What It Costs To Live In Berlin
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- čas přidán 9. 06. 2018
- Dubbed by its former mayor as “poor but sexy”, Berlin has fostered a large community of creatives including artists and musicians for over a decade. Its artsy appeal and extremely low rents, in comparison to its European counterparts, have drawn a new wave of entrepreneurs building up the city’s startup scene. Along with foreign investments, this influx has ramped up property values, earning Berlin the top spot on a global list of cities with the fastest rising property prices.
VICE News spent a day with a comedy club owner to see how he keeps a creative venture running in a changing city.
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Why does he sound like a woman and have arms smaller than my wrist?
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The number 1 place in increase is Palma de Mallorca. Berlín is nothing in comparison. Get your statistics right. A flat used to cost 700 EUR/month and now it's 1200 EUR/month.....
For a decent looking flat.
mm
Vice should carry on with this series.
well that escalated quickly
Why does he sound like a woman and have arms smaller than my wrist?
I wonder will it coast cheaper to live at the eastern part of Berlin
The first time I entered a coffee shop in Berlin, I was surrounded by people talking about films, art, and just creating cool things. Never experienced that anywhere else in the world. I love that place.
Harshil Patel they talk it but la new york dbags make it happen. Merica
Dudley, was that a joke?
Joker.
Berlin makes you tired
Montreal?
As a born and bred Berliner, these are the type of people Berliners absolutely hate. Its not a personal attack on them but basically the refugees and immigrants are not the problem. Its wealth economic immigrants like Americans, Brits, etc. coming to Berlin and driving the tolerable rent prices up with all their useless start-ups and cafe houses. They are driving out immigrant populations that have been a staple to this cities rich culture for decades. So instead of amazing home-made Turkish and Arab food that is cost efficient you are getting detox smoothies and vegan shakes for 15 EUR. Each has its benefits but I really hope people stop coming to Berlin and the hype dies down because eventually it will not be an affordable city. Also nobody fucking buys a ABC Monatskarte for 120 EUR. With the abonnement, the monthly ticket is around 62 EUR.
The Berlin hype has been fading for years now, but the housing and cost of living crisis persists because it is not being handled properly. Prior to it being a big issue, Berlin was considered fairly under populated for the capacity it could house so despite a jump in people moving there (especially young people from other highly developed countries) in the 00s, it didn't start becoming an issue until the early 2010s and increasingly more so.
I pray of god as well I hope people stop coming to Berlin
Honestly I think there’s enough döner places already. I’m down for a vegan smoothie. ( I’m not vegan)
Welcome to globalism. Where every big city becomes the same confused consumerist vomit pile full of mongrelized, androgynous automatons.
bishap global86 it’s about the culture they bring, not the language
Thanks VICE the price just got a bit higher.
This guy's a walking cliche
He is so ''hipster'' the he isn't hipster anymore.
I don’t see a problem with his lifestyle.
He’s just an average small business owner trying to get by
Right? Even down to the avocado toast.
Don't believe the hype. The prices are exploding, the search for an apartment can go for months due to horrible deficit, wages are inferior to even rest of Germany. Winter in Berlin is long and extremely depressive and summer can be very short. Many of those old houses have a really terrible heat isolation and electricity and heating prices are some of the highest in Europe. Its a city where many dream to come, but without a well-payed contract moving here can be extremely frustrating.
Nice seeing the nicer side of Berlin living. In my experience, Berlin is a total shithole inhabited by some of the most unpleasant people I have ever met.
@@tonytait4734 Yeah, I'd take Hamburg or Frankfurt over Berlin any day of the week.
Summers aren't short in Berlin and Winters aren't very long...
@@tonytait4734 Have you been to Berlin?
@@whynotstayhonest4706 the last winter was okay, thank you climate crisis. Besides winter in Berlin is awfull in my opinion. But it depends where you are from I guess.
Eating toast with a fork and knife...
Who are these people, are they even human?
Norn Itus that’s normal
its normal isn't it for civilized people?
@@lunafringe10 nah only douchbags do that
I'm Asian and I eat my breakfast like that, it's common tho
Germans eat everything with a fork and knife, even pizza. I was once given “permission” to eat my pizza the american way in germany lol
good series but I don't know why vice picked someone who moved to berlin 8 years ago before the rents went up like crazy. nowadays he would either live in a 60sqm flat with his girlfriend for 980 or paying 2000 euros for the flat they showed in the video. everything they said in the video is true for people who came to berlin 10 years ago but most of the rents doubled by then, in some areas they even tripled
Doesn't guys rent go up? Or does the landlord have to fix it at the price it was 8 years ago
Yeah, but the subjects also dont make anything so that balances out
Berlin is by FAR the coolest and most tolerant city that ive EVER lived in (Going off of NYC, London, Paris, Edinburgh as comparisons ) Berlin isnt expensive, its not aggressive, its a walkable, easily bikeable open minded city. Rents are far easier to manage than other Capital cities in Europe / North America, food isnt expensive and University is free. Health care is also covered either 100 or 50% by your employer. All around Berlin is definitely one of those "I could live there for a long time" kind of cities, because it takes a lot of the stress out of living and it feels like theres more time to relax and enjoy things.
The Modern Investor Lol @ the cities you compare it with
Dapper Don tolerant by comparison, lets not forget they let 1 million Muslims in whilst the rest of europe shits the bed.
Free university? Really?
I lived in Frankfurt from 2012-2014 and visited Berlin in the summer of 2012. I went to Amsterdam, followed by Berlin, and it is still by far the best trip I ever had. I rented a bike and drove around the Berlin Wall area and went to several museums. I still yearn to go back and see visit Berlin as well as Germany again.
The Modern Investor Berlin fucking rules! Cool to hear that you lived in my country too, Scotland
I laughed pretty hard when he busted out the avocado toast.
why is that, you don't like healthy food ?
nowadays that's offensive.
Dereck Smith it has to be a joke right? :D
I rolled my eyes when I heard avocado
he is the stereotypical new „berliner“
OK but who lives in a 90sqm apartment? I don't really know many young people who can afford that kind of place. And 900€ seems crazy for such a huge apartment. Some of my friends pay 400€ for a ROOM in a shared flat. This is not really accurate
Yea, 980€ for such a flat is extremely low. I pay around 1100€ (a little more than 1200$) for 68sqm in a city of around 80.000 people near Hamburg. In bigger cities like Hamburg or Munich I'd pay somewhere between 1400€ (Hamburg) or up to 2500€ (Munich) for a flat that size. Well, but I mean Berlin is a pretty shitty city imo lol. I wouldn't necessarily live there even if apartments are relatively cheap.
If you move to up and comming parts of the city that still have a bad reputation like Reinickendorf, Kreuzberg or Neu-Köln these prices can be accurate. But they really are skyrocketing
Berlin is a poor shit hole. Everything is cheap but the hipsters have no money so they talk bs about how expensive it is... I live in a small town in Bavaria and a 90sqm apartment is about 1500€
@@shaclo1512 noticed allot of young people are in debt or have no money in Berlin. They talk about how they are broke while they chowdown on there 8 euro meal and on there 3rd beer. Hmm I wonder why youre broke....
In greece i pay 350€ for a 75sqm apartment and i consider it pretty expensive its because of different salaries
Between the time this was shot and published, the costs of rooming has increased even more.
This guy did´t told you the most important part about Berlin : "Good luck finding an good affordable apartment!"
I was born and raised in San Francisco and the comment section sounds like Berlin is getting gentrified too
San Francisco is a shithole lmao
@@fatmanwalking8610 so is Berlin
it is; capitalism causes every city to get gentrified.
Unlike in SF our government is actually trying to help though, ever since we kicked most of the neoliberals out. For instance, we've just introduced a rent freeze and limitation, and a system to force cheating landlords to pay tenants back. Now if we'd only finally ban sitting on empty property and build some affordable housing rather than fancy condos...
gentrification in berlin is almost done, it's not worth coming here anymore
I lived in Berlin for five years. So incredible and so affordable. Our two bedroom flat was 500 euro in one of the best areas ( Prenzlauberg) We had lovely and affordable organic food daily from local farmers market. Inexpensibe restaurants and some of the best third wave coffee I've ever had. Just moved back to LA and I'm so shocked how expensive it is to live here. Missing Berlin :(
And LA is considered reasonable overall compared to NYC and SF! Pretty much any US city that is the least bit desirable to middle-class and wealthier 20 to 30 somethings has gotten way too expensive.
Exactly, it is supposed to be reasonable but it's far from it compared to the lifestyle you can have in Berlin. In addition to being expensive the traffic is the worst. It was great not owning a car in Berlin. Something less to think about:)
You earn in LA the same as in Berlin?
Do you think Berlin has increased alot for costs of living? How is LA? Interested to hear your experience with both cities but I would like to eventually leave the US
Well I live in Berlin and many of the things he does say are true, but there's problems with space and gentrification here too. What people spend on rent has gone up so much in the last couple years, as a student it's so hard to find a room, you might pay up to 600 for a bedroom in a shared flat. And they do build new flats, but not for rent. They're gonna be sold for ridiculous sums and people with an average wage won't have access to those flats. In the meantime, social housing is decreasing. It's still cheaper than many many big American cities but as a student who has seen the housing market it's far from ideal
Don't worry, they are building new social housing across Berlin... For migrants from Africa and Middle East.
find a girlfriend, or boyfriend, cheaper
@@eugenetkachev Will showing an African or Middle Eastern passport be required?
@@tiagow95 of course it won't. Idk how it works on there but in England, you have to prove kinda that you need it, like I've got kids, I barely earn enough ect.
@@Darkest_matter Yeah, I imagined it wouldn't. I just wanted to see if his statement was based on reality, or if he was talking outta his ass.
Vice, I love you. But please stop timing the recommended video pop ups at the same time there is writing at the top of the screen. It makes the information unreadable.
I lived in Berlin for 2 years, and it was the best time of my life, but the struggle was real. It's hard when your non-EU and have to deal with German bureaucracy. Getting a job was really hard and finding a flat was hell. I moved 11 times those 2 years, and that is "normal" there. Also with rent skyrocketing it was impossible to save money. You either need to have a IT job or be lucky to have a business like this guy and KNOW German in order to make it comfortably there. It broke my heart to not of been able to stay. But you can't live off art with no pay forever.
what's the minimum salary you need to live comfy in Berlin?
@@SomerLeBelphegor depending on the area you're "willing" to live in, I would say between 1k (net) on a minimal standard to 2k for a "normal Berliner" lifestyle within the S-Bahn Ring with bars and restaurants. If you can cut costs on food and living it is manageable. But honestly - if you already ask for the minimum salary, you're setting the bar as low as can be. Rather ask, what the maximum salary could be, depending on your education and dedication.
Not really normal to move 271871 times.
U just did something wrong.
If u know what you're doing u can find something good for lifetime in like 3-6 month.
it's the reality for most of the places tho. you gotta know their language if you want to stay longer.
Who would've thought that you need to speak German to live in Germany? 🤔
Combined annual income is $41k meaning he is making minimum wage with the added stress of running a business. Sounds like a great deal.
thats quite a bit over minimum wage actually.
In my country (Italy), an employee's minimum wage is more than half of his salary... Just saying...
The minimum wage in Germany is roughly $22K a year. Minimum wage in Turkey however is $6268 A YEAR... Consider the fact that turkey is a pretty developed nation and a lot of expensive clothing brands make their clothes in Turkey.
What is it with hipsters and avocados!? I don’t get it 😂
For real haha. This guy is a walking cliche 😆😂
@@amano4755 Avocados are really bad for the enviroment, so these gay hipster asshats in the video are big walking hypocrits.
@@amano4755 avocados aren't cheap AT ALL LMAOOOO
@@Takador how broke are you to where 88 cents is expensive?
@@indigo153 my country produces avocados and they don't go for that
At all
I'm actually moving to Berlin for the summer and for an internship in 2 days. Wish me luck
Viel Glueck und viel Spass da drueben!
How is it?
I lived there for 9 months for german course i absolutely loved it. I want to go back.
How is it
How are you there right now?
Berlin is beautiful
definitely not in winter, which is 1/2 of every year
Was*
German here. It really isnt its a bit of a shithole compared to the rest of the country. Especially south germany.
BlackWolf9988 Munich is beautiful
Berlin actually is not bad overall and when considering the other comparable options. The other major western cities are really expensive now. Berlin is becoming more expensive, but still much more affordable than London, Paris, and NYC. The weather can suck for 6-8 months, unless you like dark and cold, but it sucks in those other major cities as well. The US does have alternatives to NYC that offer much better weather year round, like LA, but you still have to live in the US with all of its problems right now and pretty much every desirable major city in the US is more expensive than Berlin now. Of course, Barcelona and Lisbon have better weather and are on the ocean but Spain and Portugal's economies still suck and it costs more to live in them compared to what people earn compared to Berlin from what I've heard.
wow their flat is sooo lovely. Now I want to move there
no all the flats are like that and is very diffcult to find one, take in acount that the job market is really bad also
The fastest rising living costs in the world, nearly impossible to find a flat, job market is highly competitive and over saturated with qualified individuals from all around the world, universities have waiting lists as big as the first and new testaments of the Bible, and the immigrant office is packed every. Single. Day. Then you have a state that is burdened by public debt that it has carried for decades.
you could have gotten such a place 8 or 10 years ago. Such a apartment will now cost 2k easily (which is more than than the monthly net income you get out of 40k gross per yeas)
2x that is still cheaper than in London, Amsterdam, Munich so still a good deal!
please don't, we are full
Vice, please carry on with this series! its amazing
avocado toast...
LMAO
ikr 😂
White things u kno
Ironically its cheap and healthy. As long as you buy and make it yourself of course.
Shakalkg it has to be a joke haha
Krakra Kranich I guess you dont know what they stand for
More videos like this for other cities please!
More videos like this, please. :-)
Awesome serie! Btw, ill get to this venue as son as I get in Berlin 😎
I'm from New York and I lived in Berlin for a few months. The two cities could not be any more different.
He moved in that apartment 8 years ago! Now it would be 2000/ month for sure. Myself I will never ever move out of mine again, cause then I will be skrewed.
Absolutely loved Berlin! I’m from New Zealand
that apartment in Munich would cost the double
it would be like x4 the price (everything included). the guy has an old rental agreement. it would now be twice as expensive as kreuzberg/neukölln is one of the most expensive areas to live
Ist so haha
Disappointed that the wives dancing was not shown. A commercial for him and his business. With a dab of Berlin for flavor.
He left out the fact that you are never more than 5 feet from a steaming heap of hounde sheisse in while outside in Berlin.
I'm writing this from Dublin, and I cannot fathom getting such an appartment for that price. Just wow.
Now this is the kind of content from Vice I signed up for. Do more!
Interesting video. You should do one about Lisbon since the city is growing due to the fact of being cheap to foreigners. This, unfortunately, is making the city incredibly expensive for natives.
Keep up!
No don't do one for Lisbon because it freaking makes the situation way worse for Lisbon. Jesus.
I really like this series!!
I’ve been waiting for this!! Love it.
That was my favorite Vice video ever :)
0:37 I think it's nice that they kept some walls of the Berlin Wall.
Should never erase your history.
Arthur true.
Arthur We don't want to forget what it brought to us prior to its demolition . Peace and cultural independence .Some of us East Germans would prefer having the whole wall instead of a tiny chunk.
it tells you a lot about Berlin that a large luxury apartment block was built on the death strip here a few years ago cutting through the Wall.
Sasuke Uchiha You should be going to school more instead of watching Anime, because then you would maybe understand something about politics
good catch mate
do another one about berlin pls 💙
Watching this right now from my work in Berlin
Love how everybody you've covered in these series eat avocado toast for breakfast.
ohhh Berlin I can't wait till move there
Alone in Berlin is such a good book, and I like to imagine the city more like its it is presented in that than in this video
Love this video!
$1,156...for a 2 bedroom apartment with dinning room...on the east coast that would be 3,000 or more. Your in for a shock..as property gets heated.
Those days are numbered.
Berlin is one of the less capital Citys how make less money than they earn ..
And their police cars are Opel ..
Other german Staates have mostly Mercedes , BMW at least VW ...
As mentioned by many other commenters, Berlin rents are somewhat affordable compared to Munich or Hamburg. But the rents in other german cities can naturally be way lower. I live in Hannover, sharing a flat with my mate and we each pay 300€ ("Warmmiete") for a 70m^2 appartement. Now that's affordable. :D
Dan Klorix
Yes but Berlin is a leftard shit hole and the people lives from wellfare. So for us Germans its very cheap but for Berliners it‘s expensive.
Good video compliment you answer all my questions
you would never find an appartment in berlin like this now... rents are so much more expensive now and it’s very hard to get one (even though it’s overpriced)
I hope they do Dublin, one of the craziest places to Rent at them moment in the world.
Everything I know about Berlin, I learned in Euro Trip.
you are so cultured
Everything I know about our world, I learned on You Tube. I've never even been outside. Really!
Nie wieder Berlin!
Then you learned about Bavaria and not Berlin xD
My brother lived in Berlin for 2 years, we are from LA and had nothing but praises for this city I hope to one day visit and enjoy this wonderful city as well.
sweet thanks for this, im planning on moving there and it gives me some pricing for what i'll need
is that 40K income after deductions (tax, pension, insurance, etc)?
I think I pissed on the bathroom sink there a while back.
Love how they put an annotation over the text regarding their income.. 🙄 seriously..
in izmir my neighbor is selling his property for 2 mio € and its just a small house so crazy but i was living in germany as well and its expensive too at least in munich and hamburg
I was surprised that all of the menu boards and signs were in english. Seems kinda rude to not have at least some of it in german underneath the english tbh.
Armando Montoya actually I read Berliners are complaining about expat cafes/restaurants where no one speaks german but only English. How very American.
Yeah, its awful. German first, English underneath. Typical colonial, arrogant attitude of all English speakers.
Is there someone who lives in Berlin?
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Yes me. I live in berlin for 26 years. And it isn't like he described the city
@@yeahbutontheotherhand we need more long term local perspectives...*hunts for other videos*
can you do cost of living case study on a suburb like Zephyrhills, FL?
I was on Berlin on vacation during my reading week and I fell in love with it. The people are so kind and helpful , the sights are beautiful , the food and diversity of restaurants id spectacular ( DONER KABABS ARE AWESOME), and it can be pretty inexpensive if you look in the right places. Im going there again later in the year and i cant wait .🎉
Let’s face it, more often than not, “artists” are going to starve in almost any city in the world. Only reason this guys isn’t is because of the business he’s got. Rally hard to mess up a bar as long as you got capital and some regulars. Vice can we please see this series in the perspectives of working class professionals that actually have a standing chance to score a work visa in another developed country?
Ryan C
Depends on the artist, could specify what kind of artists do you mean?
I know personally a couple of artists who find a job in their special field and make a comfortable living.
Photographer, artist (drawnings), musician and 2 writer who found kinda quickly a work.
Combined annual wage of of 35 000 euros is actually below the average wage in Germany so I'm not sure what you're talking about.
That's not true. I know plenty of mediocre artists that manage to make a great living. Kinda wish they would have went into a different field so the real artists could have more...
Being working class in Berlin is better than any other European or American major city. It's just a hella lot more affordable while the wages are only marginally lower than elsewhere.
Making a go of a bar is incredibly difficult, most go bust, most never make a profit and if lucky manage to just about cover costs.
Video was ok but prices for rents are a little off. I'd estimate his place would be closer to 1175 Euros now, not 980. Prices are going up really fast. Something like 20% a year.
That place now, at least 1500/month, more likely 2000.
You should continue this series
Do Toronto next please
We need one of these on Vancouver
I'm from Porto Portugal, and my dream is to soon move to Berlin. I want to feel connected with the arts all over the place. it looks like paradise to me. I enjoyed Cologne/Koln, but there's something about Berlin. Wish me luck
yes I hope your dream will become true!
They're rent is very low. It is uncommon, normally it would be around 1500-2000 Euros.
Nope more like 1000-1400
@@PodcastCentral333 yeah if you rented it 5-10 years ago
@@aga2353 nope. I see 2 bedroom places for 1200 everywhere. Perhaps just not Kreuzberg
Having lived in Boston, I don’t think your public transit is expensive. Good 24 hour service isn’t available most places. Everytime I tried to get to a doctors appointment the engine would catch fire or someone would jump into the train and you’d be waiting for ages while they pulled them out of the track.
Cool Guy. Great teamwork mentality husband and wife. I wish him nothing but the best
He is living with is gf in such a big space?! what a waste! so many families would die to have a big flat like that
Cant hate the player. Hate the game
Why pay the same price for 40m2 if he can have a 90m2 flat?!
Pros and cons with every city. It is a transit city, not a lot of people can take it long term. It's not really a place where one stays for the rest of your life. It's a great place to be an artist and some perks for having kids, but the winters are brutal! One can not truly understand it until you go through one. It's not even that it's so cold, it's the lack of sun and blue skies.
I live in Amsterdam and it's the same, as well as uk and many other places in northern europe... For same reason it's the trade off when you want to live in a country with a good economy, especially here in europe
can you do more cities
Could you add a total monthly sum at the end
I live in Berlin my whole life and I really love this city! It's so green, cultural, vibrant and enjoyable, you always find new spots, public transport is great, there are cultural events everywhere... I think I won't move out here so fast :)
You guys should like make a video on the cost of living in Hawaii
*Rumi* before or After The Catastrophy?
not surprised it's cheap. i was stationed down south by Nurnberg and everything was dirt cheap.
Oh geeze. Vice, by posting this video you have now created an influx of people
20k a year as a "business" owner no thanks...
he cant say he is making 200 k, for fear IRS will knock on his door the next day,
I want to move to Berlin for the techno
Please do Sydney (Australia)!!
I went to the Comedy Cafe while in Berlin and it was great! Hilarious improv night.
Breakfast is mostly soy. For lunch, soy. Dinner and supper is soy.
Big 3ye lighten up.
Rob Hand fake news
Millennials am I right?
Do Zurich and Vienna next!
Damn so affordable compared to the Bay Area and NYC area!
Why is there a cross over the Portuguese flag at 2:08?
Miguel Henriques They don’t have tour guides who speak Portuguese
it is a city bus for tourists and they dont provide portuguese tours anymore :D
Tourbus doesnt include Portuguese info anymore, maybe.
Portugal defeated Germany in WWII and the Germans have never forgotten.
he the type of dude that slams a door and slide down it after a date
I don't understand... can you translate to proper english?
You got that from just four minutes of him talking about cost of living?
i have no fucking clue what that means and the fact that 43 people upvoted that comment worries me that im either too stupid to understand or 43 individuals should rather not breed
it's a typical cliche movie / tv show trope, of a character that usually comes home from a date or event, and are usually feeling sad and/or depressed, closes their front door after entering, only to lay their back onto it and slowly slides down, letting the overwhelming emotions consume them.
I love you
Could you do one of these on Toronto?
I lol'd but for the record this is sarcasm, right? ruin your great city too with an infomercial about how great it is... it's not like it'll cause mass migration really. I think most people are aware of how great toronto and berlin are.
I think they already did. I swear I saw one two months ago. Look it up on their channel.
150€ per month? Damn I feel lucky I pay 21€ in France
This is actually making me consider moving to Berlin
Just what Berlin needs, More feminist hipsters
LOL im not even Mexican 😂
Shay Garza Stay in portland, lesbian
Shut up, stop drugging and abusing women Bill
Shay Garza and Berlin would welcome you with open arms.
But get ready for German bureaucracy 🤭
for me, it‘s free, bc i live at my mom‘s house 😎
Me too haha
That's insane. I live in the far suburbs of D.C and the cost of living is higher here than a Euro capital city. We are being gouged in the States.
What is the name of the cafe.???
That is actually a simple, humble, lovely life.
Seems like the type of guy whose wife has a boyfriend...that he knows about.
You can see her boyfriend at 3:43
lol i bet the boyfirend is you!
Bestwick1983 seams like she knows he has a boyfriend too
She looks like a Lesbian, wouldn't be surprised if she was muff diving on the side.
She is ''boyfriend'' in that relationship.
*Do Malmo next please.*
0:50 rents here are horrendous and getting your own flat is nearly impossible working a casual job and living alone