A heated debate between EFF and AfriForum in studio, over "Kill the Boer, Kill the Farmer" chant. For more news, visit sabcnews.com and #SABCNews on all Social Media platforms.
@@luzukombuqu4976 I honestly don't know. Since the EFF can't do anything without handouts. But perhaps they can see why Asians and European societies succeeded even after terrible atrocities were committed. All while not singing songs of revenge. Not singing a song about killing is always an option. I know it is a wild idea for those filled with hatred.
Same way Malema has brought the sympathy of the West to White South Africans. Before that they dismissed them as moaners. The newspapers abroad were likening Malema to Hitler, especially when he stood on the podium with his hand out like Hitler. If I was White, I would thank Malema. They will not have to go in dinghy boats to the West and try to convince them their asylum claims are genuine. Malema made it genuine for them.
@@keigh-otic8034 Certainly they are the leader of society on many pertinent issues affecting black life, the 1 million+ members should each take 10 friends to the voting station next year. ANC has sold out the revolution.
The ANC has betrayed the indigenous South African people. Black people, make Malema your president & restore your dignity. Btw, this EFF spokes person deserves an award.
@@turmoil4360 Where did you guys come from, and why cant you go back there, you are not wanted here, you were never invited and your stay has been painful for us, It would be justice If you just left peacefully.
@@sibongilemolale3431 I understand you are pained due to what our people have been through in the hands of the colonialists & invaders. But let’s accept & show love towards everyone identified as a South African no matter their race. But there must be an equal distribution of the Country’s rich resources & vast land among all the different races. It is so unfair for the economy to be highly dominated by the white minority even after political freedom in 1994. It’s also very painful to see black people living in terrible conditions in one of the world’s richest Countries. Let’s show love to all but let there be fairness & justice to all races. Btw, I’m a Cameroonian but I closely follow SA’s politics & I believe the EFF and Julius Malema are the best thing to happen to Africa in our generation. The economic liberation of the indigenous SA’s will send a strong message to the whole continent of Africa & bring about a revolutionary change. Thank you!
It is 2024 and today on 09 of march we were singing the song as EFF in mpumalanga and we will continue to sing it there is nothing they can do about it viva EFF we will vote for EFF on the twenty nine of may like it or not ❤❤❤❤
if the lyrics was reversed and instead of boer it was black the amount of time to get it banned and the person singing it to be in jail will be as fast as eskom implements load shedding
We made a mistake by forgiving people who were never sorry. When they said kill them they literally did it. This song was sang way back but we never acted on the song but I believe if it was them they would do it without any hesitation.
Splifftv9089 with your pleasure Brandy, coke, smoke cocaïne abnormale destroying the Country its mess we going to stop buying yours producten all over the World
Has anyone in our country noticed the correlation between less farmers due to murders and farmers emigrating to safer countries, and the price increases of our basic and regular and luxury foods. We pay extremely high prices for food
No not at all. The cost of living and food is up due to the Ukraine and Russia war nothing to do with some lousy privileged white farmers moving to a ''safer'' country. What those farmers can do African farmers can do better. If you think South Africa is not safe for you maybe you should start thinking going back where you came from?
I wish one of the DA members could sing the chant to remind white people that we are in South African. This chant is synomimous with black history and our struggle as a people.
What rubbish! Most whites still alive in this country had nothing to do with apartheid. Must we persecute Germans today because of what happened 80 years ago? How long are you going to use the apartheid crutch to blame others for your failures.
Rubbish what white man ever gunned down a black father who was shielding his wife and 2 little daughters from the bullets of an AK 47, tell me ONE such incident, you disgust me
Where does Afriforum get these people to represent them? All these people are failing any debate dismally, looks like the brandy and coke story true...🤣🤣
@@niphodladla4385yes, and guess what, you eat potatoes everyday produced by those very farmers you would love to kill, and it isn't just white farmers you are killing. A farmer produces food for all races. When you can't find potatoes on the shelf of your local supermarket do some introspection.
I still want clarity here,Malema never sing alone at FNB stadium.Over 130 000 were chanting too, why Afriforun & DA not open case against to that number ???
People talking about let's go forward, forward where? Oppressors will never change, America is a perfect example of how these oppressors feel and treat dark skinned people
Are you talking about the dark skinned people you enslaved and put on ships or the ones we've had as president, Vice president, Attorney general, senator, congressperson, sports star, music star, movie star? Asking as an American where we outlawed slavery 150 years ago. Oh, and the whites in South Africa never had slavery? Just built farms where nobody lived while you ate bugs. And now you want what he built. Got it.
I agree with you. We need to ban BEE, give back the 51% of businesses we did nothing to build, scrap the racist water quota, ask the anc and eff to employ more than just blacks, get informal traders to start paying tax and convict the illegal electricity connectors.
The problem with us as black people is to forgive people who never asked for forgiveness and this useless Ubuntu thing, until inequality is solved there will be no rainbow nation
The problem is you love playing the victim because your Black leaders love using your self image to enslave your mind , but carry on ...its wearing off
@@siyafaith5615 Its clear you are black .....so what ? Go look how your Black Government is working out in Sudan , CAR , Mali , Ethiopia all at war with themselves ALL BLACK what's the excuse for that complete mess ?? Maybe get over the fact you are BLACK and just consider yourself human
And that forgiveness that is sought will be in the form of...? Please let me understand what is needed for us to move beyond this point to a more positive and uplifting future.
Problem is, to destroy inequality you need all races to pull together. This will not happen whilst people (like Malema et al) are still singing / believing in those words.
SA has zero future, like Zim and most other African countries. I guess if one is happy with very low standards then no power, no clean water, no post, bad telecoms, no law and 24000 murders, then you may be hopeful. The place is a sh&^-hole.
This guy hasn’t heard of Floyd Shivambu, Mbuyiseni Ndloz, Sinawo Tambo and Mandisa Mashego, it’s easy to ridicule something that you have never given the chance to understand, these are amazing leader who stand for the truth of black people in Africa
As always a very intelligent and composed Blain Herman, who carried his questiioning diligently and contained the show. This platform creates a great awareness, of culture towards betterment of humanity.
Afriforum is very vocal in the lyrics of a song but can't be vocal on the injustices that befell black people in the hands of their ancestors. If we are removing this song as a struggle song than it means we remove every struggle song that has been part of the black person's history. It is no secret that we still live as oppressed people and the only thing that can correct this is if all the injustices of the past are fixed.
@@MsLUFC So its hate when white CEOs shown they can't reason? And its exposition of corruption and inferiority when black CEOs are shown to fail to reason. Haha. Different rules for different races huh.
White South African's are so lucky to have had Mandela. I don't like to say this because it feels wrong but when I see how White South African's behave, the arrogance, racism and entitlement, it pains me to say but Mandela sold us out. If only Malema was there in 1994 and Chris Hani had not been murdered, we would have dealt with them properly, once and for all! Viva EFF viva, iAfrica mayibuye! Amanhla...
White arrogance. Kriel had no notion of the brilliance of the person he was going to debate because he thinks his white skin automatically renders views factual, morally correct & more compelling. This is despite all research, crime statistics and judicial findings. Their delusion of supremacy is their number one enemy.
How old is the song and how many murders has the song incite ? Afriforum wants to contain the current status quo. There's no future in the South Africa if the social inequalities are not discussed honestly...
@EuroAfrican I would love to hear your honest response on social inequalities, and please don't base it on corruption because that's not the major factor we all know it, but the very system that created the song that you all are about.......
Did you select this pannel mainly from EFF supporters? The best speaker was Sheldon from Stellenbosch University and the young people phoning in. The main EFF speaker could only justify his narrative by being derogatory and bringing up brandy and bushveld visits. The Boer has had to move on many times from oppression themselves. Time to move on, everybody has had their struggles. Look at this country's history. We are now 30 years into a democracy! This song is just plain wrong and just as hurtful to whites as the old flag and that ugly word is to black people.
Ayandambatha its look like a sciencefiction the publiek which dont have respect to each others they interested in Destroying they Country its mess up soon óf later they will have biggest problem With Financieel
I think we need to be educated thoroughly about our history. We are forgetting where we're coming from. We cannot speak of unity without correcting the mistakes we made in our past. This songs it's a reminder of where we are coming from. We cannot be expected to act as if the past did not happen. We will always refer to it, in order to build a peaceful Africa.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT "KILL THE BOER" SONG IS A HISTORY SO WE WILL KEEP OUR AFRICAN HISTORY. WE SHOULD NOT BE STOPPED. OUR HISTORY IS HISTORY AND SHOULD STAY.
I am a Gospel artist from KENYA, and I know one thing for sure... A killer is a killer with or without a song... Some can kill even listening to a piece of gospel music. Struggle songs exist because we have struggled... Oppressors also have their kind of songs or chants which relate to their struggles, and we are not always yelling against them, some are morally incorrect but we have let you guys be. VIVA EFF.
Please read Micah 2:1-3, Therefore, the Lord says : What sorrow awaits you who lie awake at night, thinking up evil plans. You rise at dawn and hurry to carry them out simply because you have the power to do so. 3) But this is what the Lord says I will reward your evil with evil ; you won't be able to pull your neck out of the noose. You will no longer walk around proudly, for it will be a terrible time. Beware of God's wrath, coming sooner than later. 🙏 🙏 🙌 🙌
@@wilmaconradie8382 this is a great verse, though am not sure of how it relates with the subject here... The song is not a plot to harm anyone, if we could separate our fears from the chant(not unless we are the oppressors), we would find that its just but a freedom chant... regardless of race.
It's interesting to see how the EFF spokesperson handles interview questions. "What is so special about the white" I love this from the EFF spokesperson, he's fearless, a true son of Africa.
Indeed. Let Blacks be ruled by Blacks. No White workers to sustain them. It has worked everywhere else. Africa is great without White people sustaining it.
Nothing is special about a white person, just as nothing is special about black people, just as nothing is special about coloreds, asians, indians and any other race. I am not above you, and you are not above me. The problem is that an entire race group is being hated for long past history. Just as the Zulu's killed, how many whites in the Slag van Bloedrivier. Even if land is given back it would still not fix anything of the past. Unfortunately the government is keep the poor poor and stealing from the poor, regardless of race. We are all South Africans. We all suffer, we all have a past. The Government IS KEEPING US DIVIDED. This country will never see the light of day if we carry on like this, it will never get better, its going downhill faster then you realize and nothing you currently do is helping to improve your country
Let's also talk about the ridiculous systemic poverty our people have been subjected to. We cannot make such a big deal about a chant and not talk about economic depravity experienced by black SAs. This is the time to talk about everything. Let's put everything on the table, including land issues.
@@fillipfrance7403 Apartheid is the cause of poverty and not our fellow black people in government. They stealing from the government because they do not own the means of production, if they did they wouldn’t harmer the government!
But they do. It is just not widely publised simply because it does not suit the ANC to do so. Don't be dribbled by politicians and unless you take the time to do the actual research you won't know better.
Not at fought, are you at fought, do people really think at all? For every cause there is a reaction What is your cause? That caused you to be motivated and concerned. Can you live with the fact that you hate with no cause except GREED and classify for privilege? Have you found yourself in these words? Makes me no difference how you answer. Education you say, seems that these Africans are better educated than those who pursue them, and they seem to understand that they have given enough without a song, maybe a song is what's needed. As with every song timing is key it makes the dance. But it's just a song. Just a suggestion educate yourselves then pick a side, and remember that the truth hurts.❤
If you want peace and a future you dont sing kill. Period there is zero justification for that. And what makes matters worst is Julius made his hand like a gun and sang " prrrr pa pa " come on guys really lets not be ignorant.
You not allow. I too am voting for eff.. Encouraging my family and community to vote for them too... We need change and a party that will not be scared to face white supremacy.. I have confidence in them and they look organized
@zoltanmeszaros7222 that struggle didn't start 30 years ago. It started in the 1600s when the ill hearted ones got off their ships and forcefully took what was not theirs. Later, they used regulations to keep natives from taking back what was taken from them.
They have already started advocating for it because they want to push the agenda and the misrepresentation of our history, they will tell us to forget about history while they never forget about the importance of keeping the ill gains of Apartheid. Disgusting behavior
@@lebraa9233 If they are so great then why don't they go to Netherlands and feed other Netherlands and leave us here to feed other Africans? What are they doing here?
@@wahwah7701 Wahwah EU 'S they have been feeding alot of lives in that SA i have not idea what you are talking about whose feeding Who ? You can say what ever you like
Look, if even one boer was murdered in a horrible way on his farm every 20 years, just one,it is still not nice to sing publicly "Kill the Boer, Kill the farmer". Have you read how horrible those murders are? Imagine that was one of your family members or friends, how traumatized you would be. Then you hear people singing that song?
The arrogance and hatred towards white people must be stopped. Most people want PEACE but this useless 10% party wants blood! It wants 'revenge'...it wants to stoke the fires of hatred! It's time for these EFF bullies to be put into place....the law must take its course...imagine if whites sang Kill the Blacks? Or if Whites sang Kill the EFF! There would be absolute outrage!!!!!! In God's eyes we are all equal! SA needs Jesus!! So proud of Afriforum! Fighting for JUSTICE! For every peace-loving South African- black and white and Indian and Coloured!
You nuts. He' talking nonsense and then about brandy and coke. Seriously , he's a stupid. Who mumbles and grumbles like a stoopid on television. That's embarrassing. 😒
User- tm1gm4d Eloquent EFF is a biggest Bunch hooligans destroying the Country as you like the 🔥this what s going to effect themselvers Price increasing in yours supermarkets take a look your Valuta you are going to come Crisis
They're even building a white only town called ORANIA ...but Thina we must think about moving forward together?? How do....these people make me sick man
One thing got me shivering. The word "Boer " means farmer. It doesn't mean "white farmer". But the fact that in South Africa it means white farmer tells all you need to know about the racial inequalities in the country!
if we could get rid of all politicians the rest of us would get on just fine. politicians need us to take sides, they need to pray on our differences, because if we had no differences, there would be no need for them (there really isn't a need for them). highlighting and exaggerating those differences brings on a heightened sense of tribalism, for the sole purpose of getting us to choose sides. no politician is going to do anything to help you unless it helps them first, doesn't matter if that is the DA, EFF, ANC, FF it makes no difference. they are a self serving, corrupt, and immoral breed. forget about them.
Our first mistake was to forgive people who have never asked for forgiveness
Eternal victimhood.
I agree. This song is still relevant bcz look at them.
@@jackdaw6359what do you want them to do? Singing songs of praise for those who stole, abused and killed them?
@@luzukombuqu4976 I honestly don't know. Since the EFF can't do anything without handouts. But perhaps they can see why Asians and European societies succeeded even after terrible atrocities were committed. All while not singing songs of revenge. Not singing a song about killing is always an option. I know it is a wild idea for those filled with hatred.
I fully agree with you this people are taking us for ride
EFF filling the FNB stadium has become a thorn in flesh of EFF haters both Black n White 😢
It's laughable who people always refer to Mandela, EFF doesn't have any pre-arrangement with Mandela
This is the greatest presenter at SABC I rilly respect him with how he question.😊
EFF has dealt with him before.
Afriforum has a funny way of uniting people. They went to court to fight for the display the old SA flag....funny folk these ones
He would have stopped those chants a long time ago if his attitude was different. He will not work people up if he meant differently.
Same way Malema has brought the sympathy of the West to White South Africans. Before that they dismissed them as moaners. The newspapers abroad were likening Malema to Hitler, especially when he stood on the podium with his hand out like Hitler. If I was White, I would thank Malema. They will not have to go in dinghy boats to the West and try to convince them their asylum claims are genuine. Malema made it genuine for them.
A feeling of entitlement.
Be quiet. You lost the right to get offended when you threw a fit about hair shampoo
That’s crazzyyy🤣🤣
This EFF spork person speaks like a machine 😂😂😂 350 words in 30seconds 😂😂
He wins n he will always win 🏆
Just like their Leader🤣👑
Still a rascist though
Bs is cheap and easy. Flowing like the sewerage in the townships.
@@rinaevans9705 great comment..may be this is the reason why they continue to sing the song...???
robot that one
For me it's the calmness of the presenter, he is impartial 😂😂😂
The guy wearing a EFF Tshirt is thinking outside the box, his an intellectual being.🔥🔥♥️
He's a racist
Its Bunch hypocriet radicale non brain washed 🤑🤑
🤣🤣🤣Intellectual😂😂😂
@@flyboy496 flyboy Sorry intellectuele their are not so rude these are hooligans insulting other Politicians to think they have troon as Lions 🤣🤣🤣🤣👎👎
Every Fools Fellow. You've been duped
EFF is no longer just a political party but it has become an institution of black excellence.
And black consciousness
@@keigh-otic8034 Certainly they are the leader of society on many pertinent issues affecting black life, the 1 million+ members should each take 10 friends to the voting station next year. ANC has sold out the revolution.
An institution of racism and Satanic tendencies
Biko is proud of the EFF
Volume plizzz! A refined institution
The ANC has betrayed the indigenous South African people. Black people, make Malema your president & restore your dignity. Btw, this EFF spokes person deserves an award.
Indigenous people of South Africa....now who might that be?
@@turmoil4360 All Black People who hail from the African continent. Go read your history books. Thank you
where did you come from axactly?
@@turmoil4360 Where did you guys come from, and why cant you go back there, you are not wanted here, you were never invited and your stay has been painful for us, It would be justice If you just left peacefully.
@@sibongilemolale3431 I understand you are pained due to what our people have been through in the hands of the colonialists & invaders. But let’s accept & show love towards everyone identified as a South African no matter their race. But there must be an equal distribution of the Country’s rich resources & vast land among all the different races. It is so unfair for the economy to be highly dominated by the white minority even after political freedom in 1994. It’s also very painful to see black people living in terrible conditions in one of the world’s richest Countries. Let’s show love to all but let there be fairness & justice to all races. Btw, I’m a Cameroonian but I closely follow SA’s politics & I believe the EFF and Julius Malema are the best thing to happen to Africa in our generation. The economic liberation of the indigenous SA’s will send a strong message to the whole continent of Africa & bring about a revolutionary change. Thank you!
It is 2024 and today on 09 of march we were singing the song as EFF in mpumalanga and we will continue to sing it there is nothing they can do about it viva EFF we will vote for EFF on the twenty nine of may like it or not ❤❤❤❤
if the lyrics was reversed and instead of boer it was black the amount of time to get it banned and the person singing it to be in jail will be as fast as eskom implements load shedding
YOU DON'T UNDERSTAND CONTEXT , REALLY SLOW PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE FUNNY
@MightyBlackPanther the same thing is said about the word n☆gger
Sinawo is in a league of his own❤
Thank goodness for that because no one else should be this racist.
👍👍👌👌💪💪👏👏
A league of bigoted genocidal delusion while his big fat belly is full with the farmer's food 😂
Superior logic wins again 😊
Sinawo should be the minister of defence when EFF win in 2024
@@jameskillu9171🙏🏾
Correct, Kriel was far superior.
@@gm.Observerlol the guy only knows to plant potatoes, pure illiterate
The destroyed this one here 😂😂
We made a mistake by forgiving people who were never sorry. When they said kill them they literally did it. This song was sang way back but we never acted on the song but I believe if it was them they would do it without any hesitation.
It's not too late
Sorry for what.
You've never forgiven
@mutanazublond4391 not too late for what?
Big mistake we did bro
Now they even want to convince us that they're innocent
The land question is nonNegotiable
😂😂😂That nonsense he make him to drink water because heater attack was attacking him herrrrrr bro
I so was wishing for him not getting a heart attack on the show...would like to know if he is alright though.
HAHAHAH HOE DIE BOER IS, DIS HOE HY SY GASTE VERTROU! #KISSTHEBOER
😂😂😂I saw him
Let's give flowers to our spokesperson 😂
🔴🟢⚫
Viva eff
That brandy and coke line finished me 🤣🤣🤣
It was perfect 😂
Spelling 😢
😂😂😂😂😂
Its true 😂
White guy even laughed on that line
Many people saying that the song is dividing us but we are still divided since the forces removals
Brandy and coke drinkers are catching smoke 😂😂😂
Red heart and coke🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Splifftv9089 with your pleasure Brandy, coke, smoke cocaïne abnormale destroying the Country its mess we going to stop buying yours producten all over the World
@@MasonwabeM madonwabem many pleasure with coke, cocaïne a Bunch adoratie hooligans destroying the Country altogether 😭😭
😂😂😂😂
I'm black Zimbabwean drinking brandy nd coke whilst watching 😅 enjoying the roast
Sinawo is King✊🏽
Of kfc
He is a barbaric subhuman
@@olafnilsen1641 Racist chest pain
@@tumiwilson7482 better than heartburn from all that KFC. Do you see that boep?
@@olafnilsen1641 that is all you have left. Insults over chest pains 😘
Has anyone in our country noticed the correlation between less farmers due to murders and farmers emigrating to safer countries, and the price increases of our basic and regular and luxury foods. We pay extremely high prices for food
When food is in short supply they will complain of "white sabotage"...
No not at all. The cost of living and food is up due to the Ukraine and Russia war nothing to do with some lousy privileged white farmers moving to a ''safer'' country. What those farmers can do African farmers can do better. If you think South Africa is not safe for you maybe you should start thinking going back where you came from?
I wish one of the DA members could sing the chant to remind white people that we are in South African.
This chant is synomimous with black history and our struggle as a people.
A guilty conscience will make you claim your life is in danger because you fear revenge for what you did.
What rubbish! Most whites still alive in this country had nothing to do with apartheid. Must we persecute Germans today because of what happened 80 years ago? How long are you going to use the apartheid crutch to blame others for your failures.
Rubbish what white man ever gunned down a black father who was shielding his wife and 2 little daughters from the bullets of an AK 47, tell me ONE such incident, you disgust me
They behave the same way in the United States, the minority culture of the world, white Europeans.
On point brother, on point 🤙🏼🇹🇹
Revenge is the real issue here
Where does Afriforum get these people to represent them? All these people are failing any debate dismally, looks like the brandy and coke story true...🤣🤣
They only know to plant potatoes
Lol I thought so too,they very bad at debating or reasoning 😂😂😂😂
This is a whole CEO
@@dumisanid8733 😂😂😂go figure, afriforum is irrelevant broe
@@niphodladla4385yes, and guess what, you eat potatoes everyday produced by those very farmers you would love to kill, and it isn't just white farmers you are killing. A farmer produces food for all races. When you can't find potatoes on the shelf of your local supermarket do some introspection.
We’ve been separated long time ago, they all pretending we know the truth they never loved us.
Sinawo represented us well thank you true son of the soil❤
I still want clarity here,Malema never sing alone at FNB stadium.Over 130 000 were chanting too, why Afriforun & DA not open case against to that number ???
They know they can't do anything. So they go after the head just to gain cheap points on the road to the 2024 election.
😂😂😂😂😂130,000 individuals
130 000,01 parasites
😂
@@froloejoe9081does matter. Can you rally 2 people for an event? Tsuuuip
People talking about let's go forward, forward where? Oppressors will never change, America is a perfect example of how these oppressors feel and treat dark skinned people
Guys, we can defeat this white cancer, we just got to be willing to do it at any cost
Broski... These people have absolutely no shame. None whatsoever.
Are you talking about the dark skinned people you enslaved and put on ships or the ones we've had as president, Vice president, Attorney general, senator, congressperson, sports star, music star, movie star? Asking as an American where we outlawed slavery 150 years ago. Oh, and the whites in South Africa never had slavery? Just built farms where nobody lived while you ate bugs. And now you want what he built. Got it.
THE CRIME IN SOUTH AFRICA is ALL the proof we need that people are taking the song literally. FULL STOP!!!!!!!!!!
The way Sinawo commands the Queens languange 🤗
Racism needs to be addressed in our country.
So is the land issue.
It needs to be taken up a notch. Love that song
Lock n load.....
let them leave, black africans should get rid of them from the continent
YUP
I agree with you. We need to ban BEE, give back the 51% of businesses we did nothing to build, scrap the racist water quota, ask the anc and eff to employ more than just blacks, get informal traders to start paying tax and convict the illegal electricity connectors.
Senawo is a verbal slaughter 😅😂 a hitman, EFF is our future ❤
They must tell the UN. Talk about why these songs exist at the UN.
Starvation is your future. I hope your little brain can comprehend that
I really hope the EFF wins. The faster this country will fall and then u will be forced to eat each other again.
The future of your misery. There will be an outflow of capital if that party wins an election.
@@yessirree5747we will eat you first 😂
Kallie you are living in a different world, after you stole people's land and wealth you are coming to tell what to sing very poor judgement
Sinawo is only 27 years old
The age Juju started EFF at.
Very smart young intellectual. 🎉
The problem with us as black people is to forgive people who never asked for forgiveness and this useless Ubuntu thing, until inequality is solved there will be no rainbow nation
The problem is you love playing the victim because your Black leaders love using your self image to enslave your mind , but carry on ...its wearing off
It's a lie, we had codesa in this country and apologies were said. What will sorry DO YO YOU OR FOR YOU anyway????? I'm black by the way.
@@siyafaith5615 Its clear you are black .....so what ? Go look how your Black Government is working out in Sudan , CAR , Mali , Ethiopia all at war with themselves ALL BLACK what's the excuse for that complete mess ?? Maybe get over the fact you are BLACK and just consider yourself human
And that forgiveness that is sought will be in the form of...?
Please let me understand what is needed for us to move beyond this point to a more positive and uplifting future.
Problem is, to destroy inequality you need all races to pull together. This will not happen whilst people (like Malema et al) are still singing / believing in those words.
I have hope, so much hope in our country listening to young man like Sinawo
SA has zero future, like Zim and most other African countries. I guess if one is happy with very low standards then no power, no clean water, no post, bad telecoms, no law and 24000 murders, then you may be hopeful. The place is a sh&^-hole.
He will sell you into slavery for a photo of a new BMW.
This guy hasn’t heard of Floyd Shivambu, Mbuyiseni Ndloz, Sinawo Tambo and Mandisa Mashego, it’s easy to ridicule something that you have never given the chance to understand, these are amazing leader who stand for the truth of black people in Africa
This Eff guy lost the debate the minute he made the first "brandy and coke" joke.
You don't win an argument by insulting your opposition.
You clearly aren't following the debate
Lost? The only thing lost here is you losing your mind
The only thing lost is your mind
No he didnt loose anything. The guy talks sense. Dont tell me u also believe this nonsense by kallie
Do they know how we feel after watching Sarafina? Yet we haven't killed them.
They have no idea
😢
There's this song which was sung by EFFSC that says "aso thenga mayeza s'bulal' izinja" referring to SASCO. Why didn't it make such an uproar?
This people are jelous of eff
Coz they ain't white
long live the EFF.... viva EFF viva let the EFF spread throughout Africa
South Africa NEEDS A PRESIDENT WHO CAN HOLD ALL THE PEOPLE OF SOUTH AFRICA TOGETHER
South Africa belongs to all who luve in it
Liberated lady from racism is speaking. ❤️❤️❤️
The song brings up their struggle. I've noticed that outsiders, particularly White people, want us to forget our history.
Do you know South African History
Your Panel was one sided
@@billyb7469 Do u? Are you accusing the Black South Africans of lying about their history?
@@billyb7469 you are so arrogant
@@billyb7469 no, its just called defeat.
As always a very intelligent and composed Blain Herman, who carried his questiioning diligently and contained the show. This platform creates a great awareness, of culture towards betterment of humanity.
Justice for Pierre and Belinda. Brutally murdered on their farm, nothing taken, no arrests.
Justice for Hector Pieterson and the rest of the black youth killed in the 1970s .
Afriforum is very vocal in the lyrics of a song but can't be vocal on the injustices that befell black people in the hands of their ancestors. If we are removing this song as a struggle song than it means we remove every struggle song that has been part of the black person's history. It is no secret that we still live as oppressed people and the only thing that can correct this is if all the injustices of the past are fixed.
Oh please...whyte ppl did more for your ancestors than you will ever be able to do. Look at SA now. You are just useless and full of hate.
You’ve got to love Sinawo. Brilliant he was.
He's got me in stitches. He totally ripping this old white man apart. Its sad to watch.😂
@@marabunya A lot of hate in your heart
@@MsLUFC So its hate when white CEOs shown they can't reason? And its exposition of corruption and inferiority when black CEOs are shown to fail to reason. Haha. Different rules for different races huh.
If a black farmer is also called a farmer or boer that means blacks also must be offended by the song
White South African's are so lucky to have had Mandela. I don't like to say this because it feels wrong but when I see how White South African's behave, the arrogance, racism and entitlement, it pains me to say but Mandela sold us out. If only Malema was there in 1994 and Chris Hani had not been murdered, we would have dealt with them properly, once and for all! Viva EFF viva, iAfrica mayibuye! Amanhla...
Who is the "us" that Mandela sold out? Were you around when Nelson Mandela was trying to create his rainbow nation?
Dude your hero would have turned you into Zimbabwe
But what even made you debate a EFF spokes person? you wont even win a debate with their student command,those guys are brilliant
White arrogance. Kriel had no notion of the brilliance of the person he was going to debate because he thinks his white skin automatically renders views factual, morally correct & more compelling. This is despite all research, crime statistics and judicial findings. Their delusion of supremacy is their number one enemy.
Very intelligent
They thought it was only Malema who is intellectual but turns out the whole EFF party.🤣🤣✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾
@@wahwah7701thats the only difference between EFF and ANC. ANC don't have educated people. They not in universities.
How old is the song and how many murders has the song incite ? Afriforum wants to contain the current status quo. There's no future in the South Africa if the social inequalities are not discussed honestly...
You might not like the answers if we start asking the question of why there is so much inequality.
@EuroAfrican I would love to hear your honest response on social inequalities, and please don't base it on corruption because that's not the major factor we all know it, but the very system that created the song that you all are about.......
@@paulnbarros1400 it boils down to dysgenic breeding and a *massive* gap in IQ between blacks and non-blacks.
Why was Kallie not pressed on why are they defending the apartheid flag?
Did you select this pannel mainly from EFF supporters? The best speaker was Sheldon from Stellenbosch University and the young people phoning in. The main EFF speaker could only justify his narrative by being derogatory and bringing up brandy and bushveld visits.
The Boer has had to move on many times from oppression themselves. Time to move on, everybody has had their struggles. Look at this country's history.
We are now 30 years into a democracy! This song is just plain wrong and just as hurtful to whites as the old flag and that ugly word is to black people.
Great presenter from the SABC 👏
Ayandambatha its look like a sciencefiction the publiek which dont have respect to each others they interested in Destroying they Country its mess up soon óf later they will have biggest problem With Financieel
True, seconded 👏👏👏👏
@@user-rt5os7uu3s Thank you for your reaction at least you one understanding top 👍❤
That presenter looks like a snake ,I Might be wrong
This White guy is frighten the blacks will take revenge,he wasn't frighten when they were killing black people
ehh this EFF Spokesperson spits fire🔥🔥🔥this level of intellect is unmatched!
HIS SO F&%#KEN ON POINT AND I LIKE HIS POSTURE IS SO CALM WHILE HIS SPITTING FIRE 🤣🤣🤣
I am not a fan of the EFF but when Malema sings "Kill The Boer" I sing along.
They will come for you
U got to be a fan man.
I think we need to be educated thoroughly about our history. We are forgetting where we're coming from. We cannot speak of unity without correcting the mistakes we made in our past. This songs it's a reminder of where we are coming from. We cannot be expected to act as if the past did not happen. We will always refer to it, in order to build a peaceful Africa.
YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY CORRECT "KILL THE BOER" SONG IS A HISTORY
SO WE WILL KEEP OUR AFRICAN HISTORY. WE SHOULD NOT BE STOPPED. OUR HISTORY IS HISTORY AND SHOULD STAY.
COME ON NO ONE KILLED FOR SINGING A HISTORY STRUGGLE SONG
WHAT ARE YOU SCARED OF MR WHITE? IS IT YOUR PAST WRONG DOING? SCARED YOU OR
What I like about EFF is that you have to be capable to be in position
Sinawo should be the minister of defence when EFF win in 2024
@modiehimokoena7187 any proof of sinawo doing violent act
@@modiehimokoena7187How did you get the conclusion of violence! Being vocal is not violence, remember freedom of speech is our human right?
A capable red cockroach
@@modiehimokoena7187khuluma ikaka
I am a Gospel artist from KENYA, and I know one thing for sure... A killer is a killer with or without a song... Some can kill even listening to a piece of gospel music. Struggle songs exist because we have struggled... Oppressors also have their kind of songs or chants which relate to their struggles, and we are not always yelling against them, some are morally incorrect but we have let you guys be.
VIVA EFF.
Please read Micah 2:1-3, Therefore, the Lord says : What sorrow awaits you who lie awake at night, thinking up evil plans. You rise at dawn and hurry to carry them out simply because you have the power to do so. 3) But this is what the Lord says I will reward your evil with evil ; you won't be able to pull your neck out of the noose. You will no longer walk around proudly, for it will be a terrible time. Beware of God's wrath, coming sooner than later. 🙏 🙏 🙌 🙌
@@wilmaconradie8382 this is a great verse, though am not sure of how it relates with the subject here... The song is not a plot to harm anyone, if we could separate our fears from the chant(not unless we are the oppressors), we would find that its just but a freedom chant... regardless of race.
This is not a struggle song, it is a song about killing, being sung in 2023. You are a disgrace of a Kenyan
Very wise,thank you!!!
"struggle song" 😂 But if anyone else said "kill the *insert literally any non-white race*" it would be a problem... Okay.
Mandela did not promote ' hate speech'.
It amazes me how the Dutch will leave their homeland and claimed they found a new homeland far away in Africa
Well the areas the Boers settled in the 1830s were pretty much empty. To be fair
It's interesting to see how the EFF spokesperson handles interview questions.
"What is so special about the white" I love this from the EFF spokesperson, he's fearless, a true son of Africa.
Indeed. Let Blacks be ruled by Blacks. No White workers to sustain them. It has worked everywhere else. Africa is great without White people sustaining it.
Nothing is special about a white person, just as nothing is special about black people, just as nothing is special about coloreds, asians, indians and any other race. I am not above you, and you are not above me. The problem is that an entire race group is being hated for long past history. Just as the Zulu's killed, how many whites in the Slag van Bloedrivier. Even if land is given back it would still not fix anything of the past. Unfortunately the government is keep the poor poor and stealing from the poor, regardless of race. We are all South Africans. We all suffer, we all have a past. The Government IS KEEPING US DIVIDED. This country will never see the light of day if we carry on like this, it will never get better, its going downhill faster then you realize and nothing you currently do is helping to improve your country
The study's made on I q , s of different cultures shows that blacks have the lowest , you figure .
We should not sleep on these EFF young lads, they are very intelligent. Future is bright indeed.
These young EFF guys. La ntlatsa mauthi.👊👊👊
CEO was chowed for lunch 😂😂
Let's also talk about the ridiculous systemic poverty our people have been subjected to. We cannot make such a big deal about a chant and not talk about economic depravity experienced by black SAs. This is the time to talk about everything. Let's put everything on the table, including land issues.
Whose fault is this systemic poverty? It is the ANC’s fault. But the people in poverty keep on voting ANC.
The issue of economic apartheid really needs such attention!
@@fillipfrance7403 Apartheid is the cause of poverty and not our fellow black people in government. They stealing from the government because they do not own the means of production, if they did they wouldn’t harmer the government!
SA has gotten worse rather than better, whose fault is that. we would need a new struggle song against our corrupt leaders.
@@fillipfrance7403I am here for people like this.😊
Please have the same passion to fight the murders happening in twonships every day if indeed you are for equality and unity Afriforum
But they do. It is just not widely publised simply because it does not suit the ANC to do so. Don't be dribbled by politicians and unless you take the time to do the actual research you won't know better.
They do, the media just don't show it.
@@JSepa where? 10 marks
senzo
@@maryduplessis2510 Please.
One MIND ONE BODY ONE VOICE ONE AFRICA. EDUCATION EDUCATION EDUCATION
you're right. especially history, laws and self-worth
Too bad the schools are being burnt down.
Not at fought, are you at fought, do people really think at all? For every cause there is a reaction
What is your cause? That caused you to be motivated and concerned. Can you live with the fact that you hate with no cause except GREED and classify for privilege? Have you found yourself in these words? Makes me no difference how you answer. Education you say, seems that these Africans are better educated than those who pursue them, and they seem to understand that they have given enough without a song, maybe a song is what's needed. As with every song timing is key it makes the dance. But it's just a song. Just a suggestion educate yourselves then pick a side, and remember that the truth hurts.❤
What would the understanding be if the words where changed to kill unemployed blacks or something. Similar .. ????
Meneer got schooled. As for Brandy and coke 😂😂
That white lady summed it up perfectly 👏👏
Old white liberals don't speak for me. My people built a country. The ANC tore it down to dust.
But while she was talking they played the eff video .. why????😮
If you want peace and a future you dont sing kill. Period there is zero justification for that. And what makes matters worst is Julius made his hand like a gun and sang " prrrr pa pa " come on guys really lets not be ignorant.
Ah so Affriform was offended by the EFf and possibly still not very happy about a previous court ruling nothing to do with farm killings.
Taken a decision to finally vote for EFF next year! ANC is no longer the hope for the marginalized!
You not allow. I too am voting for eff.. Encouraging my family and community to vote for them too... We need change and a party that will not be scared to face white supremacy.. I have confidence in them and they look organized
2024 my vote is EFF❤❤❤
vote for eating sand and going back to the stone age
@@iehb505Look who's talking a cave dwelling organism 😂😂😂
@@iehb505before any white person showed up we were alive and eating. So I rather eat grass than have a white person tell me anything
Sinawo Tambo is my man😂😂😂
" AfriForum, AWB, BOEREMAG SAMETHING"
EFF number 1 threat 😂 Happy bday EFF ❤️
Never thought that Sinawo Thambo can be this brutal😯😮😭
very dangerous if u come unprepared.😁
U clear don't watch a lot of eff press briefings...The guy doesn't laugh nor smile.Kinda like Mugabe style.😅
Shocking how everyone refers to how high the murder rate is yet we defend a song insted of gondeming murder.
Remember Rwanda what happened there because of songs and name calling
Not singing struggle songs its like saying school must stop teaching History
Big difference between struggling and entitlement
Forget struggle songs ...educate the ignorant masses. The last 30 years the whole country has been struggling. ALL CULTURES/TRIBES.
@zoltanmeszaros7222 that struggle didn't start 30 years ago. It started in the 1600s when the ill hearted ones got off their ships and forcefully took what was not theirs. Later, they used regulations to keep natives from taking back what was taken from them.
They have already started advocating for it because they want to push the agenda and the misrepresentation of our history, they will tell us to forget about history while they never forget about the importance of keeping the ill gains of Apartheid. Disgusting behavior
True.
Why is it that the oppressor want the oppressed to forget his history, his struggle for freedom? What has happened?
They think they did nothing wrong...thats why.
@@truth-Hurts375well said.
I think Mandela protected them for too long and they thought we have forgotten
@@happysquirrelwhats-tube8768 Absolutely and we are not Mandela.
“This is not your farm.” 😂😂😂😂
😂😂😂😂
Farmers they produce producten which we all need What is this naïeveling to say farm is not mine you also buying fresh vegetables from farmers 😏☹️
Angxola With your ideas in the future you maybe search for food producten in your streets with starvetion and Povert
@@lebraa9233 If they are so great then why don't they go to Netherlands and feed other Netherlands and leave us here to feed other Africans? What are they doing here?
@@wahwah7701 Wahwah EU 'S they have been feeding alot of lives in that SA i have not idea what you are talking about whose feeding Who ? You can say what ever you like
Look, if even one boer was murdered in a horrible way on his farm every 20 years, just one,it is still not nice to sing publicly "Kill the Boer, Kill the farmer". Have you read how horrible those murders are? Imagine that was one of your family members or friends, how traumatized you would be. Then you hear people singing that song?
I vote for EFF
Big ups to the host for an unbiased line of questioning and the heart felt conclusion 🙏🙏
Very with wise nose EFF very rude as Malema bah maffia's to destroyed whole SA ☹️🤑
@@lebraa9233 Quit weed🚬
@@mukondimatumba1803😂😂😂😂
Matured
@@user-tb8fr4wl6d Matured a bunch of Hooligans running the Country with Violences ☹️😭
The EFF king is so strong, my boy
The presenter🙌.. Many can learn frm him🙌
I like the eloquency of the EFF spoke person,the guy has facts and not worthy forgetting 🔥bravo
The arrogance and hatred towards white people must be stopped. Most people want PEACE but this useless 10% party wants blood! It wants 'revenge'...it wants to stoke the fires of hatred! It's time for these EFF bullies to be put into place....the law must take its course...imagine if whites sang Kill the Blacks? Or if Whites sang Kill the EFF! There would be absolute outrage!!!!!! In God's eyes we are all equal! SA needs Jesus!! So proud of Afriforum! Fighting for JUSTICE! For every peace-loving South African- black and white and Indian and Coloured!
You nuts. He' talking nonsense and then about brandy and coke. Seriously , he's a stupid. Who mumbles and grumbles like a stoopid on television. That's embarrassing. 😒
Hard to understand how you call mean-spirited accusations, logical fallacies and belittling comments "facts".
@@thepeacefulrevolution146 Little things amaze little minds.
User- tm1gm4d Eloquent EFF is a biggest Bunch hooligans destroying the Country as you like the 🔥this what s going to effect themselvers Price increasing in yours supermarkets take a look your Valuta you are going to come Crisis
They are saying that the country must move forward from the past and people must get together but they do not want to share the land.
They're even building a white only town called ORANIA ...but Thina we must think about moving forward together?? How do....these people make me sick man
@@velaphithewarrior6498Orania was already taken once. Bought again
@@jackdaw6359 What are you on about?
@@RSVPrr just stating that their land was repossessed already. They bought it back from claimants of that land who happily accepted the cash.
Country must move forward is a code word for get over it
One thing got me shivering. The word "Boer " means farmer. It doesn't mean "white farmer". But the fact that in South Africa it means white farmer tells all you need to know about the racial inequalities in the country!
But who is trying to bring people together? Have the boars giving back the lands that they stole or you are still retaining it and explaning.
😂😂😂😂 fundraise money to go shot the trees and papers lol 😂😂😂
Brandy and coke😂👌🏿😆
Sinawo is just on another level
The psychologist is clearly a Eff member.
😅
if we could get rid of all politicians the rest of us would get on just fine. politicians need us to take sides, they need to pray on our differences, because if we had no differences, there would be no need for them (there really isn't a need for them). highlighting and exaggerating those differences brings on a heightened sense of tribalism, for the sole purpose of getting us to choose sides. no politician is going to do anything to help you unless it helps them first, doesn't matter if that is the DA, EFF, ANC, FF it makes no difference. they are a self serving, corrupt, and immoral breed. forget about them.