2022 CTWC - Round 1 - Pt. 4 - Tetris World Championship!
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In the 1990 Nintendo World Championship competition, Tetris was the game to beat. The winner, Thor Aackerlund, is still seen by many as the best to have ever played. Today’s Classic Tetris tournaments are played on that same version of Nintendo Tetris, using original NES game systems, controllers, and Tetris cartridges. In 2009, a player named Harry Hong became the first to achieve the highest possible score of 999,999 points. Inspired by this achievement, filmmaker Adam Cornelius produced a short film about Harry called “Max-Out”, and launched a Kickstarter campaign to document the world of competitive Tetris. As word of Adam’s Kickstarter campaign spread, rumors of max-out scores from other Tetris Masters began to surface, threatening the supremacy of Harry’s achievement. With the help of Nintendo World Championship veteran Robin Mihara, Adam searched for all of the Tetris Masters he could find. Jonas Neubauer emerged as an early max-out artist, along with the elusive original champ Thor Aackerlund. The idea of bringing these and other NES Tetris Masters together to compete in a live tournament became an obvious and irresistible proposition which was artfully captured in the 2010 feature length documentary Ecstasy of Order: The Tetris Masters. Under the leadership of producer Vince Clemente, The Classic Tetris World Championship is currently held at the Portland Retro Gaming Expo, an annual event which has hosted the tournament since 2012. Chuck Van Pelt and his organizing committee have built the PRGE into the largest classic gaming expo in the country, drawing around 10,000 attendees. Every year the scores get higher. Rivalries are revisited once again, and new players emerge to challenge the old guard. Over 100 players have maxed out the score now. Will you be the next? ecstasyoforder.com thectwc.com - Hry
small reminder that K Poke's PB at the time was mid 1.2, bro played out of his mind
I mean that was Championship level play right there. Insane.
But playing the human tetris machine
Man, you're unreal. :) I can only imagine how K Poke felt when getting 1.2s, only to get chased down slowly but surely every single time. :)
I’m glad me missing 5 right my first game was overshadowed by Poke’s incredibly play haha. It was amazing being there and thanks to the organizers and commentators for letting it happen!
Totally calculated
Harry Hong (2014): This game was programmed so that level 29 is the end."
Eric (2022): Hold my beer ... 😁
Wow I don't think I've ever seen a 200k chase down before.... Phenomenal to watch...
K Poke played phenomenally. Against almost anyone else, they would have dominated.
He would have burried anyone... but the vampire that is Eric ...cause he's immortal
Let's give a huge shout out to Tray and his amazing overlay that was spot on perfect this year, which adds so much vibrancy to us the audience.
💯👏
kpoke’s play was some of the best i’ve ever seen, even going into 29 a fair bit every game. the ctwc’s been growing in skill level exponentially for the past couple years. 2025 will have 1.5s being the standard, i’m convinced!
40:20 - Perfect score for Eren! 1'000'420 ... so awesome to get those 420 points all alone behind that million! :)
This is unbelievable
Am I the only one who feels bad for K poke?
I mean he had significantly higher TRT in ALL rounds, only to be beaten because Eric could play like forever. K poke is clearly a more "efficient" player but he just got killed by the killscreen which was once supposed to kill everyone.
Yeah, there it is, the first match of CTWC 2022 which would've been impacted by implementing a line cap.
I agree, thanks now we have super killscreen
Yes Eren with the Prime!!
Amazing Eric :o
I must admit I've stayed a proponent of no caps for a long time. In the end 29 play is a class skill on its own. But yeah, slowly the understanding comes. After watching this match in my mind there's not much doubt who won all 4 games, was the better player overall, was the more impressive player and whom would I prefer to see play more.
A bit lame to see player who lost 0 to 4 to advance.
Even assuming Poke with soon pick up a top-level 29 play, I don't really see that much point in that. Only to win after an exchange of singles and doubles for another 100 or 200 lines after 230? This win would be probably less impressive than one ending at 230. Moreover it will likely practically force Poke to play 0-230 worse in order to take less risk to then outlast (because I wouldn't even call that outscoring) the opponent at 29.
This extended lining up at 29 kind of feels like watching an extended battle of forever-respawning pawns to decide the winner, after checkmate within a standard chess game happens.
In all three games that poke made it to killscreen, he had ample opportunity to play a long game on killscreen and did not. You are dismissing Eric's skill simply because he makes it look so easy, to the point where any player out of the top 8 cannot compare because he's just that much better. Surviving is _hard_, and it's a skill that would have given Eric the match linecap or not, as he shows even in this video a clear ability to get several killscreen tetrises.
I agree with you that we should look into rule changes, which both CTM and CTWC have an active interest in doing. But to say that Eric was the "loser" of all four matches according to your biased take of what defines skill borders on condescending.
(to clarify, poke's pre-29 was absolutely top class, yet eric's dominance on the most challenging level is still something to consider)
@@fractal161 Hello Fractal,
Nice to hear from you, due respects.
In general what you wrote was my own opinion of quite a long time until very recently. I agree it takes enormous skill to play on killscreen, even if it's not Alex's crazy and risky high Tetris rate play, but only mostly lining out and I mentioned that in my first post.
I'm obviously raising what's just my opinion (though I think shared by more and more members of the community with time passing by) as a professional tetris scene follower and a recreational amateur with a history of just 2 maxouts.
But while I initially did, I less and less see a point in extended forever-lining out games. Even if both Poke and Fractal would line out for 1 or 5M following the standard-length game and Poke would win with the same point advantage he had while reaching 29, I'm not sure if I would consider it a better game, mostly a longer game. This feeling will deepen once even more players will take up rolling & great 29 play with time and the potential for disparity between who scored better pre 29 and including 29 will grow even more.
It's largely a matter of how much disallowing the post-29 play would change winner outcomes. I'm sure in your case, for example, this change would be smaller than in the case of Eric. We can see it in both ways: as Eric's great dominance at 29 or as Eric particular lagging behind the other top players in pre-29 play. Thus it's much less of a problem when we see your extended 29 play that maybe doesn't change that much as you would either way win in most cases pre-29, than in Eric's case when it can often be very much different. And then we ask ourselves - should a better pre-29 play be punished in favor of post-29 (in the end, if killscreen play is the ultimate skill, why not skip the unnecessary 18-29 part and just start with ks? maybe efficiency is simply an outdated concept to be forgotten and let's go with survival) or the opposite (line cap relatively soon after switch to 29 [50-100 lines max] or rules enforcing post-29 efficiency)? And with time passing by I think the latter is a better option.
And yes, Poke had that opportunity of killscreen play too and I'm convinced he'll get there with time, the same as it took the current best among you a considerable amount of time to get to your current killscreen skill since starting with rolling and generally with great play. I don't know his history very well, so I could be wrong here, but it seems he started later than most of you top guys.
If in let's say basketball, after the end of standard play, there would still be a chance of changing the result in a forever-lasting series of throws at a basket from the other side of the court, while I'm sure the skill of that would in a way be much higher than successfully throwing from around the basket which is how you usually score, still the simplicity and monotony of this task compared to a normal match play would serve to disinterest people in this style of winner resolution and people would prefer for the match to end in a standard way. It's similar in Tetris.
Though, I would be willing to change my mind if an Alex/Dog/Ruins-style efficiency post-29 play would be enforced. Though I doubt it can be done, rules for it (a Tetris every x lines or endgame? or play until your tetris rate decreases by a certain amount from what you had entering 29? etc.; or a mix of both - 50 lines to play however and then efficiency or endgame?) would probably be to complicated and possibly controversial to include them.
K Poke dominou de forma eficiente as partidas contra Eric. Acredito que se ele aprimorar as movimentações de peças após o level 29, em 2023, entrará como um dos favoritos ao título também.
Eric got to show off his Killscreen survival skills in Round 1. When I watched that match, I knew Eric was going to make it far into the tournament.
Post 29 play makes this the most boring CTWC I’ve ever watched. Tetris rate doesn’t even matter anymore and literally only 1 upset the entire round
that’s why i hate rolling
In my opinion, rolling is a valid way to control button with high performance. Valid ways can not be dispended. The biggest problem is time limit at post-29.
I honestly didn’t see much 29 play at all leading up to the R16.
This was the only match where 29 play consistently stole games from a more solid performance leading up to 29.
I agree watching someone line out to 47 is dull and feels cheap even tho it’s obviously incredibly difficult.
I foresee more speed run type tournaments and classes forming.
I don’t think you even need to separate DAS, Tap & Rolling if you you have a kill screen class and an Unlimited Play class.
Will have to determine if people will accept/want that tho.
People may just want 1 true champion with set guidelines.
The main event should not be tempered with in my opinion. I mean we trying to find the best Tetris player. post 29 play includes that, how ever I am all for more different formats were there is a time limit or a line limit. In sports the rules also aren't changed because a few people/clubs are dominat.
Except there have been cases of rules being changed because if dominant players or styles. Hockey removed some moves from being in shootouts because of how consistently easy they were to perform. Shaq literally forced the nba to allow double teams so they could play defense
2:24 +000000 Really liked Tugi! Great games.
The ironic long bar. Good one.
While this is otherwordly, its not really that interesting to see someone win with level 47, an empty board and 35% tetris rate over someone with double that amount . Hope the game progresses to some format where rolling has a cap too, like time limit.
There will be one in future events. CTM is doing a level 39 Line cap for this month's tournament
I was thinking same thing. I felt bad for K Poke cause I felt he was playing better tetris but lost due to a "technicality" I don't know how else to describe it.
@@kobra_style it doesn't feel very sportsmanlike, there should definitely be a time limit on chase downs
I think a line limit at around level 34 or 35.
@@kobra_style Although it was the same when Jonas lost against Joseph back then: Rolling>Hypertapping>Das
So many noteworthy games in ro32 this year that I really don't know which ones agamescout will inevitably cover or how.
Vamooooooo !!!
Sharky the best commentator!
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I tihink that this tournament should evolve at a certain point in which if you need to chase a score, you have like a 1/2 minutes to reach it, so you need to play 100% efficiently. For example, Eric had like a 3/4 minutes where he reach finally but line after line. Maybe to make it more "violent" and prioritze efficency over consistency.
This is the most terrible suggestion I have ever heard.
Isn't that how the classic tetris mode in Tetris Effect plays? There's a timer ticking down during chase down to keep up the pressure
I think there should be a line limit for this tournament, set at level 34 or 35, to not eliminate strategy and efficiency pre 29 in favor of being able to survive a long time at insane speeds. Or perhaps have a second category/ competition that stops at the level 29 transition (or 230 lines, technically could be 233 lines with a tetris) but allowing all play styles not a DAS only.
This last match between Eric and K Poke... damned! And it is only round 1. I have been watching CTWC and other championships for quite a while, and I LOVE how super competitive Classic Tetris has become. Despise the comments below, I really enjoyed Eric's performance, and this kind of games actually push the players to their limits. K Pole is an excellent player, but Eric was better. Eric could have made early top outs too (as he did on game 3) so I disagree when people ask for new rules. Classic Tetris allows to play after 29, 39, etc., so why should it be stopped? Short comparison with football/soccser championship: you can win the world cup with less victories than another team, is that unfair? No it is just how it goes.
Just my two cents on this, peace everyone, sending love from Belgium.
I'm not sure the original design of the kill screen was for people to be able to keep playing! Now we know it isn't enough, we need to compensate for that - make it a real kill screen, or add a time limit. Ultimately all sports need to be fun to watch - if they're not fun, change the rules so they are. If the final is spoiled by hour long grinds (impressive grinds, but still grinds) then it's time for a change. Peace and love from the UK!
@@MattBee84 But it is fun to watch. We are literally judging how “fair” it is for rollers and taking away their ability to play. The 49 KS this past CTM was unbelievable and hope they reintegrate that.
@@MattBee84 This is irrelevant, at least to me. When Henry Ford designed/build his firsts cars, I am pretty sure he did not expect one day to have cars driving at 300 km/h or so. Same goes with Tetris, maybe the game was not originally coded for reaching those levels, but they exist, so why not playing them? Playing on the kill screen is still something super difficult to do, it is not like any player can do this, so it is up to the best to become champion :)
K Poke = Crazy efficient
Eric = immortal
I feel sorry anyone who had to play Eric next.
that is not me
I watch these mainly to watch the good-looking players. So sad to see Eren and Elle both eliminated this round.
SO TRUE.
LMAO thanks I guess??
Lol it’s an honor to be put on the same level as Elle
Maybe in the future for the whole tournament, instead of it being just 1 full tournament involving every player and all different play styles, not sure if it'd be sustainably possible for now but in the future eventually make it 3 separate tournaments for each play style so its more fair for DAS and hypertap players to compete on an even playing field cause rolling is a little bit OP.
There was a CTWC DAS Tournament that happened this year. It was held in Germany.
They have already been doing this
What do they do with gloves?
My guess is to make rolling easier. Sweaty fingers will stick to the controller too much while the glove provides a smooth finger roll.
For the algorithm. ✊
That post 29 unlimited play seems a bit unfair
Hi poke
Eric must really hate playing on lvl 18 speeds. I am sure he finds it very slow.
It's insane what the kids have done with rolling and Eric's crazy records are nothing short of amazing but I hate to admit it but post 29 play with rolling is quite boring. Just mind blowing how the game has changed in just a few years.
I actually miss DAS and hypertaping. Rolling is just so excessive and it gets boring real fast.
Icx beasting as usual,only player who's performance was not good is huff,what happened to him?
Huff played well and made it into the top 8. How is that not good? 🤣
Where is Joseph Saelee?
Where is Koryan?
Joseph is busy with college. Koryan was not able to make it to Portland.
@@wingfryer Joseph with his abilities could enter the University directly after school.
So when they did the tetris competition with a time limit to catch up Eric did way worse. I would like something like that
A time limit is a good solution but then I imagine running into the issue of last second scoring/ replays. I think it's easier to have a line limit that is set around level 34 or 35, then the score could be run back easily enough if the player gets an extra couple line clears.
Post 29 chase downs are exciting but it gets ridiculous when it overrides efficiency pre-29.
If you’re talking about Tetris effect connected: classic score attack, Eric still got 2nd place (and was the only person to beat Huff in a match before the final). Still though, you also have to keep in mind that due to using an external controller for the game, you can sometimes lose inputs or have double inputs on the nes controller which was the biggest reason why some rollers didn’t perform as well, not because of the time limit (imo this is most apparent with Fractal since the amount of misdrops he made in the tournament compared to NES tetris was very noticeable).
Feels like k poke got cheated out of the last 16
Tugi purposely lost round 2.
Is Joseph is participating in competition
No, he is busy with college
Everyone is exaggerating entirely this whole post to 29 play. While there may be time limit changes to force them to be more aggressive or another kille screen at 49 like they did at the past CTM, this is literally the first year of rowing being introduced. There obviously has to be changes. but to scream bloody murder as if this is the most boring thing to watch because you think it’s bullshit with your “personal“ opinions does not help the competitive nature of this game. People are still playing for money and to win a fucking tournament for god sakes. There is gonna be 30-40 rollers who can possibly win next CTWC: think about that. This literally brings a whole new player pool and generation of people who can come in and compete.
Guys, sports change and esports change over the course of generations. This is changing over the course of 3 to 5 years. Everyone just needs to relax and let people sit down and discuss all of this. It did not take away from this tournament at all: people are over-exaggerating by a mile.
It is boring Tetris has gotten boring
Well there it is. Proof that there needs to be a change in these tournaments. Taking nothing away from the skill of players able to go on for hundreds of lines at the kill screen - it's just boring to watch and massively frustrating - no matter how well the opponent plays or how much risk they take getting tetris ready, they will lose after an impressive grind post kill screen. Perhaps a cap at 29 - or a time limit after 29 (only 2 minutes of skilled grinding allowed)? Amazing play, Jonas would be so proud, but the tournament has to evolve to the new skill ceiling. The finals this year may go on far too long.
Sharky slipped up and didn't use a gender neutral pronoun. Someone please look into this.
😂
The one commentator's (not sharky) insistence on using they/them pronouns for every single competitor is really annoying and weird
what strange comments, y'all. it's common courtesy. why would such a thing spur an annoyance? i expect better from the tetris community.
@@chainedfinality It's not though. A much better solution would be adding pronouns to the signup sheet and giving them to the commentator before the games so the commentators can get it right. When you use they/them for a person whose pronouns you already know you're misgendering them. Just take the time to get it right, nobody but the person(s) who decided they were going to use gender-neutral pronouns for everyone is going to be happy with this system.
2 genders
@@jenniferwatson4124 Only if you ignore science.
@@kaisar0 I don't use gender neutral pronouns, and I'm fine with it. Yeah, I noticed 'they/them', but that's perfectly fine - and perfectly legit, it's been used like this in the English language for literal centuries.
Look, I don't really mind people choosing the pronoun they wish to be addressed as, but over 90% of the roster here most likely didn't choose "they/them" as their preferred pronoun. So why the fuck, for the sake of those few, are you addressing everybody by that pronoun? AGDQ did this years ago where they simply put up the preferred pronoun next to the name and there is no confusion as to what they wished to be called. Forcing everyone into the same they/them basket just stinks of an agenda to make it feel like there are more people like that than there really are. For the sake of not butthurting a few people you're misgendering a whole bunch. Great job.
Why are you getting butthurt over a technically correct way of addressing a person
@@ArbieLyvias I am terribly sorry that I enjoy watching Tetris videos without getting woke garbage shoved down my throat.
calling a single person a they is one of the most frustrating things in the world. I understand that you are trying to be inclusive but maybe skip "they" all together and just call the participants by their names.
Except 'they' is actually proper English and has been used as a gender neutral term for centuries. There's literally nothing wrong with it, it's part of our language.
Tardy😂
Eric ICX Deserve to win, to champion this 2022 CTWC , good luck for him,!!!
.. 1.2million ISNT enough to win a heart.. in Round 1