So I played SONIC CHRONICLES: THE DARK BROTHERHOOD For The First TIme...
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- Continuing my Sonic pilgrimage, I moved along to a game that (Shadow aside) has my name written all over it. Sonic Chronicles: The Dark Brotherhood is a turn based RPG featuring a story that has little to do with Eggman. Even better, it was made by the king of RPGs in their prime: BioWare. What could go wrong?!
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i completed this game about 70 times as a kid and was completely unaware it was so hated until i got access to the internet
also the booklet says the game is non canon
It's not that hated, it got fairly decent review scores when it came out, it's just wet tampons like the guy in this video that like to make crappy reviews for clicks
It really stinks that's the case if you ask me.
I honestly enjoyed it. And still do.
Same I loved it so much
The story behind the scenes, and how it set the stage for the end of the long running Sonic comics by Archie is very interesting.
If you wish this game got the sequel it deserved (Even if this game was not fully complete) then please feel free to let Ken Penders know about it. Oh and have fun going down THAT rabbit hole 😂
What's this about your 4skin
This game is so nostalgic to me I honestly enjoy playing it even tho I do acknowledge all its flaws 💀
That’s okay everyone’s allowed and should have different opinions and hey I’m glad someone could find enjoyment in this game
Me too. I loved it when i was younger. It's really a shame it didn't sell well. Would love a reboot.
@@brandonscott3423 Imagine being hapoy that some nostalgic idiot likes a failed game.
This game is so nostalgic to me.
This is definitely the Sonic Chronicles game of all time.
Out of all the sonic games, this is one of them
It would have been cool to see this game get a sequel that improved the flaws of the first
if ken penders wasn't so butthurt we could have probably gotten a sequel to dark brotherhood by now i reckon
@@EBlade3529😊
You should look into _why_ Sonic Chronicles never got a sequel. _Hoo boy_ is that a rabbit-hole.
This game at it's core. Has(yes has) ALOT of potential. The touch based attacks really hurt it. Especially if your screen was really old and had dead spots. 😂
It's not horrible.
I liked the touchscreen prompts 😅
>It's not horrible
cope
It IS horrible. And it DID have potential. Both can be true.
People tend to write this game off as just "another terrible Sonic game" but it's nice to see someone give it a fair shake. Nice vid dude.
Fun fact: some of the music was supposed to be classic sonic songs, but they used downloaded midi from the internet 💀 you can barely recognize the final boss theme of S3&K or diamond dust from Sonic 3d blast
It's definitely not a perfect game, but it's by far the best official Sonic the Hedgehog RPG to date.
This is a fact.
For now.
Well you COULD call Sonic Battle GBA an RPG because of how you collect cards and level up Emeral and if that’s an accepted definition then that would be the best Sonic RPG.
@@-my4skinwastakeninasickjew426 It's primarily a fighting game. It has RPG elements like most Sonic games but it is still primarily a fighting game.
Isn't it also the only official Sonic the Hedgehog RPG?
@@GameAlicornLuna Yeah. That's the punchline.
I love this channel man! Just straight up good content thanks for all you do big dawg!
When Forces was announced, i thought it was a Chronicles' sequel
You're one of my favorite CZcamsrs, keep up the great work dude
I played the game when I was in middle school and I thought it was pretty awesome. Now as an adult I can see it's major flaws. The game isn't unplayable but it is one of those games that (if you played it as a kid you'll probably respect it)
Love this channel Matty! Keep up the great work man!
I always liked the cover art of this game
I had no idea this game even existed, I like the cover art, think I'm going to get it just because of that, great video!!!!!
Came across this channel about a week ago love the format your videos have with the complete unboxongs and game play. Love all the videos so far
The ideas of this game were crazy, when I got the game I struggled in the beginning for so long but then eventually learned what to do on my own, really enjoyed it and replayed it multiple times.
I didn’t know sonic was a member of the dark brotherhood. Maybe that’s why sega makes so many bad sonic games in an attempt to silence the dreaded assassin
Humor me. I'd like a list.
@@joe_kloos8512 to start, sonic free riders, sonic forces, 06, shadow the hedgehog, sonic boom.
@@EmmaxoOCE Good list. Nothing I haven't heard before but facts are facts.
@@joe_kloos8512 Yep. These ones are the ones that typically are not hot takes. Most people can see why those games range from eh to utter shite.
To my understanding the real reason there is no sequel is that the guy who used to write the Knuckles comic tried to sue. See Knuckle also had a sister in the comics series. he also tried suing the movie anything with knuckles family though The Knuckle clan is a part of the video games
That sucks...
This was one of the few Sonic games I stopped midway through and not bothered finishing... I reached the first planet and didn't have enough experience for Knuckles to advance in the rock planet to break a rock in the way and the thought of grinding in a game like this felt more of a chore than anything else...
The game had a solid idea going on making an RPG since Mario did so various times to critical acclaim, but the touchscreen-only controls, the arbitrary Elite Beat Agents prompts, enemies running away, recycling Sonic X art for the dialog scenes, rushed art for the cutscenes (apparently it's been unearthed some awesome hand-drawn 2D animated cutscenes were gonna be put into the game, but I guess due to the rush to get it done ASAP, made them go with the boring static images in a quasi comic book format), the very obvious placeholder royalty-free sound effects, the music being rushed as Richard Jacques (known for Sonic R) wasn't given enough time to familiarize himself with the DS' music while he supposedly opted to yoink fan-made midi music of past games, the Ken Penders lawsuit with him claiming Bioware "ripped off" his stories and characters from the Archie Comics making the game now non-canon and Shade is the newest "lost" character we may never see again as Sega doesn't want to deal with his crap ever again...
Bioware could've made this all work, but it's clear they were rushed by Sega (as seems to be the usual story with many games) from making this fantastic. I suppose the next best thing is to wait for the inevitable fan game wanting to unofficially pick up where this game left off and/or remake this game into something more palatable.
As someone who grew up playing fan made Sonic RPGs and, ironically, never playing a licensed game in that genre; this game gave me the most average experience I ever had with this series. I beat it twice; once in middle school and again in highschool. I've attempted a third try two years ago and stopped sometime after failing to kill some hawks. I haven't played it since.
One of the few sonic games i did not finish but does give me nostalgia for sure!
I like this game, its good in my opinion
You poor soul, I wish the first spinoff tried was sonic riders 😭
I played this game for the first time last year or maybe a few months ago and I had alot of fun. And I laughed my butt off on how easy the game was when I got the never miss chao for Cream cause at that point I just spammed everyone's combination attacks then Cream's refresh
I had no clue how horrible the music was as a kid, I found out about the legal problems that led to that among other nonsense that occured during development.
I think one of the biggest issues when it came to BioWare's writing on Sonic Chronicles is that while BioWare was in its peak during the making of this game, Sega was in its lowest point and very heavy on keeping the characters to being.. just them.
I have a feeling if this game wasn't limited to DS, BioWare probably could have done some magic with this game. Although when EA buys them out was also in the middle of development in this game.. well.. yeah.
I honestly loved this game as a kid, I still enjoy it
I love this game bro. One of my favorite sonic games
If someday you're done with all (or most) Sonic games , i would love to see you ranking all of them from worst to best.
Blame Ken Penders for the unresolved cliffhanger. Sonic games, no matter how trash they are, always sell well and always get a sequel that usually improves upon the previous game but because Penders sued SEGA over the Dark Brotherhood characters, they decide to just cancel the series altogether.
I saw this at a second hand electronics and collectible store. It was Bioware so I was intrigued. They want 60$ for it though, so I passed. I still kinda regret passing it up cause I haven’t seen it since.
Edit after watching video: I don’t regret it anymore.
It’s like 5 dollars at any game exchange
If you enjoy sonic I would give it a try
@@dantemitsoyu977 That place wanted 60$, so nah. Maybe for 5$ or even 20$, but I haven’t seen it anywhere since and I frequent a couple across Phoenix.
I actually know a lot of Sonic fans who LIKE the dark cliffhanger and I imagine Bioware thought they'd get to do a sequel. The 4th wall mess though takes all the seriousness out of it though. So dumb.
Frontiers seems like it'll have more RPG elements like skills trees. Could be the start of something if the game turns out okay
I’m a bit dissapointed Sonic has been turning away from being a platformer since Secret Rings. 06 felt like the last TRUE 3D platformer from Sonic Team but they got scared of the reception so removed everything that made Sonic, well Sonic.
thats called action rpg not turn based rpg
I remember enjoying this game back in the day, but I haven't played it in over 13 years so I'd probably hate it now 😂
Honestly, I played it back when I was a kid, while yes, it has flaws, but it still has a special place in my heart today. And I've definitely replayed it in the past years
Hope you played this one muted. It’s one of the very rare times that a sonic games has an objectively awful soundtrack. It’s story elements and respect for the series lore/cast helped me get through it years ago.
Soundtrack was fire to my 10 year old self
You should cover the first 2-3 Paper Mario games and Bug Fables
Absolutely. Bug Fables deserves more attention
I was so disappointed in this game. Not that I hated it but how it had so much potential and many things that were being expanded in the Sonic lore from: the Echidna race being fleshed but with new unique characters, the Gizoid (Emerl) being remembered and mentioned, the Sonic X esque character profiles and one of my most favorite Box Art key arts in the Sonic Franchise.
I used to have this game on my ds it was so fun
I loved this game when I was little, and still love it
This certainly is a video game
Yo Bioware was one of the favorite devs so I was so excited for this game when I learned they were making it. It could have been SOOO good
I loved this game when I was younger
as a little girl playing this game on my ds, I loved it but the only thing annoyed me was the ending
Tbh i loved the game as a kid. And still do
I love this game, 24 years old and it’s still my favorite game on my 3ds to play. I will never sell or part with it lol
This game had so much potential.
Since you played the Sonic Adventure games not that long ago and seemed to enjoy them, I'd highly HIGHLY recommend you check out Spark the Electric Jester 3 (and maybe even the entire spark series). It only came out a few days ago on the 14th and it's still on a launch sale until the 21st. Not only is it an amazing Sonic Adventure inspired game, but I think it rivals or even surpasses some of the best Sonic games.
Also, it's basically made by 1 guy (aside from the music), and, after beating it, I think it's just one of the best platformers to come out recently in general.
You have the OG TWEWY?! Cherish that like gold! The original Nintendo DS copies are very hard to find now
I remember I got this game as a kid, had no idea what was happening, stopped playing 5 minutes later and never played it again.
if you want a real fun rabbithole look into the ken penders thing with this game apparently they "stole" his ideas.
I honestly do like this game though I just view the ending as a return to form for the sonic series aka Eggman is back up to no good again
So is now the time for some Klonoa Phantasy Reverie series? It's a 2022 collection pair of remakes for two REALLY good platformers from 1997 and 2001 with wonderful characters, story, and music! They both had manuals that helped develop the setting too. It deserves a lot of attention especially with the rise of some previously dead platformer IPs (Such as this one for 14 years) as of late!
I remember loving this game
There are so many ideas and concepts in Sonic Chronicles I like, but the actual game leaves much to be desired and the soundtrack is painful. This is a game I'd love to see a remake for one day, to utilize these ideas for a better game with a remade soundtrack, but I'm sure it'll never happen due to the legal baggage that this game's has.
I really enjoyed playing this game.
that commercial really unlocked some memories
Loved this game as a kid ❤️
Feel sorry for Sonic. He just doesn't have the same golden touch as Mario. Super Mario RPG and Mario Superstar Saga were amazing!
It's a shame too since the Sonic series os ripe for an RPG due to focusing more on story and characters than Mario does.
14 year old me loves this game to death. Really cool to see a video on this!
love this game
Whilst not an RPG at its core, I am excited to try out Sonic Frontier's combat system which you can upgrade over time. That may be a start towards a more RPG-focused gameplay.
I laughed hysterically when I saw the TWEWY cart in the box
It was one of my favourite game since as a kid rpg and sonic were my two favourite things sad to see it was actually hated
My new favorite alt ProJared
sega says "everything is cannon"
Except this particular sonic game
Still to this day, this game's ending is one of the most bizarre and borderline batsh*t insane thing I've ever experienced.
The move Super Sonic should return, my favorite serious Golden Boy has moves that have appeared once and never again, he also hasn't used the power of the Chaos Emeralds to their fullest.
And that's why you don't end videogames on cliffhangers.
I was so hyped for this game at the time. I remember having dreams about it, a lot. Which is pretty weird really.
Shame it kinda sucked.
Sonic Chronicles is kind of an "okay" game to me. Maybe that's me being too generous, however I really enjoy the story / dialogue, and I like the art for the backgrounds, characters, and items and whatnot (which I imagine is what mainly contributed to you dreaming about it). That said, the core gameplay-- although not necessarily _outright awful_ (in my opinion)-- was still incredibly underwhelming and tedious at points. But since the game was one of my first RPGs (and one that so happened to feature some of my favorite characters, too), I was at least able to have fun with it as a lad. Also helps that the game kept me company on many long car trips, so I'll always have fond memories of it and be more forgiving thanks to that.
(There's no forgiving that MIDI soundtrack, though)
Btw, love your reviews
It could have been so much more if the made that follow up game. Thanks Ken Penders 😕
The opening theme is literally one of the best pieces of music in the franchise. Just because the nocturn theme sounds bad doesn't mean this game doesn't have a better soundtrack than the first Sonic Advance.
Sonic Chronicles: It Exists!
What a banger game
Frieza was dead for like 25 years before he came back. Idk where that came from
saddly thanks to the ken penders case
Sege will never attempt an RPG with Sonic ever again
21:54 according to some leaks it seems that hardlight is trying to make a mobile sonic RPG game
Well this gameplay existed
I've tried playing it before but never got very far, I need to go back and beat it at some point. The thing absolutely hated were the touch-mini games with the powers. Some of the moves would simply do less damage or effect if you didn't get it perfect, but then completely fail and waste your power points if you didn't get the touch QTE's, which would often fail on their own despite doing them right, because touch controls suck and don't always get registered by the game.
Of all the sonic games you choosed this
I don’t really have good memories with this game, the games lack of telling where you need to go always leaves me confused about where to go and frustrated and the map is not helpful, you don’t level up fast enough to where any character is strong enough for certain fights when you get to them and there are so many things you can upgrade when you do level up that it gets confusing on which one to pick, I think letting the player pick what to upgrade Is a cool concept but they just didn’t do it right, what they should have done in my opinion is kinda like what Pokémon does and have natural curves towards different stats depending on which character is leveling up, the game itself isn’t unplayable it’s just not really that fun and not worth your time
The missing the attacks thing is mind bogglingly bad. You get owned by early enemies way too easy..
This game's development was something of a mess. Wha Happun did an episode about it. But in terms of the music, they initially had a composer set to do a "very ambitious" score for this game, but some sort of legal trouble arose at the last minute. So they literally downloaded a bunch of royalty-free music and MIDI versions of existing Sonic music and used those instead. So essentially, the final game shipped with placeholder tracks.
Was hoping somebody would share this sad little fact. The music wasn't going to suck. You can tell that by some of the great original tracks the game DOES have (okay, mostly the title theme). But the omnipresent shadow of legalities caused them to literally have to sub in something that was made last minute just so the game could still ship with SOMETHING.
It does make me sad because I bet the original pieces of music we were going to get would probably have been awesome, as Sonic soundtracks normally are.
More DS game retrospectives please!
I was so close to finishing this game when i was younger. Finding out the ending now made me sad AND mad. Cliffhangers suck
I don't know why but I thought you already did a review of this game.
As someone who played this far too many times than I care to mention... why would you do this to yourself?
I really don't understand the complain about the combat system spécial move is pretty op so I thinks the accuracy have to be 100% for tht to be good.
The music is extra bad when you remember this is on the same system as Sonic Rush.
5:27 Sonic was in the beggining not a story focus series
Matty, what is the music on this video?
This game was great
Are you gonna be the GBA game Sonic Adventure 2 Battle?
for me that I haven´t played ANY Sonic game; are there any good Sonic games ?
which ones would you recommend? name 3 please
Sonic generation
Sonic Mania
Sonic colors
The game that killed the Sonic Archie comic series
Hey look it an Sonic RPG his favirote thing. What Can go wrong
Hmm, looks like it this could have been something special, but couldn't quite rise to the level of DS greatness.