The Most Improbable Comeback in Classic Tetris History
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- čas přidán 25. 05. 2022
- Breaking down a ridiculously improbable comeback in the final game of the Classic Tetris DAS Real Tournament hosted by Scamper.
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Correction: poopyoldhag is an additional player that got a killscreen Tetris with DAS, but the game was already won by the time it happened. / furryinnocentgarageone...
Video clips used, in order:
Andy vs NGC Man original Twitch VOD: www.twitch.tv/videos/14805049...
CTWC 2015: • Top 32 - 2017 Classic ...
Best of Five Trailer: vimeo.com/122062872
Scamper livestream: / scamper9
CTWC 2020 final: • 2020 Classic Tetris Wo...
CTWC 2021 semifinal: • Brothers' Rematch!! - ...
Ericicx level 95: • NES Tetris - FIRST EVE...
DAS player dies on 29: • CTWC 2018 Rd. 1 (pt. 1...
Greentea killscreen tetris: • Classic Tetris Monthly...
Jonas killscreen tetris: • 2020 CTWC - TETRIS Gro...
Adammts killscreen tetris: • 2021 CTWC Group F - Cl...
Bendy killscreen tetris: • My FIRST ever killtris...
Greentea quicktap: • CTWC 2018 Top 4 - Pt. ...
Classic Tetris Germany livestream: • Livestream: Classic Te...
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Amazing video Scout! It's an honor to be in one of your videos! I still can't believe I pulled this off. Andy is such an amazing player, it was an honor just to play him at all, let alone win. Thanks to Scamper for organizing the best DAS tournament ever to this point, and to CTM for promoting the event!
Bro you’re insane and I’m happy I got to see it live. Well that’s selfish lmao. I’m happy for YOU and can’t believe you actually pulled that off. You can retire now 😂😂
That was the most clutch thing I’ve ever seen. Well played.
Absolutely insane man
i miggt be wrong here but i thin gamescout is wrong, kinda of?!, its true its never beend done in a real tournament i think but jonas did do it once vs HArry i think, in a friendly match wich was compettive but not part of a tournament where Jonas scored a tetris on the Killscreen with junk got bar late and got final tetris wich allowed him to outscore Harry just barely.
@john wick are you talking about the second game in this video? It was an incredible comeback and finish for Jonas definitely but he did not get the final Tetris after entering 29 czcams.com/video/URE3dcS2NlY/video.html
can we just appreciate the way fractal so logically and astutely proves the legitimacy of DAS play
fractal is the real mvp
Fractal is awesome
What I said at 8:58 at the top
This dramatic finish isn't possible without the limits of DAS.
@@Flyzguy and other ones aren't possible if other things are excluded. It's awesome that the scene can support both.
It's insane that this happened at this tournament lol, so amazingly fitting. Beautiful.
I love that the classic Tetris community is so incredibly literate to not only identify questionable inputs, but concretely prove plays are consistent to actually possibilities. It’s so much more intellectual than “he must be cheating because nobody’s that good,” and “nuh-uh!”
It is a really tight knit group, and overall a very wholesome and supportive community. It also helps that the limits of the game are very well defined and can be verified by testing. :)
"It's one thing for the pieces to come, but only a very select few people in the world could take those pieces and put them where they need to go." -Thor Aackerlund (First Max Out Player)
yeah that also immediately popped up in my mind!
Excellent breakdown Scout! Truly was an awesome ending to a wonderful tournament. Congratulations to NGC Man, but also to Scamper who organized the best DAS tournament yet! Was an honor to host on our channel
Definitions of insane
2018: Hypertapping
2019: Hypertapping
2020: Rolling
2021: Rolling
2022: DAS
I don't mind having a specific DAS competition. Breaststroke isn't the fastest way to swim either but there's still a competition for it.
@@Frahamen Maybe a stretch but would you say:
Breaststroke = DAS (slowest and least physically demanding but needs good technique)
Butterfly = Tap (most tiring but quite fast)
Freestyle (front crawl) = Roll (fastest and most efficient)
I think a separate tournament for each playstyle is a better future for Classic Tetris. It's like having body weight categories in some sport competition. If NGCMan was against a hypertapper or a roller, those final tetris might not be matter at all. But the tense during this DAS only tournament makes the match insanely tense.
While it's also fun to watch DAS vs Hypertapper vs Roller, there should be one point in the future where Roller's win rate is 100%, and it will become less fun. At least that's what I think.
You have to imagine how difficult it is to play so perfect with das, ESPECIALLY with center well
I didn’t know I was one of 5 players to get an extra Tetris with Das
When you realize you're a 99.9th percentile Tetris player
I was curious how a DAS comeback into killscreen could be so insane, but this did not disappoint! That's completely nuts for him to get the world's first walk off extra Tetris with everything on the line 👏
Andy is one of the best players of all time but often just misses first place.
he definitely has a lot of memorable 2nd place finishes
Consistent topping is more Impressive than 1st place I believe
I get a little teary eyed when I see these DAS tournaments pop up and think about how well the king himself, Jonas would do in these.
This is BY FAR the craziest comeback I have ever seen, not even close, it is only fitting to have a dedicated video to it, I still see that chased won clip from time to time lmao
NEStris with DAS vs. with rolling are like completely different games now. While post-killscreen play is exciting, it might be even more hype to watch DAS players build extremely risky setups in the center or off the bottom, knowing that they have to score all their points before level 29. Definitely looking for more DAS tournaments in the future!
Great comment, and I def agree. I was thrilled to hear DAS-only tournaments are becoming a thing now. While it's really interesting to see how these newer methods allow players to smash records left and right, DAS play is actually more fun for me personally to watch. I think it's because DAS is how the majority of people grew up playing Tetris (and how most still play today). Watching skilled players use the same exact method I do when it comes to controlling piece movement yet score way, way higher than I ever will never ceases to blow my mind. Watching players use hypertapping/rolling is cool, but feels more like watching an entirely different game.
For me, a good comparison would be if we were able to take an Olympic long distance runner and a car back in time to show to someone with a lifelong passion for running who lived in a time period before easy global communication (and modern Olympics) were a thing. Imagine if the Olympic runner did a few high speed laps around the track, and then the car did the same thing.The person we visited would probably be amazed at the technology and speed of cars, but if running were a true passion for them they'd likely spend just as much, if not more, time watching the human runner and maybe trying to learn some of their techniques. It's not a perfect analogy, but it's kind of how I feel. Hypertapping/rolling are like a newer form of technology that most of us will never use. They're pretty amazing, but I still enjoy seeing what people can do with the tools I work with as well.
@@nicked_fenyx Rolling might not be as OP as some think in a live tournament setting. Lots of small distractions - audience noise, PA announcements, simply being in the presence of others, etc. - are obstacles. The ultra-mega-high scores that players put up with rolling all seem to be when they're playing at home, alone, with no distractions. The Las Vegas tournament this year seems to suggest this.
@@pieman3141 the only reason huff beat joseph in their last ctwc was rolling. huff chased him down in the kill screen and won games he wouldn't have won if rolling didn't exist, so it's pretty op. dog still won that year with hypertapping but realized he would have to take up rolling if he wanted to continue winning.
I would love to see you feature some of the new insane records that have been going on with rolling
Yes I'll definitely be getting to it
Seconded!!
Scouts ability to break down pace and scoring potential, as well as add historical context really add to this stunning finish for this landmark tourney. GGs all around
How awesome that the DAS World Cup is in a tiny German town next to the city where i live, 20 minutes by bicycle. 😅
Didnt not expect to read the name Fürth at all with this mostly US based content.
Fantastic breakdown! Love that you're still doing these once in awhile.
"once in a while" oh man I need to upload more often 😅
@@aGameScout no pressure, you've got a lot going on. Just appreciate when it drops.
I knew nothing about Tetris before watching this video but this video still gave me everything I needed to understand how clutch this really is, awesome stuff!
These videos are like the glue to this wonderful Tetris community. Love them!
pulling a 7 high left quicktap on 19 speed is incredibly difficult and it happened in miliseconds matters. Well done NGC
...also this brings back the fun memories of me all but screaming at my monitor in the final moments of this match. I was literally shouting "GO FOR BROKE!" at my screen as NGC went into levels 27 and 28. Such a hype end to an amazing tourney.
I feel like we should call that double I piece maneuver the "NGC Gambit"
Just started the video, a tournament with the DAS controls?
Man, das crazy.
That was some next level composure from ngc and most hype game I've ever seen in the 9 years I've been watching competitive tetris.
Center wells are such a pain to maintain, absolute props.
This is geeking out in the very best way. Well done to the competitors! And extra props to this insanely fantastic recap. RIP Jonas!
Scout is one of OGs of Classic NES Tetris. That one video years ago led him here as a centerpiece of the Tetris community.
this was amazing, great video
the way i audibly cheered when ngc pulled it off
This was so intense live congrats to NGC very well deserved win
I like how PixelAndy scoots very close to the screen the moment NGCMan scores the extra Tetris
Thanks for another great video, Scout! The algorithm brought me to you before Cheez changed the game and now competitive Tetris is about all I watch!
DAS is the ultimate form of Tetris.
That's what I love about this channel. Great analysis. Scout at his best
Awesome video again and unlucky andy👍👍
Ggs to NGC Man, ggs to Andy! Thanks for the video, Scout!
I saw this live. I was blown away.
Commenting early for the algorithm. Great video as always scout!!! NGC did the impossible and we are just lucky we get to see it 😃
Me spotting my name a couple times: "Hey look it's me!" I feel like that SImpsons meme...
Haha I know the feeling. PAUSE THE SCREEN I'M FAMOUS
"Oh my god, that's a me on the screen!"
@@vicious_rhubarb2247 yepbear
I love that I'm usually a part of gamescout's B roll
This is absolutely insane!!
Wow....what an incredible way to clutch out winning the entire tournament. That's insane
Holy shit that had to have been the biggest gambit ever
Conclusion - next time force players to showing their hands during game (by extra camera or main livestream camera - doesn't matter) in a tournament where you can't hypertap or roll...
That’s probably a good idea
I agree, hand cam would help in these circumstances. The issue is that camera quality plus a stable internet connection (and probably a good computer) are required to actually make it useful. I have those things, but not all players have that luxury, so enforcement could potentially disqualify some players. In the end, the most important tool to validate games is a consistent way to go frame by frame. I personally move my controller a lot when I play, even when I am just using DAS, so sometimes it looks like I'm tapping when I am not.
TLDR, I totally agree with requiring hand cam in a perfect world, but it can be unreliable and some players may not be able to afford a good one.
Actually insane play by ngcman.
Actually almost all DAS players who have done a tetris on the killscreen did it against tappers, when actually such a move against another DAS player would be an authomatic win.
setting up for the double or 2 tetrises 2 longbars in a row for the KS to win is a dream but very rare to actually achieve, most have only gotten the dirty version where 2nd bar comes not directly after the 1st one. The true double is when 2 bars in a row allow u to score 2 tetrises in a row clearing 8 lines strait wich is very rare. the "legendary double" is a combo of 2 strait tetrises and a perfect clear wich i never hear d of anyone ever beeing able to do.
This was the first time I've ever scored a tetris on level 29 speeds in a normal game, let alone doing it with a tetris at 229 lines to boot!
Fractal is such a likable nerd. The true hero in this story.
The sheeeeeer rng in this finish lmao
Woohoo another video !
yoo! NGCMan is insane!
yeah, I think it's best for the sport to have different brackets for DAS, rolling, and hypertapping.
my friend loves regular tetris but none of the 5 tuple tspin setups are ever gonna compare to this bro i swear O.O
8:20 just realized I made the video lol
Yeah
this is crazy
nice good yes
couldn't they just make a romhack that makes hipertapping impossible?
What will happen next is the DAS tournaments would be bigger than the main event tapping/rolling tourneys. And thesr players (joseph, dog, eric, cheez) would be practicing DAS again to compete in this DAS events
I highly doubt this but I suppose anything is possible :)
@@ngc_man25 u a beast bro. Looking forward to future matches with the OG's. A Harry v NGC finals next maybe?
Das goot!
I appreciate the comment, but the GOAT will forever be Jonas Neubauer.
@@ngc_man25 I was trying to make a dumb pun with the German language and DAS, but my German isn't very good so I'm unsure if I did it right.
rule #1 NEVER give up
idk why but hearing him refer to them by their usernames is pretty hilarious and in general too just hearing someone refer to someone not by their given name but something like xX_bigearl_Xx is pretty funny
I too am still getting used to this, however it is be design. I still haven't revealed my name, and I don't plan to for the foreseeable future, so this is the only tenable short term solution.
Wow,
800 early club members...
So good! 👍
Wow.... just wow 👌
Maybe there should be some software to record inputs and unambiguously detect whether play was DAS compliant.
It exists, but is an extra complication for everyone to set up. 99.9% of the time there's no controversy over something like this
2:28 Despite using it as a verb (& occasionally, a noun) Throughout the entire vid, he still stops here to define what the titular "tetris" is, jjuusstt in case there's someone new to the game, who just randomly came across this video . . . Always looking out for the little guy, gotta respect the man for that! 🍺 🤷
Andy would've won that last game if he didn't block the right well with the T piece because he would've gotten that triple on the right side with the i piece. Ngcman would be 3k points short if Andy got that triple. Even if Andy got that triple Ngcman still has a chance to win it if he gets a double after the b2b tetris. He could've gotten a double if he didn't hang those O pieces on the left and he would've need to hold out for a O piece to put in the square hole which is a double.
What are the odds of this happening ever again?
This video is a year old but I wonder if the competition organizers ever considered creating a hack/mod which modifies movement so tapping is not any faster.
whoa
Laughable
should have seen my mom vs my brother! He was SURE he would finally win for once!
she was TOUCHING THE ROOF... reduced it down to 0 in one rapid combo! ~ sending him a pack so big he INSTANTLY K.O.'ed !!
She threw the pad down and shouted "NEVER AGAIN" and ye... that was the last time they ever played tetris!
After how he cemented his status after winning CTDas. I don’t see NGC Man losing anytime soon, at least definitely not to another das player.
Lol poopy, great comment. Poopy beat me in Juga Tetris Caramba, another DAS tournament happening after ctDAS. Poopy is very good :)
Also, can't win them all, only Jonas could do that.
Ngc lost to tugi in ctm like one month ago lol
@@ryanamburgy2791 Also true! Just goes to show that sometimes, we all have good days and bad days, although both Poopy and Tugi played amazingly in our matches. Even on a good day, those two are never easy to beat.
Ouch poor Andy
WOW
Neat
First NGC takes down dog, and now andy. Next up a CTWC title? Probably.
the research from fractal is insane! I'm always so floored by all these research from the video gaming community. Same goes for the research on potential cheating with game speedruns. Such dedication!
Why would a quicktap in the middle have even been evidence of hypertapping? If you do 2 taps at like 7-10hz (which sounds like it is allowed as it's not a hypertap) and you time it well enough, you would still move the piece fast enough no? Since you'd cancel the DAS cooldown and then play _close enough_ to DAS to still maintain a lead?
Not possible to do both those taps at 7-10hz and have the move work out. The move would've required 13+hz even with perfect timing, which is why using additional tapping to assist with moves only possible with quicktaps is not allowed.
@@aGameScout Really? Wouldn' it have been like
1 (DAS)
6 (DAS)
6 (DAS)
2 (quicktap)
8 (quicktap)
and that should have worked? No? Seems to add to the same total as 1-6-6-6-4
High time for dropped frames...
I wish neubauer is here
That dude was so happy.
wow
As a roller, I find this video very confusing
gotta click fast
I really love DAS. Since the advent of hypertappers started dominating the scene and then rolling, I've been losing interest in the game.
The good news is that DAS isn't going anywhere. While it isn't winning at the highest level anymore, there are still plenty of events that DAS players can participate in and enjoy. Also, the game will forever be about stacking, no matter the drop speed or the movement potential. Everyone enjoys the game a different way, and I'm just happy that you find the game interesting in any capacity! The more the merrier :)
Man
Why even have a das tournament. Have a tournament where you can only hold the buttons down.
obviously u have to be a good player to get scores that these guys get in das tetris but watching this tournament is like watching wnba instead of nba
feel sorry for Andy he dserved to win just got very unlucky odds where totallystacked against NGC that play is a fail like 99 of 100 if not more, super super unlucky. It wont happen again prob in his lifetime in fact onlyharry hong was victim to a similar event against Jonas when Jonas robbed him with a killscreen tetris with a lucky longbar inthe middle with a messy board up high.
I got super lucky at the end, however one thing that hasn't been talked about a lot is how I got that far behind. I was only 80,000 points behind entering level 23, but then I got really bad rng until level 26. Every time I was tetris ready, I got no bars, then when I covered the well, the bars came. There were over 40 straight pieces of tetris readiness that I didn't get a tetris, extremely unlucky. (Not a 40+ long bar drought, but the equivalent thereof)
So my kinda horrible rng was rectified by the literal best rng I could've asked for at the end :)
They both agree to the piece sets and rng and it’s a best of 7 so it’s not like Andy was just robbed calm down lmao
Great video. But DAS only is like having a competition in walking. Olympic discipline, yes, but doomed to be bogged down in discussions who ran a few steps. The future of classic Tetris is clearly not that...
Nah he cheated
Who cares about DAS? The technique is behind us. Either move on and switch to hypertapping or rolling, or quit.
this feels like such a goofy attitude, if people have more fun with it then I see no reason not to seek community with likeminded people to have fun together :)
Classic Tetris is such a joke. 9-0 stacking is dog shit easy. Only need to look ahead one piece. Play is limited by the terrible control scheme instead of the player’s skill and creativity.
You clearly don't play if you think any version of Tetris is about creativity in 2022.
@@CheezTetris T-spin set ups, which there are dozens of, require way more visualization ability and creativity than stacking a 9-0 well
@@MikhailFederov They don't, it's all instinct regardless (coming from somebody who has practiced classic, guideline, and TGM). You learn the set-ups outside of games and they show up later on, you are not revolutionizing or creating anything new. If classic is so easy and just has bad movement, please do show us all how its done with improved movement settings.
@@MikhailFederov creativity is the literal reason why i watch classic tetris more than modern tetris. i play both of them but watching top players doing creative tucks or spin setups and figuring out the most efficient way to fix stacks is just mind blowing. doing it in limited controls, only able to see one upcoming piece and completely random piece generation.
@Luminote right, it's just pattern osmosis over a long time that gives the illusion of creativity, but in reality you've probably seen the situation hundreds of times before lol
too bad he ruined his nice play with the cringiest popoff dance ive ever seen
ok MrOkimoki
Ratio
when you win a game like this you can celebrate however you want lol
the only cringe thing here is your comment bro, yikes.
Nah it was worth it. He's so focused until he realized he won, the guy deserved his popoff.
00:30 The Legend Jani
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