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  • čas přidán 17. 08. 2024
  • 0:00 Mission load
    0:21 Weapon build (pause to view)
    0:43 Stage 1 start
    2:43 Stage 2 start
    6:49 Stage 3 start
    8:42 End screen
    CLASS SETUP:
    Drak: 2, 2, 2, 1, 2 + Shield Battery Booster
    Boomstick: 1, 1, 3, 1, 1 + Special Powder
    Pheromones
    Passive Perks: Sweet Tooth, Strong Arm, Unstoppable
    Active Perks: Iron Will, Heightened Senses
    FYI: I used Shield Battery Booster because I don't really need to shoot anything during the entire run. It's purpose is to quickly recharge my shield so I can tank enemy hits.
    ‪@SpaceDwarfNova‬ POV: • Deep Dive Speedrun WOR...
    ‪@RyeorReal‬ POV: • DD WORLD RECORD Corrod...
    CORRODED PLATEAU
    Stage 1: The fastest of all 3 stages. Pretty simple stage but a lot of things can go wrong. We had to be precise when throwing the pheromones as the enemies can bunch up on the mule legs or the organic matter, making it impossible to mine what we need to. Additionally, there's a chance for numerous Grabbers to spawn on this stage which happened frequently. So frequently, in fact, that most of us had to turn on heightened senses. The most challenging part of this stage was probably getting a full squad to clip through the bottom of the drop pod. Quite often one player would get bounced out and the entire run would be reset.
    Stage 2: This stage was made easier with Rocky Mountain beer - making the terrain one-hit. The only real challenge for this stage was trying to manage all 9 items to deposit and keeping the enemies off the minehead.
    Stage 3: This was a bit of a spaghetti cave - with only one egg being visible from the main cave. The biggest challenge for this stage were the deep scans. Snoop had to mine through the wall to connect his scanner, and oftentimes Elite Praetorians would come say hi. For Nova, the scanner kept glitching making it impossible to place down a connection point. You can actually see this happen in her perspective.

Komentáře • 205

  • @benicopter
    @benicopter  Před měsícem +62

    Nova’s POV: czcams.com/video/u9HL86KLT0E/video.htmlsi=l6V63zzE-HXbk7YU
    Ryeor’s POV: czcams.com/video/tKXrZ-nO-wU/video.htmlsi=h87HNPF7xk2Ft-BM

    • @nobody-iw8lo
      @nobody-iw8lo Před měsícem

      how many attempts did this take?

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +4

      @@nobody-iw8lo probably at least 50, but most of those were 1st stage resets if something went wrong. Rarely went through all 3 stages

    • @squareball7017
      @squareball7017 Před měsícem +2

      ​@@benicopter dude rly good job from all of u. What was your prev record set before this wr and what were u guys aiming for? The end of the vid kinda seems like you guys were disappointed even tho it was a wr run haha

    • @RyeorReal
      @RyeorReal Před měsícem +4

      @@squareball7017 Our previous time was 8 minutes 11 seconds but the WR at the time wasn't by us and was 8 minutes 9 seconds. We were trying to get sub-7 to make our time even stronger, which yeah when we failed to it presented as disappointment. Still, over the course of our attempts we improved the WR by more than a minute when in the past others would improve it by a few several seconds

  • @SnydeX9
    @SnydeX9 Před měsícem +915

    Everyone's gangsta until 4 Scouts show up with no Driller to C4 them.

    • @HeyitzSnoop
      @HeyitzSnoop Před měsícem +9

      I hated being a scout with all my heart.

    • @LynchtheFinch
      @LynchtheFinch Před měsícem +21

      ​@@HeyitzSnoop
      ZIPPITY
      bastards got me :(

    • @bingchilling7900
      @bingchilling7900 Před měsícem +21

      ​​@@HeyitzSnoop
      I LOVE THIS GRAPPLING HOOK.
      MOMMY!
      DONT LEAVE ME D:

    • @Autogyro.001
      @Autogyro.001 Před měsícem +4

      @@HeyitzSnoop I am so grateful for you.

    • @shadowyyCFH
      @shadowyyCFH Před 23 dny

      nice scream bloody gore pfp

  • @waterfalleyes
    @waterfalleyes Před měsícem +206

    2:54 "Oh come on, stupid grappling hook." "I love this grappling hook" The duality of scouts

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +13

      😂 thank you for pointing that out. Never noticed that

  • @Spurrrg
    @Spurrrg Před měsícem +268

    07:13 I feel this on a spiritual level

    • @qwp1884
      @qwp1884 Před měsícem +12

      Do you think this is a glitch? Either way I hope they change it, it's so annoying

    • @Aubital
      @Aubital Před měsícem +8

      @@qwp1884 it happens when you sprint at the same time as using the grapple. If you let go of shift just before and during a grapple, it should work every time (at least from my experience). Still annoying though

    • @chokamilk272
      @chokamilk272 Před měsícem +1

      @@Aubital holy molly, i hope you are right, gotta test :p

    • @Aubital
      @Aubital Před měsícem +1

      @@chokamilk272 it's definitely SOMETHING movement related because I remember it happening to me and I found a way to avoid it but that was a long time ago and now I play on autopilot xD

    • @Dualities
      @Dualities Před měsícem

      when game co op is boring so youtubers have to use promotional accounts to get somewhere

  • @Jake-jj2pg
    @Jake-jj2pg Před měsícem +155

    I just watched this happen, but I still don't believe it. Great work

  • @Ihasnotomato
    @Ihasnotomato Před měsícem +78

    This is actually incredible, such great coordination! Then theres me who meticulously goes through the whole cave several times over to make sure I didnt miss a splinter of nitra lol

    • @HeyitzSnoop
      @HeyitzSnoop Před měsícem +1

      Most runs we do the goal is one supply drop.

    • @maximilionmcdonald2726
      @maximilionmcdonald2726 Před 24 dny +1

      Reminds me of when I used to try and milk every zombie for as much points as possible in cod. It’s funny how the more experienced we get the more we realize the little things we used to do to try and maximize didn’t actually matter.

  • @generic5412
    @generic5412 Před měsícem +102

    Congratulations dude! Saw your post on Reddit and this is insane to watch!

  • @LeLe-bo7cs
    @LeLe-bo7cs Před měsícem +17

    Stage 1/3 i was like damn these guys are fast at collecting eggs thats impressive, until i remembered that theres always a second objective. You also build two mini mules. Thats insane.

  • @valalphak
    @valalphak Před měsícem +111

    Imagine wasting around halfhour to deliver dwarves around 40km to depth only to they make done at one minute

  • @milligin
    @milligin Před měsícem +59

    Great job guys, the previous run was so close and would have had it with abort skips. Glad you guys were able to get the record back after all that hard work this time and last time! This will be a tough one to beat, amazing teamwork :)

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +15

      Thank you! Much appreciated. I’ve learned a lot from watching you and your streams, so you’re a big reason why we’re able to do some of the thing we do

    • @milligin
      @milligin Před měsícem +10

      @@benicopter im gonna have to start practicing for the next time a good seed comes up cause you guys have certainly moved the bar up for a quality run. back to the grind 😤👍

    • @HeyitzSnoop
      @HeyitzSnoop Před měsícem +2

      @@milligin I was a bit sad you didnt go for this I kept joking we were going to loose by a second and to a team of gunners.

  • @emilelariviere2712
    @emilelariviere2712 Před měsícem +216

    Saw the reddit post just a few minutes ago lol

    • @Dualities
      @Dualities Před měsícem

      when game co op is boring so youtubers have to use promotional accgounts to get somewhere

    • @lawsen3719
      @lawsen3719 Před 19 dny

      ​@Dualities ngl I bought it for myself and a friend and we played a few rounds then decided to ask for a refund because it is very overhyped. It is a really good game and very well made but it is just not the most entertaining, and the content is focused around very similar missions.

    • @emilelariviere2712
      @emilelariviere2712 Před 19 dny

      @@lawsen3719 that's fair honestly, I got the game a few years ago when the game first came out and there were a lot less people talking about it

  • @Haytchtwoalt
    @Haytchtwoalt Před měsícem +46

    Congratulations, 4 man clip on exit is really cool! Looks like it’s time to start scouting the DD’s :)

  • @-ItK
    @-ItK Před měsícem +11

    Well done! I think a video about routing this kind of run would be interesting to watch.

  • @ZweiofPembroke
    @ZweiofPembroke Před měsícem +9

    Mesmerizing.
    Rock and Stone, you beautiful dwarves!

  • @mistadude
    @mistadude Před měsícem +12

    I was just wondering earlier if people actually tried to speed run deep dives. Well played

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +6

      That's pretty much all I've done for the past 2 years. I love the seeded maps and being able to try different routes. By far my favorite aspect of the game!

    • @mistadude
      @mistadude Před měsícem

      @@benicopter just from watching this video i can totally understand how much enjoyment you can get out of this aspect of the game. my friends and I aren't very experienced in this game yet, but I'm sure that we will give this a shot at some point (and not even come close to a world record).

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +1

      @@mistadude Awesome! Let me know how it goes! The WR is completely dependent on the missions (which are random). I think I calculated at roughly a 1/100 probability that a deep dive with have missions to contend with a WR time (no time-gated missions like Escort Duty, Salvage Operation, etc). Since they update weekly, that's about once every 2 years.
      The last record was just over a year ago. So it's more of a waiting game than anything.

    • @mistadude
      @mistadude Před měsícem

      @@benicopter ah that makes sense. knowing my luck i'd be incapable of playing the game on the week of the best seed ever XD. if anything we'd just be doing weekly speedruns for each specific seed not trying to contend for a total WR. congratulations to you and your crew on this accomplishment really impressive stuff man!

  • @superwhatevergamin9634

    Mission Control: Where's Molly?
    Scout Squad: Uhhh...
    Mission Control: How the HELL did you enter the drop pod without Molly?
    Scout Squad: Uhh...😅
    Mission Control: Dammit, we're gonna need to send a salvage team. I swear we haven't had an incident like this since Karl tried to "Speedrun" his firsy Deep Dive while drunk on 3 gallons of Skullcrusher Ale.

  • @PinkMonkeyBird
    @PinkMonkeyBird Před 11 dny +2

    At first I was like "I've definitely done one under 8 minutes without even really trying, I'm sure it's really hard to improve like a full minute at such low times that though"
    Then I realized you meant all 3 stages, not just one haha

  • @justgingy95
    @justgingy95 Před měsícem +3

    That’s wild how well you simulate the randoms I play with when I’m trying to just play the game normally 👀

  • @tongsam3555
    @tongsam3555 Před 10 dny

    That was nuts 🤣
    I just return to this game and found out there are lots of new things to discover

  • @ganondwarfdrg
    @ganondwarfdrg Před měsícem +2

    Incredible work. Simply incredible. Rock and stone, to all 4 of you. Well done all.

  • @naynerlang
    @naynerlang Před měsícem +1

    Really impressive. I'm not a speedrunner but it is fascinating to see it done.

  • @RyeorReal
    @RyeorReal Před měsícem +2

    Oh wow, close call in stage 2!Always interesting seeing other perspectives on the same run. Good stuff, good run, and good fun as always!

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +1

      I wish we all had better schedules so we could have ran it more! That's always the most challenging part of these full squad runs. GG though! Proud of our result.

    • @RyeorReal
      @RyeorReal Před měsícem

      @@benicopter I wish my internet hadn't died before we tried for sub-7 💀but yes, scheduling is the bane of squad runners... nevertheless our ~1:20 time improvement was incredible! Looking forward to defending the title with you all!

  • @Autogyro.001
    @Autogyro.001 Před měsícem +1

    Mmm... so clean! Congratulations to you all! I particularly loved the timing of the pheromones on the first stage and the all-clip into the drop pod was super nice to have happen. Sorry you didn't get your sub-7, cool to have something to aim for, but when I saw there was just the aquark time gate l, I wondered. So happy for you guys!

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem

      Thank you! We were actually talking about you during our first day running the dive (ALL good things). So if your ears were a little itchy that may have been why ;)

  • @Bonus_Bananas
    @Bonus_Bananas Před měsícem

    When I saw the video I thought it was a solo run, which, would be insane. But it makes sense that a 7ish minute deep dive is done with four scouts. Still incredible!! Rock & stone!

  • @finnleighhadleyparker5116
    @finnleighhadleyparker5116 Před měsícem +2

    I wished I had a crew to play with. This was impressive. Nj. Rock n stone

  • @ThePeachteats
    @ThePeachteats Před 23 dny

    I play DRG as a semi chill game with a podcast in the background. So cool that it can be played like this too!

  • @KATaion
    @KATaion Před měsícem +1

    Knew you guys would do it eventually 😌 Big rock n stone to you guys ⛏️

  • @KambrenZaliski-j6t
    @KambrenZaliski-j6t Před 22 dny

    So proud to see scouts sticking it to the drillers

  • @kritsinmajewski8712
    @kritsinmajewski8712 Před měsícem +2

    The efficiency is actually crazy

  • @3njooo
    @3njooo Před měsícem +2

    And I thought I was good when I finished it in 37 minutes. Great job y'all, Rock and Stone!

  • @sevehayden1463
    @sevehayden1463 Před 29 dny

    Would be really nice to see a video with all viewpoints side by side, was pretty cool as-is though, good job

  • @Jr-lf7hp
    @Jr-lf7hp Před měsícem

    Man, it must’ve taken some real coordination to achieve something like this. Great job guys!

  • @topazu4142
    @topazu4142 Před měsícem +1

    Мой внутренний дварф негодует глядя на то сколько руды вы пропустили)))

  • @therealsus
    @therealsus Před měsícem +1

    damn good shit, making me want to speedrun this game too

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem

      I’ve been speedrunning deep dives for the past 2 years - by far my favorite part of the game. Highly recommend!

  • @toiletfx5679
    @toiletfx5679 Před měsícem +1

    This is absolutely insane!

  • @WoWan4oZ
    @WoWan4oZ Před měsícem +4

    Красавчики. Респект.

  • @Saelkhas
    @Saelkhas Před 4 dny

    Absolutely cracked

  • @playerdreamer181
    @playerdreamer181 Před měsícem

    DUDE THIS IS AWESOME, CONGRATS BRO!!

  • @k0elny
    @k0elny Před měsícem +3

    Congrats!

  • @MrEd-qc7vr
    @MrEd-qc7vr Před měsícem

    The convesation by the end is like "ahh we could have done this way faster". Meanwhile I'm still trying to make head or tails of what happened in the first stage

  • @megapeebs2631
    @megapeebs2631 Před měsícem

    I don't know how one manages this with duck and cover but you have the respects of even a whitebeard rock and stone

  • @SEB800r
    @SEB800r Před 22 dny

    Karl, indeed, would be proud

  • @KhorneBrzrkr
    @KhorneBrzrkr Před 5 dny

    Fucking loved you guy's communication skills.

  • @AnnoyD
    @AnnoyD Před měsícem

    Dwarves when drg finally invested in better equipment

  • @DryMexagon
    @DryMexagon Před měsícem

    The suicides to speed up the progression is ingenious.

  • @coverbayana6323
    @coverbayana6323 Před měsícem

    ROCK AND What's happening? STONE!

  • @OnCoated
    @OnCoated Před měsícem

    Im not even surprised. Congrats 👊

  • @ConelChaos
    @ConelChaos Před měsícem

    Solid effort! amazing time. Really cool to watch, thank you for sharing (:

  • @zboro311
    @zboro311 Před měsícem

    Bro that was awesome👍

  • @TheNitram8
    @TheNitram8 Před měsícem

    I had no idea speedrunning could be a thing in a game so random, but i forgot DDs and EDDS have fixed maps. Insane to watch!

    • @ririswan6352
      @ririswan6352 Před měsícem

      On a normal games it's also a thing, since you can replay seed

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem

      It’s by far my favorite aspect of the game. The planning, routing, and class building to fully optimize a run. I’ve been doing it for a couple years and I feel like I still learn something new each time

  • @phat-Rat
    @phat-Rat Před měsícem +3

    I can't believe your sub 7 got robbed by a stupid fucking power cable glitch. I felt so bad for nova, wasn't her fault at all. You guys definitely would have had it without that damn power cable bug.

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem

      I know! It’s even more frustrating that I’ve been experiencing that bug since day 1 of the new season, a month ago.

  • @CroissantDestroyerofWorlds

    So much for taking molly with you ig

  • @dandee567
    @dandee567 Před měsícem +3

    You are insane

  • @offlinejust
    @offlinejust Před 23 dny

    True deep of speed

  • @MrDjdanieljose
    @MrDjdanieljose Před 26 dny

    wtf I did not knew the scout bug with the drop pod, I saw an scout doing it cus it was inside the drop pod before its doors opening haha it launch the drop pod leaving molly

  • @comorant2134
    @comorant2134 Před měsícem +1

    Crazy, congratz

  • @clementfilancia3053
    @clementfilancia3053 Před měsícem

    GG

  • @PopcornLover200
    @PopcornLover200 Před měsícem +1

    Rock an- huh? You’re already done?

  • @dartalantov
    @dartalantov Před 7 dny

    Video about speedrun 7:04
    Look inside
    9:07

  • @d15p4tch6
    @d15p4tch6 Před měsícem

    This is insane!

  • @badkidz92
    @badkidz92 Před měsícem

    Great job 👍👏

  • @totallyhuntergaming
    @totallyhuntergaming Před 23 dny

    Karl would’ve finished before the first mission was over

  • @rodotz9737
    @rodotz9737 Před hodinou

    I feel like a complete noob now 🤟🏻🚬

  • @therealgathe
    @therealgathe Před měsícem +5

    Hey, I know those guys! Let’s GO baby, Milligan eat your heart out!

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +4

      If Milligin ran this week I have a feeling this video wouldn't exist...lol

    • @therealgathe
      @therealgathe Před měsícem +1

      Hahaha shhhh nobody tell him

  • @myrical4147
    @myrical4147 Před měsícem

    Very satisfying :)

  • @Rosemary_Benson
    @Rosemary_Benson Před měsícem

    nice work!

  • @Trevizanzan
    @Trevizanzan Před měsícem

    Impressive!

  • @DrJonsTechnology
    @DrJonsTechnology Před měsícem

    Leave No Dwarf Behind !!!!!

  • @xoxlx9151
    @xoxlx9151 Před měsícem

    snoop sounds like squidward

  • @ayubmaruf3074
    @ayubmaruf3074 Před měsícem

    impressive. rock & stone everyone!

  • @spoopyboi1882
    @spoopyboi1882 Před měsícem

    Man waiting for the droppod in 2nd stage took longer than collecting the aquarqs. Insane shit guys

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +2

      Yeah that was actually kind of fun - basically just target practice for 2 minutes lol

  • @JaxonGerard-st9wv
    @JaxonGerard-st9wv Před měsícem +1

    I completed my first deep dive under 45 mins

  • @alexbarker111
    @alexbarker111 Před měsícem

    Do dwarves believe in recarnation? because Karl's spirit embodies this video

    • @ArtStorKir
      @ArtStorKir Před měsícem

      This is future son for Karl way!

  • @NickMaovich
    @NickMaovich Před měsícem

    Prime Scout gaming

  • @reyboyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
    @reyboyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy Před 29 dny

    Cool video! Btw which perks were you using?

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před 29 dny

      Thanks! Perks are in the video description

  • @Ferr_rog2
    @Ferr_rog2 Před měsícem

    Ggs man I’m not an experienced speed runner at I got 19:02

  • @erraticsa_mg8270
    @erraticsa_mg8270 Před měsícem +1

    Yeah you got the deep for speed achievement, Chill out bro😂

  • @flaviusgerhardt9354
    @flaviusgerhardt9354 Před měsícem

    Nice

  • @KingLich451
    @KingLich451 Před měsícem

    What happen when scouts use %4 brain power:

  • @jonathanhoward5284
    @jonathanhoward5284 Před měsícem +5

    What does nova have to go down stg 2?

    • @HeyitzSnoop
      @HeyitzSnoop Před měsícem +7

      The route she ran stage 3 it made it easier for her to die going in with less health.

  • @gudadada
    @gudadada Před měsícem

    nice

  • @normik84
    @normik84 Před měsícem

    Nice so close

  • @benturtl9076
    @benturtl9076 Před měsícem

    By Karl....

  • @danisCreep
    @danisCreep Před měsícem

    *Scoutism*

  • @graysonmccoy4338
    @graysonmccoy4338 Před měsícem

    crazy

  • @qwsxedcrfv
    @qwsxedcrfv Před měsícem

    hell yeah!
    (Nah, I’d Elite)

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem

      @@qwsxedcrfv your EDD run is still the greatest of all time. Don’t think it’ll ever be beaten

  • @GenericUsername997
    @GenericUsername997 Před měsícem +1

    YOU LEFT A DWARF BEHIND??????

  • @c4h5n2o1
    @c4h5n2o1 Před měsícem

    a masterclass in precision!
    how many runs does it take to route and perfect a dive like this?

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +1

      It probably takes just a few runs to get the routes down. The difficult part is fine-tuning the routes and minimizing errors. Something as simple as getting grabbed by a Grabber can derail the entire run. It may only cost us 5 seconds of time, but that is a huge difference when we're going for such a fast time.
      I would say we had roughly 50 runs. Most of those are resets in the 1st stage. If we didn't get under ~46 seconds when pressing the button, it would be an immediate reset because there's almost no way to make up the time on the later stages.

  • @uberhelmsman
    @uberhelmsman Před měsícem

    holy shit

  • @eloniusz
    @eloniusz Před měsícem +1

    That was maybe fast but you've left dwarf behind. Not rock and stone.

  • @kirocetwhy
    @kirocetwhy Před 22 dny

    How do you glitch in the drop pod correctly like y’all did in the end of stage one?

  • @orbeocraft9766
    @orbeocraft9766 Před měsícem

    Scout gaming

  • @georgiegan
    @georgiegan Před měsícem

    Actually going from From A to D, skipping B and C!

  • @victorvendrame9119
    @victorvendrame9119 Před měsícem

    rock and stone

  • @garyclampton6562
    @garyclampton6562 Před měsícem

    pheromones best grenades

  • @frozenstar8050
    @frozenstar8050 Před měsícem

    lol complete lack of any sort of celebration in the end was such a letdown
    you guys didn't realize it at first?

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem

      Our goal was sub-7 minutes and we really really wanted it. To get so close was disappointing in the moment, but reflecting on it we’re proud of what we accomplished. We had planned on trying again Wednesday night before the weekly reset, but unfortunately Ryeor’s internet was out the entire night and we couldn’t run at all.

  • @leonvoltz
    @leonvoltz Před měsícem

    Rock and stone!

  • @notgreatnate
    @notgreatnate Před měsícem +2

    Damn is this all vanilla? No mods? That’s crazy

    • @HeyitzSnoop
      @HeyitzSnoop Před měsícem

      Most of us just have quality of life things on. The major mod we had was the beer selector since we needed highland to mine. And we spent a couple hundred barley bulbs.

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem +1

      Yeah the only mods I ran were more FOV and the mission timer.

    • @notgreatnate
      @notgreatnate Před měsícem

      @@benicopter that’s impressive lol I need that special powder! Still don’t have that one somehow

  • @Khosmik
    @Khosmik Před měsícem

    *MY LIFE FOR ROCK N STONE!*

  • @cadenmattern558
    @cadenmattern558 Před měsícem

    Axiskronos wishes he could do this

    • @benicopter
      @benicopter  Před měsícem

      He absolutely could - he's just not as into speedrunning.

    • @cadenmattern558
      @cadenmattern558 Před měsícem

      @benicopter I'm pretty sure that's his whole schtick?

    • @HeyitzSnoop
      @HeyitzSnoop Před měsícem

      @@cadenmattern558he’s all about being efficient doing mission. Speed running is about slamming your head into a wall for hours.

    • @cadenmattern558
      @cadenmattern558 Před měsícem

      @@HeyitzSnoop give yourself a little credit dude

    • @HeyitzSnoop
      @HeyitzSnoop Před měsícem

      @@cadenmattern558 Im not taking away from what we did its just how he plays versus what we are doing are just completely different. And how he plays is stuff we agree with and learned from to help us be better players.