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@@elisabethacronqvist7859 Exactly!! What I love about this episode is how it makes you feel for Ardyn. Those last moments embody the despair one might feel when they are betrayed inspite of their truest intentions. It's a very human story.
@@psynumb in my country people said that no one can hurts you worse than the relatives.when your brother cut you with an axe between your shoulders (metaforically speaking) and betrayed you - this is the most painful thing you can feel
Honestly he surpassed three of my favorite villains with this, Kuja, Sephiroth and ESPECIALLY Kefka. In a way he's a great combination of many of final fantasy's great villains. I found it funny how we got the see things from the villain's perspective. In knowing that chosen one will eventually killed the Demon Lord and bring about a new golden age plotline was not only told to him. But that "he was destined to BE SAID DEMON LORD ( how f***** up is it to be told that your life was literally a joke, a Divine Comedy of the Gods who didn't inform you that you were destined for failure until all The Misfortune they set up to assure you go down that route almost bites them in the ass and that you went off script and almost killed the father of said Future Chosen One before he could conceive said Chosen One is when they finally decide to f****** tell you something). I like this because this is a lot better than the robot God b******* that was in Final Fantasy 13! Where the robot Gods didn't even bother to explain anything and acted like their plans were infallible, only because the heroes were so stupid that they ended up implementing the plan they were trying to stop even when it was painfully obvious not going along with the plan would have been their best way of giving a f*** you to the robot God's seeing as they're screwed no matter what. Unless of course the writer had decide to explain specific things rather than using the badly made kodak's! Instead he would least explain or better show the Alternatives that the heroes could have used to defy their fate rather than implying in such a small small vague way like a stupid robot gods that we the audience have to dig in deep to actually find or at least make up an explanation for specific things! You should not rely on the audience making and fixing the story for you! But yeah I like how despite being divine long-lived and all that s*** the gods of final Fantasy 15 I like the f****** Greek gods, and that despite having such a pedigree they have a huge huge amount of flaws, especially when you take into mind Ifrit and Shiva, and how the two ended up switching roles one having actually like humans and wanting to help them and the other one holding them in contempt in treating them like insects to be squished! The role reversal being more of their extremes. The one who used to like the humans now believing they can never be redeemed and deserve to be wiped out as painfully and gruesomely as possible out of pure spite for one group of humans abusing his gifts! while the other went from just not giving a f*** about them in general to be more involved in trying to guide them. Of course that doesn't absolve her for her part in Bahamut stupid plan to fix her ex's stupid mistake that started to affect them, but hey at least some good came from her and her actions at least. I used to always look at those type of prophecies and think how f***** up is that for the one who has to be slain at the end to know that their entire life their entire existence was pretty much just to be a jobber! Honestly I have to ask who here wouldn't have done the same damn thing resist their fate if they discovered this. That's what makes him so damn good you give him a sympathetic backstory and show that he was a good guy and the only reason you became a villain was because he was always said to be the villain it didn't matter how he felt. Faith determined that you were the villain and so you will be one damn it no matter how much you try to defy that fate. I even believe that even if he chose to still continue to help people the world would still come after him like what happened when the Empire pretty much woke him up. The kingdom that his brother made specifically created a kill Squad to go after him if they ever discovered he was awakened to prevent him from causing harm. Even making the name that was meant to pretty much state that he doesn't exist as a Target identifier! That must have f****** sucked to wake up to to find out not only are you considered by your brother's blood line to be non-existent and that they pretty much wrote you out of the history books. But they've been planning on your return specifically to make certain the prophecy is fulfill whatever you want it to or not your feelings on the matter do not matter in the face of the greater good. And the worst thing is they don't even know about the prophecy, all they know is that you're dangerous and that they need to continue before you can do whatever evil they believe you're going to do even if you weren't even going to do any evil. And honestly reminded me of a anime series I forgot the name of it and I think other series have copied this as well but it pretty much had the main character be designated the villain and no matter how much good they did the suppose good guys always found some way to interpret their actions as evil or just a plan to do something evil later... Oh wait I do remember I'll get the last word of it wrong but it was called devil King daimao! Where the main character pretty much wanted to become the pope bar because of a stupid bird that tells people's prophecies they always come through saying that he will become the devil King, everybody always assumed his wall intention actions were always in the pursuit of being evil and bringing chaos. Even choosing to be the f****** janitor the class was perceived as taking out the trash in exactly the meaning you're thinking of right now when you say that! In that scenario I think it was the presumption that chaos bad order good! In the people who believed he would be bad for the world if he became devil King wer thinking of oh, and not that balance is good and the chaos may not exactly be as bad as they believe it will be. And even then with the twist that the chaos he'll bring will actually be caused by everyone stupidly trying to stop him from bringing chaos forcing him to defend himself and those who he considers his friends who might be caught in the crossfire or just plain defend them. And well there you have it chaos! Now I sound like Butters when he's Professor Chaos LOL well this was great I think the writers may have shot themselves in the foot in me actually being happy for noctis's happy ending! In a funny way we can also see this as the writers being Party Poopers in a good way. Because how many times have we readers are the audience look deeper into Happy Endings and deconstruct the hell out of them! Like in this game's main ending yeah we help noctis get his happy ending in the afterlife with his big sister wife Luna LOL. But we only got this because we ended up being good little pawns to a prophecy. It made dings feel like a reverse of what Final Fantasy XIII try to make it plot point in a messy way, and that was defying fate. In this case the villain was trying to defy his fate just like the heroes of the 13 trilogy tried to do, and in the end paid very horribly because I've been hearing implications. Even after his defeat by noctis and the spirits of his brother and his brother's descendants before noctis, that he's still screwed even non-existence will never give him peace. Meaning Bahamut wasn't wrong in the bad ending where you defy him , that the big bad was in for a horrible horrible fate at the end if he didn't act like a good boy you know like noctis. The only good part you could say for the big bad is at least his brother's bloodline is gone with noctis death. but it ended up being hollow, though I take that as more of Revenge being meaningless in the end, because in the end nobody knows the true history! Meaning his brother and his brothers descendants are still going to be remembered as heroic kings and queens and he still going to remain forgotten. The last part I know he doesn't give a damn about, but the first part is the real kicker he might have given a damn about if he had thought about it!
@@paulman34340 Ardyn is better than sephiroth in my opinion, mainly because he was more developed character, he had feelings and his charisma is something else
Suddenly, I can't help but laugh at the irony of FFXV and how things turned out from its original planning. The XIII Trilogy was about defying fate and rebelling against oppressive gods and had a running theme with the color white. XV on the other hand, has arguably some of the most manipulative deities in the FF franchise who indirectly screwed EVERY character and almost all the major characters dress in black. And the whole story really does play like a Shakespearean tragedy.
Man, if it was true that Aera knew and just play the part, that makes me pity and respect Ardyn so much as a villain. This world is fucked up no doubt about it, but i just love it
I think Ardyn was in his breaking point at the end of his episode. I don't believe Aera knew his fate, only that he would be a chosen one. But she didn't know to what he was chosen. Devastating as it was for Ardyn, he had no faith to anything after he hears his ordained fate.
@@lahyte_5925 I want to say they were indeed in love, but i can't say it with full confident, if we rewatch that scene when Ardyn refuses the fate, Aera starts speaking that fate is inevitable, but if we listen careful we can hear and also assume that is Bahamut speaking through Aera making it look like even she was against Ardyn as well just to break him even more. However one can't tell for sure.
I wouldn't put it past Bahamut to twisting Aera's soul during the ending or just using an illusion of her. If XV's lore has taught us anything, it's that being an Oracle means being the Gods' bitch so to speak. Plus, Aera at the very least had the guts to rebel (since she went and told Somnus that he wasn't the king) unlike Luna so we can at least safely assume that Aera's feelings were genuine but since she's the Oracle, the puppet of the Gods... She was pretty much doomed to her fate from Day One like the rest of them.
Pretty ironic that Noctis is the real jester here. He doesn't know shit about the bigger picture involving the Astrals, he just blindly follows his path without questioning anything.
@@LuckiSir Noctis does know the truth by the end though, as does Ignis and probably the others as well. It's just that the choices presented to them are either to let Ardyn do as he wishes and leave the world in darkness for all eternity, or fulfill the prophesy as the gods wish it in order to restore light and hope to the world. Noct knows he was dealt a bad hand, same as Ardyn. The difference is that Ardyn chose to fight his fate in the end, even it meant everyone else was damned to eternal suffering as a result. By that point he was so furious with the world that he wanted everyone to suffer anyway. Noctis chose the other path, taking on his unfair destiny and accepting death so that his people could find happiness.
@@DevilHunter1994 This is why he is true King of Kings like noone other. We know Somnus got his envy plans and build Insomnia\things... wtf. The only one that we dont know is Regis but he for sure know only about Noctis to rise him and Adagium nothing more there to say. Still even i would love to see more Luna as She was mention and killed by Ardyn even less story of her then Aera which showed they relationship more then Luna&Noct but i guess from what i have read Tenebra Fleuret line was always with Insomnia Lucis most of time. Dont know about Regis or Somnus in that regard.
@@Ae7heriumoh shit I just realized this is like final fantasy 1 where the lufenians tell the warriors of light kill this knight that is very evil but it turns out garland was just fucked by the lufenians in ffxv bahamut is like go slay this dude that is very evil and then kill yourself but it turns out ardyn was actually fucked by bahamut
The Gods plan is simply to create a story of light conquers evil by help of the Gods intervention; a story to be passed down history to remind everyone of how "benevolent the Gods were by helping erase the starscourge". In that way, they can make certain that future generations on Eos will continue to believe in them, insuring their existence for time eternal. Erasing an entire bloodline and creating evil out of an honest man, simply so the Gods can continue reign supreme in the hearts of man.
The gods in this game work for the ultimate salvation of Eos. Utopia. The thing Eos never was with men rebelling against gods and practicing evil like Niflheim. There was no lasting peace to be had. So there had to be sacrifices. Ardyn to take in all the dark so that the dark would be defeated entirely by the newly chosen king.
I thought the plan was to do whatever necessary to purge the Scourge from Eos. I mean, this is something so bad that it can corrupt gods, as demonstrated by poor Ifrit. They didn't screw humanity to be worshiped as kind, they screwed humanity to save their own butts from decay and demise.
It was supposed to lead to that, there were a lot of implications in interviews of Noctis and Luna going against the gods, but Ardyn's DLC is only the first part of that ending. Thanks for nothing Square.
The gods just want to be entertained. Bahamut: You will do this and- Ardyn: Wait what is the point. Bahamut: He will become a beacon and lead Ardyn: Yeah, but then die and wouldn’t there be a ton of darkness that kills who knows how many and, Wait! Ardyn: Have you done this before? Destroyed everything that was in the world and then choose a new champion only to repeat everything. Bahamut: Mere mortal you dare to accuse me of being incompetent. Ardyn: No I am saying you are a dick
Thr Astrals have no similarities with other gods of God of War and other games were they are evil. They didn't created the Starscourge. They were not all-powerful to end the evil. And they are gods, the worse part of the process must be done by mortals, because Humanity was created to carry the gods's burdens.
Noctis: Off my chair jester, the king sits there One of my favorite line in the game before but then I learned about Ardyn's story... Damn, Ardyn was the true and rightful king of Lucis. Now I hate that line now.
Akshay Karthik FFXV Bahamut is the biggest troll in the universe. Tells Ardyn to accept his role at the evil of the world then gets Noctis to kill Ardyn/himself.
If only someone had been there for him, to pull him out of his deepest, darkest thoughts, but Ardyn was left truly alone. Abandoned by fate, the gods, his family and the very people he condemned himself to save. Aera loved him with all her heart, but now the memory of his fiancee has been tainted by Bahamut. He never deserved this.
You can hear the madness, Joy, anger, and grief in it all at once. Darin de Paul did an incredible job with this character. He gave this game so much life and personality.
This is all that happened when Ardyn let the noctis kill him only to destroy the ring but failed and his soul caused the ardyn to live and so arose the episode of ardyn.
Might be the entire point. Ardyn's damned if he does...and damned if he doesn't. The only way this ending is better is that it spares him the sight of the love of his life torturing him and telling him to submit to fate.
It does matter. Because he let Regis live, its only a matter of time before Noctis crosses over with the best Godkillers around. He's already met Akuma who knows Asura, soon he'll meet BOY.
"But a day, shall arise, when the dark dragon's lies, Will be silenced forever and then! Fair Eos will be free from foul Bahamut's maw! Dragonborn be the savior of men!" ―Song of the Dragonborn
Proof that Bahamuth is a incompetent bastard. Rather pits up humans against each-other then admit he made a mistake and clean it up himself. And instead of informing Ardyn of his plan on beforehand, no lets just leave him chained up for the better part of a whole 2000 years without knowing why or what. Good job Bahamuth, you are by far the most incompetent god in games, movies or stories I've ever seen.
Assuming they even could. The Olympians were present in the physical realm in GOW for the most part. The Astrals seem to inhabit plane of existence beyond the physical realm in 15's universe.
@@Spartan-343 Basically their true form is the major stars in Eos's astronomy. They project "temporary" forms here. Some longer than others; given their task. Thousands of years is a dayjob shift for Titan. Shiva battled in the terrestrial plane and died, so a physical corpse lay because it wasn't destroyed; kind of like an ethereal lobster's shed carapace. Eos was supposedly stuck in the volcano and exists as an indefinite bonpyre (her rising ashes being the prime source of the Starscourge.) So yeah, any god who can project physical form is good to go on Eos.
@@mr.voidout4739 So Kratos couldn't really do anything to them then not Ardyn for that matter. Thanks for clarifying for me. I've yet to play 15 so I don't know all the lore surrounding it.
It's pretty well played that we have two endings that end up in the same, but give Ardyn a different tone: If he accepts his fate, he plays his part and becomes daemonized, going all the way in, scheming and manipulating to, in the end, be freed of his tragic fate Ending 2: Ardyn despises his fate, resists, and so he becomes daemonized, and puts his plan into motion as a revenge to both gods, Aera and Lucis lineage. With the ending, after the choice, we have the same cutscene, but a different tone One is Ardyn playing his part and as a declaration he "kills" Aera and Somnus The second has Ardyn going mad and refusing Aera and Somnus
Not really. God offers salvation and hope to all of us, we aren't here just to let destruction take us over. God has us in His hands. get to know Him, We all will meet God the Holy Creator one day ( Hebrews 9;27) and He's being merciful by giving us all time to get right with Him before judgement day, because when judgement day comes you get no second chances. God came as Jesus in the flesh to go and pay our sin debt on the cross, we deserve hell we deserve to take our punishment but in His great love and mercy He took our punishment and sins to the cross. He died and paid for our sin debt in full ( John 19:30) then God the Father rose Jesus on the third day with glory and power and triumph and He conquered hell and sin and death and even broke down the wall that separated us from Him so we can come to Him and be saved and have a relationship with Him. believe and repent of your sins and God will forgive and cleanse you and make you born again by His Holy Spirit ( John 3). today is the day of salvation, you don't know what day or hour or minute or even second you'll die. don't choose sin over a Holy loving God. come to Jesus! believe and repent ( 1 Cor 6:9-10, Romans 3:23, John 3:15-18, Rom 10:9-14, NKJV).
that's funny - in most FF games, the final boss ends up being some douchelord god that you kill to 'defy your fate' where you walk into the sunset happily after. whereas FF15 is like an alternative where you don't kill the gods and everyone gets finessed by them and suffers immensely.
I don't see this way, they didn't created the Starscourge. It was the way they found to end the disease. As they didn't had the power to destroy it, they created the royal family to accumulate power and through the last king destroy the menace. If there was another way, they would have did it.
@@Aomegeus sure they didn't create it, but as gods - was creating two bloodlines to take the fall for it really their only option? the point still stands that they doomed two entire bloodlines just for the sake to 'maybe' destroy the Starscourge. it being gone is not guaranteed as the disease was around long before Ardyn, so i doubt destroying Ardyn despite having absorbed alot of it into himself - would be the absolute end of it. so once again, the gods are dicks and this all happened because they said so.
@@StanDiggs You are wrong. What's the matter with the gods ending two families? They are gods, they created humans. They decided when every being will be born and die. So, they are assassins because they created mortality too? You are judging gods as if they are humans, but they have a different role than you. Religion sell the faith in God as if it's a lovely father that must do all that people want. But the truth is that everyone is here to serve his plan and he have no obligation to help you.
This is the few times I’ve actually felt sympathy for a villain, and you know they developed a good character when you feel sympathy for them. The first time I felt sympathy for a villain was Golbez, since he just wanted to be with his brother, but his sins seem to be overwhelming. Ardyn was just screwed over and told it was fate, so I would be very angry about that too.
Its especially tragic as the way the animated prologue of his past showed suggests Aera truly didn't know and was surprised when Somnus declared himself King. Bahamut set this up just right that no matter the choice he makes Aera out as someone who was using him all along, while her appearance early on was likely the real her and realized her telling Somnus Ardyn was to be King was a mistake on her part.
@BlackfangDragon, This makes me think that the gods just played everyone and beat them all up and were like WHOOPS TIME TO FIX. But yeah, Aera really puzzles me. Did Somnus weasel it out of Aera that Ardyn was to be King? Or did Aera actually see Ardyn becoming the darkness when previously she was told she was going to be king? I'm really confused. I also really like the Aera we see in the prologue. This Aera....not so much. This one just confuses me to no end. I think it's also because we don't see the real Aera for at least part of it...maybe?
Aomegeus who the hell are you referring to? The gods? I know damn well they did that and I referred to it in my first paragraph, albeit vaguely. It was a generalization because the gods fuck everything up, and demand humans fix it. Starscourge included. So don’t tell me I’m wrong just because I wasn’t specific enough to your liking. I felt my generalization was clear enough.
It seems even Somnus was playing the part given to him by the gods. When fighting him in the DLC it seemed he really didn't WANT to do what he did, but he had to because the prophesy demanded that his brother be made into a monster for the chosen King to slay.
@@DevilHunter1994 Somnus also said in the same breath that he was jealous of his brother's popularity and felt he had nothing to stand on, and he wanted to be "great." He outright admits that he robbed Ardyn of his role in the worst way possible. So don't forgive Somnus in this either.
@@acefreak9561 Yup but the concept art shows a grown up Noctis, Luna and the gang, their kids and a happy uncle ardyn. So im pretty sure episode nocits was probably gonna be the "For true story" ending.
Crazy how Ardyn knew his and Noctis's fate from the start, Before Noctis was even born. Ardyn definitely has one of the more tragic backstories I've heard. It's one thing to live a lifetime of suffering, But Ardyn has suffered over 20x that amount only to learn he couldn't escape it no matter what. Doesn't matter how strong you are, That amount of pain & misery would drive anybody mad.
The gods in this story really annoy me, even more so since the message of XV is now basically; "Submit to a higher authority because they know better than you do, there is no forging your own destiny or changing ones seemingly inevitable fate, just do what the gods tell you like a good little boy." I hope in that alternate ending that we'll never see (in game form anyway) that Noctis just tells the gods to fuck off and he'll be doing things his way.
To be fair, a deity would typically have a much higher understanding than even the most intelligent and wise of all humanity. Humans thinking they are on par with deities is arrogance to the extreme. We are not gods nor even remotely close to that level of being. But this is final fantasy....so the gods will be incompetent and weak enough for a mammal wielding a freaking sword can somehow kill them.
It makes the way he flawlessly dodged the swords the next time that much funnier since he's probably like "Not this time fucker" until Noct comes in for the finishing blow.
Me: "Man, Ardyn's a prick." People: "His DLC makes him really sympathetic." Me: "I'll believe it when I see it." *sees Episode Ardyn cutscenes* Me: "...Okay, I believe it."
He is a prick. Tareda shat on Tabata's work and turned him into a good guy done dirty. Completely washing him of his crimes and pinning the blame on the Gods. Cheap, amateurish storytelling.
Th0r0 Shvener I mean ignoring Versus FFXII the goal since the beginning of the rework was for Behemoth to be the real villain, so Ardyn is really a good guy gone wrong
Holy shit, it fits perfectly how either ending leads to the same outcome, nothing matters, he actually wanted to cover everything In darkness just like the post ending scene shows and that's why he looked supriced when he was about to die on chapter 14 of noctis storyline, even whitout realization everything was planned, he completed his fate at the end... Also i have the theory that Aera as the oracle knew Ardyn was to become the lamb of darkness and die at the end and thought that by becoming the first king of Lucis this would have happened... That would explain why she decided to "defy" her fate by telling Somnus he will not be the king... In an attempt to prevent Ardyn's shitty fate.... Damn Nova crystallis had so much potential...
I enjoyed the video, I thank you for sharing. Though I have a miniscule amount of sympathy for the character since regardless of the fate forcefully bestowed on Ardyn, he killed many innocent people, encouraged Verstael to experiment on his clones and other people to create the Magitek, stabbed Lunafreya to provoke Noctis and emotionally/mentally abused Noctis and his friends for unjust reasons. If only Terada, the Director of this episode, chose a different route to clarify Ardyn's motivation and shared more to the story as why Ardyn would hide the truth from Aera regarding the starscourge and the vision Aera saw in more details. I think implementing new scenes to the main game to have Aera present and give her more scenes outside of the DLC. I thought that was odd more scenes and battles were included for other characters, but not Aera the first Oracle.
It is said the true king will have a power greater even then the gods...truly convenient for said gods that ‘fate’ would decree that both humans capable of such a title are slated to kill one another. Must have been a load off their minds. Fate is such a pretty little word. Far more palatable than SCHEME, wouldn’t you say?
Isn't it convenient? The gods needed to create entities greater than themselves to eradicate a threat greater than themselves, and if those entities were united as allies, the gods would become unnecessary to the world. But if those entities were somehow forever opposed in boundless hatred and determined to destroy each other, well. Time to brutally traumatize some dumb human psyches.
So.... In the end, we actually have 2 interpretations of Ardyn, 1 is the poor man playing his part, being the thing the gods wanted and the second is a mad man, who genuinely wants to end the world. The line doesn't help either: It can be both an affirmation to convince himself to be the darkness personified, and can also be a declaration against his fate so he is now totally evil ("Screw you gods, I'm gonna make the world my bitch") Laughter can also be a laugh because he can take it no more, or just he really has become crazy
MrPepe Dbz - I think it's neither. If Ardyn "Submits," he wonders if Aera kept this from him when she was alive, and then promptly gets pissed off at her. His last lines are him going "Nothing at all matters, no matter what I do everything just falls to shit, so I'm gonna make the world my bitch and see what I can fuck up." He just goes full blown misanthrope.
Would have really liked the alternative ending (not Ignis one that was crap and made no sense story wise) I wish Square had one more DLC left where we defied the gods and made them pay but instead we get this super sad ending. Ardyn was a good guy that truly wanted to help and Noctis didn't deserve to die but the gods in this were terrible and Ifrit was right all along. Really wish Ardyn had infected Bahumaut.
The Ignis ending was really about how he’s the only one who came to work that day. If he’d gotten to the altar five minutes earlier, he probably would’ve saved Luna too. Ignis’ SECRET fate is that he’d actually mess up Ardyn’s whole plan, because Bahamut plays both sides so that he always comes out on top.
@@insertname3919 I kind of like him though tbh. Yeah he a dick for allowing this to happen but at least he decided to stop the starscourge. Though I thought Ifrit created it but people keep saying the gods didn't create it.
Who knows, i was hoping u could play as Ardyn in the Noctis v. Ardyn boss fight and beat Noctis and have additional cutscenes, or find out what happens to Ardyn after the alternate ending to episode Ignis
@@Asian-ManX the alternate ending of the game would be the world being destroyed and fully consumed by the Starscourge. And Ardyn living forever alone.
Well the gods in here are basically the same gods from the fnc except reworked, they have different appearance but the same aspect. They love screwing people over FFXV is all about accepting your fate while XIII is about denying it amd change it, the aspect of versus xiii are still here in XV and nomura is salty that he didn't get to directed. he going to use kingdom hearts (Verum Rex is a reference to versus) to revitalize versus but knowing him it's going to be a mess, and people blame tabata for the status of XV while im reality nomura and square should be at fault. Nomura for taking his project too long and not prioritize his time right, square for not letting nomura to work on something else outside of kingdom hearts. Nomura has so many ideas, Kingdom hearts and versus are examples of that is just he just cant execute them well.
Nomura can atleast make gameplay that feels nice and snapy, tabatas gameplay always feels clunky and unresponsive plus nomuras final battles always turn crazy over the top i love it
>Nomura for taking his project too long and not prioritize his time right Uh... Nigga? Nomura's team kept being pulled from Versus' development schedule *BECAUSE* they were the only competent team in Square that could pull off shit. They pulled him and his team aside from Versus to fix the mess that was FF14 1.0. They kept bothering Nomura to sketch character designs for god how many projects from 2006 - 2014. And if THAT wasn't enough. You have him working on Versus AND KHIII, he already had the foundations laid yet what did the management do to him? Kicked him out of his own project because apparently, they got cold feet when the Lightning Trilogy flopped and Nomura said Versus has to be a trilogy in order to fully express the story. It's not that Nomura took too long with his project or did not prioritize his time right. It's that management itself was trash af and only saw Nomura as some money-making machine, not to mention they made too many stupid ass executive decisions. Nomura can't execute concepts well my ass: gematsu.com/2010/06/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-scenario-complete-confirms-dengeki
@@Stupefied66 he knows how come up with the ideas that sounds good on paper when it comes execute them it falls flat kingdom hearts is a perfect examples where he has too many ideas that work on their own but when combine together it falls apart the guy just wants make a cool looking game with a cool visual he doesn't care about coherent narrative he just want be people to be shock by his twist. Square thinks nomura is new sakaguchi of the company but nomura accomplishment is from advent children and kindgom hearts, a movie fanfiction of ffvii and a cross-over between square and disney. He just lucky that kingdom hearts is popular which showed us what kinda style of a writer-director he going to use but after seeing for so long i have no confidence in him.
@@aarontruong354 He doesn't know it's Ardyn. He knows it's "Adagium" but doesn't know who that is except ancient legends, and he doesn't see what he actually looks like, was my point.
@@aarontruong354 Though, I suppose Lucian guards had gone after Ardyn, on Angelguard, and at Verstael's lab. I guess they either knew what Ardyn looked like, or had some way of detecting him, maybe from his demonic qualities. Not sure on that one.
Basically ifrit created the starscourge, the other astrals banished him and wanted to get rid of the starscourge by making a vessel that is ardyn the adagium and using noctis the chosen king of light to get rid of all the starscourge once and for all. Damn
He didn’t actually create the starscourge technically. I believe it was formed in it of itself possibly, probably from the creation of eos but there is very little on the past of both eos and the starscourge.
In Kingsglaive movie Ardyn introduced himself to Regis. How on earth did Regis not recognize Ardyn? They have fight in this DLC, and Regis was aware of Adagium...? Anybody has an explanation for it?
I think it works fine actually. We know through Cid Sophiar that Regis knew the peace signing was bullshit from the start, so it probably didn't surprise him to see Ardyn with Niflheim. "Don't kid yourself ... Lucis got dealt a losing hand, and your old man played it the best he could." Which now that i think about it, this line fits perfectly with Ardyn's episode and Bahamuts dialogue.
@@Ae7herium Hm basically he pretended he did not have any connection to Ardyn before. It could make sense just how would i say, not a normal human reaction to see someone again who defeated you X years ago, and comes to your place to offer a shitty peace signing. Anyway i could live with that its just odd for me...
Ardyn was still disguised mostly as a Lucian officer. Narratively they just show us his true form so we can see the character but most likely Ardyn was still only appearing as the officer to Regis even when fighting him.
Here’s a Theory that I had in my head why did the gods need humans to stop the star scourge didn’t could just destroy so maybe the gods feared the scourge because it corrupts everything even because Ifrit was infected then got controlled by ardyn so maybe that’s why bahamut had to make ardyn the lamb
The dawn of the future novel finishes off this story nicely where Noctis, Ardyn and the rest of the Astrals work together to take down this psychopathic bahamut. Which was intended to be the definitive ending and the following dlc to this one but was canceled. Great job Square. After all those years of devolping this game and the countless different media and the drama involving this game's devolpment. They decided to skip on the ending. How ironic. FfXV, the game that was never finished.
What I don't understand is why even though this is the "Submit Ending", he goes right back on his word at the epilogue there, swearing the same thing in the "Defy Ending" which is way more appropriate setup given his demeanour in that one.
I wonder after his death at the end of ffxv what will be his reaction when he enters the afterlife and meets with aera and sommnus will he be happy seeing them or angered at their presence
@@theblade1251 Aera really should've grown a spine and just spilled the beans to her fiancee then and there. But nope, she had to go tell Somnus instead. Whoop-de-fucking-doo boys.
This game needed a DLC where these corrupt gods get taken down. I was hoping Noct would actually 1 up the gods last minute & help Ardyn in the end of the main game. Really FF15 had villainous gods & defeating Ardyn was hard because you (the player) were doing the wrote thing & you (the player) knew it. That said... FF games need to do more games where we play as the Villian. See their perspective, & just get to be bad. Not every cillian needs to be sympathetic though. Just let us be bad. Would love Sephiroth DLC, Kefka DLC, Exdeath DLC, etc; all with alternate endings where they "win". Just as a: "Here's what would happen if they had won."
Good thing I waited to play this first I plan on write fanfic where noctis basically save/cure Arryn from his curse with the combined powers of king of Lucius
And thus did the scions of the crystals fulfill their calling ordained by the Crystal. Using man to undertake this ordeal, they were forced to serve as fodders to purge the Star of its scourge.
I love how the choice doesn't even matter. He still goes mad and plans to kill Noctis and put the entire world into darkness forever. Best FF villain, no doubt.
Then the starscourge continues to spread and Ardyn lives a life of misery where everything around him dies and he'll never have the embrace of death to end his suffering. Ardyn never really had a choice.
If Ardyn didn't seek Noctis out than eventually Noctis would be the one to seek him out. No matter what the Chosen King has to destroy the Scourge and that means a clash with Ardyn would have to happen eventually. Ardyn trying to avoid it would just delay the inevitable.
Stupid Bahamut. That thing is the real Demon. Basically its about a Crystal wich acts as a transponder cell phone to the gods. And only the Lucis, im sorry the Uchia clan can use. They can contact Bahamut and get quests from, wich sucks. And the other younger brother thought that sitting in a throne would make him powerful wich it fucking did. He abused that shit. And now Prince Sasuke, i mean Noctis who suffer almost the same fate as Ardyn. Has to fight each other on a bloddy level. I have lost memory from how the dark scurge or whatever is called came to be. But the true villian who planted that scurge should be the one to die.
And to think that Noctis, the main good guy have it wayyyyyy more easy than the villain himself. Ardyn have to suffer 2000 years in darkness before he was freed. Meanwhile noctis only spent mere 10 years to accumulate his power. Ardyn has nobody while Noctis has his 4 buddies. The fate ordained for Ardyn is a sinful path that he formerly didn't want to tread, a path that will make people loathe him as a villain. Meanwhile noctis fate is path of a hero and king, a prideful path that will make people hail him as a hero of mankind. Granted that it cost his own life, but at least noctis died as a brave proud king, meanwhile ardyn die as a sinful villain.
I don’t understand why Ardyn was fated to be a sacrifice. The gods literally declared the Lucis bloodline to be the saviors yet the took a innocent Lucian and stuck him with the most bs fate. And the fact is this entire game didn’t even have to exist because the fact is that Ardyn was already predestined to lose just off the fact that it was him vs the king of kings and his royal arms, his royal guards, and 5 gods.
The answer is in a tie-in novel. Basically none of this was actually fate, it was just Bahamut wanting to drive humanity to extinction because he saw it as a blight upon the world. Regardless if Ardyn won or Noct won, most of humanity would be destroyed by the conflict.
Or just have a new game in general but with the same idea. heh imagine that. *Beats final boss* Main Pro: Ahh another era of light and peace in the world shall come forth, after a long fight against [Insert main bad guy here]. now and forever the gods, Bahamut and I shall watch over th- Ardyn: *Materializes from thin air* DID SOME SAY BAHAMUT? THE GODS?! YOU! I don't know you but... i HATE YOU TOO! Prepare to die!
Actually, there's talk from Luminous that it will probably return to "high fantasy" themes. Modernness has been a theme for a decade now (sans XIV.) I imagine something closer to IX will be the next result. Anything to do with wrapping up XV will definitely be tagged as such.
Due to my love of history, even literature and stories in video games in terms of the entire story through research, I can understand some points of the story that some may had overlooked. The Astral didn't handle the starscrouge or either directly interfere might be because of limitations; not wanting humanity to be over dependant over gods, since progress won't go anywhere at this rate. Second regarding Ardyn and Sommus actions in the prologue, in which I compare it with history and reading the Fate/Grand Order materials. Imagine how to handle a situation, with a solution either being short or long term. Some ideas might be good but dosen't last for long that the problem will resurface. Kind of like finding out the future effects of past actions, a balancing act between choice and future outcomes.
@@user-fv7jd4xj5n that's because No would ever want Ardyn getting a good ending where he wins because there isn't one the scourge, wpuld of destroyed everything
*”Truth is, the game was rigged from the start.”*
The way he yells "Answer meeeeee" is soooo painful and real. It breaks my heart!!
Same with me,poor Ardyn :'(
@@elisabethacronqvist7859 now I feel worst
@@elisabethacronqvist7859 Exactly!! What I love about this episode is how it makes you feel for Ardyn. Those last moments embody the despair one might feel when they are betrayed inspite of their truest intentions. It's a very human story.
@@psynumb in my country people said that no one can hurts you worse than the relatives.when your brother cut you with an axe between your shoulders (metaforically speaking) and betrayed you - this is the most painful thing you can feel
He must feel... so damn alone.
With this DLC Ardyn definitely ended up becoming my favorite "villain" of any videogame.
Honestly he surpassed three of my favorite villains with this, Kuja, Sephiroth and ESPECIALLY Kefka.
In a way he's a great combination of many of final fantasy's great villains. I found it funny how we got the see things from the villain's perspective.
In knowing that chosen one will eventually killed the Demon Lord and bring about a new golden age plotline was not only told to him. But that "he was destined to BE SAID DEMON LORD ( how f***** up is it to be told that your life was literally a joke, a Divine Comedy of the Gods who didn't inform you that you were destined for failure until all The Misfortune they set up to assure you go down that route almost bites them in the ass and that you went off script and almost killed the father of said Future Chosen One before he could conceive said Chosen One is when they finally decide to f****** tell you something).
I like this because this is a lot better than the robot God b******* that was in Final Fantasy 13! Where the robot Gods didn't even bother to explain anything and acted like their plans were infallible, only because the heroes were so stupid that they ended up implementing the plan they were trying to stop even when it was painfully obvious not going along with the plan would have been their best way of giving a f*** you to the robot God's seeing as they're screwed no matter what. Unless of course the writer had decide to explain specific things rather than using the badly made kodak's! Instead he would least explain or better show the Alternatives that the heroes could have used to defy their fate rather than implying in such a small small vague way like a stupid robot gods that we the audience have to dig in deep to actually find or at least make up an explanation for specific things! You should not rely on the audience making and fixing the story for you! But yeah I like how despite being divine long-lived and all that s*** the gods of final Fantasy 15 I like the f****** Greek gods, and that despite having such a pedigree they have a huge huge amount of flaws, especially when you take into mind Ifrit and Shiva, and how the two ended up switching roles one having actually like humans and wanting to help them and the other one holding them in contempt in treating them like insects to be squished! The role reversal being more of their extremes. The one who used to like the humans now believing they can never be redeemed and deserve to be wiped out as painfully and gruesomely as possible out of pure spite for one group of humans abusing his gifts! while the other went from just not giving a f*** about them in general to be more involved in trying to guide them. Of course that doesn't absolve her for her part in Bahamut stupid plan to fix her ex's stupid mistake that started to affect them, but hey at least some good came from her and her actions at least.
I used to always look at those type of prophecies and think how f***** up is that for the one who has to be slain at the end to know that their entire life their entire existence was pretty much just to be a jobber! Honestly I have to ask who here wouldn't have done the same damn thing resist their fate if they discovered this. That's what makes him so damn good you give him a sympathetic backstory and show that he was a good guy and the only reason you became a villain was because he was always said to be the villain it didn't matter how he felt. Faith determined that you were the villain and so you will be one damn it no matter how much you try to defy that fate. I even believe that even if he chose to still continue to help people the world would still come after him like what happened when the Empire pretty much woke him up.
The kingdom that his brother made specifically created a kill Squad to go after him if they ever discovered he was awakened to prevent him from causing harm. Even making the name that was meant to pretty much state that he doesn't exist as a Target identifier! That must have f****** sucked to wake up to to find out not only are you considered by your brother's blood line to be non-existent and that they pretty much wrote you out of the history books. But they've been planning on your return specifically to make certain the prophecy is fulfill whatever you want it to or not your feelings on the matter do not matter in the face of the greater good.
And the worst thing is they don't even know about the prophecy, all they know is that you're dangerous and that they need to continue before you can do whatever evil they believe you're going to do even if you weren't even going to do any evil. And honestly reminded me of a anime series I forgot the name of it and I think other series have copied this as well but it pretty much had the main character be designated the villain and no matter how much good they did the suppose good guys always found some way to interpret their actions as evil or just a plan to do something evil later... Oh wait I do remember I'll get the last word of it wrong but it was called devil King daimao! Where the main character pretty much wanted to become the pope bar because of a stupid bird that tells people's prophecies they always come through saying that he will become the devil King, everybody always assumed his wall intention actions were always in the pursuit of being evil and bringing chaos. Even choosing to be the f****** janitor the class was perceived as taking out the trash in exactly the meaning you're thinking of right now when you say that! In that scenario I think it was the presumption that chaos bad order good! In the people who believed he would be bad for the world if he became devil King wer thinking of oh, and not that balance is good and the chaos may not exactly be as bad as they believe it will be. And even then with the twist that the chaos he'll bring will actually be caused by everyone stupidly trying to stop him from bringing chaos forcing him to defend himself and those who he considers his friends who might be caught in the crossfire or just plain defend them. And well there you have it chaos! Now I sound like Butters when he's Professor Chaos LOL
well this was great I think the writers may have shot themselves in the foot in me actually being happy for noctis's happy ending! In a funny way we can also see this as the writers being Party Poopers in a good way. Because how many times have we readers are the audience look deeper into Happy Endings and deconstruct the hell out of them! Like in this game's main ending yeah we help noctis get his happy ending in the afterlife with his big sister wife Luna LOL. But we only got this because we ended up being good little pawns to a prophecy. It made dings feel like a reverse of what Final Fantasy XIII try to make it plot point in a messy way, and that was defying fate. In this case the villain was trying to defy his fate just like the heroes of the 13 trilogy tried to do, and in the end paid very horribly because I've been hearing implications. Even after his defeat by noctis and the spirits of his brother and his brother's descendants before noctis, that he's still screwed even non-existence will never give him peace. Meaning Bahamut wasn't wrong in the bad ending where you defy him , that the big bad was in for a horrible horrible fate at the end if he didn't act like a good boy you know like noctis. The only good part you could say for the big bad is at least his brother's bloodline is gone with noctis death. but it ended up being hollow, though I take that as more of Revenge being meaningless in the end, because in the end nobody knows the true history! Meaning his brother and his brothers descendants are still going to be remembered as heroic kings and queens and he still going to remain forgotten. The last part I know he doesn't give a damn about, but the first part is the real kicker he might have given a damn about if he had thought about it!
@@paulman34340 agreed thats how ardyn kills noctis in episode ardyn.
paulman34340 k
I'm not sure whether to call him an anti hero or a villain tbh
@@paulman34340 Ardyn is better than sephiroth in my opinion, mainly because he was more developed character, he had feelings and his charisma is something else
Suddenly, I can't help but laugh at the irony of FFXV and how things turned out from its original planning. The XIII Trilogy was about defying fate and rebelling against oppressive gods and had a running theme with the color white. XV on the other hand, has arguably some of the most manipulative deities in the FF franchise who indirectly screwed EVERY character and almost all the major characters dress in black.
And the whole story really does play like a Shakespearean tragedy.
Final fantasy versus xiii us a series of Pain and oppression.
it is in fact a tragedy.
It's a tragedy how terrible this game is.
The Gods played them like a damn Fiddle!!!!
Good story, good plot, but gameplay.
Nah
Man, if it was true that Aera knew and just play the part, that makes me pity and respect Ardyn so much as a villain. This world is fucked up no doubt about it, but i just love it
So did Aera not love Ardyn, then??? They seemed madly in love together.
I think Ardyn was in his breaking point at the end of his episode. I don't believe Aera knew his fate, only that he would be a chosen one. But she didn't know to what he was chosen. Devastating as it was for Ardyn, he had no faith to anything after he hears his ordained fate.
@@lahyte_5925 I want to say they were indeed in love, but i can't say it with full confident, if we rewatch that scene when Ardyn refuses the fate, Aera starts speaking that fate is inevitable, but if we listen careful we can hear and also assume that is Bahamut speaking through Aera making it look like even she was against Ardyn as well just to break him even more. However one can't tell for sure.
To me the gods are the true villains of FFXV.
I wouldn't put it past Bahamut to twisting Aera's soul during the ending or just using an illusion of her. If XV's lore has taught us anything, it's that being an Oracle means being the Gods' bitch so to speak. Plus, Aera at the very least had the guts to rebel (since she went and told Somnus that he wasn't the king) unlike Luna so we can at least safely assume that Aera's feelings were genuine but since she's the Oracle, the puppet of the Gods... She was pretty much doomed to her fate from Day One like the rest of them.
"Off my chair, jester. The King sits there."
Yes he does, Oh King of Light. Before you sits the King of Darkness.
Pretty ironic that Noctis is the real jester here. He doesn't know shit about the bigger picture involving the Astrals, he just blindly follows his path without questioning anything.
@@Ae7herium I almost feel sorry for him, he along with the other 3 would've definitely had second thoughts if they discovered the truth.
@@LuckiSir Noctis does know the truth by the end though, as does Ignis and probably the others as well. It's just that the choices presented to them are either to let Ardyn do as he wishes and leave the world in darkness for all eternity, or fulfill the prophesy as the gods wish it in order to restore light and hope to the world. Noct knows he was dealt a bad hand, same as Ardyn. The difference is that Ardyn chose to fight his fate in the end, even it meant everyone else was damned to eternal suffering as a result. By that point he was so furious with the world that he wanted everyone to suffer anyway. Noctis chose the other path, taking on his unfair destiny and accepting death so that his people could find happiness.
@@DevilHunter1994 This is why he is true King of Kings like noone other. We know Somnus got his envy plans and build Insomnia\things... wtf. The only one that we dont know is Regis but he for sure know only about Noctis to rise him and Adagium nothing more there to say. Still even i would love to see more Luna as She was mention and killed by Ardyn even less story of her then Aera which showed they relationship more then Luna&Noct but i guess from what i have read Tenebra Fleuret line was always with Insomnia Lucis most of time. Dont know about Regis or Somnus in that regard.
@@Ae7heriumoh shit I just realized this is like final fantasy 1 where the lufenians tell the warriors of light kill this knight that is very evil but it turns out garland was just fucked by the lufenians in ffxv bahamut is like go slay this dude that is very evil and then kill yourself but it turns out ardyn was actually fucked by bahamut
The Gods plan is simply to create a story of light conquers evil by help of the Gods intervention; a story to be passed down history to remind everyone of how "benevolent the Gods were by helping erase the starscourge". In that way, they can make certain that future generations on Eos will continue to believe in them, insuring their existence for time eternal. Erasing an entire bloodline and creating evil out of an honest man, simply so the Gods can continue reign supreme in the hearts of man.
In this regard, Ardyns priorities should shift.
DEATH TO THE ASTRALS!
THE REIGN OF OLYM- ehm THE FALSE GODS SHALL END!
RIGHT HERE! RIGHT NOW!
@@ThanatosZero Kratos be like:
"Hm, I see you're a man of culture as well"
The gods in this game work for the ultimate salvation of Eos. Utopia. The thing Eos never was with men rebelling against gods and practicing evil like Niflheim. There was no lasting peace to be had. So there had to be sacrifices. Ardyn to take in all the dark so that the dark would be defeated entirely by the newly chosen king.
I thought the plan was to do whatever necessary to purge the Scourge from Eos. I mean, this is something so bad that it can corrupt gods, as demonstrated by poor Ifrit. They didn't screw humanity to be worshiped as kind, they screwed humanity to save their own butts from decay and demise.
@@DarkManifest I think they tried to save everyone gods and humans alike
We need a god slayer ending... where ardyn and noctis takes down bahamut together...
It was supposed to lead to that, there were a lot of implications in interviews of Noctis and Luna going against the gods, but Ardyn's DLC is only the first part of that ending. Thanks for nothing Square.
The novel thats out is pretty much this
@@theskullman0 I would have loved if that was the whole game. Would have given more development to Ardyn and Luna throughout the whole game.
it was supposed to be in the next DLC, i believe Luna DLC but it gets canceled; however, you will find it in novel
We needed an ending where ardyn kills noctis, fuck the lucis bloodline after this dlc
The gods just want to be entertained.
Bahamut: You will do this and-
Ardyn: Wait what is the point.
Bahamut: He will become a beacon and lead
Ardyn: Yeah, but then die and wouldn’t there be a ton of darkness that kills who knows how many and, Wait!
Ardyn: Have you done this before? Destroyed everything that was in the world and then choose a new champion only to repeat everything.
Bahamut: Mere mortal you dare to accuse me of being incompetent.
Ardyn: No I am saying you are a dick
I mean he uses swords, but god of swords might not mean what you think it does
Bahamut : "Shut up ! I'm ancient and wise, dangnammit ! "
Ifrit was right all along
Basically kotor 2.
Ardyn: Like, a REAAAALLY BIG DICK, of Godly proportions
I knew it!
The gods were playing the both of them the whole time.
All of us are just toys in the Gods hands.and this is not a video game plot.this is reality
So basically whatever the gods say goes.
@@adamclark8994 Gods are naughty children,who loves to play wicked games.
Sonya Cronkvist makes sense, they’re beings with infinite power and wisdom, they toy with us to keep themselves entertained
Thr Astrals have no similarities with other gods of God of War and other games were they are evil. They didn't created the Starscourge. They were not all-powerful to end the evil. And they are gods, the worse part of the process must be done by mortals, because Humanity was created to carry the gods's burdens.
Noctis: Off my chair jester, the king sits there
One of my favorite line in the game before but then I learned about Ardyn's story...
Damn, Ardyn was the true and rightful king of Lucis. Now I hate that line now.
Gods fooled Noctis just like they fooled Ardyn
I mean noctis didnt rly know what happened to ardyn. Honestly they both should hv destroyed bahamut
Ardyn says to noctis this "I'm your great great great great uncle and my brother is a dick"
Akshay Karthik FFXV Bahamut is the biggest troll in the universe. Tells Ardyn to accept his role at the evil of the world then gets Noctis to kill Ardyn/himself.
@@akshaykarthik928 bahamut is the real villain of this game
If only someone had been there for him, to pull him out of his deepest, darkest thoughts, but Ardyn was left truly alone. Abandoned by fate, the gods, his family and the very people he condemned himself to save.
Aera loved him with all her heart, but now the memory of his fiancee has been tainted by Bahamut.
He never deserved this.
"The fate bestowed upon a man cannot be changed"
Sephiroth: Are you sure about that?
FF7 remake : well yes , but actually no
FF12 Mortals : 🖕
FF13 Mortals:🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕🖕
Kratos: what is written can be unwritten
Clive- Nothing is written.
FFX when they defy the aeons: “hold my blitz ball bro.”
I bite my lips painfully only do not crying.that moment,when Ardyn realised that everything which happens with him is useless,hurts me deeply.
Dont worry, its only a video game.
@@philiposbrooks3337 are you sure???
Just like in real life! :D
@@voidabyss3432 that's I'm talking about...
@@sonyabelmontfarenheght1189 Really? Havent noticed that, you know.
Ardyn's laughter at the end was oddly satisfying...
Topped Kefka's imo
Darin de Paul is honestly a gift
You can hear the madness, Joy, anger, and grief in it all at once. Darin de Paul did an incredible job with this character. He gave this game so much life and personality.
This is all that happened when Ardyn let the noctis kill him only to destroy the ring but failed and his soul caused the ardyn to live and so arose the episode of ardyn.
The hell with the ending. It doesn't matter which one do you choose
Thats good it doesn’t make the writing anymore convoluted
Might be the entire point. Ardyn's damned if he does...and damned if he doesn't. The only way this ending is better is that it spares him the sight of the love of his life torturing him and telling him to submit to fate.
It does matter. Because he let Regis live, its only a matter of time before Noctis crosses over with the best Godkillers around. He's already met Akuma who knows Asura, soon he'll meet BOY.
You have your revenge in the end
It's because it doesn't matter that it's called "destiny".
They played us like a damn fiddle...
LIKE A DAMMNED FIDDLE!!!!!
Beat me to it 😂
Give it back! This isn't right it was ours!
luckyman64 Kazuhira Miller called.
He wants his dialogue back.
"But a day, shall arise, when the dark dragon's lies, Will be silenced forever and then! Fair Eos will be free from foul Bahamut's maw! Dragonborn be the savior of men!"
―Song of the Dragonborn
Proof that Bahamuth is a incompetent bastard.
Rather pits up humans against each-other then admit he made a mistake and clean it up himself.
And instead of informing Ardyn of his plan on beforehand, no lets just leave him chained up for the better part of a whole 2000 years without knowing why or what.
Good job Bahamuth, you are by far the most incompetent god in games, movies or stories I've ever seen.
Someone should go full on Kratos to the gods after Noctis died.
Assuming they even could. The Olympians were present in the physical realm in GOW for the most part. The Astrals seem to inhabit plane of existence beyond the physical realm in 15's universe.
Kratos, Lightning, Shulk and Co, Every Persona team, and many more. Bring em full on anti-theistic battle royale.
@@Spartan-343 Basically their true form is the major stars in Eos's astronomy. They project "temporary" forms here. Some longer than others; given their task. Thousands of years is a dayjob shift for Titan. Shiva battled in the terrestrial plane and died, so a physical corpse lay because it wasn't destroyed; kind of like an ethereal lobster's shed carapace. Eos was supposedly stuck in the volcano and exists as an indefinite bonpyre (her rising ashes being the prime source of the Starscourge.)
So yeah, any god who can project physical form is good to go on Eos.
@@mr.voidout4739 So Kratos couldn't really do anything to them then not Ardyn for that matter. Thanks for clarifying for me. I've yet to play 15 so I don't know all the lore surrounding it.
@@mr.voidout4739 Don't forget Asura from Asura's Wrath. XD
It's pretty well played that we have two endings that end up in the same, but give Ardyn a different tone:
If he accepts his fate, he plays his part and becomes daemonized, going all the way in, scheming and manipulating to, in the end, be freed of his tragic fate
Ending 2: Ardyn despises his fate, resists, and so he becomes daemonized, and puts his plan into motion as a revenge to both gods, Aera and Lucis lineage.
With the ending, after the choice, we have the same cutscene, but a different tone
One is Ardyn playing his part and as a declaration he "kills" Aera and Somnus
The second has Ardyn going mad and refusing Aera and Somnus
This makes the game’s ending sooo much better
This reflects how truly pointless we really are. Like Ardyn, we are screwed since birth, only to end up biting the dust to oblivion.
In the big scheme of things nothing, even existence itself, really matters.
Nihilism at its finest
Not really. God offers salvation and hope to all of us, we aren't here just to let destruction take us over. God has us in His hands. get to know Him, We all will meet God the Holy Creator one day ( Hebrews 9;27) and He's being merciful by giving us all time to get right with Him before judgement day, because when judgement day comes you get no second chances. God came as Jesus in the flesh to go and pay our sin debt on the cross, we deserve hell we deserve to take our punishment but in His great love and mercy He took our punishment and sins to the cross. He died and paid for our sin debt in full ( John 19:30) then God the Father rose Jesus on the third day with glory and power and triumph and He conquered hell and sin and death and even broke down the wall that separated us from Him so we can come to Him and be saved and have a relationship with Him. believe and repent of your sins and God will forgive and cleanse you and make you born again by His Holy Spirit ( John 3). today is the day of salvation, you don't know what day or hour or minute or even second you'll die. don't choose sin over a Holy loving God. come to Jesus! believe and repent ( 1 Cor 6:9-10, Romans 3:23, John 3:15-18, Rom 10:9-14, NKJV).
that's funny - in most FF games, the final boss ends up being some douchelord god that you kill to 'defy your fate' where you walk into the sunset happily after. whereas FF15 is like an alternative where you don't kill the gods and everyone gets finessed by them and suffers immensely.
I don't see this way, they didn't created the Starscourge. It was the way they found to end the disease. As they didn't had the power to destroy it, they created the royal family to accumulate power and through the last king destroy the menace. If there was another way, they would have did it.
@@Aomegeus sure they didn't create it, but as gods - was creating two bloodlines to take the fall for it really their only option? the point still stands that they doomed two entire bloodlines just for the sake to 'maybe' destroy the Starscourge. it being gone is not guaranteed as the disease was around long before Ardyn, so i doubt destroying Ardyn despite having absorbed alot of it into himself - would be the absolute end of it. so once again, the gods are dicks and this all happened because they said so.
@@StanDiggs You are wrong. What's the matter with the gods ending two families? They are gods, they created humans. They decided when every being will be born and die. So, they are assassins because they created mortality too? You are judging gods as if they are humans, but they have a different role than you. Religion sell the faith in God as if it's a lovely father that must do all that people want. But the truth is that everyone is here to serve his plan and he have no obligation to help you.
@@Aomegeus god doesnt exist
@@glazedbroccoli9185 If it doesn't exist, then, you don't have to worry.
This is the few times I’ve actually felt sympathy for a villain, and you know they developed a good character when you feel sympathy for them. The first time I felt sympathy for a villain was Golbez, since he just wanted to be with his brother, but his sins seem to be overwhelming. Ardyn was just screwed over and told it was fate, so I would be very angry about that too.
Its especially tragic as the way the animated prologue of his past showed suggests Aera truly didn't know and was surprised when Somnus declared himself King.
Bahamut set this up just right that no matter the choice he makes Aera out as someone who was using him all along, while her appearance early on was likely the real her and realized her telling Somnus Ardyn was to be King was a mistake on her part.
@BlackfangDragon, This makes me think that the gods just played everyone and beat them all up and were like WHOOPS TIME TO FIX.
But yeah, Aera really puzzles me. Did Somnus weasel it out of Aera that Ardyn was to be King? Or did Aera actually see Ardyn becoming the darkness when previously she was told she was going to be king? I'm really confused. I also really like the Aera we see in the prologue. This Aera....not so much. This one just confuses me to no end. I think it's also because we don't see the real Aera for at least part of it...maybe?
@@beckyweiss6072 Wrong, they didn't created the problem, the Starscourge.
Aomegeus who the hell are you referring to? The gods? I know damn well they did that and I referred to it in my first paragraph, albeit vaguely. It was a generalization because the gods fuck everything up, and demand humans fix it. Starscourge included. So don’t tell me I’m wrong just because I wasn’t specific enough to your liking. I felt my generalization was clear enough.
It seems even Somnus was playing the part given to him by the gods. When fighting him in the DLC it seemed he really didn't WANT to do what he did, but he had to because the prophesy demanded that his brother be made into a monster for the chosen King to slay.
@@DevilHunter1994 Somnus also said in the same breath that he was jealous of his brother's popularity and felt he had nothing to stand on, and he wanted to be "great." He outright admits that he robbed Ardyn of his role in the worst way possible. So don't forgive Somnus in this either.
I'd pick the secret 3rd option. Fk Bahamut up.
They need to patch that option in.
Pretty sure that's where the rest of the epilogues were gonna lead to. Guess we'll find out when the book comes out.
pretty sure thats what episode noctis was gonna be.
@@vixenxia2475 wasnt episode noctis scrapped?
@@acefreak9561 Yup but the concept art shows a grown up Noctis, Luna and the gang, their kids and a happy uncle ardyn.
So im pretty sure episode nocits was probably gonna be the "For true story" ending.
the man who believed himself as the savior yet everything around betray him, in the end even if he found peace his hatred shall never be vanquish
As Ozzy Osbourne said - no rest for the wicked...
So god damn disappointed that they cancelled the rest...
Let's cry together
@@EurusKingsley You and me both
@@Menhtrol Make that triple.
Neomel Syguia I’d love for him to get more screen time but I think the insight we got from episode Gladio is all we can expect to get.
I do not think it is necessary, with this episode it became clear that in the end noctis dies and everything was a game of the gods
Still, I love the Bahamut’s swordwings. It look like my child dreams weapon.
Bahamut is impresive creature,hand down
I can only imagine how much darker the story would be if the game remained in the Fabula Nova Crystallis series and was still Versus 13.
Need alot of imagination for that, considering scatterbrain Nomuras tendency to flip over conception.
Crazy how Ardyn knew his and Noctis's fate from the start, Before Noctis was even born.
Ardyn definitely has one of the more tragic backstories I've heard. It's one thing to live a lifetime of suffering, But Ardyn has suffered over 20x that amount only to learn he couldn't escape it no matter what. Doesn't matter how strong you are, That amount of pain & misery would drive anybody mad.
If I wasn’t sold by Darin De Paul’s performance already, 5:46 just did.
Now I feel bad about the ardyn his past is so much tragedy
The Gods plays on them almost like just how we play them! Savage!
Basically ;
Bahamut : Darkness?
Ardyn : Darkness.
Bahamut : Thank you and have a great day.
Ardyn : Fuck my life.
Thanks for the upload.
The gods in this story really annoy me, even more so since the message of XV is now basically; "Submit to a higher authority because they know better than you do, there is no forging your own destiny or changing ones seemingly inevitable fate, just do what the gods tell you like a good little boy." I hope in that alternate ending that we'll never see (in game form anyway) that Noctis just tells the gods to fuck off and he'll be doing things his way.
I hope that will happen in upcoming Novel where everyone is Alive including Luna And Ardyn
@@naxionkryelight951 yeah,that would be cool to see how Ardyn plays games with Noctis son as a good uncle ;-):-)
To be fair, a deity would typically have a much higher understanding than even the most intelligent and wise of all humanity. Humans thinking they are on par with deities is arrogance to the extreme. We are not gods nor even remotely close to that level of being.
But this is final fantasy....so the gods will be incompetent and weak enough for a mammal wielding a freaking sword can somehow kill them.
Darin DePaul at his finest
I feel so bad for Ardyn now
The way Bahamut one shot Ifrit was hilarious 🤣🤣🤣
Unimatus He learned how to dodged the second time
@@haeroarchon9741 Yeah I guess you learn from experience 🤣🤣. But I found his facial expression as he got one shot really funny for some reason.
It makes the way he flawlessly dodged the swords the next time that much funnier since he's probably like "Not this time fucker" until Noct comes in for the finishing blow.
@@spencersantiago7263 All those acrobatics for Noctis to cut his horn off, 3rd time's the charm?
Me: "Man, Ardyn's a prick."
People: "His DLC makes him really sympathetic."
Me: "I'll believe it when I see it."
*sees Episode Ardyn cutscenes*
Me: "...Okay, I believe it."
He is a prick. Tareda shat on Tabata's work and turned him into a good guy done dirty. Completely washing him of his crimes and pinning the blame on the Gods. Cheap, amateurish storytelling.
Th0r0 Shvener I mean ignoring Versus FFXII the goal since the beginning of the rework was for Behemoth to be the real villain, so Ardyn is really a good guy gone wrong
okay i believe you
5:39 we need the full version of that song.
It's one of the versions of Ardyn's theme, I dare say the fourth iteration? I'm pretty sure I've heard this on v1 or 2 of the ost.
Claire Corin it would actually be the sixth rendition, it's similar to the fourth because of the organ but the fourth lacks the choir.
the background music is classically fire
Holy shit, it fits perfectly how either ending leads to the same outcome, nothing matters, he actually wanted to cover everything In darkness just like the post ending scene shows and that's why he looked supriced when he was about to die on chapter 14 of noctis storyline, even whitout realization everything was planned, he completed his fate at the end...
Also i have the theory that Aera as the oracle knew Ardyn was to become the lamb of darkness and die at the end and thought that by becoming the first king of Lucis this would have happened... That would explain why she decided to "defy" her fate by telling Somnus he will not be the king... In an attempt to prevent Ardyn's shitty fate....
Damn Nova crystallis had so much potential...
I enjoyed the video, I thank you for sharing. Though I have a miniscule amount of sympathy for the character since regardless of the fate forcefully bestowed on Ardyn, he killed many innocent people, encouraged Verstael to experiment on his clones and other people to create the Magitek, stabbed Lunafreya to provoke Noctis and emotionally/mentally abused Noctis and his friends for unjust reasons.
If only Terada, the Director of this episode, chose a different route to clarify Ardyn's motivation and shared more to the story as why Ardyn would hide the truth from Aera regarding the starscourge and the vision Aera saw in more details. I think implementing new scenes to the main game to have Aera present and give her more scenes outside of the DLC. I thought that was odd more scenes and battles were included for other characters, but not Aera the first Oracle.
It is said the true king will have a power greater even then the gods...truly convenient for said gods that ‘fate’ would decree that both humans capable of such a title are slated to kill one another. Must have been a load off their minds.
Fate is such a pretty little word. Far more palatable than SCHEME, wouldn’t you say?
Isn't it convenient? The gods needed to create entities greater than themselves to eradicate a threat greater than themselves, and if those entities were united as allies, the gods would become unnecessary to the world. But if those entities were somehow forever opposed in boundless hatred and determined to destroy each other, well. Time to brutally traumatize some dumb human psyches.
Damn the gods must be weak as hell if noctis is more powerful
So.... In the end, we actually have 2 interpretations of Ardyn, 1 is the poor man playing his part, being the thing the gods wanted and the second is a mad man, who genuinely wants to end the world.
The line doesn't help either:
It can be both an affirmation to convince himself to be the darkness personified, and can also be a declaration against his fate so he is now totally evil ("Screw you gods, I'm gonna make the world my bitch")
Laughter can also be a laugh because he can take it no more, or just he really has become crazy
MrPepe Dbz - I think it's neither. If Ardyn "Submits," he wonders if Aera kept this from him when she was alive, and then promptly gets pissed off at her. His last lines are him going "Nothing at all matters, no matter what I do everything just falls to shit, so I'm gonna make the world my bitch and see what I can fuck up." He just goes full blown misanthrope.
Would have really liked the alternative ending (not Ignis one that was crap and made no sense story wise) I wish Square had one more DLC left where we defied the gods and made them pay but instead we get this super sad ending. Ardyn was a good guy that truly wanted to help and Noctis didn't deserve to die but the gods in this were terrible and Ifrit was right all along.
Really wish Ardyn had infected Bahumaut.
That was what the notics dlc was gonna be
The Ignis ending was really about how he’s the only one who came to work that day. If he’d gotten to the altar five minutes earlier, he probably would’ve saved Luna too. Ignis’ SECRET fate is that he’d actually mess up Ardyn’s whole plan, because Bahamut plays both sides so that he always comes out on top.
Could he infect bahamaut, seems like a stretch to me
Draco Gatom me too but really hate Bahamaut lol
@@insertname3919 I kind of like him though tbh. Yeah he a dick for allowing this to happen but at least he decided to stop the starscourge. Though I thought Ifrit created it but people keep saying the gods didn't create it.
a villain, he does not become a villain for pleasure.
well every FF Villain, other than Kefka
There is no secret ending in this episode, right?
Who knows, i was hoping u could play as Ardyn in the Noctis v. Ardyn boss fight and beat Noctis and have additional cutscenes, or find out what happens to Ardyn after the alternate ending to episode Ignis
@@Asian-ManX the alternate ending of the game would be the world being destroyed and fully consumed by the Starscourge. And Ardyn living forever alone.
In kingly clash, you get the outcome if you resist fate.
Aomegeus but in the alternate ending for episode Ignis, Noctis lives, but you’re talking about if Noctis was beaten in the battle of kings right?
@@Asian-ManX Oh, forgive me by the last comment. What I mean is what would happen if Noctis had been defeated by Ardyn.
So if I got this right, even if Ardyn became king, as per the Crystal, he still would have been the Accursed? Damn. That’s harsh.
Well the gods in here are basically the same gods from the fnc except reworked, they have different appearance but the same aspect. They love screwing people over FFXV is all about accepting your fate while XIII is about denying it amd change it, the aspect of versus xiii are still here in XV and nomura is salty that he didn't get to directed. he going to use kingdom hearts (Verum Rex is a reference to versus) to revitalize versus but knowing him it's going to be a mess, and people blame tabata for the status of XV while im reality nomura and square should be at fault. Nomura for taking his project too long and not prioritize his time right, square for not letting nomura to work on something else outside of kingdom hearts. Nomura has so many ideas, Kingdom hearts and versus are examples of that is just he just cant execute them well.
I have faith in Nomura. I liked KH III more then FFXV in terms of story and gameplay.
Nomura can atleast make gameplay that feels nice and snapy, tabatas gameplay always feels clunky and unresponsive plus nomuras final battles always turn crazy over the top i love it
>Nomura for taking his project too long and not prioritize his time right
Uh... Nigga? Nomura's team kept being pulled from Versus' development schedule *BECAUSE* they were the only competent team in Square that could pull off shit. They pulled him and his team aside from Versus to fix the mess that was FF14 1.0. They kept bothering Nomura to sketch character designs for god how many projects from 2006 - 2014. And if THAT wasn't enough. You have him working on Versus AND KHIII, he already had the foundations laid yet what did the management do to him? Kicked him out of his own project because apparently, they got cold feet when the Lightning Trilogy flopped and Nomura said Versus has to be a trilogy in order to fully express the story.
It's not that Nomura took too long with his project or did not prioritize his time right. It's that management itself was trash af and only saw Nomura as some money-making machine, not to mention they made too many stupid ass executive decisions.
Nomura can't execute concepts well my ass: gematsu.com/2010/06/final-fantasy-versus-xiii-scenario-complete-confirms-dengeki
@@Stupefied66 he knows how come up with the ideas that sounds good on paper when it comes execute them it falls flat kingdom hearts is a perfect examples where he has too many ideas that work on their own but when combine together it falls apart the guy just wants make a cool looking game with a cool visual he doesn't care about coherent narrative he just want be people to be shock by his twist. Square thinks nomura is new sakaguchi of the company but nomura accomplishment is from advent children and kindgom hearts, a movie fanfiction of ffvii and a cross-over between square and disney. He just lucky that kingdom hearts is popular which showed us what kinda style of a writer-director he going to use but after seeing for so long i have no confidence in him.
nice and glad,different viewpoints...i guess...
Ardyn was a tormented and betrayed.... Damn😕
Regis fought him before. He knows Ardyn his power and his true nature. That is the biggest hole of this dlc.
Ardyn looked like the soldier he was disguised as the whole time. Regis never saw what Ardyn really looked like.
@@SarifusDubs His point still stands though. He even figured out it was Ardyn before they even began to fight
@@aarontruong354 He doesn't know it's Ardyn. He knows it's "Adagium" but doesn't know who that is except ancient legends, and he doesn't see what he actually looks like, was my point.
@@aarontruong354 Though, I suppose Lucian guards had gone after Ardyn, on Angelguard, and at Verstael's lab. I guess they either knew what Ardyn looked like, or had some way of detecting him, maybe from his demonic qualities. Not sure on that one.
@@SarifusDubs fair. So he doesn't know what he looks like, that doesn't mean that Regis didn't fight "Adagium"
Miller: they played him like a Damn fiddle!
5:45 that laugh is so cool!
Basically ifrit created the starscourge, the other astrals banished him and wanted to get rid of the starscourge by making a vessel that is ardyn the adagium and using noctis the chosen king of light to get rid of all the starscourge once and for all. Damn
He didn’t actually create the starscourge technically. I believe it was formed in it of itself possibly, probably from the creation of eos but there is very little on the past of both eos and the starscourge.
Oh shit dude, poor Ardyn , this hurt so much
Hey, Bahamut...There can be no chosen one... only we... can save ourselves..
eyy nice Illidan quote
Who else to chose to resist his fate
In Kingsglaive movie Ardyn introduced himself to Regis. How on earth did Regis not recognize Ardyn? They have fight in this DLC, and Regis was aware of Adagium...? Anybody has an explanation for it?
I think it works fine actually. We know through Cid Sophiar that Regis knew the peace signing was bullshit from the start, so it probably didn't surprise him to see Ardyn with Niflheim.
"Don't kid yourself ... Lucis got dealt a losing hand, and your old man played it the best he could." Which now that i think about it, this line fits perfectly with Ardyn's episode and Bahamuts dialogue.
@@Ae7herium Hm basically he pretended he did not have any connection to Ardyn before. It could make sense just how would i say, not a normal human reaction to see someone again who defeated you X years ago, and comes to your place to offer a shitty peace signing. Anyway i could live with that its just odd for me...
Ardyn was still disguised mostly as a Lucian officer. Narratively they just show us his true form so we can see the character but most likely Ardyn was still only appearing as the officer to Regis even when fighting him.
Here’s a Theory that I had in my head why did the gods need humans to stop the star scourge didn’t could just destroy so maybe the gods feared the scourge because it corrupts everything even because Ifrit was infected then got controlled by ardyn so maybe that’s why bahamut had to make ardyn the lamb
The dawn of the future novel finishes off this story nicely where Noctis, Ardyn and the rest of the Astrals work together to take down this psychopathic bahamut. Which was intended to be the definitive ending and the following dlc to this one but was canceled. Great job Square. After all those years of devolping this game and the countless different media and the drama involving this game's devolpment. They decided to skip on the ending. How ironic. FfXV, the game that was never finished.
What I don't understand is why even though this is the "Submit Ending", he goes right back on his word at the epilogue there, swearing the same thing in the "Defy Ending" which is way more appropriate setup given his demeanour in that one.
Now that where there is potential for a good end would you like to buy this novel for the good end
I wonder after his death at the end of ffxv what will be his reaction when he enters the afterlife and meets with aera and sommnus will he be happy seeing them or angered at their presence
@RedChaosify Reviews yep that guy has been living in agony and all because his girlfriend couldn't tell the truth
@@theblade1251 Aera really should've grown a spine and just spilled the beans to her fiancee then and there. But nope, she had to go tell Somnus instead. Whoop-de-fucking-doo boys.
This game needed a DLC where these corrupt gods get taken down.
I was hoping Noct would actually 1 up the gods last minute & help Ardyn in the end of the main game.
Really FF15 had villainous gods & defeating Ardyn was hard because you (the player) were doing the wrote thing & you (the player) knew it.
That said...
FF games need to do more games where we play as the Villian. See their perspective, & just get to be bad.
Not every cillian needs to be sympathetic though. Just let us be bad.
Would love Sephiroth DLC, Kefka DLC, Exdeath DLC, etc; all with alternate endings where they "win". Just as a: "Here's what would happen if they had won."
Good thing I waited to play this first I plan on write fanfic where noctis basically save/cure Arryn from his curse with the combined powers of king of Lucius
A thought just occured to me. If this were a Persona game, Bahamut surely would be the last boss for the True Ending
The plot is pretty much like many parts of the Bible's old Testament or Torah. Very interesting indeed.
Yes, Arydn is like jesus, and he became the antichrist
Wait? So did Area know Arden was gonna be a sacrifice??? That’s messed up
And thus did the scions of the crystals fulfill their calling ordained by the Crystal.
Using man to undertake this ordeal, they were forced to serve as fodders to purge the Star of its scourge.
Fucking gods, always fucking things up
Man .. To bad the next episode got cancelled ... I wanna see the better END for Adryn
Maybe we Will see that in the novel. I hope so, because tbh Bahamuth is a dick and giving Ardyn a happy ending would be good if only to spite him
There is no better end for Ardyn. If Noctis got killed, the world would be forever in darkness and Ardyn would live forever between monsters.
@@Aomegeus this is the second time that you denied the alternate timeline theory made by episode Ignis.
@@Dr.Meme-Man because episode Ignis is made only to make depressive people stop crying.
@@Aomegeus No, it was made to explain how he lost his eye. Along with so much more.
What the name of the song of the last please
I love how the choice doesn't even matter. He still goes mad and plans to kill Noctis and put the entire world into darkness forever.
Best FF villain, no doubt.
What if Ardyn just decided to just avoid Noctis entirely what would Bahamuts endgame be then?
Then the starscourge continues to spread and Ardyn lives a life of misery where everything around him dies and he'll never have the embrace of death to end his suffering. Ardyn never really had a choice.
If Ardyn didn't seek Noctis out than eventually Noctis would be the one to seek him out. No matter what the Chosen King has to destroy the Scourge and that means a clash with Ardyn would have to happen eventually. Ardyn trying to avoid it would just delay the inevitable.
Stupid Bahamut. That thing is the real Demon.
Basically its about a Crystal wich acts as a transponder cell phone to the gods. And only the Lucis, im sorry the Uchia clan can use. They can contact Bahamut and get quests from, wich sucks.
And the other younger brother thought that sitting in a throne would make him powerful wich it fucking did. He abused that shit.
And now Prince Sasuke, i mean Noctis who suffer almost the same fate as Ardyn. Has to fight each other on a bloddy level.
I have lost memory from how the dark scurge or whatever is called came to be. But the true villian who planted that scurge should be the one to die.
Hey maybe the one who planted the scourge did so in order to kill this selfish gods, so it might be the true hero, we'll never know
I believe it was the gods warring over Solheim which caused the Starscourge, either indirectly or by Ifrit summoning it with Meteor.
What make me wonder is, does Luna know Noct fate? If she do, isn't that make her the 2nd Aera?
she knew
man bahamut drive thru voice is so funni.
Gosh he sounds like the freaen joker
If this were an SMT game, what ending would this be?
By giving into the gods' will, It would ne a Order Ending.
And to think that Noctis, the main good guy have it wayyyyyy more easy than the villain himself.
Ardyn have to suffer 2000 years in darkness before he was freed. Meanwhile noctis only spent mere 10 years to accumulate his power.
Ardyn has nobody while Noctis has his 4 buddies.
The fate ordained for Ardyn is a sinful path that he formerly didn't want to tread, a path that will make people loathe him as a villain. Meanwhile noctis fate is path of a hero and king, a prideful path that will make people hail him as a hero of mankind. Granted that it cost his own life, but at least noctis died as a brave proud king, meanwhile ardyn die as a sinful villain.
Ele é forte sabe porque ele é forte porque ele tem...ódio
Yes Ardyn the gods (Square Enix) made you a sacrifice or scapegoat final boss so yes it was divine fate Rip FF vs. XIII.
I would resist as well just to spite the effin gods who r enjoying it
I don’t understand why Ardyn was fated to be a sacrifice. The gods literally declared the Lucis bloodline to be the saviors yet the took a innocent Lucian and stuck him with the most bs fate. And the fact is this entire game didn’t even have to exist because the fact is that Ardyn was already predestined to lose just off the fact that it was him vs the king of kings and his royal arms, his royal guards, and 5 gods.
The answer is in a tie-in novel. Basically none of this was actually fate, it was just Bahamut wanting to drive humanity to extinction because he saw it as a blight upon the world. Regardless if Ardyn won or Noct won, most of humanity would be destroyed by the conflict.
Bahumut resembles the God Pulse in 13 a little bit to me.
Correct me if I'm wrong but could the reason Ardyn stabbed Lunafreya be because he saw her as Aera?
One word; daaaaaaammmn
Square-Enix love for Shakespeare's tragedies has been over done in recent times. Final Fantasy X pulled it off though.
So if you're not up to speed bahamut creates a fake prophecy to trick the astral and noctis into creating a bomb
Never Thought I would hate Bahamuth far more than Ardyn at the end.
5:39 Ardyn in Other World its happens when noctis kills Ardyn.
Before playing this Dlc, my expectation on you were low. But now, hollyshit !!! You have to kill bahamut on the next dlc.
Lol so final fantasy 16 should be a continuation of 15 to certain character for revenge against the gods ...... that will be epic
Final Fantasy XV-II
Final Fantasy XV Noctis/Ardyn Returns
Or just have a new game in general but with the same idea. heh imagine that.
*Beats final boss*
Main Pro: Ahh another era of light and peace in the world shall come forth, after a long fight against [Insert main bad guy here]. now and forever the gods, Bahamut and I shall watch over th-
Ardyn: *Materializes from thin air* DID SOME SAY BAHAMUT? THE GODS?! YOU! I don't know you but... i HATE YOU TOO! Prepare to die!
Actually, there's talk from Luminous that it will probably return to "high fantasy" themes. Modernness has been a theme for a decade now (sans XIV.) I imagine something closer to IX will be the next result. Anything to do with wrapping up XV will definitely be tagged as such.
I was so expecting to fight bahamut by refusing
WTF, it didn't matter if you choose to resist fate or submit to it. The ending is still the same.
That's cuz the fate bestowed upon a man cannot be changed.
@@otto.x5328 thats cause they were lazy to make other endings
Mikkonen idiot
Due to my love of history, even literature and stories in video games in terms of the entire story through research, I can understand some points of the story that some may had overlooked. The Astral didn't handle the starscrouge or either directly interfere might be because of limitations; not wanting humanity to be over dependant over gods, since progress won't go anywhere at this rate.
Second regarding Ardyn and Sommus actions in the prologue, in which I compare it with history and reading the Fate/Grand Order materials. Imagine how to handle a situation, with a solution either being short or long term. Some ideas might be good but dosen't last for long that the problem will resurface. Kind of like finding out the future effects of past actions, a balancing act between choice and future outcomes.
@@user-fv7jd4xj5n that's because No would ever want Ardyn getting a good ending where he wins because there isn't one the scourge, wpuld of destroyed everything