was higher than max external temps, I might trust the tensile strength of the wood fibers more than your average wire nail. There are several more reasons, but this comment is very long and I've been on the lou so long that I'm getting a bit soggy, so I suppose I'll cap it.
@@yoeyyoey8937 i paint every day. i build doors and window frames every day. it could be in 1000 small pieces and after i glue it back together it would look like its one piece after i painted it thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
Sounds like it’d be good for anything that’s gonna be out in the weather. Wood expands and contracts with heat and moisture more than metal, which causes nails to become loosened; especially in humid environments. Basically anywhere you’d use a dowel this’d be great. Bird houses, pirogues, porches/decks, bat boxes, deer stands, duck blinds, et cetera.
Wouldn’t the fact that it expands in moisture, in addition to the wood around it make it a tighter fit? And I’m pretty sure metal expands and contracts more in response to changes in temperature.
That's what galvanized ring nails are for. That's what we used when I worked construction, and I've done some demolition where people have used ring nails. You're breaking the heads off the nails If you try pulling them out, so it's quicker to use a "nail embedded wood" blade and cut through everything when it's safe to do that.
@@connorm3436 No, wood expands to an almost dramatic amount compared to steel. Not to mention moisture would just rot the nail away, not allow it to expand with the material.
I think the main disadvantage of wood nails is probably (I say with zero access for testing, so take this with a whole wheelbarrow of salt) is that they'd have less sheer strength than steel nails. Their tensile strength is probably fine, since wood generally has very high tensile strength, and he was demonstrating that the tensile strength of the bond is higher than that of a steel nail, and the fact that their compressive strength is lower than steel is actually a good thing, because they'll compress with the wood and not end up sticking out and creating a weak point, but the sheer strength of a thin piece of wood isn't very high. These are probably a little better than a dowel, which are often good enough, but in general I'd imagine the utility per application depends on how much force is likely to be exerted across the nails. Anything where all forces will be parallel to the nail or the force across isn't very high are probably applications where these would be ideal.
Even without the lignin, in the long run it would be a better option than standard metal nails. 1. Expansion and contraction factor, 2. Eventually metal nails degrade or rust, which causes rot in the wood and you can't treat metal the same way as wood. 3. Similar molecules bind better together, for example, when you get a bolt that rust welds itself in place. Same idea with wood and other materials.
Nah. It's still going to be application specific. As he said. He quotes the high force required to pull apart two plates that were 'nailed' together with these. I imagine what he did not say is that it's (probably, IMO) much worse at lateral force application (so trying to shear these plates if I remember the english term correctly). Wood is highly anisotropic in its behavior, because of the fiber structure.
@@9SMTM6Wouldn’t the solution to that be just adding more wood nails? You can spread the force that would sheer them across an entire row. I get that ultimately a metal nail will always have a higher tolerance when first used, but as mentioned in the video, you don’t have to worry about rotting. It’d be interesting to see how a nail that’s been in long enough to cause rot would hold up to these wood nails after the same amount of time, in terms of sheer strength.
idk about expansion and contraction endgrain and face grain expand and contract differently especially when wet so that would mess some things up also if this is being done for aethetics will the grains even match up? its faster than say using a nail then putting a dowel cover on and certainly faster than dowel pinning definatly a verry niche use case... but im sure whoever will use theese is glad they exist
Part of what definites wood is the fact it has lignin. Plant cells fundamentally build lignin into their cell walls, usually as a minor component and less so in mosses or other bryophytes. But that lignin gives plants the strength to grow upright, which is why mosses and other bryophytes grow in balls or carpet rock, soil, and bark. Without it - it's just to put it simply cellulose and plant juice...
Amateur woodworker here. Wood on wood joints have been proven to last much longer then any other. I see this as nice finishing and long lasting. Good invention.
The important part is the lignin bonding will be sealing off any air or water. This'll stop rotting in the wood from nails allowing wet and airaited conditions for all the different organisms that cause rot. You do get a similar effect from properly treating the wood. It'll work best in outdoor settings for stuff that doest necessarily need to withstand shearing forces.
@@The3nd187 like the ones shown? Europeans have also used wooden nails for centuries at this point, but theyre 1x1cm thick. You cant drive those in with a nailgun. Heck its not even a real nail, more like a dowel or a wedge.
If your building furniture or cabinets you already have glue on hand. Most any wood shop will have a plug cutting bit to use in a drill press as they only cost 5 bucks and you can cut your own plugs from the same species of wood so they match. Plus those wooden nails look to large in diameter to be used in most applications. It's rare to use or need a framing nail gun in building furniture or cabinets... most wood shops don't even have that large of a gun.
Fun fact this was originally invented by vampire hunters in the early 1600s. The ends had a blasting cap placed on them. This modern version is used for more stealthy hunting, the original was so loud it would often scare off the nests of vampires and you would only get a few kills in a given hunt. Now with this modern application vampires are almost extinct.
@@littlewigglemonster7691 Its lignin resin, so essentially as it softens, it bonds with the fibers of the wood merging the nailed pieces together. As he said, it's called lignin welding.
My grandpa was a carpenter and he only built with wood, hand carved and wooden dowels. He didn’t have an air gun either he used a hammer. They don’t make quality like that any more. Everything he built his house, wooden porch swings, writing desks for all 13 grandkids are still solid
Some people might think that the wooden nails will rot on an exterior application, but this will not be a problem. Because it is impregnated with the lignen, that will seal the wood nails and protect them from moisture. Being melted into the boards it will provide a seal and keep water out of the nail hole. I'm sure it will be limited on shear strength, so it's not a good choice where you have a lot of shear forces. Decking and wood siding would be ideal choices, along with some furniture applications.
A new construction owner demanded his sub floor be screwed in after the required nailing was done. The contractor did what was asked. The reason that the client wanted this is that he did not want his floor to squeak two years down the line. On boats there is a problem with salt water and different types of metal fasteners and sea water. Mixing Bronze and Stainless steel on the hull is a big no-no for below water line.
Aren't all the metal fasteners kind of crap in shear anyway? I'm no mechanical engineer, but I get the impression that shear strength largely comes from friction between the base material surfaces.
Cool! Here’s a thought: wood expands and contracts with humidity. Metal nails don’t. The expansion would loosen up those nails over time which leads to re-nailing again or splitting. If you have wooden nails, in theory it would expand & contract with the boards with hopefully none of those issues. This is genius when you think about it. Of course this is just theory. I wonder if using with differing wood densities (birch nails with, say, pine boards) could become a problem there? Is this something that people experience when using dowels in their projects? I’m very curious.
@@toejamr1yeah I’m definitely not going to live in that popsicle stick house!! I’d sit in a chair that’s at a table made with these fasteners for sure. Pretty much anything at that risk level.
It's 100% cost, metal nails are among the cheapest machinemade thing that humans make. Wooden nails that have gone through multiple processes after being made, itself much more expensive than steel nails, that's simply going to make them maybe 10 - 50x more expensive? Strength wise it's going to be as strong as anything made with regular steel nails. Stronger in fact, substantially so it seems.
Idk how well many smaller pieces of hardwood would deal with it. If you are using construction lumber, softwoods and plywood, probably would be fine. I'm just imagining shooting one through a chair rail and it exploding into your hand
If this would work for decking boards it would be fantastic as an alternative to top nailing, I know Camo hidden screw system and other side clamping with a bracket system exist and do a very good job in many applications. However here in the northwest, (i.e. Seattle, WA) for decks utilizing long 5/4 x 6” sections 12’ - 16’ the the movement of the boards from getting wet and drying out, seasonal temperature change, homeowner neglect and original install factors like how much tweaking the board needed to get pulled in line lead to to nail heads popping up, loose boards and often don’t work well for hidden fastener systems. NOT TO MENTION Anyone who has ever had to repair, refinish or replace a deck knows screwed in decks are HELL. My life would be wonderful if decks could be held in place with a system like this! For me the look and feel of a real cedar deck far outweighs the functional low maintenance aspect of composite decking but that’s just me and I know not everyone else feels the same.
@@-Kreger- the lignin resin might prevent rot, or atleast slow it down to the point that you would be replacing the deck anyway when the nails are rotting. also, water sealents might work slightly better because they dont risk not sticking to the nail and chipping.
The salesman mentions decking as an application, so I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use them in that scenario? He even mentions how secure of a bond it makes so I'd imagine they'd be just as good if not better than screws and you wouldn't have to worry about them coming loose with weathering!
Beech is suuuuper dense. I wouldn't worry about the nail at all, def not over the kind of wood you laid down. I'm also on puget sound and I'm a builder, so my assumption is you've lain composite or cedar, which, it seems, you are very clear to how it acts. Ring shank nails are code, if you're going to nail. Those hidden, slim trex #15 torx or #1 squarehead screws work well, unless you're trying to remove them, then, good luck. They have threading alongside the shank in both direction to nearly cement them down, and you don't have to predrill. You could also use 2x6s instead on five quarters for a more solid build, especially if you're close to the water at all or if your deck is of concernable height. As far as the nail, "lignon welding" sounds quite fanciful and color me extremely skeptic. If it sounds to good to be true it prob is. The lignon resin also sounds like horseshit. The lignon in wood makes up the capillary tubes in the cambium, allowing the movement of water. It's the little dots in oak, except for a type of wood, oaks lignon are huge. I doubt everything homeboy says, but I have sharpened purpleheart 1x6's into stakes and hammered them into a tree to make a spiral staircase for my cat to give her a new perch and it was skookum as fuck, I could walk up them, so it CAN be done.
During the Colonial period, iron nails were hard to manufacture and expensive to buy, so most construction was done with wooden pegs in pre-cut holes slightly smaller than the pegs. Old, ruined houses were often burned to the ground just so the iron nails could be collected and reused or resold.
@@killerkraut9179 I have a piece of an 1880s-built shipwreck (an old barque converted to a coal hauler) and the gunwhales and decking were held together with tapered oak pegs that outlived many of the oak and fir beams
@@kevslow I'm guessing, but iron nails probably don't do well against salt water, so I can see them using wood for joinery where they can, though they still used nails to make ships. Perhaps more in the dry indoor parts though.
Honestly the first thing that popped in my mind to use this for was bats. I know they have ways of using different timbers now but this seems perfect for that. Maybe someone who specializes in making bats could use other types besides ash and bitch using wooden nails.
Absolutely brilliant. I'd be curious to see a side-by-side stress test between these nails and standard metal ones, with forces applied in different ways (shearing, tension, etc). Might give a better look at what kind of stuff these could hold up to, and thus hint at further use cases. Imagine using this for framing in residential construction; could be some pretty wild implementations in everyday life :)
It makes sense. Historically, long thorns have been used as nails In areas where There was limited/no access to iron nails. Especially hardwood thorned species like mesquite and locust.
The ones I looked up worked out to be about 0.12 to 0.15 per nail. Seems like it needs a special nail gun that runs 5-600 too Edit: apparently I was looking at the cheap stuff, there's a separate one that's like 800 and shoots .30 nails
@@Trevski13 Thank you for this data 800 for a pneumatic nail gun which shoots beech dowels. I will not call that a nail, at this time...ugh, Ok, a beech nail. I concede. Beech nail. Ok?
The perpendicular for is being resisted by the friction of the 2 items if they are tight. 2 plywoods stacked hold not onky on the nail but thefriction between them caused by the nail
Honestly, I don't see why these wouldn't hold up just as well to shear forces as a lot of nails would. Shear force applied to a perpendicular fastener is manifested primarily as compressive force, and the weakest point for that with a metal nail is actually the surrounding wood, not the nail. These should perform at least as well as the surrounding wood in that regard, so would effectively be no different than a nail in that scenario. (Plus, if one is anticipating significant shear force, the two pieces really should be glued together anyway, in which case the much larger glued surface will be taking most of the shear force, not the fasteners.) It would be really interesting to see some actual testing done on this sort of thing, though...
This should be industry standard. Renewable materials for large scale small projects like homes keeps it cheap and clean. Makes more sense to grow your home than chisel it out of stone
Most screw don't like shear force but they are fine if not getting tons of winds or the home build rock solid. Then there screw that are design to take shear force. Nails are for framing because it's fast and bends with the flow well screw are for holding things down be it siding or decking.
@@jonny-b4954 pretty much any screw that's not a drywall or bargain bin screw will take shear load. The tiny cabinet screws take pretty much nothing but shear load.
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it was genius of them to impregnate the wood with a ligma based resin!
Nice. Prevents repair
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“It’s not for framing or sheathing but lots of applications.” OK what?
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Are we all missing the endless vampire applications of such a nail gun?
omg ur right
So you’re saying we can finally go after Wesley snipes?
@@MrDsturmanhaha
Wait a minute! You're on to something
Modern coven hunting kit, garlic pepper spray, holy water balloons, flashlight with a crucifix stencil, bible readings on ipod
Dude who ever invented these spent a lifetime looking for the "wood" nails he was sent for as an apprentice 😂
he spent the last 20 years saying, I'll show them, I'll show them all
I'm cackling. My undergrad used to send freshmen who were being rude in shop to look for the "board-stretcher." Had a whole bit that could keep them walking around campus for a good hour
Wood nails are a thing bro
I am ordering some. When I tell the apprentice to grab me the wood nails and he tells me they don't exist he will be in for a surprise
I'm not familiar with this one. Is it meant to be wood nails (nails for wood), or wooden nails (nails made out of wood)?
you had me at ‘impregnated’
Spat out my drink.
Impregnated with lignin as well
Same
@soupyvibes6170 almost as good as ligma
Bro said “👀👉👌 impregnated”
We used wooden dowels long before we used nails. Nails use to be really expensive. There's buildings standing today that were built 1000 years ago with wooden dowels and not nails
The Amish still use them for their pole barns framing and nails for the rest.
@@rispatha they know how to build to last, respect
Dowels aren't wooden nails. It's for joining not securing. cool story tho
@@Sniperdaddy420 for real, what a crazy idea that before we could mass produce nails we didnt use them as much?
japan used to build exclusively without nails or even dowels they would just interlock the wood and their castles/shrines and what not built this way are still standing
I like that he didnt over-sell it. Straight up tells you what it CAN'T.
He said it can't be used in those applications, but it's a matter of time. These wooden nails aren't made out of the hardest timber out there and maybe if we used bamboo to make the nails they'd serve what they can't serve right now. Hell we could even go ahead and make these nails out of recycled paper which is still wood and get the price down.
You the guy that installed my basebord with a framing gun?
Id like to sell you this .22 hunt some dinner, but it will not protect you against larger game.
Don't be a dumb dumb.
And why are you framing this house with a finish nailer and caulk?
Never actually built anything huh? Wood screws aren't gonna be used universally, ever. It's not possible, necessary, or desirable. But they are amazing for woodworking@@BrayanCarmona-kr7vt
When I was a kid I went to a trade show with my dad where there was a guy demonstrating a ratchet driven hand pruner. He had a bunch of sections of twigs and small branches for people to test it out. I picked up the thickest section of branch he had an was just about to give it a go when he stopped me and told me that was beyond it's maximum cut capability. My dad was so impressed with the guy's honesty he bought one. He still has it 40 years later, even though the ratchet mechanism wore out ages ago.
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Was thinking the same thing
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"Would you use a wooden nail?" Yes, i wood.
Like the word usage. 😂 I guess you knew I wood. Double drum snare 🎶
The fact he mentioned it’s limitations, and that it is application specific is just quality salesmanship. He knows the product and knows a touch of honesty goes way farther for sales.
I love that he even tries to explain a bit on the bonding process, either he’s got a really good script, or, more likely he genuinely likes the product and the cool bonding process it does.
At first I was a bit suspicious because these nails wouldn’t be used for very high shear force applications, but then the salesman comes right out and states that, so props to him, seems like a really cool product
Actually, I'm not so sure that these couldn't actually be fairly good against shear forces too. I'd love to see some real testing to find out how they actually perform compared to other kinds of fasteners against different types of stresses... It might actually be better than you think.
But I do love the fact that he just comes out and says basically "look, I'm not claiming they're gonna completely replace nails for every possible application, but there are a bunch of areas where they have a lot of potential." I'm not even a big woodworker, and I don't even know what I'd use them for, but I kinda want to buy some just because of his honest approach, frankly.
Shear isn't pullout strength
@@foogod4237 Saunas i would is one application, instead of working to make hidden metal fastening. Deckings that are not heavily loaded but need to look pretty. Not as nice a hidden fasteners, but probably faster and cheaper.
@@foogod4237 Also I guess if you simply use more and maybe change the design of whatever you build disperses the forces better.
I thought basically the same thing, like oh here we go, he's going to say it's a wonder nail or something, but then he actually sells the product properly, stating it's more of a specialty product than a replace of the every day nail. I can get behind that...
“Decking, Siding, killing vampires, the works!”
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100% effective against zombies as well. Isn’t technology magical?
Next up, still in development, silver impregnated shanks... for those pesky werewolves.
When he removed the coupling out of the frame, I thought he killed a vampire! 😅
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thats wild, they impregnated wood and then nailed it and gave it a huge pull out strength
he creamed himself when he heard the fibers are bonded together haha
The best part of this video is when he openly says that it won't be appropriate for all applications, showing that he's not out to scam people.
Works for everything. Cell phone repair, hairplugs, loose stool!
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That needed to be said because it may not work great at any application but better on just some. But none great
Well yeah, they bond to wood using friction so they only really work with wood
I wish they would have talked about cost.
pretty sure he's just teeing up for the inevitable "How much?" STICKER SHOCK ~ ~ ~ Well, Sir, this is not for every cheap bastard.
I hope these can work for things that often get discarded, like wood pallets, so there's no risk of an old nail hurting someone.
Pallets would definitely be one of those applications it would be terrible for. Worse than framing since a pallet's joints flex constantly.
The whole point of a nail is to bind two things together that need some flex in the joint. These go entirely against that and are intended to bind things rigidly.
It's advertised as a nail, but its application is situations where you'd use a screw. Considering they don't compare it to screws, its true counterpart, it most likely isn't actually all that great.
Oh hell yeah. So many rusty nails scrapes in my past
Just wrap yourself in bubble wrap dude lol 😅
The nails will bond but i don't think they will do well with pallets mate. I can't imagine they'd handle those sorts of loads.
I'm really glad he said not to use them for framing because trades like electricians and plumbers regularly have to take out studs
To anyone who's curious, these are called Lignoloc Nails, the company, Beck Fasteners, is based in Austria. The catch is that is requires a specialized pneumatic tool, but if that's not a problem for you, they're actually pretty reasonable.
I like that he admits it’s application driven and not trying to over sell a product.
Whatever does application driven mean?
@@rustyshackleford634 it mean it’s used only for very specific scenarios, it EXCELS in those scenarios.
@@rustyshackleford634application driven means it needs its social media apps to find the drive, or motivation to work for you. Much like a child.
In asia we have premium traditional furniture made of wooden nails, I have my dining chairs and table (13 years old) with nails of wood so it's a pretty common here
@@cliprimate_EXtinted That is a great example of an application it may excel at.
No fast talking, unfair comparisons, and an innovative new way to take advantage of an older technology. Absolutely beautiful. I wasn’t even listening to the salesman that well. I was picturing how many different ways that i could use his product.
Yeah absolutely hate the " compared the the name brands that were not gonna name but hea ily hint at our stuff is miles ahead". Just tell us what your product can do and we'll see if we like it.
@@karelenhenkie666All I heard him say is hpw it works and that it's not going to replace regular nails. Knowing how it works allows us to decide what applications we might want to use it for.
@roscosnyder3584 yeah thats what we were talking about, this guy did it right. I was comparing him to the many other company's who don't do that.
@@karelenhenkie666 OK, I see.
Exactly, the only comparison was to a universal nail, not a specific brand. Plus the only conparison is something testable. Good on him
I can see how wood nails would be less likely to have hot cold shrinking with other wood material like normal metal would.
Like how the dude wasn't overselling it and was stressing application. Makes it seem like a legitimate fastener
I love salesmen who are straight up. I would say mire confidence man. You got a good product. Honest.
Indeed. Conjunction wood building to support another and pegs used has been around a long time, nice to see it modernized
Seems like he's got plenty of confidence. He's just soft spoken.
Mere?
he's got plenty, he's just selling u a nail
How much wood would a wood nail hold if a wood nail would hold wood?
How much wood would a nailgun nail if a nailgun would nail wood?
A wood nail would nail no amount of wood since a wood nail can't nail wood.
As much wood as a wood nail would nail if a wood nail could nail wood.
Wood nail, nail wood, wood, wood, nail wood, wood nail, nail, wood, wood!
I know this one😊
Wooden nails used to be the thing to use.. And the barns built were way stronger than todays.
Lots of applications that no one's ever thought of
Right isnt that true about everything
The same for a dowel or wooden rod woodworking...
Does this mean you can construct things and then just sawzall them apart and you'll have perfect timbers again?
Oooh, interesting idea. Can they join pallets with this stuff so people don't have to pull out nails?
sawzall???
@@decker9911hg reciprocating saw
@@DrewWilson192 that makes a lot more sense
@@DrewWilson192 most people understand what you mean when you saw sawzall... only the arrogant say "sawzall?" and look at you like a confused dog
"So... What do you do for work?"
"I'm a wood welder"
Wait till you look up wood welder. Tregarne makes one. Instant Set time for wood glue.
@@kevinmatthews9207 By those standards a TIG is just a hot glue gun for metal.
@@kingterry6045 well it kinda is....
Aww man I impregnate wood from 7-4 5 days a week
Snore...zzz....snore
Nails are meant to bend and give way. That's what they're designed for.
Remember, screws keep things from settling. Nails allow things to settle. I learned that from that last carpenter on here. I myself have no actual idea what I'm talking about, like most of you.
Maybe don't talk then.
@@horvathbenedek3596exacty
Turns out the customer deeply respects honesty, comments are positive for it.
If you’ve ever built something with dowels you know the value. I built a bunk bed with dowels and that thing is absolutely solid. Feels like it was carved out of a single piece of wood.
Not going to lie, I saw the video title and thought “Wait, isn’t that just a dowel?” 😅
A dowel that can be deployed with a nail gun, cool.
@@corvidaegudmund1186Yeah if a dowel could punch its own hole and embed itself in a piece of wood…lol
@@greatslambinoThis... lol
I had to take the top of an old plywood topped table cos I wanted the base for something - It has 4 dowels into beach frames on each side, they had glued them properly OMG I was pounding on it with a 2x4 and a lump hammer for ages.
Eventually i cracked a gap and could get a pad saw in to cut them.
Nails or screws would have been 10 X easier to get out
The CNC guy might like this a great way to hold down flat stock without the risk of tool damage.
Was this sarcasm or for real? I genuinely can’t tell lol. Sorry if not, as I also think this would be a good idea for this exact issue lol
@@aj200415 those plastic brads exist for that issue but yeah I think this could be a more robust method when you need greater pull out strength and side load stiffness. But at the same time seems like it would be much more annoying to break down. Gotta cut them out, maybe?
@@aj200415think hes talking cnc wood router. Had to ponder that one as well. Those guys have a wood bed and will usually shoot brads in to hold it in place. Wrong zero = broken cutter. These must be pretty hard though so not sure
@@mattheww2647They don't need to be hard. Dowel joinery is actually already plenty strong, and this is just a different iteration of that, but with the added benefit of welding the wood together. As long as a strong enough wood is chosen there's no need for it to be hard enough to damage tools. 😊
Oh god your absolutely right.
Nails are made for shear strength - if you have a pull-out force you're using them wrong and you're out of code.
I once read that Japanese wood work uses wood connections also. The structures last much longer and are stronger than metal connection points. This is a cool invention.
Not necessarily stronger than metal connections, proper workmanship and maintenance is the key to longlasting buildings. Iron nails will rust, but stainless won't rust.
I've seen these used in Swiss, German & Austrian construction. What these nails give you is an oxide free fastener that will last as long as the wood parts of the assembly. Very much an eco friendly option with traditional building philosophy in mind. Similar to mortise & tenon concepts with pegging.
I googled concepts with pegging and a whole different wood nail came up
💀💀💀💀💀💀@@12000gp
I hadnt thought of that yet. I wonder if they could impregnate it with copper napthenate for truly weather-proof and concrete/dirt contact applications.
@@12000gp😂
idk about eco friendly. What resin are they soaking these in?
Would eliminate rust staining on decking, as well as nail pop-ups
The wood just rots and acts like it wasn’t there at all. Haha
Dracula been real silent since this product dropped.. XD
Ultimately I am in favor of wooden nails over metal nails. 💯
Bonding strength is where these shine. They don’t come anywhere near the sheer strength of a steel nail and that’s exactly what his application caution was about. Very cool product.
Yeah it's such a cool idea for stuff like decks and face frames
I'm curious what the shear strength is. Seems like that would greatly limit the applications.
@@donalddrane2795 Let me postulate for a bit.
So theoretically, wood fibers are going to have a better shear than nails in the long run. Wood fibers don't deflect very far under load so far as the grain runs the length of the two mounting points.
After glue is introduced and soaked into the fibers, that board is reinforced even further, holds better, and deflects less. It also stymies rot in the wood, as mold and spores are unable to reach the organic fibers to degrade them. This option would seem quite solid.
But what about the nail? Steel and steel compounds are able to deflect more often without stressing. The amount of give that they have makes sense in a case where you need to build something that lasts a long time and sees constant load, such as a car, table, or bridge. However, there are a few inherent issues with metals.
Work hardening, heat expansion, rust, and even the shape of the nail can be huge issues in the application. If the nail bends too much, it will snap. If it's in wood during a hot season, it will cause the hole to expand and the nail to slowly creep out. If the wood is exposed to moisture for long enough, the nail will rust and expand, and perhaps this will hold it in better for a bit, but the nail will ultimately rust through and snap.
Lastly, wire nails have very little surface actually grabbing onto and holding the wood, so slipping out is a very real possibility at high loads. Older nails and even square nails have barbs that used to grab onto the fibers, making it difficult for them to sneak out, but from what I've seen, nails nowadays are smooth as a lake during a winter deepfreeze, and some places like pallette companies are trying to make up for that by adding copper wire along its length.
So if it were me... 🤔 As long as the melting point of the glue was higher than max external temps, I might trust the tensile strength of the wood fibers more than your average wire nail.
There are several more reasons, but this comment is very long and I've been on the lou so long that I'm getting a bit soggy, so I suppose I'll cap it.
Yes, pull out maybe but not shear strenght of a metal nail which is frankly the whole purpose of a framing nail.
@@frikyouall I am an M.E student and I appreciate this comment alot. Good job sir.
Also helpful because it’s much easier to hide under paint if you want something to look flush, I love these
anything can hide under paint
You can also sand it down flush as well.
Ok, what about over time when wood gets wet or humidity changes cause metal nails to be squeezed out?
@@onoybeuhtell me you never painted without telling me you never painted
@@yoeyyoey8937 i paint every day. i build doors and window frames every day. it could be in 1000 small pieces and after i glue it back together it would look like its one piece after i painted it thanks 👍🏻👍🏻
If you didn't know wood nails actually existed for a long time
and the fact that very little people know about them should tell you how horrible they are.
Vampire hunters be stepping into their John Wick era
Sounds like it’d be good for anything that’s gonna be out in the weather. Wood expands and contracts with heat and moisture more than metal, which causes nails to become loosened; especially in humid environments. Basically anywhere you’d use a dowel this’d be great. Bird houses, pirogues, porches/decks, bat boxes, deer stands, duck blinds, et cetera.
Wouldn’t the fact that it expands in moisture, in addition to the wood around it make it a tighter fit? And I’m pretty sure metal expands and contracts more in response to changes in temperature.
That's what galvanized ring nails are for. That's what we used when I worked construction, and I've done some demolition where people have used ring nails. You're breaking the heads off the nails If you try pulling them out, so it's quicker to use a "nail embedded wood" blade and cut through everything when it's safe to do that.
@@connorm3436 No, wood expands to an almost dramatic amount compared to steel. Not to mention moisture would just rot the nail away, not allow it to expand with the material.
I think the main disadvantage of wood nails is probably (I say with zero access for testing, so take this with a whole wheelbarrow of salt) is that they'd have less sheer strength than steel nails. Their tensile strength is probably fine, since wood generally has very high tensile strength, and he was demonstrating that the tensile strength of the bond is higher than that of a steel nail, and the fact that their compressive strength is lower than steel is actually a good thing, because they'll compress with the wood and not end up sticking out and creating a weak point, but the sheer strength of a thin piece of wood isn't very high. These are probably a little better than a dowel, which are often good enough, but in general I'd imagine the utility per application depends on how much force is likely to be exerted across the nails. Anything where all forces will be parallel to the nail or the force across isn't very high are probably applications where these would be ideal.
This would revolutionize the way pallets are made/recycled, not for everything, as he said, but definitely awesome.
Even without the lignin, in the long run it would be a better option than standard metal nails. 1. Expansion and contraction factor, 2. Eventually metal nails degrade or rust, which causes rot in the wood and you can't treat metal the same way as wood. 3. Similar molecules bind better together, for example, when you get a bolt that rust welds itself in place. Same idea with wood and other materials.
Nah. It's still going to be application specific. As he said.
He quotes the high force required to pull apart two plates that were 'nailed' together with these. I imagine what he did not say is that it's (probably, IMO) much worse at lateral force application (so trying to shear these plates if I remember the english term correctly). Wood is highly anisotropic in its behavior, because of the fiber structure.
@@9SMTM6Wouldn’t the solution to that be just adding more wood nails?
You can spread the force that would sheer them across an entire row.
I get that ultimately a metal nail will always have a higher tolerance when first used, but as mentioned in the video, you don’t have to worry about rotting.
It’d be interesting to see how a nail that’s been in long enough to cause rot would hold up to these wood nails after the same amount of time, in terms of sheer strength.
idk about expansion and contraction endgrain and face grain expand and contract differently especially when wet so that would mess some things up
also if this is being done for aethetics will the grains even match up?
its faster than say using a nail then putting a dowel cover on and certainly faster than dowel pinning
definatly a verry niche use case... but im sure whoever will use theese is glad they exist
Think it could hold up as a skate ramp?
Part of what definites wood is the fact it has lignin. Plant cells fundamentally build lignin into their cell walls, usually as a minor component and less so in mosses or other bryophytes. But that lignin gives plants the strength to grow upright, which is why mosses and other bryophytes grow in balls or carpet rock, soil, and bark. Without it - it's just to put it simply cellulose and plant juice...
Love a good sales pitch. Such an overlooked craft
When he said “you’ll never pull these apart because they’re bonded”. I took that as a challenge, I’m sure the guy filming was thinking that as well
Dracula's been real quiet since these dropped
Zzzzz..snore...zzz
Amateur woodworker here. Wood on wood joints have been proven to last much longer then any other. I see this as nice finishing and long lasting. Good invention.
yeah I'm sick of seeing unsightly rusted nails
The important part is the lignin bonding will be sealing off any air or water. This'll stop rotting in the wood from nails allowing wet and airaited conditions for all the different organisms that cause rot. You do get a similar effect from properly treating the wood. It'll work best in outdoor settings for stuff that doest necessarily need to withstand shearing forces.
We got wooden fasteners for wood before GTA 6😂👏
Sheer strength: 0/100
Tensile strength: 100/100
But what uses would you have for a nail with a small head with no sheer strength?
Vintage wooden furniture restorations would be dope
That's what I was thinking
People be like “you need to do ML/AI to be at the cutting edge” and bro comes along and reinvents the nail
You can't spell nail without AI.
@@seigeengine
🤣
@@seigeenginegot'em
"Save the trees?"
"Nah fuck it let's make the nails out of wood too!"
Bro said, “Have you seen my Dracula killing gun?”
You can tell he loves his product and is not a scummy salesman. Also actually a great new idea, makes teardown a lot easier too. Love it!
New idea? Japan has been using wooden nails for hundreds of years
@@The3nd187 like the ones shown? Europeans have also used wooden nails for centuries at this point, but theyre 1x1cm thick. You cant drive those in with a nailgun. Heck its not even a real nail, more like a dowel or a wedge.
I feel like this would be more for the furniture side of woodworking… I love it tho!!! Beats having to buy wood glue and wooden plugs
I was thinking wooden boats. Wooden fasteners would be amazing.
If your building furniture or cabinets you already have glue on hand. Most any wood shop will have a plug cutting bit to use in a drill press as they only cost 5 bucks and you can cut your own plugs from the same species of wood so they match. Plus those wooden nails look to large in diameter to be used in most applications. It's rare to use or need a framing nail gun in building furniture or cabinets... most wood shops don't even have that large of a gun.
If he would have said it could also kill vampires 😂😂😂😂😂that would have been awesome
Screws and bolts are reversible... nails are "permanent" ... Lignin nails are *permanent* .
Saw-able tho. I like this.
Fun fact this was originally invented by vampire hunters in the early 1600s. The ends had a blasting cap placed on them. This modern version is used for more stealthy hunting, the original was so loud it would often scare off the nests of vampires and you would only get a few kills in a given hunt. Now with this modern application vampires are almost extinct.
Or so you like us to think.
Fun fact a wooden stake to the heart doesn't kill just vampires
Ah, I see. So that's the catch, they're trying to offload the overstock and gain a foothold in a new industry.
@@creepyweedle8177 True, but most other things it would kill don't regenerate when you remove the wooden stake. So ... there's that...
I can attest to the efficacy of this tool. I have not seen a vampire in all my life because of how effective it is.
I think this would be good for fences. Helps with the problem with a nail through the shoe from dismantled fencing.
Honestly, this! For every outdoor application. Less rusting metal everywhere. Is the resin sustainable tho?
@@TheWinjin hot sun will soften the resin greatly.
Regular nails in my area turn to rust quickly. Wood nails plus a topcoat would be nice!.
@@littlewigglemonster7691 Its lignin resin, so essentially as it softens, it bonds with the fibers of the wood merging the nailed pieces together. As he said, it's called lignin welding.
If the nail are hard enough to penetrate the wood, they will still penetrate your foot.
"You'll never take this apart" was what I was waiting to hear as soon as he mentioned bonding.
My grandpa was a carpenter and he only built with wood, hand carved and wooden dowels. He didn’t have an air gun either he used a hammer. They don’t make quality like that any more. Everything he built his house, wooden porch swings, writing desks for all 13 grandkids are still solid
Some people might think that the wooden nails will rot on an exterior application, but this will not be a problem. Because it is impregnated with the lignen, that will seal the wood nails and protect them from moisture. Being melted into the boards it will provide a seal and keep water out of the nail hole.
I'm sure it will be limited on shear strength, so it's not a good choice where you have a lot of shear forces. Decking and wood siding would be ideal choices, along with some furniture applications.
A new construction owner demanded his sub floor be screwed in after the required nailing was done. The contractor did what was asked. The reason that the client wanted this is that he did not want his floor to squeak two years down the line. On boats there is a problem with salt water and different types of metal fasteners and sea water. Mixing Bronze and Stainless steel on the hull is a big no-no for below water line.
Aren't all the metal fasteners kind of crap in shear anyway? I'm no mechanical engineer, but I get the impression that shear strength largely comes from friction between the base material surfaces.
@@salvatoreshiggerino6810 framing nails are used because of the sheer strength I think
@@tehfuqizg0inon588framing nails are used in shear because the soft metal will bend and not break like a screw.
One of the better products I’ve seen on these shorts.
He didn't have me until he started talking about welding wood.
Cool! Here’s a thought: wood expands and contracts with humidity. Metal nails don’t. The expansion would loosen up those nails over time which leads to re-nailing again or splitting. If you have wooden nails, in theory it would expand & contract with the boards with hopefully none of those issues. This is genius when you think about it. Of course this is just theory.
I wonder if using with differing wood densities (birch nails with, say, pine boards) could become a problem there? Is this something that people experience when using dowels in their projects? I’m very curious.
I like how he knows it's not going to replace the regular nail.. an honest salesman.
Well, once timber framers catch wind of this they might sell out!
He said it can’t be used for framing. I’d bet the sheer strength isn’t as good as metal and you’d have to get it in the code books if it were.
@@toejamr1yeah I’m definitely not going to live in that popsicle stick house!! I’d sit in a chair that’s at a table made with these fasteners for sure. Pretty much anything at that risk level.
No way framers would pay for that. Also you'll haven to change mags all the time
It's 100% cost, metal nails are among the cheapest machinemade thing that humans make.
Wooden nails that have gone through multiple processes after being made, itself much more expensive than steel nails, that's simply going to make them maybe 10 - 50x more expensive?
Strength wise it's going to be as strong as anything made with regular steel nails. Stronger in fact, substantially so it seems.
@@timt5381 is this strength rating your opinion or do you have results from testing?
the guy widening his eyes every now and then combined with that body language and that "HUH" absolutely had me
I could never be such a calm explainer
Furniture building with that would be awesome. I need to get one for building tables.
I don't think it would work so well with oak.
I was thinking the same thing.
Idk how well many smaller pieces of hardwood would deal with it. If you are using construction lumber, softwoods and plywood, probably would be fine.
I'm just imagining shooting one through a chair rail and it exploding into your hand
@@miles11we might need to drill a small piliot hole slightly smaller than the nail.
@@Reverend_Salem just use dowels or screws at that point
Yes I would use it. Japan has been using "wood nails" to join wood together for 1000 years and their buildings are still standing
i mean, the ones that survived the firebombing
@@kickassgreekDuh
The ones that were built last month
@@loadapish😂😂
@@kickassgreek lololol damn
Wont rust out and will expand if water breaches it, tightening the bond. Some real long term uses if used by a competent carpenter.
This dude could read an instruction manual and I'd probably listen.
If this would work for decking boards it would be fantastic as an alternative to top nailing, I know Camo hidden screw system and other side clamping with a bracket system exist and do a very good job in many applications.
However here in the northwest, (i.e. Seattle, WA) for decks utilizing long 5/4 x 6” sections 12’ - 16’ the the movement of the boards from getting wet and drying out, seasonal temperature change, homeowner neglect and original install factors like how much tweaking the board needed to get pulled in line lead to to nail heads popping up, loose boards and often don’t work well for hidden fastener systems.
NOT TO MENTION Anyone who has ever had to repair, refinish or replace a deck knows screwed in decks are HELL. My life would be wonderful if decks could be held in place with a system like this! For me the look and feel of a real cedar deck far outweighs the functional low maintenance aspect of composite decking but that’s just me and I know not everyone else feels the same.
Hello my fellow seattlite
Wouldn’t the worry in a high moisture area be rot on the wooden nail?
@@-Kreger- the lignin resin might prevent rot, or atleast slow it down to the point that you would be replacing the deck anyway when the nails are rotting.
also, water sealents might work slightly better because they dont risk not sticking to the nail and chipping.
The salesman mentions decking as an application, so I don't see why you wouldn't be able to use them in that scenario? He even mentions how secure of a bond it makes so I'd imagine they'd be just as good if not better than screws and you wouldn't have to worry about them coming loose with weathering!
Beech is suuuuper dense. I wouldn't worry about the nail at all, def not over the kind of wood you laid down.
I'm also on puget sound and I'm a builder, so my assumption is you've lain composite or cedar, which, it seems, you are very clear to how it acts. Ring shank nails are code, if you're going to nail. Those hidden, slim trex #15 torx or #1 squarehead screws work well, unless you're trying to remove them, then, good luck. They have threading alongside the shank in both direction to nearly cement them down, and you don't have to predrill.
You could also use 2x6s instead on five quarters for a more solid build, especially if you're close to the water at all or if your deck is of concernable height.
As far as the nail, "lignon welding" sounds quite fanciful and color me extremely skeptic. If it sounds to good to be true it prob is. The lignon resin also sounds like horseshit. The lignon in wood makes up the capillary tubes in the cambium, allowing the movement of water. It's the little dots in oak, except for a type of wood, oaks lignon are huge.
I doubt everything homeboy says, but I have sharpened purpleheart 1x6's into stakes and hammered them into a tree to make a spiral staircase for my cat to give her a new perch and it was skookum as fuck, I could walk up them, so it CAN be done.
Having a wood nail that will sand smooth and accept stain seems great for a deck.
sounds revolutionary, can't wait to forget it and never see it again
During the Colonial period, iron nails were hard to manufacture and expensive to buy, so most construction was done with wooden pegs in pre-cut holes slightly smaller than the pegs. Old, ruined houses were often burned to the ground just so the iron nails could be collected and reused or resold.
I think in medieval times wood nails where often used as well!
@@killerkraut9179 I have a piece of an 1880s-built shipwreck (an old barque converted to a coal hauler) and the gunwhales and decking were held together with tapered oak pegs that outlived many of the oak and fir beams
@@kevslow I'm guessing, but iron nails probably don't do well against salt water, so I can see them using wood for joinery where they can, though they still used nails to make ships. Perhaps more in the dry indoor parts though.
I like little baseball bats
lmao
Honestly the first thing that popped in my mind to use this for was bats. I know they have ways of using different timbers now but this seems perfect for that. Maybe someone who specializes in making bats could use other types besides ash and bitch using wooden nails.
I was about to write basically the same thing lol.
"When you shoot these wooden nails the friction actually causes a BoUrRrRRRRnD"
"Those fibers are bonded together"
HUUUUUH!
how's the sheer strength? I'm actually curious?
The comment I was looking for!
Nails bend. These things....
If that's important for your project this isn't the right nail for you.
I bet its similar to a dowel made of that wood
300-600lbs most likely is my guess
I little more then the sheer strength of it's base wood I'd imaginem
That ligma is amazing.
Have to admit that i never thought i would ever hear of a wood nail. Sounds awesome
Genius!!!!!!!!! Wood doesn’t rust either, We need a book called secrets of construction with facts like this
My joinery skills just got 100x better 😂
Absolutely brilliant. I'd be curious to see a side-by-side stress test between these nails and standard metal ones, with forces applied in different ways (shearing, tension, etc). Might give a better look at what kind of stuff these could hold up to, and thus hint at further use cases. Imagine using this for framing in residential construction; could be some pretty wild implementations in everyday life :)
Impregnated is a very awkward choice of words, but I'm following you.
This is excellent for marine applications. With this you can avoid the corrosion of the nails in the salty water
"you'll never take it apart" quite a bold statement if you ask me, but it's nice that they are coming up with new and interesting technologies.
Dude got scared at the end there.
Some other people in the comments have mentioned the nails' potential in decks, but personally, I can see a lot of potential in picture frames!
Going by the pricing, it's definitely for specialized work. The nails are something like 5-6 times the price of steel nails.
Cowboy boots use wooden nails (lemonwood?) and many nation's military boots were wooden nailed together during the war. They kept a tenacious bond.
I have a vintage pair of new old stock German work boots that are wood nailed.
Wooden nails were found in the lining of 7000 years old neolithic wells. They have been used for quite some time.
“Nice and flush”😂
It makes sense. Historically, long thorns have been used as nails In areas where There was limited/no access to iron nails. Especially hardwood thorned species like mesquite and locust.
How much are these things? A dollar a nail? Or something reasonable?
The ones I looked up worked out to be about 0.12 to 0.15 per nail. Seems like it needs a special nail gun that runs 5-600 too
Edit: apparently I was looking at the cheap stuff, there's a separate one that's like 800 and shoots .30 nails
@@Trevski13
Thank you for this data
800 for a pneumatic nail gun which shoots beech dowels. I will not call that a nail, at this time...ugh, Ok, a beech nail. I concede. Beech nail. Ok?
Look it up.
Furniture makers?
@@william6223 they're no nails and the only thing I can find about "lignin welding" is their own promotional material, no actual research papers
Major issue, sheering forces, while it won't come up, that doesn't mean it will tolerate sliding forces perpendicular to the plane.
I would think these would just be used in replacement of wood dowels.
The perpendicular for is being resisted by the friction of the 2 items if they are tight.
2 plywoods stacked hold not onky on the nail but thefriction between them caused by the nail
He did say it's application-dependent.
Honestly, I don't see why these wouldn't hold up just as well to shear forces as a lot of nails would. Shear force applied to a perpendicular fastener is manifested primarily as compressive force, and the weakest point for that with a metal nail is actually the surrounding wood, not the nail. These should perform at least as well as the surrounding wood in that regard, so would effectively be no different than a nail in that scenario.
(Plus, if one is anticipating significant shear force, the two pieces really should be glued together anyway, in which case the much larger glued surface will be taking most of the shear force, not the fasteners.)
It would be really interesting to see some actual testing done on this sort of thing, though...
This should be industry standard.
Renewable materials for large scale small projects like homes keeps it cheap and clean.
Makes more sense to grow your home than chisel it out of stone
Felt like I needed a smoke and shower after that spicy description
I was told by a framer they use nail for the house movement bc screws can shear off with movement idk if this is true though
Most screw don't like shear force but they are fine if not getting tons of winds or the home build rock solid.
Then there screw that are design to take shear force.
Nails are for framing because it's fast and bends with the flow well screw are for holding things down be it siding or decking.
It's true
Yeah, true. There are structural screws though that can take sheer load
10d and 16d are used situationally but im not even a journeyman or half so that's my opinion
@@jonny-b4954 pretty much any screw that's not a drywall or bargain bin screw will take shear load.
The tiny cabinet screws take pretty much nothing but shear load.