The Celebrity Millionaires of Competitive Gaming
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- čas přidán 22. 03. 2015
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I don't understand why they let this guy cover this topic. He clearly knows next to nothing about the subject, has done little research, doesn't seem to make any genuine attempts to try and learn from a gamer's perspective and basically just tries to create a negative attitude towards gaming. Half the video isn't even about esports with focus on cosplaying and how games aren't as fun as other things like the 10 minute segment on clubbing. This wasn't really an insight into competitive gaming, rather it was more of a guy giving his opinion from an outside perspective and mostly just bashing on gaming culture
saffatlol as it seems to me, the whole point was to show an outsider's view.
Commie Jesus They could have at the very least tried to get themselves into it and learn something instead of basically hating on most of esports culture
saffatlol "Bashing on gaming culture"? Care to elaborate on that? I mean no disrespect but I don't see how he really bashed the gaming culture.
saffatlol what annoys me is that he's expecting to be hot shit and doesn't handle it very well when he's not..
saffatlol Buddy. I totally agree with what you are saying here.The fact that he has no clue what League of Legends says it all, as well as the small insult to Imagine Dragons... I was quite surprised to see that VICE had done so poorly on this documentary. They normally do their research beforehand like all the drug documentaries with that one single guy doing all of them. Why is there nobody that specialize in gaming or even just computers in general. (maybe computers is too broad) But either way, I was quite disappointed as well. I'd want people to see how vast of world of gaming has become, starting from when Starcraft 1 had become huge in Korea or just starting from Battle.net of the blizzard franchise. Maybe like, history of how Esports has evolved. Even sports channels show esports on TV for darn sake.
"Hey! Know whats a good idea?? Lets get a host who knows nothing about esports for this"
+Destiny202 Actually it makes sense, since they are trying to show the gaming world from an outside view, but what ever :I
+GinkgoPete Well, we got an amateur that got mad because a pro player didn't pay attention to him when he didn't even have the decency to book a meeting.
*****
Yeah, I have nothing to defend that.
+Destiny202 Although I agree with your comment 100%, I think that this documentary was based around exposing this to the general public, and not the gamer population. I do think, however, that the host should have had some connection to gaming. For example, when he took the college students to a night club, that was his idea of fun, not playing video games. With a documentary based on video games, that should be the focus. Going out and having a good time is fun and all, but I have a better connection to the people I play video games with mostly because we have to play off each other, and we learn our playing styles. That's just my opinion :3
+Destiny202 provides a non-bias POV
This reporter feels like the creepy guy who was never invited to parties in high school, but pretends he's a fratbro with a ton of friends when he gets to college.
Imagine a journalist traveling to the other side of the world to make an hour long documentary on baseball, but the journalist doesn't bother to learn the difference between a ball and strike before hand. That's what you get here. At best a half-hearted look at the eSports culture, and at worst thinly-veiled and condescending disinterest with eSports culture.
There are segments that are interesting and informative, but these are starkly contrasted by segments where the host's almost willful ignorance of the subject and condescension over the culture are the only things to be learned.
Two moments of surprising unprofessionalism standout. First, while cover a group of gamers and their weekend routine, the host begins to pout about being left out when they start playing games. Then, instead of playing games with them -- an activity that would produce more insight into the culture -- he coerces the group to go to a traditional club with the purpose of getting them out of their comfort zone; their comfort zone being the thing he's making a documentary about. Second, the host takes a petty and pointless jab at a musical group, Imagine Dragons (1:00:26). I'm not a fan of Imagine Dragon and like the host I can't recall meeting people who are fans of them, but the obvious conclusion is that my social circle and I are not the target audience.
Speaking of target audiences, it's hard to tell who's the target audience of this documentary. Gamers will likely find the palpable moments of condescension off putting. Non-gamers will not gain any sincere knowledge of the culture as it's evident that the host himself is reluctant to delve into it and learn himself. Perhaps the target audience are people of other counter-cultures who want to dismissively, but not too dismissively, look at another counter culture while pretending to learn something about it.
agreed!!!! there are some parts of this that are actually good, but others... geez. Would have been alot better had he tried to even play the game to see what the draw to it was, and attempt to learn about it. Instead, he basically insisted that they go clubbing. Personally, I'd rather see my kid playing games online than out drinking and clubbing all the time. He just seemed totally put off that they dismissed him, and his poor ego was damaged.
all true buddy
@henry walter if getting a pay check is the definition of doing a good job for you, yeah he did a good job:)
Vic Hairyman shut the fuck up you sound moronic
A relatively small portion of the population know about this level of gaming. Come outside of your own little world once in awhile.
Did this guy just make fun of imagine dragons lol
Yeah i was like wtf imagine dragons are huge.
yeah that's what i thought lol i started laughing because i was like 'wtf i love imagine dragons'
yeah... he definitely did...
This reporter know fuck all about anything xD
***** I Agree
It's like they send the one guy who doesnt know what the fuck is going on.
OMG IKR it's tourist in Dubai for the first time
Vice people are like travelling journalist. Their reporters are nothing more than casual gamers at best.
"there's someone sitting with the spiral-cats right now and...that's kind of my thing, sooo...." jesus christ man....
I hoped he was dunking on himself with a deadpan incel joke.
Subtlety is lost on the gamer is what this comments section teaches us lmao
His interactions with the dude from cloud9 are absolutely hilarious, its practically satirical
Why is it that when a "traditional" media channel covers anything esports related it is always with a cynical undertone?
+LowkoTV I'm not sure they're believing what they are seeing :-)
+LowkoTV Hahaha ofc you would comment here XD
+LowkoTV because the whole thing is fucking pathetic
I find it no more pathetic than hitting a ball into a net, or wherever you want to put it...
I think it's partially because video games have almost no real life application.
getting good at video games just helps you play video games...it leads to nothing more.
where as there are legitimate benefits to becoming fit while also playing a "real" sport
just my two cents.
naturally there is alot more to it than that
Does anyone else feel like the only person in this video lacking in social skills, is the reporter himself.
yup
+BlackTea7 actually the reporter is the only normal person and the rest are trappped in la-la land
+Novilene Dixon the lalala land?
+Novilene Dixon those guys managed to get more in life and become more succesful then you and you are just jelous. Become succesful and then we talk.
+Novilene Dixon you know when progress creates New careers most people who like it would take it. pro gaming and cosplaying is a thing now. it can't be stopped and is well backed up. it's not a bad thing.
what is a bad thing is how this reporter thinks that he can just impose on other people's lives or friendships because he doesn't like their taste. those people in the internet cafe literally had a few drinks without getting drunk, played some games and had fun talking; they had girls with them too so this isn't a one-sided gender thing, and enjoyed it. he felt shunned but could have just asked to learn the game. instead dragged them to a club where they hated the activities but had enough respect to follow him.
the reporter is the only bad person here who has no social skills in "Lala land"
Every time he says "computer games" I wanna slap him.
well ... arent they computer games?
EddieGee TV Technically yes but the way Matt says it is with a condescending tone. He could say “video games” or even the name of the game itself. But instead he reduces everything down to “just a silly computer game”.
The computer is more key to the game than videos are
it is are an computer games @@tagus100
LOL The cringe at being denied by C9 Hai
Vyrsace what a winnie he was acting ahaha i would use the VICE name to help with my interview
hai is nice, he also went to look for him specifically but couldn't find him.
Vice, this was painful to watch. KSi is not an E-Sports star.... he's a youtuber. Oh , the irony.....
he did play competitive fifa in mlg.
TinkleTed mlg? is that some of those my little pony games?
No it's called Major League Gaming
gregor00005 *clap clap clap*
Finally. Videogames + money = females
Vice does stories on some interesting topics, but they can't seem to actually hire professional journalists.
+zellarsDD777 that seems to be Vice's niche. these reporters are college age kids making videos for college age kids.
+zellarsDD777 I'm not sure it's that which is a good point. My issue with VICE is more that they color and limit their internet-cast to a pretty narrow perspective. That to me is troublesome and why I don't take VICE seriously.
In reality, I think VICE is a trojan horse in alternative media to fulfill a niche but ultimately distract from the important elements of human interaction and if I am right; I resent that.
Time will tell but assuming compulsive gaming is a disease is curiously assuming a lot of things.
+zellarsDD777 im okay with it but i also feel bad for him when he was in the stadium he felt so out of place
+zellarsDD777 VICE News is very young for a network. They need to build credibility before hiring professionals who probably have great paying jobs with more seasoned, traditional networks. Give VICE some time. I think you're jumping the gun a bit.
Nick Cabrera So you're saying that the way to gain credibility is to hire unprofessional journalists? That doesn't make any sense.
Imagine you get front class seats next to the cheer leaders and you come back and lebron james stole your seat
... It’s like reporting on football without knowing how the game works. It’s shitty as hell.
Was it that hard to find a reporter that has ever played a game?
Comparing child hood console games to a modern online game is like comparing foosball to soccer.
Even playing league for a month would get your more knowledge than this guy has.
lmao do you even know what bias means
this guy is a shitty reporter
Unbiased? This guy looks down on gaming and he is basically saying that those kids should go out and drink more. Whats next, he will offer them free sample of drugs because that's also acceptable to the VICE?
WARREN BEATTY kek
That was the point doofus
So...them having fun playing games with eachother is not really acceptable to the VICE reporter who'd rather they all go out to a loud nightclub and drink booze and not talk to eachother at all? :/
And getting paid
+Monscent He was so pissed, trying to get laid. This shit is hilarious.
+Monscent That was really cringey. Different people have different views of fun. Just because he thinks clubs are fun doesn't mean they are the be all and end all of fun for everybody on earth
+Monscent Reminds me of when people think introverts are shy and awkwad weirdos who need to "come out of their shell".
+The Fine Boy I think the people he was with was creeped out by him.
Man you gotta send someone with an open mind into esports. His entire demeanor just ruins what would have been a really interesting and educational documentary
I love how Cloud9 has their own theme here and they’re presented like Team Rocket from Pokémon. That High/Hi/Whatever guy was like an arch nemesis throughout the entire documentary.
If this was about millionaires of competitive gaming, you should've included Dota 2 for more than 10m USD pot money for prize.
koushinproductions Yeah. That and the fact that the highest earning people are all dota players. This docu is shit for not mentioning that.
KunjaBihariKrishna the chinese league of legends players are the richest. The top 5 chinese teams are owned by billionares (one the second wealthiest person in China), and pay for the best talent from all regions no matter the price. There are statistics out there that show league is played over 4x more in china than Dota 2. Dont you think the biggest game in china will also give the biggest payout? China already won the Dota 2 world championship, and theyve gotten straight fucked 2 years in a row by korean teams. The Chinese are fed up with losing, so now they will do anything to get the best league players even if it costs them millions per person.
MesmerGW2 The members of the chinese dota team "Newbie" won more money in one tournament (ti4) than any LoL player in the world did in total. Each team member won more than a million each. Sure LoL is more popular.. but the fact is that there are no LoL players that have earned anything close to what dota players have earned.
As far as dota goes, korean teams are really bad right now. They didn't even qualify for the world tournament.
KunjaBihariKrishna isn't MVP a Korean organization? One of their teams won the Asian qualifier for TI5, while their 2nd is a runner-up who will competing for one of the wildcard slots.
KunjaBihariKrishna this.
Mesmergw2 comes off as a butthurt fanboy in denial.
"The Celebrity Millionaires of Competitive Gaming" and they interview ksi -.-
thats vice for you, terrible lackluster reporting with the good ole condescending twist.
He's a celebrity who's a millionaire from playing games. I mean, they could have done worse.
Not in the competitive scene... i personally think "CZcams Gamer" or "CZcamsr" is a much more fitting title.
yes, a man who is a millionaire, a celebrity, and has been involved in competitive gaming? I mean they tried the cloud9 hotshot kid but he didn't want any of it lmao
I did not like this "documentary" at all. I was disappointed that the host didn't really know what he was talking about. He seemed mocking to the topic and the people he was documenting instead of being objective and cordial. There are some really good VICE documentaries, but this is not one of them. I hope in the future that VICE takes these criticisms into account because this isn't really informing anyone... it's more alienating people.
Agree
Could you guys help shed some light for me who doesn't understand what's so wrong in this documentary yet?
Host is a toolbox who constantly tries to play up the "weirdness" of the gaming scene, but its basically old news for most people. And he just comes off as smarmy and condescending.
Vice are a bunch of flannel wearing stray cats who live in Starbucks. Yeah they mock "PC gamers" and consider it as a socially distancing activity but I'd rather play my own game anyday then talk about some pseudo-political/intellectual bullshit over a pumpkin spice latte.
Aha thanks Jeff Manto.
cringy. this isnt documentary. felt like vice team mocking and underestimating the world of gamers.
why wouldn't they?
Manolis Svinos because it’s a bit insulting, and misleading because it seemed that they were actually gonna take it as a legitimate thing.
yeah i agree with you,he was a bit insulting, but l can't accept pro gamers as "athletes"
i 100% agree. You should still respect them as a player of their choice of game, but I do not consider them atheletes either
Lenny CS:GO agreed
Somehow I feel like in 30 years or so there will be a horror movie about this doctor.
John Zoidberg he kinda made me think of arkham, smh
John Zoidberg wait a minute? didn't you die? Zomberg! *vannosgaming reference*
John Zoidberg for sure. this is like shit from the 70s and earlier in the US.
DelNiceBeto Please stop
John Zoidberg Take a Break! Play with some real!!! Big Boobs!!! Feel Free and enjoy...
help, the passive aggressiveness is killing me
For real though, it got really obvious at the end.
Thankfully, they seem to have learned their lesson. The EVO 2017 mini doc Vice put out was excellent and did not feature any presenter.
I took about a 2 year ish break from video games, i used to play hours and hours which in the end i got pretty over weight and depressed, gaming is fine aslong as you have other hobbys and exercising regularly really helps battle depression
What the hell is up with this reporter?
him getting mad about the esports "cheerleaders" hanging out with the actual professionals was pretty funny tbh
He is one of those soy boys that complains about trump on twitter and goes to feminist marches
TkokFlux lol you don’t have to be right-wing to dislike that guy. Liberals can find him obnoxious too.
This video implies that clubbing is the correct way to have fun whereas gaming is wrong.
Yah I got that vibe too.
+ShockD well a mix is best
+ShockD This documentary was pretty much pathetic. Starting with "They prefer to go inside a whole afternoon when the sun is out" or something. Mainstream medias still don't understand that they won't be able to deal with eSport and gaming in general so they just use the usual cliche so their audience can understand their bullshit...
+ShockD well i think clubbing is just used as an example, there are a lot better things to do than sit inside and play games. most these people miss out on real life.
+SaiyanPrideAMV "a lot of better things to do" for you maybe, but since you dont realize this i'll tell you. Every individual has there own opinion on what "better things" they could do w/ there own time.
Athlete: a person who is proficient in sports and other forms of physical exercise.
crowdavidson People can change definitions.
Joel Johnson And language does change, but the fact is these guys aren't athletes. They're competitive gamers, that's it. The amount of physical exertion going on here is in the negatives.
+Joel Johnson Well on the whole athlete theme, why change a definition? Why try to fit this category into something it is not? Why not put it in a different category, one where mental strenth is more important than physical strength. It doesn´t make it less valuable. But don´t call it what it´s not.
+Joel Johnson Lol lots of these guys are as far from the definition of athletes as possible, living unhealthy sedentary lifestyles and you want to call them athletes lmfao, there are exceptions obviously but dude gaming is not athletic at all
TheRealLitenith I never said I want to call them Athletes. I personally agree with you guys. This is not a sport. I simply just stated that definitions could change. Where did I ever say that I wanted it to change?
This dude is cringe to the max
Noah Paul lol, ikr?. . For him to bomb the KSI interview, and make KSI seem a little uncomfortable.
I mean damn. KSI, is super duper down to earth(especially for how big he is) but this host kinda made even KSI seem strange. . LMAO. . . PEACE, Eric the Eturn
+Eric Turnbull true
I mean he's stood up to a DMT shaman when the shaman tried to victim-blame women for being SA'd during sessions right to his face, literally supporting a grape culture in the profession and didn't let the guy squirm out of it. He also went through one of those sessions himself, on camera.
You show me one pro gamer who'll do DMT on camera lmao.
This whole doc is a meme though and the funniest part is how no-one upset about it can comprehend it despite how blatantly obvious it is.
Guys at 17:10 that's former FPX member Gimgoon (taller guy with glasses). He won the LoL Worlds 2019 with FPX. Mad respect to him, he put in the time and effort and he became a world champion.
Wtf did this guy expect when he saw Hai? Chicks dig elo.
+mad hatter mad hater
+mad hatter elo=money. the elo boosting gonna pay the 1.4k rent
+mad hatter there isn't penis size by race
+mad hatter Racist piece of shit
+ButtPins Diamond One korea = panties off
Such an awkward interviewer. Anyone else think he took this as a holiday? The complaining around the 45:00 mark about them using the computers and not drinking with him is ridiculous. He's supposed to be documenting their lives, not influencing them.
jack Saville cute girls, video games, and a little bit of alcohol. Sounds like a real fucking party to me. Shit if he actually knew how to play he would be friends with them despite a language barrier.
It's a VICE Douchebag what do you expect.
jack Saville rr
For real. Really unprofessional, makes everyone at vice look bad.
Dude was clearly out of his comfort zone so he had to make it about him. What a douche.
The first part of the documentary is quite interesting and provides information about the negative aspects of being a pro-gamer. However, there is a point after which the reporter starts to judge those guys behaviour and therefore, he's being biased. He cannot conduct a documentary and emit his opinion like the way he did. In the end, rather than a documentary, it's a video where the journalist expresses his thoughts about e-sports.
Why was this uncomfortable 😂😂😂😂😂
UCHIHA haha, yeah, it made me feel uncomfortable too. . Even the KSI part. He is actually a super, down to earth to guy (especially , being as , "big" as he is).
But; the host was just kinda weird with him. And made it really uncomfortable. . Lol. . Peace, Eric the Eturn
The dude in Korea literally was such a fucking pathetic crybaby. The girls were so no interested in him and literally said they HATE clubs but when they start playing their PC he get mad and then strong arms they into going to a CLUB!?!? Because he was bored and wanted attention from some girls. Then the shit Last was just pathetic. He’s a fucking douchebag.
he is an outsider, instead of him trying to fit into their world, he want them to fit into his world. they became friend because of gaming and have fun together with gaming, and as a new guy he want to change them to fit into his world. i call it selfish.
this is why everyone in korea has glasses
nope
why? Because they sit too close to screens? You know thats been debunked
Because there eyes arent used to looking at things at far distances so those things become blurry, making them need glasses. It is true, there are some very reputable studies out there on it.
Monitors don't cause permanent damage, only temporary, most problems with people with glasses are being born with short sight and shit
Spanners TF bullshit, i have damn good eyesight and I've been staring a foot or two in front of me since I was six. Don't tell me that shit, that's bs. I can read text in books perfectly in 20% luminous areas too, my mom hates that I can do that.
"They leave their bed rooms" lmao is this a jab at gamers or pro players?
jab is used in martial arts
Yuya Fujisawa ikr as if pro players live in their bedrooms and play on their beds wrapped in their blankets 🙄
its a "jab" at the mainstream who beleive all gamers are social losers who live with their parents in the basement or bedroom. Its a stigma that will fade once the millenials hit their 30's.
No.. It's to show the contrast from where they came from. From playing at home for fun, to playing on a stage competitively.
Yuya Fujisawa /
why does he hates so much gaming ? man, just chill
came here for Gimgoon 17:36 after FPX winning S9. My bois came a long way. Congrats!
You should notice that their are no such things as "a millionnaire pro-gamer", the only rich guy we see is actually a CZcamsr, veeery different. Most of the e-sport players are actually really struggling with money...
Look at Faker. He's nowhere poor
But they won millions of dollars (that large of portion goes to their team and sometimes is late or never pays out) so they must be rich right?
Pro-gamer is as hard as other sports but has little to no reward it is a job for fools and truly passionate gamers.
Its one of the rare jobs where getting to the tops only make it harder for yourself and left the players with little to no useful life-skill on retirement.
Its horrifying, to people watching this please don't aspire be a pro-gamer
Mhhm, there are some rich ones now though. And some of the earliest ones that got a lot of branding going like Fatality.
heymelon yes the 1% of 1% of the top players make it big , not exactly a bright career path.
TheinnerCircl3 No. But 1% of the top pros probably gets paid really well . Lets not get crazy by one procenting that small pool as well ;)
I don't like the reporter, no social skills and looks down on gaming...
Its not that the reporter have no social skill,its because he don't speak the esport language.
I just feel like he further reinforces the gaming stereotypes with his subtle comments. I've also notice some Vice reporters fail to acknowledge how ethnocentric their comments are when traveling and examining another country. When something is unfamiliar in our culture our (fail to conform to American standards), it is viewed as weird or wrong. I would like them to be more objective and more knowledgeable about the issues they are presenting to us. Also wish this guys did a bit more research on League of legends prior. =\
He should be punished !
Little hypocritical commentated about the reporters social skills when the Korean gamers are very antisocial
Wetty Fap
Korean games are gays
Vice has fallen over the past couple years with their docs. I wish journalist had some experience with what they are assigned to cover or at least some research from informative sources. Gamers always have that stigmatism of “no lives” which I was called a lot when I was young but coming from a rough neighborhood, gaming kept me away from the bad people. I did have friends throughout high school and had a social life but gaming was always a hobby of mine. The community itself is fun. I have been to several competitions at my local esports arena (Santa Ana) and the people you meet are always nice. Don’t be ashamed to be a gamer.
"playing 18 hours a day" - no certainly not, around 8 hours for sleep and other physical activities + family/friend stuff
How would you know
The video was good. I don't give a shit if the guy-reporter is gay. The video could be better if he had just a bit of humour.
I thought he was hilarious. "But what did I expect? He may not be a household name, but in this world Hai was hot shit, and I had no League of Legends skills to my name."
I found it funny especially the bit with Hai
Yeah, reporter was bland af.
I'm pretty sure everything he said or expressed was for satirical purposes
***** He seemed kinda... dickish
you sent the wrong guy to do the docu
Totally agree. They should have sent somebody actually interested in gaming to do this instead of somebody who treats gamers with scorn.
the dude looks like he's be a complete loser if he didn't work at vice
The journalist acts like a sexual predator with those professional cosplayers and obviously knows nothing about the game at all.
The premise was good to send someone who knows nothing about games to learn about this from the bottom up, the problem is that he was very close minded.
I think he joined vice to get one of the rave documentaries or drug ones. All he wanted to do was go clubbing and drink, that’s all he talked about. Send someone interested in games was definitely a call they should have made.
What an incredible story about Promise (who I didn't know before). Proves that gaming is more than just a game. It's LIFE.
4:52 in Korea the more skin you exposed the more defense you have.
Prediction: Computer Games will become a sport and everyone will get pissed.
It's already a sport.
Benjamin Hack The day they have an Esports category in the Olympics is the day every technophobe dies.
Jurjen SSW It's not. It's a computer game.
Only a computer game.
Watson I don't think eSports will be in the Olympics.
Olympics is for athletes not gamers.
mikoyyuy13 The business behind it is literally called "e sports". Just because it doesn't take any physical strenths, doesn't mean it's not a sport. It's in the fucking newest version of the Dictionary ffs.
I hate how the reporter was mocking gamers throughout the documentary.
not really, but to be fair you did see how they responded/treated him right? like a invisible nobody, like all of a sudden all the picked on kids in school finally found somewhere to group up and outcast everyone like was done to them
Cody Noway he knew that they were going to play games
Don't know what video you were watching
He wasn't, stop being such whiny bitches
TheGooners11 people like you going out every weekend drinking your life away. You have so much that you can't stand properly and you throw up everywhere and end up hospitalised. The music is playing so loud that you can't even hear your friends speaking.
That was great. Didnt think i would watch it all but it was very interesting
Imagine ur first time going clubbing and the drinks are on Vice 🤣🤣 man’s going places
If you think this is stupid, remember, in the US we have competitive eating...
LUL
Much like this no one takes it seriously
Well Matt Stonie, since he does it for a living, but at least you need food to survive lol a necessity and it can also be fun, you don't need games to increase your self esteem
Detallado Problem is that all these millions are not directly transferred to the players as you may think, especially if a team is well established. Some money go to the managers, sponsors etc. why do you think they all live in one house. If I was in their place once I earn my mil I'll bounce of reports and make my own business.
aND KOREA HAS unBUK
Pretty interesting how we have gotten to this point in gaming, also pretty pathetic in my opinion.
You have to be trolling
Funny I have the same opinion of a sports that caused brain injury or permanent debilitating injuries to its player for participating in it, whilst it not being the main purpose of the sport.
All for the sake entertaining tens of millions couch potatoes in the comforts of their home.
MosbeckSB Because he is.
A lot of sport worship is pathetic imo. It's totally accepted to live your life vicariously as a sports team fan your whole life without even playing.
its only pathetic cause its league of legends
Excellent documentary., thx !
57:05 when he gets ignored by Hai. Awesome. "Hai. Bai."
* C9 America's best team* TRIGGERED!!
Love C9 and IMT but TSM still holds best NA team....... for now
Goes on to get destroyed by UOL at IEM over this weekend.
DrUnKZoMbIe007 maybe last tsm but 2014 was the middle of c9 dominating all of Na run
Rymith84 is right. 2014 was C9's year for NA so they were going with what was happening. 13 game win streak in 2014 Spring Split and 3-0ing TSM that split in Finals.
Look at what year this is from.
I wasted 1 hour and 7 minutes of my life hoping for them to mention cs:go
Same
same here xD
LMAO thanks for the heads up. Time to go find another vid.
Aren't cs:go these new chips that are arround in america ?
This is for e-sports not food
LOL was toxic enough who you tryna kill dude?
That club scene is so sweet
Great Video!
While the whole video felt a little condescending, I cracked up when Hai stole his seat xd
Damn the trolls really came out in full force for this video.
Temuulen Gansukh You mean normal people who don't want the tax payer to pay for these idiots when their virtual video game "careers" die and they become homeless over night?
Then ya; I guess many "trolls" are out tonight.
You really can't predict where eSports are gonna go. It might crash and burn, or go onto flourish in unique circumstances like the X Games. In reality it probably will continue to grow as long as companies want to sponsor and viewers keep watching
Many sports higher ups like Mavs owner Mark Cuban and Rockets GM Daryl Morey both have expressed interest and see potential in eSports. Call of Duty and Counter Strike were at the last 2 XGames events. Even the freaking Olympics are considering eSports to draw a younger market that no longer care for the Olympics.
i dont think its trolls but people mad they cant make money like this. LOL
James Murrey how is it different from a physical sport player who's career has ended?
trolls? you're an idiot. Just because most of us don't consider this a sport doesn't mean we're trolls.
This guy is the exact reason why gamers dont let outsiders into their world. Everyone just gets looked at as a nerd when in fact a lot of them make more money then this guy will ever have.
_ Red but it’s an online game moooom!
qcgaming09 Sure buddy, whatever helps you sleep at night.
qcgaming09 being a nerd has nothing to do with money but I understand what you’re saying
haha yeah those normies dont get us xD
but they are.... cringy people at best
Selling something with the brand of your team is not capitalising, is giving your fans a way to cheer and support you with their money
while getting something to remember you and share with others (passion/admiration). They are supporters of the game and team you fight with.
I cannot verbally explain how happy I am that this was put on vice and not vice sports
why are all vice interviewers the most awkward unprofessional , mono tone
Thats their style
Watch simon ostrovsky documentaries for vice news, those are always amazing.
if he researched and respected the eSports movement, especially how far it has come so quickly - I would've liked this. What a wasted opportunity.
Sammie says keep in mind this was made for TV and mostly older people to watch. This is a documentary about how insanely big something as simple as before has gone. I think he was a little bit too nice to the gaming community in my opinion.
From being a long time gamer, to somebody that only has the time to enjoy that pleasure 2 or 3 days out of the week, i'd say this is a great documentary for somebody that barely understands esports. Hell i've been playing video games for as long as my memory goes back... never been into esports, just not my thing. But i'd say Matt brings up an interesting point of view, being a reporter who doesn't understand to slowly getting it over his time there and interviewing. There's always multiple points of views to everything, good or bad, doesn't really matter. Hell he dives into the whole backscene of esports from cosplay all the way up to managers, which is an interesting point of view that most people wouldn't understand unless it was something that they understood or wanted to know about. This is a great "expand your scopes" documentary. Sure he was naive and didn't completely understand things at first... but how else would you just jump into a topic, you gotta start from somewhere (Taking into consideration that he was genuinly interested in the topic of this doc from the get go). Plus as you can tell he's not a represintitive of the community at all, he's not trying to represent the community, he's trying to represent understanding of it. Like I said before I was never into esports and didn't originally get it outside of how "actual" sports fandom (Baseball, Basketball, etc. ) works which is a great analogy honestly, albeit not exactly but atleast captures tthe nuance of it.
But after watching this documentary i'd definitely say I get esports... I may not be into it, but I understand and respect it in its own right... which is kind of the goal of this documentary as definitely shown in Matt's closing statements. You can look at this doc in many ways, but i'd definitely say its interestingly informative about a good amount of esports culture.
"energy drinks go with gaming like weed goes with reggae" Who let this guy do this documentary... Jesus
"The Kinky one" and "The Wizard one"... At least send someone who knows what they're doing...
The documentary shows a dismissive attitude from "gamers" to outsiders. Well done on proving that.
people saying video games is a sport, this is the definition of sport: An activity involving physical exertion and skill that is governed by a set of rules or customs and often undertaken competitively so dont tell me video games are a sport.
Well you are technically exerting energy into your fingers, So by that definition you are a moron :3
We live in a world where chess is recognize as a sport so no.
And its E-sport not sport.
What about shooting, archery, fishing or even golf. They all (including e-sports) must take up a lot of skill and concentration. #checkyourprivilege
Juan pablo Cantador youre thinking of athletics, videogames are in the same category as poker, which everyone agrees is a sport, so rethink your antiquated views
vicente valiente that just makes no sense! Haha
never heard someone say "computer games" so much in my life
Good Documentary :)
i feel as though this is THE most condescending "documentary" i've ever seen.
VICE: Hey you can you speak korean or know anythng about esports
Reporter: Nah man I like clubbing though
VICE: Perfect! You're hired!
This is like someone watched 2 pro tournament streams and decided to make a documentary.
This reminded me of that south park episode where Cartman and the boys get all fat by playing World of Warcraft lol
This documentary makes it seems like eSports only started when LoL came out. It started with Starcraft and has been around for a while. I remember watching live competitions on TV over 10 years ago.
Without the Warcraft series. Dota and League Of Legends would have never existed. I hope most people know that?
Warcraft/CounterStrike and many more games started the whole scene
I find it weird that no football or B-ball documentary ever brought up addiction to the sport, whereas pretty much every time eSports is on the table, it get's brought up. How about you actually let go of your prejudice and deal with eSports in one documentary and addiction in another, as the two aren't even remotely related.
There's a reason most games in Japan and Korea tell you to take breaks, though. People have died sitting in PC cafe chairs after 3+ day gaming marathons. It's hard to become addicted to a physical activity when you need to rest every couple days. It's really easy to become addicted to something that you can binge on for as long as you want. Addiction and gaming are very much related.
Zoronii Gaming addiction is definitely something very serious, but it has nothing to do with eSports.
Well, as an alternative comparison, there has been condemnation about the physical injuries of sports that have led to other problems, including mental ones. Nevertheless, gaming has differences that Zoronii already listed and the general connection of gaming with health. Also, there was a part in the video where a researcher apparently said that there are differences in brain activity between eSports and "addiction"; nevertheless this doesn't justify any true distinction.
+DirtySnape I remember reading from Arnold Schwarzenegger that he broke into a gym so he could pump at night. After cops came he was just training but had to get in for some reason at middle of a night.
Zipperheads playing video games to the point where it becomes a sport. That sums up this video perfectly.
The problem is in video games your reflexes and dexterity only last for so long physically which is where most of it comes down to. Not only skill but peak reflexes only last a few years if that. Ive noticed my gaming peak was when I was about 17-19 now its much lower in terms of doing well competition wise.
“Why? Because of a little thing known as SWAG”
this journalist is a bit out of his..league
"the spiral cats have left me for hai" ya like u deserve their attention stop whining about not being able to be with the hottest cosplayers in korea u know next to nothing about esports
Shit dude. You don't know a single thing about sarcasm huh. Obviously he's not into eSports, so he could give a rat's ass if some nerd was grabbing the "hottest cosplayers in Korea" attention lool
How to play this game on a Mac?
59:58 lmao , very nice shouting !!!!!! love it :)
The point is people are attracted to performance, skill, competition, and a sense of community. It's not about the physicality of it. It's great to watch people who are incredibly talented and trained compete to prove they are the very best. In that sense eSports are like regular sports.
Regardless of what you think, this will happen whether you like it or not, so why be so negative about it? Maybe consider your reaction is based on some bias or fear of the unknown.
Khanzeal Marr Ahahah,spot on!
A reflected human being.. To arms!
***** As someone that's old,I'm going to give you a little advice.Life goes by very quick and spending countless hours and days obsessed watching others play sports or games that you're not personally involved in is a waste of precious time.
You don't realize it but you've been manipulated by society to think these things add value to your life when in truth it's just a distraction from reality and from you being the individual you were meant to be.
Live your "Own" life to the fullest and forget this corporate crap being shoved down you throat for their bottom line.
I appreciate the sentiment, but you don't really know me or how I lead my life which makes you wholly unqualified to give me tailored advice. Good day.
Have fun with what you like,just remember you only get one chance at life and your time here isn't guaranteed.I use to spend a lot of time watching TV until one day I said "no more" and got rid of it! that was 20yrs ago and I get so much more done by "doing" instead of being a spectator.That's the point I was trying to say,no judgement on you.
good day
Imagine Dragons is actually really popular wtf.
thank you, I can't believe no one else pointed that out.
i know, fuck this guy.
Really like the documentary and the reporter did a great job in my opinion.
Im pretty sure VICE had some fame under its name back then to use it to get interviews with these gamers lol then again this was 3-5 years ago but idk
67 million lol players!? My god! I gotta play this shit.
Its a waste of time imo
Reginald Amedee 67 million ppl vs. @Savvas Sa hmmm wonder whos right.
Reginald Amedee feels like Dota 2 and Starcraft 2 are much more popular
Reginald Amedee popularity doesnt always equal fun
in fact you will not have much fun even when you win
441meatloaf personal opinion: for me theres something frustrating about MOBAs in general no matter if you win or lose. there are games that are fun even when you lose but its not the case here
KSI is barely a gamer, he's just an annoying and weirdly popular internet personality. I hate that he's rich for that. Why can't I go and scream at Fifa and make millions?
+Terry Sawyer He is a gamer, he plays games. Though the way he makes his money is by being a complete buffoon to his subscribers and that is something different.
+Carlos R yeh he really seems like a horrible guy.
+Terry Sawyer Because you lack the personality and swag
+Terry Sawyer Try to post from 2 to 6 videos per a week for 5 years , maybe u gonna get paid for it !
u never now
In all fairness though, you don't know what he does not how he in his spare time.
He seemed to get a little agitated after they ate and had a few drinks and then went to the PC Bang lol
Holy Christ, the music at 27:50 is insanely trippy. I was blasted and then I started hearing that and it pulled me back into rreality in an awesome way loll I cringed each time he tried talking to Hai
Did he just call sona a wizard😂
he did -_-
He called battlecast cho'gath skin " the dragon thing " OMG LET ME DIE LMAO
If any of these zips that think they're hot shit for playing video games gave me attitude like that..
They would be shown why they're playing video games for a living.
midevilmonkeyterd please elaborate how I'm racist
Bobby Manna HAhaha Our world would never accept them as we accept sport stars because sport is something natural to humans and esports isn't
Daniel K As time passes the youth will be more interested in e sports tho which is upsetting in 2035.. that shit will be dominating around the world.
Bobby Manna I don't really believe that. The hardcore gaming community in the west is still really small compared to the whole youth
Daniel K 2035 is 20 years from now. Do you not understand that?
Saw this when it came out few years ago I remember when they said something about esports taking over real sports I think it may be happening
whoever did the decal pull the A off the wall in shepard at 42:17 lmao
You have to be a badass to give yourself the nickname "Cool".
thats cool !
he used to be one of the biggest names in esports so yes he was a badass
and he's still good at the game so + badass points
It's so odd to see this from a non-gamer's perspective.
this is an awful "documentary" and does not represent the community much at all
Eh i'd disagree. From being a long time gamer, to somebody that only has the time to enjoy that pleasure 2 or 3 days out of the week, i'd say this is a great documentary for somebody that barely understands esports. Hell i've been playing video games for as long as my memory goes back... never been into esports, just not my thing. But i'd say Matt brings up an interesting point of view, being a reporter who doesn't understand to slowly getting it over his time there and interviewing. There's always multiple points of views to everything, good or bad, doesn't really matter. Hell he dives into the whole backscene of esports from cosplay all the way up to managers, which is an interesting point of view that most people wouldn't understand unless it was something that they understood or wanted to know about. This is a great 'expand your scopes' documentary. Sure he was naive and didn't completely understand things at first... but how else would you just jump into a topic, you gotta start from somewhere (Taking into consideration that he was genuinly interested in the topic of this doc from the get go). Plus as you can tell he's not a represintitive of the community at all, he's not trying to represent the community, he's trying to represent understanding of it. Like I said before I was never into esports and didn't really get it outside of how actual sports work(Baseball, basketball, etc. ) is a great analogy for how it works.
After watching this documentary i'd definitely say I get esports... I may not be into it, but I understand and respect it in its own right... which is kind of the goal of this documentary as definitely shown in Matt's closing statements
Well said Crazyface39.
as they say, its for people who dont know anything about the culture of gaming. this is not a docu that shows what leage of legends is, lol.
Don't worry, from a gamer's perspective it's odd as well...
Vice staff meeting: Does anybody in this room hate video games and knows nothing about it?
Matt: Me
Vice: You're hired!
>documentary about competitive
>sees ksi
oh
EDIT: also love how the the vice host got cucked by hai