Why in the world would I want a "snappier" cut of "The Shining"? The whole genius of the movie is the slow burn that keeps you on the edge of your seat the whole time.
Two things: 1) Having Hallorann be the villain actually goes back to the book. In the novel, Hallorann shows up, only to be bashed in the face by Jack's roque mallet. Then Jack corners Danny, only to be reminded that he hadn't dumped the boiler recently, forcing him to get down to the basement -- but too late to prevent it from exploding. Then Wendy and Danny flee with Hallorann (who is still alive), going to the utility shed to get some gas for the snowmobile -- the didn't have a Sno-Cat in the book -- and the evil spirits of the hotel make the pain Hallorann feels from the roque mallet bashing he'd gotten throb all-the-more, and he ALMOST starts to 'turn' and get violent with Danny . . . yet he snaps out of it, realizing that the same forces that used Jack's alcoholism against him were using Hallorann's PAIN to get HIM to act violently. So, Kubrick was adapting this notion in that earlier draft when he contemplated having Hallorann be -- or, become -- the villain. It's not as if he traveled all the way from Miami just to try to murder the Torrances. It's just that the hotel's haunting presences were in full swing by the time he arrived there, that it affected him so strongly that he couldn't shake it. 2) The scene where Wendy sees the cobwebbed skeletons in the darkened lobby is a direct 'echo' of the final scenes of the movie THE RULING CLASS, which starred Peter O'Toole. I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but the movie's free to watch on CZcams, and every fan of Kubrick's version of THE SHiNiNG owes it to himself to see this other film, which Kubrick purposely 'steals' that shot from. The themes of that earlier film were important to an understanding of the dynamic between guys like Jack Torrance and the 'House' -- i.e. the 'Powers-That-Be' who run the hotel and who reward faithful 'service' provided to them (i.e. the murders committed by Charles Grady and Jack). One might refer to the "others" whom Grady mentions -- just before he lets Jack out of the Pantry -- as the 'ruling class', those spoiled aristocrats who party in the Gold Room, enjoying their afterlives which were won at the expense of the slaughtered Natives whose land had been stolen and desecrated in order for the hotel to exist. "All the best people," Ullman calls them.
@@davidmotleyjester You're most welcome, David. I'm assuming you seen THE RULING CLASS by now, and can see what I'm referring to from it. Peter O'Toole, in an interview on the Dick Cavett Show, described that film as a Comedy with Tragic relief. It certainly does take a turn for the very very dark towards the end. I can see why Kubrick felt it worthwhile to 'steal' that shot of the cobwebbed Overlook lobby from the end scenes of THE RULING CLASS.
I was 9 when it came out. My brother, who was 14 saw it in theaters and replayed it to me scene by scene. Sometime later, I was at a theater seeing something else and snuck into the theater where the Shining was playing- just for a minute. It was the red bathroom scene. I'll never forget it. Funny thing is my mom let me see the Exorcist, but I didn't get to see the Shining until a few years later.
One of my favorite horror movies of all time! Some of the items in the original version could have been left in. However, the original ending of making Halloran a "bad guy" was awful and I'm glad that was changed.
Yeah I've read the script for that early version and it makes no sense. Kubrick was unarguably a genius filmmaker, but I have no idea what he was attempting to do with that.
@@jeanpaulmichell7243 I think the original subplot of making Jack Torrence more visibly abusive to Wendy might have worked. His transition into an abusive psycho murder was a little bit too abrupt in final movie IMHO.
I was really glad that Halloran survived in the book and TV miniseries. He was such a compassionate character, and I could never imagine him as a villain.
I get the feeling Kubrick added a lot of random and contradictory ideas into the original, such as Halloran being the villain and Wendy going homicidal. I think he threw all these ideas in just to see what stuck to the wall. Kubrick probably planned to revise the original dozens of times until he got it right, so he wasn't worried if the first version made no sense. He probably figured that eventually all the pieces would fall into place. That's my guess anyway.
Thing is... Jack is so Scary on his own... that no other, could have possibly Upstaged him. Hence, leaving him as the "Bad Guy". In fact, they probably removed most of the physical abuses... merely because they were not needed. Jacks facial expressions, and way of speaking.. was more than enough to terrify. It also makes sense, that the wife, wouldnt dare stand up to him, like the first script depicts.
To be fair in the book Jack was only usually aggressive and/or violent when under the influence of alcohol. He was mostly fairly even tempered when sober but could be quick to anger but could USUALLY reel it back in but not always. That's how he lost his teaching job. Also, Wendy was a stronger, far more fiery character in the book.
Jack was incredibly believable as a violent father. The whole movie depends on that honestly. It’s the main reason it’s a horror movie even for people who usually cringe or laugh about ‚afterlife‘ movies. Kubrick managed to Substrat God from Ghosts. I am not sure anyone has ever done that before OR after (maybe Haunted Hill, but still not really) Thanks to Nicholsons performance both is possible: supernatural evil or violent mental health issues. And as we kind of discover the movie from Danny’s perspective, it’s like child memory which tends to mix fiction and facts anyway.
One of the most bizarre things about this film for me is Halloran’s love of English folk rock! The Steeleye Span LP ‘Commoner’s Crown’ can be seen on the floor by his bed in Florida.
If you’re a fan of The Shining and haven’t watched the Vivian Kubrick documentary about the making of this classic film then I can highly recommend it, and her ‘Director’s commentary’ on it adds even more insights.
That documentary cemented Shelly Duvall as the most professional, the toughest, and all around greatest actress of our time. What she had to put up with from Stanley Kubrick is the stuff of legend... and we got one hell of an unforgettably haunting performance out of it!
@@pedestrianandroid - All I know is that she was on set for Full Metal Jacket, filming a similar ‘making-of’ documentary which was never completed. I don’t pay any attention to crazy conspiracy theories though, his cause of death is well documented, and there is no evidence whatsoever that she has ever been involved in Scientology. (Apart from nutjob conspiracy websites of course). And furthermore who would have records of private conversations between the notoriously reclusive and private father and his daughter? Treat such rubbish with the contempt it deserves.
Room 237 is not the only Room 237 in film. Alfred Hitchcock's film Torn Curtain, has Dr. Michael Armstrong, (Paul Newman) onboard a ship called the Meteor in Room 237. The movie is a spy thriller about rockets and nukes. It's about the Cold War.
The book had it down as room 217 but Kubrick agreed to change it to the nonexistent room 237 for the Timberline Lodge in case it put people off. Not surprisingly, room 217 is one of the most requested rooms there.
I was surprised to read about Kubrick's process of filmmaking and how fluid it was during the writing, production and editing. He was open to changes as they went through everything...and then finally calling it a truly FINAL CUT once it was finished.
I felt the same way when I bought Salem’s Lot on dvd… it’s like a whole hour longer!… I always had it on vhs and memorized it…then I saw the real cut✨🌙🧛🏻♂️
I think the discovery of the scrapbook would have helped the story although it is still great. I also think Danny yelling to interrupt Jack on the steps would have made the Wendy baseball bat attack much more realistic. Having both dragging him to the freezer being that much more creepy. The skeleton scene was also not done correctly. Wendy needed to walk into the dark area and seeing the skeletons. It shows her in a lighted area seeing a completely darkened party.
I'd love to see The Shining done as a faithful mini series without the bad acting and hokey cgi of the last attempt. That way you could have just about everything from scrapbook find to the frankly ultra creepy scene where Danny is playing outside and gets temporarily stuck in the snow filled playground and then stalked by a topiary lion. That and the part where there's a hose that attacks him when he's way from his parents.
Kubrick famously kicked out every line that hadn’t to be said but could be shown. His real genius is reading that book and finding the visceral and existentially dreadfulmovie in all this inner monologue and supernatural hocus pocus. I like the book, sure, but Kubrick made it horror for the unbelievers as well as the believers in supernatural - equally. That’s genius. A silent moment to Ms. Duvall though, who had to suffer far too much for this.
One piece of the original script that did kind of make the final film was the scrapbook. When Jack was yelling at Wendy for interrupting his writing, the scrapbook was sitting on the desk he was writing at.
I am one of the lucky few who saw the film opening night and remember the hospital scene at the end very well. The ending we are currently left with always feels incomplete to me after my initial experience. Maybe it will turn up someday!
@christophervassiliades5960 you are fortunate to have seen that version because I don't believe it played for as long as Minty claims. I watched a documentary on the making of The Shining and it said that Kubrick decided to take that scene out on the same night it premiered and that he actually started while the film was being played. I remember this distinctly because it explained the process of taking it out at certain times while the film was playing. I don't remember too many details but I believe it was said that there were two reels of film to show the film and it was obviously cut from the second reel while the first was playing. I don't know why they wouldn't just wait until the next day but Kubrick seemed like the type that didn't wait for anything in life.
@@ppiorkowski1502 I understand from Kubrick's brother-in-law that he had someone riding around Long Island in a limousine and rushing up to the projection booths to make the appropriate cuts before the evening shows. I am indeed lucky to have seen it. I mentioned this to the Burns girls recently (the twins) and THEY have never seen it. Several actors in that scene are listed in the credits (the nurse and policeman) who never appear in the current version of the film. The footage may be locked away in the Kubrick archives somewhere, but Christiane hasn't hinted at ever releasing it.
The "drag" in the US cut - I think - was intentional. As you say, you have more time. But that builds the dread. Seeing "day to day" things makes it more "real" to me. Pacing isn't just about making things SHORTER IMHO. Sometimes the drag is part of the experience. All that said? Great work as always Minty.
I first saw this when I was around 14. Seen it probably a hundred times. One of my favorite and one of the best horror movies ever. It was the longer cut. I only recently saw the shorter, 2 hour version. It felt like I was watching a heavily edited tv broadcast version from the 70's and 80's lol.
Like you, I watched the European cut many times before being aware that an extended cut existed. When finding out, I looked for it in the Internet, and was able to watch it. The story makes more sense because it gives us more information, specially in the long sequence with the woman doctor. But the rest of it is basically superficial. I have the European version, with the Vivian Kubrick's documentary and another two features on the making of the film. I have read the novel many times, seen the film even more times, and it stands among my ten favourite horror films of all time. Great review. I learnt a lot of new facts about THE SHINING, and you deliver it with humour. Hallorann as the villain...??? PLEASE!!! I can't agree more with you. 👍👍👍
Since it's Thanksgiving in the States, I'm gonna say "I'm thankful for Minty, & his badass channel & uploads". Seen 'em all. Love 'em all. PS, Kubrick's 'Shining' is iconic.
Awesome breakdown of the Lost Version! It is a real look into the genius of Stanley Kubrick and his creative process. This one of my favorite movies and you brought up points I never knew about - thank you for the work and time to tell us all about it. I agree - Holoran as the bad guy was a terrible idea. The ending that was cut and permanently removed is recreated in Doctor Sleep and I wish Kubrick left it in the original. Again great video - many thanks!
Like you I grew up with the European cut and by accident I caught the full version on Tv one night as adult, and it completely blew me away. I don't know what it was, but I never felt it dragged on, weirdly enough it felt more complete somehow and I was more immersed in the story unfolding.
Even after watching it several times over you'll notice the most vague or tiny detail and wonder if it was a coincidence or on purpose... my money's on the latter!
I love that you used the version from the TV miniseries for the lady in room 217/237. I always though that version of her was scarier than the movie version when I first saw it and still find that scene incredibly creepy!
wasn't that version supposedly more of direct copy of the book, and weren't topiary hedges, (The Maze) meant to be carved animal shapes, (and that was dropped (CGI, wasn't a thing yet), and doing stop motion, in a snow storm, was a little past the possibilities F/x at the time the film being made?
I was only saying that the I liked that specific scene from the TV version and was glad it was included in this video, instead of the visuals from the movie version being used. Not that the miniseries was better than the movie. Just that peticular scene.
@@slcRN1971 The TV version was Stephen King's version, where it was very much like the story in the novel. The TV version is ... not good. To put it politely.
I have seen the hospital scene when the movie was first release for I saw it the first day of release,we still saw jack frozen then comes the hospital scene,I remember Ullman apologizing to Wendy then seening Danny in the waiting room forgot what he was doing when a ball rolls toward him he looks out toward the camera with a frightened look then we go back to the overlook hotel to see the picture of jack and the others on the wall then fades to the credits like in the movie,I liked the scene it didn't take away anything from the movie that we have now.
You make great videos Minty. Me, I grew up on the American version with the longer run time, which is my favorite. It's hard to imagine it as the shorter version but of course I'm biased by years of seeing the longer version. I never knew the original draft was so different, so much more like a contemporary horror movie. I used to think Kubrick was a little crazy with all his rewrites but now I can see how they definitely paid off. It's hysterical to think he was still editing and revising the film after it had hit the theaters (he maybe even out-Kubricked himself there). In retrospect I agree he made the right move because the picture-on-the-wall ending is perfect. But it's still pretty funny.
Wow! Anyone who loves "The Shining" needs to see this!!! There is no formula for making a scary movie! "The Shining" is great because of it's slow-moving way of literally "grasping the consciousness of the audience." By the end you feel trapped in the Overlook and "silence" of the action and location becomes absolutely horrific!!! I love the movie the way it exists now, but I would love to see a version with the original Kubrick script for interest!
So glad I came up with the longer version. Like The Exorcist, Director's Cut, it's the delay in the insanity that when things go crazy it's even sweeter! We've gotten to know the characters intimately. We have more questions hoping to get answers. We are anxious and tense. The original with all content was great. Also, I'm soooooo glad that the different endings and antagonists were changed like in the original script. I agree that it makes no sense to come to Danny's aid then be a murderer. Anyhoo, thanks for this video. Great walk down memory lane.
Thanks, Minty! I find this type of information very interesting! Until today, I never realized there were multiple versions of the movie. The only differences I was aware of were between King's novel, Kubrick's production & the TV mini series.
What is all that behind-the-scenes stuff at the end? It looks weird like a recreation? That seems unreal but real. I would like to see it all - where is it from?
I actually slept in the Stanley Hotel (many times) in Estes Park, Colorado where The Shining was filmed and the place is very beautiful and the place is definitely haunted. There were sounds of children running up and down the hall during the night, you could hear things moving in the room. ~Kevin
what an awesome video mate. Love your videos. I had zero idea about any of these from the Shining. I would say I am glad that most of these were scrapped but it is still pretty cool to hear of the alternative of could be. The part about the lady in the bathtub part and Jacks encounter was actually pretty interesting and could have worked.
This is Definitely a good horror movie and another novel I need to read by Stephen King! Good to know that there are Lost versions of this movie and possibly other movies as well. Good job Mr. Minty!!
I have seen the ending and it sets up Ulman as the villain of the whole movie. He knew what would happen to the Torrances at the overlook from the beginning.
Genuinely didn't know any of this stuff. I definitely agree regarding the Halloran villain angle. This was a very informative and interesting video about one of my top 5 favorite horror films... thanks, Mint Man! And to whom it may concern... Happy Thanksgiving!🍗🥧🍷🍽
The "I've been sleep-walking again, dear" quote that the dead lady in the bath was supposed to say comes from the book (though she doesn't say it), Medoc, are you here? I've been sleep-walking again,my dear The plants are moving under the rug It's the inhuman monsters that I fear.
I've always been fascinated with that little poem but I have always wondered who was Medoc. And the thing about the plants moving and the inhuman monsters make it a stuff of nightmares.
Brilliant video Minty! Like you I grew up with the European cut and while I've known of the US version for many years I've obviously never seen it as that scene with Wendy and the skeletons is news to me! Wild!
Sorry to get hung up on this small point. But the Grady twins are not twins. They say in both the book & Kubrick’s movie, they are sisters aged 8 & 10.
Thought I knew everything about The Shining but this was amazing. Definitely the best work of Minty's ever. One bone to pick and it's with almost every content creator discussing The Shining. The Grady Twins is incorrect. While the girls portraying the sisters were actual twins in the movie the are mentioned as 8 and 10 years old by Ullman the Overlook's manager to Jack. Everyone makes this mistake. Thanks for this extensive look at all the versions of this masterpiece.
Fair play, The Shining is a film I thought I knew everything about, having watched a gazillion vids and breakdowns. But as always Minty comes along and opens another secret door. Keep them coming minty mate👍
Thank you. My husband's favorite movie.I never saw the skeleton ending.Guess I have to go back and watch it again Blue ray collection❤🎉.I have to go buy the European version. Never new that existed💐
The Shining is how Kubrick sees a horror film. 2001 is how Kubrick sees a space film. Dr Strangelove is how Kubrick sees a comedy. Stanley Kubrick spoke brilliantly in all his work.
Hey, Mint-o-rama! Over the past 3 weeks I’ve watched nearly every vid you have. Can’t get enough Minty! How about 1973’s “The Legend of Hell House”, based off of the scariest Richard Matheson book I’ve ever read. It’ll make you go minty pancakes!
Bravo Minty! I’d never heard of this! A great show worthy of this relic of a script. It reminds me of when I saw “ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD.” Much of the music was missing. A week later (according to a friend) the whole film had music. I’ll pass on info on that if I can!
I remember the night me n my friend rob saw the movie.we we're with family at a go kart track and people were giving us a hard time bcuz we leaving early....glad we went to see da movie
I'm always amazed at the number of fans of Kubrick's The Shining who have never read King's novel. They create half-assed theories and speculate on things that they would 100% understand if they just bothered to read the novel.
To me, this shows that Kubrick evolved the script, to enable his many themes, and codes, like The Apollo theme, and The Wendy Theory. Kubrick was fascinated by codes and symbols. He would take many films of the same scene so as to pick which scenes that he wanted to arrange to make many layers of stories in his movies.
Minty! Do The Chase with Charlie Sheen and Kristy Swanson! Grew up watching this over and over again on HBO as a kid! And I always wanted to get that red BMW!
Wait a minute! What was that 'fishtail footage' of the making of the shining where "actors are playing the actors" behind the scenes?!? Where can I see that?
19:27 What is this from? It looks like documentary footage but seems too new. So I assume it’s a recreation/montage but from where? Thanks! I’ve been enjoying your videos. Keep it up!
Where did that "behind the scenes" tribute video come from at 18:36 that shows all the actors in costume getting ready on set? I've never seen that before.
So there is most merit to the "Wendy Theory"the idea that Wendy was all along the one harming the family,the number 1 of this list low key confirms it,cool.
Here in the UK I also wondered what people on CZcams were talking about. I much prefer the US cut, I do agree about the skeletons but I put up with that scene to gain the other bits
Minty, love your channel but the chef with shining powers is called Mr Hallorann. HAllorann :) merry Christmas from the U.K.! Hope all is well on the other side of the planet!
Why in the world would I want a "snappier" cut of "The Shining"? The whole genius of the movie is the slow burn that keeps you on the edge of your seat the whole time.
Right? I’d watch a four hour version. Haha
Yeah, I understand that’s the version Minty first saw and that’s why he likes it. But in all honesty it’s a terrible cut.
You wouldn’t
LOL!!
No Minty..........You........have always been, The Caretaker, sir. 🤣
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He's also a scammer.
My girls Minty, didn’t much care for The Shining. One of them got a pack of matches and tried to burn it down. But I CORRECTED her Minty.
Two things:
1) Having Hallorann be the villain actually goes back to the book. In the novel, Hallorann shows up, only to be bashed in the face by Jack's roque mallet. Then Jack corners Danny, only to be reminded that he hadn't dumped the boiler recently, forcing him to get down to the basement -- but too late to prevent it from exploding. Then Wendy and Danny flee with Hallorann (who is still alive), going to the utility shed to get some gas for the snowmobile -- the didn't have a Sno-Cat in the book -- and the evil spirits of the hotel make the pain Hallorann feels from the roque mallet bashing he'd gotten throb all-the-more, and he ALMOST starts to 'turn' and get violent with Danny . . . yet he snaps out of it, realizing that the same forces that used Jack's alcoholism against him were using Hallorann's PAIN to get HIM to act violently. So, Kubrick was adapting this notion in that earlier draft when he contemplated having Hallorann be -- or, become -- the villain. It's not as if he traveled all the way from Miami just to try to murder the Torrances. It's just that the hotel's haunting presences were in full swing by the time he arrived there, that it affected him so strongly that he couldn't shake it.
2) The scene where Wendy sees the cobwebbed skeletons in the darkened lobby is a direct 'echo' of the final scenes of the movie THE RULING CLASS, which starred Peter O'Toole. I'm not gonna spoil it for you, but the movie's free to watch on CZcams, and every fan of Kubrick's version of THE SHiNiNG owes it to himself to see this other film, which Kubrick purposely 'steals' that shot from. The themes of that earlier film were important to an understanding of the dynamic between guys like Jack Torrance and the 'House' -- i.e. the 'Powers-That-Be' who run the hotel and who reward faithful 'service' provided to them (i.e. the murders committed by Charles Grady and Jack). One might refer to the "others" whom Grady mentions -- just before he lets Jack out of the Pantry -- as the 'ruling class', those spoiled aristocrats who party in the Gold Room, enjoying their afterlives which were won at the expense of the slaughtered Natives whose land had been stolen and desecrated in order for the hotel to exist. "All the best people," Ullman calls them.
I read that but I didn’t remember that detail about the shed until you brought it up and great tip about ruling class
Ok wow!
Finally saw _Ruling Class_ several months ago, on the Criterion Channel, and it's an absolute masterpiece!
Had such an important message, too.
thank you thank you Patrick
@@davidmotleyjester You're most welcome, David. I'm assuming you seen THE RULING CLASS by now, and can see what I'm referring to from it. Peter O'Toole, in an interview on the Dick Cavett Show, described that film as a Comedy with Tragic relief. It certainly does take a turn for the very very dark towards the end. I can see why Kubrick felt it worthwhile to 'steal' that shot of the cobwebbed Overlook lobby from the end scenes of THE RULING CLASS.
I was 9 when it came out. My brother, who was 14 saw it in theaters and replayed it to me scene by scene. Sometime later, I was at a theater seeing something else and snuck into the theater where the Shining was playing- just for a minute. It was the red bathroom scene. I'll never forget it. Funny thing is my mom let me see the Exorcist, but I didn't get to see the Shining until a few years later.
"Are you aware, Mr Torrance, that your son is attempting to bring an outside party into this situation?"
@@skylined5534 Yes!!!!
One of my favorite horror movies of all time! Some of the items in the original version could have been left in. However, the original ending of making Halloran a "bad guy" was awful and I'm glad that was changed.
Yeah I've read the script for that early version and it makes no sense. Kubrick was unarguably a genius filmmaker, but I have no idea what he was attempting to do with that.
@@jeanpaulmichell7243 I think the original subplot of making Jack Torrence more visibly abusive to Wendy might have worked. His transition into an abusive psycho murder was a little bit too abrupt in final movie IMHO.
I was really glad that Halloran survived in the book and TV miniseries. He was such a compassionate character, and I could never imagine him as a villain.
I get the feeling Kubrick added a lot of random and contradictory ideas into the original, such as Halloran being the villain and Wendy going homicidal. I think he threw all these ideas in just to see what stuck to the wall. Kubrick probably planned to revise the original dozens of times until he got it right, so he wasn't worried if the first version made no sense. He probably figured that eventually all the pieces would fall into place. That's my guess anyway.
@@spaceclown7650 Yes, I agree. Kubrick did a lot brainstorming, throwing out ideas, and constantly revising. That was his style.
"All work and no 'Ten Things' lists make Minty a dull boy."
Thing is... Jack is so Scary on his own... that no other, could have possibly Upstaged him. Hence, leaving him as the "Bad Guy". In fact, they probably removed most of the physical abuses... merely because they were not needed. Jacks facial expressions, and way of speaking.. was more than enough to terrify. It also makes sense, that the wife, wouldnt dare stand up to him, like the first script depicts.
Have you seen the "deep fake" where they swap in Jim Carrey?!
Danny is the one everybody fears though...
To be fair in the book Jack was only usually aggressive and/or violent when under the influence of alcohol. He was mostly fairly even tempered when sober but could be quick to anger but could USUALLY reel it back in but not always. That's how he lost his teaching job.
Also, Wendy was a stronger, far more fiery character in the book.
Jack was incredibly believable as a violent father. The whole movie depends on that honestly. It’s the main reason it’s a horror movie even for people who usually cringe or laugh about ‚afterlife‘ movies.
Kubrick managed to Substrat God from Ghosts. I am not sure anyone has ever done that before OR after (maybe Haunted Hill, but still not really)
Thanks to Nicholsons performance both is possible: supernatural evil or violent mental health issues.
And as we kind of discover the movie from Danny’s perspective, it’s like child memory which tends to mix fiction and facts anyway.
Such a rare glimpse watching Horace Derwent and the Bear Man reading the script! 18:55
What are these clips from?
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Loving the lost version stuff you've been giving us.. Thanks Minty
Kind of weird he gives stuff. He usually steals.
To me, the 1980 Kubrik version is perfection. The one with Rebecca Demornay is woeful.
One of the most bizarre things about this film for me is Halloran’s love of English folk rock! The Steeleye Span LP ‘Commoner’s Crown’ can be seen on the floor by his bed in Florida.
If you’re a fan of The Shining and haven’t watched the Vivian Kubrick documentary about the making of this classic film then I can highly recommend it, and her ‘Director’s commentary’ on it adds even more insights.
Collative Learning has some awesome stuff too, the Gold Room, etc. And one analysis that's more disturbing than i was hoping for.
That documentary cemented Shelly Duvall as the most professional, the toughest, and all around greatest actress of our time.
What she had to put up with from Stanley Kubrick is the stuff of legend... and we got one hell of an unforgettably haunting performance out of it!
what happened to Vivian Kubrick ? Somewhere I read Stanley was begging her to get out of scientology. Then he died suddenly 🤔
@@pedestrianandroid - All I know is that she was on set for Full Metal Jacket, filming a similar ‘making-of’ documentary which was never completed.
I don’t pay any attention to crazy conspiracy theories though, his cause of death is well documented, and there is no evidence whatsoever that she has ever been involved in Scientology. (Apart from nutjob conspiracy websites of course). And furthermore who would have records of private conversations between the notoriously reclusive and private father and his daughter? Treat such rubbish with the contempt it deserves.
@@AtheistOrphan Your profile pic seems more "Anti-theistic" than "Atheistic"... and I'm 100% on board with that!
Room 237 is not the only Room 237 in film. Alfred Hitchcock's film Torn Curtain, has Dr. Michael Armstrong, (Paul Newman) onboard a ship called the Meteor in Room 237. The movie is a spy thriller about rockets and nukes. It's about the Cold War.
The book had it down as room 217 but Kubrick agreed to change it to the nonexistent room 237 for the Timberline Lodge in case it put people off. Not surprisingly, room 217 is one of the most requested rooms there.
Hey,Minty.. Good morning from American... Happy Turkey Day!!!love the Shining..💯❣️🦃👁️🔥
The Shining is a riddle, wrapped in a mystery, inside an enigma.
Actually in the book Halloran isnt evil but gets somewhat possesed by the hotel and thinks about killing Danny.
I was surprised to read about Kubrick's process of filmmaking and how fluid it was during the writing, production and editing.
He was open to changes as they went through everything...and then finally calling it a truly FINAL CUT once it was finished.
I felt the same way when I bought Salem’s Lot on dvd… it’s like a whole hour longer!… I always had it on vhs and memorized it…then I saw the real cut✨🌙🧛🏻♂️
I think the discovery of the scrapbook would have helped the story although it is still great. I also think Danny yelling to interrupt Jack on the steps would have made the Wendy baseball bat attack much more realistic. Having both dragging him to the freezer being that much more creepy. The skeleton scene was also not done correctly. Wendy needed to walk into the dark area and seeing the skeletons. It shows her in a lighted area seeing a completely darkened party.
I'd love to see The Shining done as a faithful mini series without the bad acting and hokey cgi of the last attempt.
That way you could have just about everything from scrapbook find to the frankly ultra creepy scene where Danny is playing outside and gets temporarily stuck in the snow filled playground and then stalked by a topiary lion. That and the part where there's a hose that attacks him when he's way from his parents.
Kubrick famously kicked out every line that hadn’t to be said but could be shown. His real genius is reading that book and finding the visceral and existentially dreadfulmovie in all this inner monologue and supernatural hocus pocus.
I like the book, sure, but Kubrick made it horror for the unbelievers as well as the believers in supernatural - equally. That’s genius.
A silent moment to Ms. Duvall though, who had to suffer far too much for this.
One piece of the original script that did kind of make the final film was the scrapbook. When Jack was yelling at Wendy for interrupting his writing, the scrapbook was sitting on the desk he was writing at.
OMG. 😎
The scrapbook was in the book
I am one of the lucky few who saw the film opening night and remember the hospital scene at the end very well. The ending we are currently left with always feels incomplete to me after my initial experience. Maybe it will turn up someday!
@christophervassiliades5960 you are fortunate to have seen that version because I don't believe it played for as long as Minty claims. I watched a documentary on the making of The Shining and it said that Kubrick decided to take that scene out on the same night it premiered and that he actually started while the film was being played. I remember this distinctly because it explained the process of taking it out at certain times while the film was playing. I don't remember too many details but I believe it was said that there were two reels of film to show the film and it was obviously cut from the second reel while the first was playing. I don't know why they wouldn't just wait until the next day but Kubrick seemed like the type that didn't wait for anything in life.
@@ppiorkowski1502 I understand from Kubrick's brother-in-law that he had someone riding around Long Island in a limousine and rushing up to the projection booths to make the appropriate cuts before the evening shows. I am indeed lucky to have seen it. I mentioned this to the Burns girls recently (the twins) and THEY have never seen it. Several actors in that scene are listed in the credits (the nurse and policeman) who never appear in the current version of the film. The footage may be locked away in the Kubrick archives somewhere, but Christiane hasn't hinted at ever releasing it.
It’s meant to feel somewhat incomplete to leave what you are seeing open to interpretation.
The "drag" in the US cut - I think - was intentional. As you say, you have more time. But that builds the dread. Seeing "day to day" things makes it more "real" to me. Pacing isn't just about making things SHORTER IMHO. Sometimes the drag is part of the experience. All that said? Great work as always Minty.
Come play with us Minty, for ever, and ever, and ever.
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Finally solved the greatest mystery of this movie thanks to a solid YT video
# Rip Jason David Frank.
I first saw this when I was around 14. Seen it probably a hundred times. One of my favorite and one of the best horror movies ever. It was the longer cut. I only recently saw the shorter, 2 hour version. It felt like I was watching a heavily edited tv broadcast version from the 70's and 80's lol.
Here in the UK both versions have now been released to DVD and Blu Ray.
I got the US cut of The Shining and cannot get enough. A psychological masterpiece of exceptional horror
This was a lot closer to the actual novel.
Like you, I watched the European cut many times before being aware that an extended cut existed. When finding out, I looked for it in the Internet, and was able to watch it. The story makes more sense because it gives us more information, specially in the long sequence with the woman doctor. But the rest of it is basically superficial. I have the European version, with the Vivian Kubrick's documentary and another two features on the making of the film. I have read the novel many times, seen the film even more times, and it stands among my ten favourite horror films of all time.
Great review. I learnt a lot of new facts about THE SHINING, and you deliver it with humour. Hallorann as the villain...??? PLEASE!!! I can't agree more with you. 👍👍👍
Since it's Thanksgiving in the States, I'm gonna say "I'm thankful for Minty, & his badass channel & uploads". Seen 'em all. Love 'em all.
PS, Kubrick's 'Shining' is iconic.
Awesome breakdown of the Lost Version! It is a real look into the genius of Stanley Kubrick and his creative process. This one of my favorite movies and you brought up points I never knew about - thank you for the work and time to tell us all about it.
I agree - Holoran as the bad guy was a terrible idea. The ending that was cut and permanently removed is recreated in Doctor Sleep and I wish Kubrick left it in the original. Again great video - many thanks!
Someone edited a trailer for The Shining into a feel good family film calling it Shining. It's not just funny but a work of art.
Like you I grew up with the European cut and by accident I caught the full version on Tv one night as adult, and it completely blew me away. I don't know what it was, but I never felt it dragged on, weirdly enough it felt more complete somehow and I was more immersed in the story unfolding.
I love your take on different versions, Minty :)
Great film
The more time goes by, the more astonishing The Shining becomes. Great video!
Even after watching it several times over you'll notice the most vague or tiny detail and wonder if it was a coincidence or on purpose... my money's on the latter!
I love that you used the version from the TV miniseries for the lady in room 217/237. I always though that version of her was scarier than the movie version when I first saw it and still find that scene incredibly creepy!
wasn't that version supposedly more of direct copy of the book, and weren't topiary hedges, (The Maze) meant to be carved animal shapes, (and that was dropped (CGI, wasn't a thing yet), and doing stop motion, in a snow storm, was a little past the possibilities F/x at the time the film being made?
I was only saying that the I liked that specific scene from the TV version and was glad it was included in this video, instead of the visuals from the movie version being used. Not that the miniseries was better than the movie. Just that peticular scene.
I didn’t even know, that there is a TV version‼️
@@slcRN1971 The TV version was Stephen King's version, where it was very much like the story in the novel. The TV version is ... not good. To put it politely.
I thought the movie lady was scarier...especially as she walks across the room towards Jack.
I really appreciate you doing these. You're so awesome!!!
Wow! Now that's a really haunting 'icky-britishiky' narrative voice there! On to the next...
I have seen the hospital scene when the movie was first release for I saw it the first day of release,we still saw jack frozen then comes the hospital scene,I remember Ullman apologizing to Wendy then seening Danny in the waiting room forgot what he was doing when a ball rolls toward him he looks out toward the camera with a frightened look then we go back to the overlook hotel to see the picture of jack and the others on the wall then fades to the credits like in the movie,I liked the scene it didn't take away anything from the movie that we have now.
im a new yorker and when i watch this with my mom she always brings up that it was cut she seen the original ending and hates all cuts because of it.
Loved this!!!! 👏👏👏👏
You make great videos Minty. Me, I grew up on the American version with the longer run time, which is my favorite. It's hard to imagine it as the shorter version but of course I'm biased by years of seeing the longer version. I never knew the original draft was so different, so much more like a contemporary horror movie. I used to think Kubrick was a little crazy with all his rewrites but now I can see how they definitely paid off. It's hysterical to think he was still editing and revising the film after it had hit the theaters (he maybe even out-Kubricked himself there). In retrospect I agree he made the right move because the picture-on-the-wall ending is perfect. But it's still pretty funny.
Wow! Anyone who loves "The Shining" needs to see this!!!
There is no formula for making a scary movie!
"The Shining" is great because of it's slow-moving way of literally "grasping the consciousness of the audience."
By the end you feel trapped in the Overlook and "silence" of the action and location becomes absolutely horrific!!!
I love the movie the way it exists now, but I would love to see a version with the original Kubrick script for interest!
So glad I came up with the longer version. Like The Exorcist, Director's Cut, it's the delay in the insanity that when things go crazy it's even sweeter! We've gotten to know the characters intimately. We have more questions hoping to get answers. We are anxious and tense. The original with all content was great.
Also, I'm soooooo glad that the different endings and antagonists were changed like in the original script. I agree that it makes no sense to come to Danny's aid then be a murderer. Anyhoo, thanks for this video. Great walk down memory lane.
Agree with you 💯 percent. Great video I Love the book and the movie, thay both have a place in my childhood.
Thanks, Minty! I find this type of information very interesting! Until today, I never realized there were multiple versions of the movie. The only differences I was aware of were between King's novel, Kubrick's production & the TV mini series.
God I love the shinning 😆 Cheers Minty!
What is all that behind-the-scenes stuff at the end? It looks weird like a recreation? That seems unreal but real. I would like to see it all - where is it from?
Old directors NEVER DIED, they just pester the will to live out of me!
I actually slept in the Stanley Hotel (many times) in Estes Park, Colorado where The Shining was filmed and the place is very beautiful and the place is definitely haunted. There were sounds of children running up and down the hall during the night, you could hear things moving in the room. ~Kevin
I thought that they just used the exterior?
No, not at all.
Minty, you are the shit. Love this channel
what an awesome video mate. Love your videos. I had zero idea about any of these from the Shining. I would say I am glad that most of these were scrapped but it is still pretty cool to hear of the alternative of could be. The part about the lady in the bathtub part and Jacks encounter was actually pretty interesting and could have worked.
This is Definitely a good horror movie and another novel I need to read by Stephen King! Good to know that there are Lost versions of this movie and possibly other movies as well. Good job Mr. Minty!!
I have seen the ending and it sets up Ulman as the villain of the whole movie. He knew what would happen to the Torrances at the overlook from the beginning.
Great comparison Minty!! Thank you for creating.
Genuinely didn't know any of this stuff. I definitely agree regarding the Halloran villain angle. This was a very informative and interesting video about one of my top 5 favorite horror films... thanks, Mint Man!
And to whom it may concern... Happy Thanksgiving!🍗🥧🍷🍽
The "I've been sleep-walking again, dear" quote that the dead lady in the bath was supposed to say comes from the book (though she doesn't say it), Medoc, are you here?
I've been sleep-walking again,my dear
The plants are moving under the rug
It's the inhuman monsters that I fear.
I've always been fascinated with that little poem but I have always wondered who was Medoc. And the thing about the plants moving and the inhuman monsters make it a stuff of nightmares.
Great video. You can tell a lot of work was put into this.
My favourite of your videos are these about the shinning. I found I've watched them the most. Cheers Mark! More more more!
Ha ha ,The Shinning, you mean the Shinnin maybe like a true Simpsons fan....
@@paulcanning4702 Shhh You want to get sued?
Nice to see Kubrick made all the right decisions
Nice, a shot of the Whiskey a Go Go sign displaying an upcoming show for the Selecter!
Cheers Mark,as always well put together,interesting content!
Great video Minty. You do some great work.
Very interesting thank you. FYI that radio was a big VHF base station not that Radio Shack vintage CB
I worked at the Stanley when I was a teen, before I had ever heard of this movie
Hey Minty, thanks for posting such great videos. 🦃
Yo minty editing is getting way better it was good before but I see you going to another level . Good job keep it up
Brilliant video Minty! Like you I grew up with the European cut and while I've known of the US version for many years I've obviously never seen it as that scene with Wendy and the skeletons is news to me! Wild!
love ya minty! happy holidays mate!
Sorry to get hung up on this small point. But the Grady twins are not twins. They say in both the book & Kubrick’s movie, they are sisters aged 8 & 10.
Thought I knew everything about The Shining but this was amazing. Definitely the best work of Minty's ever. One bone to pick and it's with almost every content creator discussing The Shining. The Grady Twins is incorrect. While the girls portraying the sisters were actual twins in the movie the are mentioned as 8 and 10 years old by Ullman the Overlook's manager to Jack. Everyone makes this mistake. Thanks for this extensive look at all the versions of this masterpiece.
Fair play, The Shining is a film I thought I knew everything about, having watched a gazillion vids and breakdowns. But as always Minty comes along and opens another secret door. Keep them coming minty mate👍
One of the best movies ever made. Going to watch it again and again and again and again...😛
Thank you. My husband's favorite movie.I never saw the skeleton ending.Guess I have to go back and watch it again Blue ray collection❤🎉.I have to go buy the European version. Never new that existed💐
The Shining is how Kubrick sees a horror film. 2001 is how Kubrick sees a space film. Dr Strangelove is how Kubrick sees a comedy. Stanley Kubrick spoke brilliantly in all his work.
Your editing is amazing. I also feel that this whole video is a higher quality than usual. Somehow.
Hey, Mint-o-rama! Over the past 3 weeks I’ve watched nearly every vid you have. Can’t get enough Minty!
How about 1973’s “The Legend of Hell House”, based off of the scariest Richard Matheson book I’ve ever read. It’ll make you go minty pancakes!
Bravo Minty! I’d never heard of this! A great show worthy of this relic of a script. It reminds me of when I saw “ONCE UPON A TIME IN HOLLYWOOD.” Much of the music was missing. A week later (according to a friend) the whole film had music. I’ll pass on info on that if I can!
I remember the night me n my friend rob saw the movie.we we're with family at a go kart track and people were giving us a hard time bcuz we leaving early....glad we went to see da movie
I actually kind of want to see this version....
I'm always amazed at the number of fans of Kubrick's The Shining who have never read King's novel. They create half-assed theories and speculate on things that they would 100% understand if they just bothered to read the novel.
To me, this shows that Kubrick evolved the script, to enable his many themes, and codes, like The Apollo theme, and The Wendy Theory. Kubrick was fascinated by codes and symbols. He would take many films of the same scene so as to pick which scenes that he wanted to arrange to make many layers of stories in his movies.
Minty! Do The Chase with Charlie Sheen and Kristy Swanson! Grew up watching this over and over again on HBO as a kid! And I always wanted to get that red BMW!
Happy Thanksgiving Minty, Cool Video As Always, Take Care
Good one Minty! Great job man! Thanks 🤙
Wait a minute! What was that 'fishtail footage' of the making of the shining where "actors are playing the actors" behind the scenes?!? Where can I see that?
Have you figured that out? I want to see it too!
czcams.com/video/4jBgaX0ErGU/video.htmlsi=37bFpvyM5q1xCCOm
I'm liking these "Lost Version" vids, Minty.
Great In-Depth Video. Thanks 😀
Heeeeerrrrreeess Johnny
When the weather gets cold around here the weather folks show the guy frozen in the snow! It is comical like.
19:27 What is this from? It looks like documentary footage but seems too new. So I assume it’s a recreation/montage but from where? Thanks! I’ve been enjoying your videos. Keep it up!
Look up Vivian Kubrick shining documentary
@@Sumermak I’ve seen that one. The footage at the time I share is not from that
czcams.com/video/4jBgaX0ErGU/video.htmlsi=37bFpvyM5q1xCCOm
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Where did that "behind the scenes" tribute video come from at 18:36 that shows all the actors in costume getting ready on set? I've never seen that before.
czcams.com/video/4jBgaX0ErGU/video.htmlsi=37bFpvyM5q1xCCOm
The extended cut is far superior
Stanley about drive poor Shelley Duvall over the edge with the "gimme the bat, Wendy" scene takes
One of my FAVORITE movies! Here's Johnny!
So there is most merit to the "Wendy Theory"the idea that Wendy was all along the one harming the family,the number 1 of this list low key confirms it,cool.
Here in the UK I also wondered what people on CZcams were talking about. I much prefer the US cut, I do agree about the skeletons but I put up with that scene to gain the other bits
Minty, love your channel but the chef with shining powers is called Mr Hallorann. HAllorann :) merry Christmas from the U.K.! Hope all is well on the other side of the planet!