Has South Africa succeeded in uniting the nation across racial lines?
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- South Africa’s Economic Freedom Fighters’ leader Julius Malema and his supporters are engulfed in a controversy with a particular song, ‘Kill the Boer’ or ‘Kill the Farmer’. This has led to renewed debate in South Africa whether the song falls in hate speech or remains an anthem of resistance against apartheid.
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how do you forgive a person who never apologised? NOTHINGS!
26 December
Who must apologise for what?
Train tracks
@@mazambane286whites in South Africa for the injustice and all the evil they have committed and those who benefited from that system.
You don’t understand the meaning of forgiveness. It’s not a deal done. It’s to release the bond that those who you need to forgive, from the continued poisoning of your mind. It’s a gift you give to yourself.
Meanwhile..........SA is struggling to keep the lights on.
A man must be willing to die for justice. Death is an inescapable reality and men die daily, but good deeds live forever. Africa🙌🏾
Good lucky convincing an african that wants to go live in Sandton and snuggle up to a ❄🐰 of that fact. Africans don't want to be free in all honesty. It just sounds nice saying it out loud and protesting all the time for minimum wage.
🙏🙏🙏 you have spoken the truth
I don't see anything but black people in the stadium.
That will happen to them.
Uniting the nation across racial lines has been tried on equal footing,, the very "rainbow nation" notion is more about a particular race bending backwards to accommodate the rest to its own detriment, and often those who feel the pinch of racial imbalance are often told to "forget the past".
Bro you have like a 100 race based laws in your favor today. What more do you want? I have trained 4 black supervisors where I work and help then every day but I can't be a supervisor. It's happens everywhere. What more do you want
What more do they want? We want them out!!!!!!!
@@redstar6029 but the people that originated here wants YOU out
That’s a fact
Jeeeez man, cant she have a decent discussion? The logic is solid but the behaviour makes it difficult to tolerate
You just wasting your time and energy we will never stop singing the song if you not happy about it just keave south africa go to another country
Kiss the boer the farmer
So apparently Afriforum and DA don’t want to agree with the Supreme Court of SA decision? Because the ruling is not in their favor🤔
No actually that’s not the case 😂😂
Yes😂
@@JVan-ic6ic Ofcourse that's not the case. It's a matter of race. Let Africans vote for African parties and let the Caucasians vote for Caucasians parties such as DA and what not
@sibongilegee691 you won't be laughing when we come after you devils.
@@MrEvansjethro what are you going on about? People can vote for who they feel will benefit South African the most (literally the very reason we have a democracy). Don’t come with this racist and divisive rhetoric.
I am a black person living in SA and I will tell you this for free. We live in different times. Times where language and words send shockwaves. Times where people are "radical" as this EFFady puts it which means they'll go to any extreme to get what they want even if it's the wrong way. Times where lawlessness and criminality have become a norm not just in SA but Africa as a whole. If you deem it necessary to sing a song, then be ready to accept that not everyone shares the same sentiment as you. A simple example is *"RAP MUSIC"* which has all sorts of obscenity and glorifies criminality. Does it get banned; NO but is it good for the masses to consume, definitely not. Because we all know what the drawback to such is. Yes, Blacks and South Africans undergo racism every day, fighting back, in my opinion, needs to be smart and strategic. Not by chanting songs that insight violence and you seat and try to pull the racist card when asked a question.
Another thing I find many blacks doing is always complaining rather than taking action. Afriforum is protecting their own, what's stopping you Black Child from organizing yourselves and protecting your own?
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Very true! It is not about the song, it is the intent in which the song is used by Malema, to taunt and to show arrogance that no one will tell him what he is allowed to do. There is no use for this song in this day and age because the struggle is against the ANC. Pit toilets are an ANC problem, not a white problem. Crime is an ANC problem, not a white problem. EFF is always there to just open op wounds that are trying to heal, as soon as it scabs over EFF NEEDS to open it because they can't have all of us standing together because they know very well we are much much stronger together
You are a white apologist Sir…what we call a clever black…you are obviously a DA supporter…
That sums it all up Sir. Well done.
Who complaining about a song? Your hypocrisy is comedic
Glad there was a black person there to represent the majority of South Africa
Wherecis the black person
Doubt that any of these people speak for people in South Africa. We are all individuals and have our own thoughts.
Not likely. She sounds like a terrorist.
She's coloured not Black right?
@@scythermantis yes she is coloured
We r focusing on uniting Africa and Africans
Europeans in Africa that lived there for centuries are not Africans?
First of all these white people they were Europeans for decades, they had boards all over the country written "Europeans only whites only" until 1994 when they decided to be south africans. We chanted this chant for a long time even when we really wanted to kill them and we were well armed, we didn't because our leaders said no. Even when they killed our people and our leaders. When they killed Chris Hani we sang but we didn't kill them because we were not and are not commanded by a chant. These people are scared, they were scared by the numbers they saw
True, but you forget something, most whites are peaceful and wasn't part of the elite globalist government who was evil like they are to this day....
Unforgiven heart create hatred and racism, only love bring peace and prosperity 🤷🏻♂️...
Facts bro
@@wn9521 you want to hear a fact bro. As a child of God I have the right as a free child to live where I want and He decides where I live and give me the grace to do so. I refuse to be dictated to by those who hate me because I'm white
@@erniegouws7262 You chose to miss the facts stated and just decided to bring god in this. Shame.
@@princesebapu872 This dudes a 🤡 ignore him.
Happy to hear we do have sober minded white South African
You are so gullible🤣
😂😂😂😂
@@leshopegerald5300 NO, you are gullible and poor.
Yes not all of them are going to hell, maybe 10% of the whole race. That's how much evil has consumed them.
@@wahwah7701 No one has done more for other races than whites. It's time we end the free handouts.
There are 3 main problems in SA.
1. Inequality
2. Inequality
3. Inequality
Solve this, and you'll solve SA's problems.
You cannot legislate equality of outcome, only equality of opportunity. You communists need to understand that.
There are 3 main problems in SA
1. Very poor to zero parenting
2. Burning schools
3. Early teen pregnancies
The blacks don't have any direction
There are a bunch of main problems in South Africa, here's a few to list them. (Not really in order but numbered anyway)
1. Education (this is the fault of every ruling party, Apartheid (obviously) and the ANC, because an uneducated nation is easier to manipulate/control.)
2. Corruption, I don't think I need to explain why that is bad (literally the reason why South Africa is in the state it is right now) (this goes for all ruling parties South Africa has had, and all major political parties)
3. Racial tension, which the politicians are fueling for their own agendas. (If you think any major politician cares about you, think again.)
4. Poverty, especially extreme poverty, the inequality wouldn't matter so much if people could afford food, and good living conditions.
5. South Africa suffers from a victim mentality, and this goes for every group, it doesn't matter. White people see themselves as the victims because of this, black people see themselves as victims because of that, it may not be all true or all false, but when everyone sees themselves as the victims they don't tend to see others as victims (everyone in South Africa is victims in some way or another.) (political parties feed in this as well, especially the ANC and the EFF)
4 problems..
1.inequality
2. Inequality
3. I equality
4. Afriforum
Amen! And we only solve this buy voting for a capable state.
This song is waking up the African people who was scattered across the 4 corners of the earth. Our God is calling his people back home and there is nothing y’all can do that can stop the movement towards a United Africa ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾 African Americans stand with you ✊🏾✊🏾✊🏾❤️ Stay the course
Good you said, YOUR god, because he is surely not the god of the Universe who hates violence, robbery, bloodshed , destruction, greed, burning of infrastructures and oppressing of the poor as Malemma is doing. Oh please people wake up and go do your research about Malemma as a self appointed African Messiah who use ignorant uneducated people to drive his own agenda. Go check his wealth and education history and you will see this man is a senseless, uneducated communist with only one goal to oppress and enslave the African people again. I'm a Qualified white who were born in Brittain and who have a African sister born in Brittain too. So who are you going to kill?? You fools!! You are too blind to see how you are under Chinese control who did nothing to teach your people. Don't you understand that all your education and Charity came from Brittain, Netherland and America? Do you see your Characters. You kill the hands that fed you. But you won't succeed as my God Almighty is grater than your gods and firegather spirits. Soli Deo Gloria.
PERIOD. They need to go BACK TO EUROPE AND STAY THERE
Absolutely
What the😂😂
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The land Question is the elephant 🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘🐘 in the room this is not a call to kill but the start of the main conversation over the land... There is no policy against killing any one ... But as usual the guilty are always afraid😢
No one is entitled to free land . Your mouth flaps like there's something intelligible coming out ...but you sound like every other idiot who thinks he knows Africa because he's black . Who's land was taken ? Do you even know ? Too many like you . Commies . !!
There is no discussion. It took place for 19 years with the DP and ANc Pre 94... Ngunis and Africa is not going to settle here you hated and never welcome tsek jou naai
Can you imagine whites singing ""kill the black man"" ....
If only the world could turn back to common sense and leave their racism and hatred with satan 😢
The Koi San are the only true inhabitants of South Africa. All the blacks drifted down from the North.
The whites are not guilty because the land originally does not belong to the blacks, only the San. So, you must be guilty
@@not.likelywhile that is true, everyone (except the KhoiSan) is guilty, and we must accept that, don't blame shift.
The EFF lady’s internet connection failure might actually have been a way by the broadcasters to censor her. Just saying respectfully!
Manners! Mute the b@#$h speak when spoken to!!
She is a angry child, no rational adult conducts themself like that.
@@kung_fu_licious7051 Yes, she might have been too emotional. But she expressed her feelings anyway. Black people have been hiding their pain for too long. It’s time to let it all out. Thank you!
@@rokkofages she is child of the lie, a child of the Devil. A hateful heart is not at peace, she does her father below's bidding.
Vele why it's only her internet that is buffing?
Why is it always up to Black ppl, and I’m AmBlk, to form and lead rainbow coalitions. We are always at the forefront of these efforts. And I am not saying we don’t have coalitions across racial lines. But it is interesting when a Trump or politicians like LePen speak about their issues from their perspective there’s room for understanding.
What are you going off about?
@@JVan-ic6ic nothing 🙄
Please explain
@@not.likely All I’m saying is when certain politicians, be it in Europe or the USA, speak on immigration and/or a desire for their country and culture to reflect certain traditions etc they are never asked or expected to form Rainbow Coalitions. Even if ppl disagree with their politics and label them xenophobic they are influential leaders within their political party. I just find that interesting.
@@KSS5they know the weak psychology of black people worldwide. All these coalition talk and yet everyone hates black people for some reason.
Without the land there is no peace in South Africa
Devide the land between cultural groups otherwise you won't see peace in this country.
Luckily Jesus has the final say 🙏✝️
Can I just stress that those people will never own the land the eff will. No the people ie the land won’t be of any use to you.
The same Jesus who told you to kill our forefathers, the same Jesus who told your Christians King Leopold to commit genocides and kill 15 million Congolese and cut children’s limbs. Your are an evil group of people that I really do not understand how we keep leaving with you in our land,
@@erniegouws7262
What do you suppose will be his say? 🤔🤔
As long as someone feels entitled to someone else's thing this will never end its a sleep with one eye open situation. Which is truly sad.
You mean like land? Like be happy to that we are burgers in the land of our fathers??
Blame self-hating white leftists. They won't stop encouraging the parasites.
At the end it is stolen land
@@clementmaduna2478Bantus do not originate here. You must leave other people's stuff alone. Buy your own
@@ncebakazimasekwana2244 If you run by that logic then most of the worlds land is stolen, and not because of the colonialist. It was was common practice long before the colonialist to conquer land.
Where is Mbuyiseni? This woman is too emotional. We need calm people to represent us
She right 👉
She is super right.
Mbuyeseni Ndlozi at top position at Eff
indeed
Have the DA, FF and afriforum ever pronounced in their manifestos that they would correct the wrongs that were caused by the apartheid system? Do they ever realize the wrongs in the 1st place?
@@jehbuhdieyaspringfield7290You're not making sense by comparing a natural/primal food chain to crafted systematic oppression.
@@Dude-1689 Ow he is making sense and we get him. You cannot teach an old dog new tricks. Once an imperialist always an imperialist
The ANC had 30 years to fix it, time is done now. ANC DIES OR WE ALL DIE
@@StoepZulu We will vote for EFF. To hell with ANC and DA
That has been over for 30 years. Blame your goverment for screwing the country up, causing you to be jobless.
You people are jealous of the success of the EFF especially that it is not funded by you people so you can't control the direction it takes like the ANC you are very scared. You can't tell me that on his whole speech you chose to give attention to a song he sang at the end for less than two minutes. Your hypocrisy is disgusting.
It is a proven fact that the EFF funding comes from the UK
They are a bunch of insecure weaklings
Maybe there should have been an outright revolution in SA. To have change the the dynamics.
That will never happen
There almost was...
Till Hani was killed
Yes just have civil war and split the country into separate states.
What do you know about civil war to make a statement like that?
@@not.likely Me? I know enough. How about you?
EFF etiquette course required , please
"The debate surrounding the song 'Kill the Boer' encapsulates the intricate balance between freedom of expression and the prevention of hate speech. While acknowledging its historical roots as a resistance anthem during the anti-apartheid struggle, we must also confront the fact that its lyrics can be interpreted as promoting violence against a specific group. South Africa's journey towards reconciliation and unity requires thoughtful consideration of how symbols and expressions from the past impact the present.
Promoting dialogue and understanding is crucial. This discussion should involve perspectives from diverse communities and backgrounds, along with a recognition of the need to address ongoing issues such as land reform and economic disparities. Ultimately, finding a way to acknowledge history while fostering a sense of shared humanity is the path towards a more inclusive and equitable society."
One thing to sing "Fxxx the Police" in a hip hop concert and totally another thing to use this as a political rally. South Africa is going down the rabbit hole real fast.
@edmundleung2098 if you are white, and live in SA , you need to get your satanic self out the country
@@edmundleung2098 Why? Just because whites are now being address in a negative way. Are your feelings hurt? I bet you didn't care when whites where stealing, murdering and abusing South African people only 29 years ago when apartheid ended and very often until this day. Can you imagine the western world that acts like the gate keepers of morality and humanity only ended Apartheid 29 years ago. You know what that says about your race, that you are a bunch of hypocritical racist scumbags that deserve nothing but an eye for an eye. Don't act like victims when you have not apologized or compensated South Africans yet. You are sitting on stolen land - This is not America where you can get away with it, this is Africa and you will pay for it eventually. Better start packing your bags and going back to where you came from Boer. Oprotten.
Where has your f”ostering of shared humanity” been, is that how the minority gained possession of the majority of land in SA? Your hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance is typical.
As pretty as that all sounds, it simply demonstrates the mindset of he whom has not felt the trauma of the South African people. Those ‘resistance anthems’ known to mankind as ‘struggle songs’ 😂 (which was even too hard for you to say) cannot simply be depicted nor defined by those who have no connection to it! And as so many from all sides of this travesty have stated, South Africans were peaceful resilient people who mostly refrained from using violence even at the hands of their oppressors. Also, Julius made a significant point in court with regard to the use of the word ‘reconciliation’… How can you reconcile with those who you were never as 1 with?’
I haven’t heard ONE of the inherent settlers say that they agree with the proposals of the EFF, who is willing to even say ‘here have half of this land I have appropriated and let’s come to an shared agreement… but on these podcasts their saying ‘we give crumbs to the minority’ ‘we want to help’ 🤔🤔🤔 it’s absolutely mind- blowing 🤯
You can say u gave me freedom and hold on to what i need to make a living.. the land is the access to south Africa success.
1950 must be reversed
And you can say that you need land for wealth creation, then squat on it and drink beer the whole day
@@Dubandlela1 it must definitely be reversed everyone wants to" to black" until it is time to be black
Majority of the land is held by government. Just go ask at Lithuli house
@@IamTheAlpaka Government is nothing but a cooperation who truly has no right to hold on to land they are just trustees who are keeping it until the true owner claim it
What scares them is the unity more than anything else...they knw what organisation does so it scares the hell out of them they think we are going to do to them what they did to us and we are not like them...
Well said!!
Can't we "do them" a little bit?🤣🤣🤣🤣
🤣🤣🤣🤣@@rsamega2888
What has organization done for you so far?😂😂😂😂nothing
@@saamstaan6540 it s because the sovereign have not woken up yet and that is why it amuses you because you know that they are not who they think they are
The Land Question, including Banks, Energy and Mines⁉️ 🌍💪🏼💪🏿💪🏾🇿🇦🫡
Not to mention the bank that Julius stole all that money from. VBS? All those people lost their savings...
You are not correct, mam, don't let others lie to you. Re-do your homework.
Take everything the whites created and built. How clever.
Can we also talk about the land issue?
What land .. go buy yourself some land.. no free handouts
Yes let's talk about the land! The Khoi and San want it back!
You see it's NOT your land. You did not bring any land with you to South Africa from your homeland in Nigeria
@@mazambane286 Go and say that to the court of law so they can laugh at you and think you are crazy.
@@Colin8979 We will take the land just like in Zimbabwe and see if you will talk after that.
I'm proud of Lian
A political leader should hear all sides of people in the country and listen actively otherwise tensions will rise. The people in power should listen to others out side their own party as being one sided does not address the underlying issues and miscommunication can grow. Marginalization and division between different racial or ethnic communities are harmful to society and can have wide-ranging negative effects. An ego driven politician will let their own people down at the end of the day.
Also SA faces various internal problems and it seems like people are looking for a scape goat instead of addressing the internal problems which if handled would make SA stronger and cause less tension and unrest.
Also what about all the discriminatory regulations and laws etc against whites in this country. They way eff and anc carry on is as if the country is still under apartheid, all those involved in that evil are long dead and bloody buried. And no I dont believe in the sins of the father should be carried by the future generations!
That sista' is spitting the truth. Just like in America, black folks are tired of marching and singing old Negro spirituals, action needs to be met with action. I'm feeling her BIG time.
Oh yes just like here in these UnUnited States!
The issue with White Supremacist is they never like to feel uncomfortable about their past. Never rattle their privilege to abuse, exploit, kill, commit genocide, redlining, police brutality, land grab, jeermanding ..... Devils!
Like all Marxist ideology its doomed to failure. South Africa is worse now than ever through systematic corruption. The best and most competitive don't get the business. It's those that pay the biggest bribes You are not going to do anything in United States of America, your pawns to the democrat party. The whole world see's it. Get the fathers out of the home. Have a culture that disrespects women and complains about everything. Always complaining, always moaning like women on periods. So everyone else switches off, board apart from politician who can channel the energy at elections and then completely ignore it after there elected. The only action you need to take is to be virtuous and stay at home and look after your families. Anything else and your running further into the rabbit hole and into the gates of hell. Good luck your going to need it!!!!!
Just remember the boers also have song's to sing..... it's not only malema who can sing song's.
Yes, as a Boer I sing """ SAVE THIS LOST WORLD JESUS, satan has their souls""
I wish you would!!! That would save me a decent amount of contriving.☺
Then sing your songs.
@@erniegouws7262 Delary delarey nou gaan die darkies die boere kom ry delarey.... something like that neh
@@shaun-andrewnero7111 I'll sing the song """JESUS IS THE SAVIOR AND VICTORY"""
Can’t blame em. Although, until they forgive they will never know peace.
The song means what u hear and julius knows that
@@TlouMaponya16 this year little hitler
Good ,,
What a nice song✊Remind me of Peter Mokaba
😂Where is Mokaba today?
@@nedor64 who was Peter Mokaba? Never heard of him
@@not.likelythe writer of the song "kill the boer" he is no more AIDS killed him frrrrrr pa! 😅
Racist Afrikaaners🤣hear you will sing the song together with us
@@nedor64 prrrrr, his last fart and then died
In my city we do things together with white people, we drink together, we eat together on the same table and what's wrong with politicians fighting over struggle song and why don't you focus on serious matter instead things like creating jobs
You lying, Illegal Zimbabwe killed and chased off whites and stole Rhodesia
Cause their hearts are full of hatred and racism, the devil wants to destroy South Africa 😢
@abiamochoaliba5229, "The BIBLE" Greatest Book Ever Written.
Last Days Prophecy!
Babylon The Great (America) has Fallen.
SIRACH 12:10 Never trust thine enemy: for like as iron rusteth, so
is his wickedness.
All Praises To The Most High and his Son, The Black Messiah.
abiamochoaliba5229, The BIBLE called white people wicked and your enemy. ELOHIM Righteous Judgment Is Upon America and France The Wicked!!!
@@erniegouws7262 "The BIBLE" Greatest Book Ever Written.
Last Days Prophecy!
Babylon The Great (America) has Fallen.
MALACHI 1:4 Edom, the border of wickedness, and, the people against whom the Most High hath indignation for ever.
All Praises To The Most High and his Son, The Black Messiah.
@erniegouws7262, You are the devil. ELOHIM Righteous Judgment Is Upon America and France The Wicked!!!
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 you're funny
Can we please have an Amapiano version ASAP!
gimme DJ Maphorisa's email and banking details 😂
Until the land is back in the hands of it's owners, this song is going no where....
where is the land you are talking about?
@@nedor64The one your Ancestors stole😂😂😂, don't we're going to show it to you very soon 😅
@@Kush-Kemetwhen is "very soon" you are saying very soon since many years ago?
Can't agree with you more, JESUS OWN THIS LAND, AND HE'LL DECIDE WHO IS HIS CHILDREN 👍
@@nedor64 Next year we are taking our land when EFF rules our country, better start packing
Unite without revenge 😬
We never stop this struggle song it's part of who we are!!!!
You will stop it. Wait and see
"The Song does not constitute hate speech," said the Court.
We will never stop; it is indeed a part of who we are.
@@not.likely Never,ever.
@@thembinkosi7935 it is all who you are
@@jo-d-lo38 never is a long time, you'll see
That EFF lady is really boiling from inside 😅😅viva Malema u have really rise a bounce of fearless leaders 😅😅
Hope ur future Government gonna be strong 💪 enough to face the west 😅😅
She acted like an absolute clown? So that the eff can own the land and the people will own nothing? I don’t really understand the point of this
The eff spokesperson is not representing the position well.
No it’s actually the perfect representation of the position
Yoh so cringe!!
@@JVan-ic6ic u dnt think Boers deserve to die. Whether conceptually or otherwise.
@@frankfakazatalk307 no one deserves death 😂 the only thing that deserves to go is racism. Posing the question your way is dangerous and don’t lead to anything beneficial. Remember “Boer” is a “race” as such rather that a political and social predisposition.
Sometimes you get emotional when a person fails to admit his/her wrongdoings because he keeps on repeating the same mistakes and that is very annoying
As an Englishman I'm trying to imagine the British Prime Minister taking center stage and singing "Kill the Blackman,kill the Blackman" then making gun sounds....."bang bang bang bang" while shaking his arse.
Can't see it somehow.
For a politician who wants to be on the world stage and taken SERIOUSLY.....Then for fks sake Julius tone it down and ACT LIKE THE POWERFUL PERSUASIVE POLITICIAN you are striving to be ?
Instead of a fking rap singer ??
I have black friends from Ghana who live in London (comfortably) and they were horrified by your actions.
We are tired of racists. We will sing this songs until we attain full economic freedom for black people. We need our forefathers land and thats where we begin.
Your forefathers must come and show us fisically and on paper the land they owned since 1600 then we can talk.
And yet you sing a racist song!!!!????
@@nedor64 Go and say that to the court of law so they can laugh at you and think you are crazy, you clown.
Your forefathers also came here, so don't let racism consume your heart, it leads to 😈🔥
@@erniegouws7262 "The BIBLE" Greatest Book Ever Written.
Last Days Prophecy!
Babylon The Great (America) has Fallen.
All Praises To The Most High and his Son, The Black Messiah.
ELOHIM Righteous Judgment Is Upon America and France The Wicked!!!
Those who are sensible should leave SouthAfrica NOW.
It is not going to be safe especially when the electricity shuts down totally.
There will be chaos when this happens.
What are you talking about now?
Go back home
Reconciliation means given the land back to the people that they stole it from
Give this EFF spokes woman an award. Amandla!
For stupidity and the obvious answer for ,-I don't like your line off question 'you racist,' very high intellect.
A hateful child
She has valid points yes but she is too emotional to hold debates
@@sweetnessmotaung8487 you can't be rational and form a concise argument if you are coming from a hateful place. You already at a disadvantage, it's the reason most of the EFF members cause disruptions in Parliament. When Madiba spoke people listened with pleasure and respect because he was a son of God with a loving and forgiving heart
@kung_fu_licious7051 we are where we are because of forgiveness that was never asked for. Now our history must be silenced. The oppressors are not remorseful of the atrocities they commited
16:30 there it is. The moment she lost this debate 😂
Yes. Completely
A debate? Africans can never debate with racists. You can go and jump in the nearest hell misunu
You can laugh now but you will cry later and that's next year 2024
@@wahwah7701 Loud barking is all I hear. EFF, literally has no success or positive outcome for their people to date.
@@vdw_12500 Keep fooling yourself boy. It's the blacks that decided who is president of South Africa since they are the majority of the population and the blacks want EFF. So good luck with that wishful thinking.
We are still in a struggle, I don't understand what you mean.
When the cards turned but it's not what they want to put it as this issue pack up
Fear of equality 😂😂
You will never have equality.😅
If you steal my car and the police catch you...what happens thereafter? The answer to that will lead you to the possible racial solution in South Africa. Talk and working things out and fake smiles and love doesn't cut it.
@@user-rb9pn2ew1z sorry but the land was NEVER stolen. It was won. Not our fault the people were primitive.😂😂
we will "win" it back thats what the kill the boer song is about. also dutch savages were not as civilised as you think
@@aviweyantolo5023 Bantu's are not indigenous to Southern Africa.
Until the FREEDOM CHARTER is IMPLEMENTED FULLY, the "LET-ALL-GET-ALONG" CAMPAIGN is same as the slave being content for getting freedom to fellowship with the master. Funny how the perceived threat of tables turning around evokes discernment of the dignity of human life. And i ask, where was this sensitivity all along?
AfriForum, FF, DA just want to maintain the status quo. None of them have discussed the burning issue, The Land Issue!
The stste owns most of the land. There is nothing to discuss
@@maryduplessis2510 Is that what your'll do? Lie for a living? How pathetic
Nobody mentions the atrocities the Black Man and or African have gone through . Either through the hands of colonizers or slave Masters. Last Time I checked S.A was in Africa and the fact that Africans are still don't have land in their MOTHERLAND is just exhausting to think about.
Sorry - singing "kill the Bore, Kill the Farmer....shoot to kill!" can only be understood in one way! Specially if you look into the Farmer Killing in South Africa now. That is not pure robbery if people get torched and burned alive, that has nothing do with poverty but pure racism!
These people call themselves Afrikaner, is that African in their European language. How are they possibly African if they are imposters. Afriforum is 100% Apartheid.
Bro....really?....you sound so Naìve. Black victim mentality....will get you no where. Time to Evolve....
No they are not Afrikans
They only became "afrikaaner" to impose themselves permanently on african soil. These people have always been calculated.
Clearly you don't know your history....
True they even support Cape independence and went to court fighting for right to display apartheid flag.
I hear you sis! Let them know. Whites wants us to forget what they put us through in Africa, North, South, Central and Caribbean.
The "ordinary Black person"????? Smfh
Wow, you lived in all those places?
Tell me, what did non-whites in your country build and invent?
@@heldinahtmlhellbased on atrocities.
What?
There weren't very many atrocities committed by Europeans in South Africa. It was a huge, sparsely populated country when they arrived. And the people who were living there were living like primitives.
Europeans simply built the country and farmed the land. There was no genocide. Then the natives who lived there demanded access to everything Europeans had built, and millions and millions more Africans from surrounding countries emigrated there because of the wealth and infrastucture that Europeans had built, they too demanded access to everything Europeans had built.@@wowbigman22011
There are some people that are so stupid that they cant believe they are so stupid.
Thomas Sowell
WooH 🔥 she is fire 🔥 but in all that commotion I hear her and a lot of other south africans understand and resonate with eff ,I just feel we can work out all these issues in a better way but only if we engage in mutual respect for one another coz I feel the majority of youth in South Africa be black whites and coloured or Indians is pass this racial divide where else our parents and grandparents are stuck at it …may God help us all
Well said! Race Is not the point here anymore. You are right! I we need to work together as youth. Get old thinking out!
it was never about race
Racism doesn't exist, its hate of the heart, these children of the lie, children of the devil will not prosper. The EFF, just like there Apartheid predecessors will be judged
It's not about race if you have good listening skills. It's about economical freedom and we are done asking for it politely, next year we are taking it back and we will take it all, because we see some races want us to suffer for ever.
Never use God for selfish reasons because God even blessed his servants who went to fight for a good course. God also gave them more power to kill those who were on the wrong side.
I still believe that Africans, in general, are now ready to fight for real justice. We can't be fooled, God never sad that a farmer is a white person only. African land and resources must be returned to the Africans to benefit all races. After that, we will all reconcile.
Maybe they are hoping that this time around the case will be assigned to a white judge who will rule in their favour.
The song leaves a bad taste in the mouth of most South Africans, imagine replacing the word "Boer" with "African", how would it feel to black people? Do we want create civil war in South Africa, Zimbabwe is a good comparison of failure. Leanne needs to go hungry to understand what it feels like.
😂😂the song has always left a very sweet taste in the mouth of the majority of south africans,, fyi more 50 million black south africans.
@@biko8229 the utmost sweetest. Sweeter than the farce of a rainbow nation.
Maybe your mouth lost it's sense of taste.
@@zn6471 They have no idea
Nah Don't act Black can't survive without whites.. That's kak.. White people can go back to Europe and leave us in peace😌
You can put your point across without being disrespectful. All that the EFF is fighting for is just, but we won't succeed if our conduct lacks sophistication and control of emotions.
we have tried that all our lives! Time to Roar!!!!
You are right. You need another spokes person. That one suffers from "shout louder and ignore everyone". What the EFF is fighting for WILL be JUST for the FEW at the top, and Malema's puppet masters. We will talk in another 30 years and see if the "previously disadvantaged" have been uplifted by the EFF or any other organization that fights for the black people. So far black leaders have only been fighting to stay at the top.
What a racially charged conversation. You can see the anger at play on one side, and a carefully thought out tale on the other.. wow.
is the anger unjustified?
@@zanehavic4125 Of course not, but it doesnt look great on screen as it comes across as racism
What are you talking about? Europeans throughout history have fought to regain their land so why is it wrong for Africa?
@@EfU574 Who said its wrong? I've said nothing of the sort. You've totally missed the point
@@Macdelcley who cares if they came centuries ago, it isnt their native land. There are black families that have been in european countries just as long, but as forced labor and were given no lands upon gaining freedom and are still hated and treated unfairly so im sorry but screw "white" problems, because as a whole they made the world this way. They have destroyed countless millions of natives all over the world and now that their power is waning they will probably blow it up rather than lose their place.
As a black South African we will never stop singing liberation songs such as this one bcs we only have politics freedom, we still fighting for economic n land freedom✊🏿
Maybe you should start working for it, and stop begging for free handouts...
Just saying 👍...
Hard work rewards, ask the farmers who built a farm from nothing to provide food for nations
Work for your money. Stop begging
@@erniegouws7262 many of them were assisted by apartheid government to take the land from africans, so how did they work do it?? bcs of u bought a stolen property from a thief it remain stolen no matter how they have manipulated the system to make it look legit or legal in a form of paper(title deed). We africans at reasonable in saying lets share the land.
@@erniegouws7262 Those farmers were given stolen land. The land must be redistributed.
@@riccij7754 that's what you've been told, you weren't there, so....
You have what you have because you worked for it, it's like saying Jesus stole His place as the Son of GOD, satan deserve it 🙋🏻♂️🙏...
Anyway, the farmers build their farm from nothing, they didn't squat on it....
Those with hatred towards other races, won't get anything from GOD as reward...
So ask yourself who has and who don't, maybe those who don't have should turn to Jesus as their savior, cause the witch doctor let them down 🤷🏻♂️😭✝️
You were not afraid in 1994 but you fear now why? I have been following malema for the past ten years and this guy would surely be president one day.
That one day is next year
Surely not !!!!
God has warned him through prophets not to seek innocent blood in this country, HE WILL NOT ALLOW IT !!!!
he will sow what he reap !!!!
What about the blood you spilled during your apartheid government?
@@rsamega2888 you spilled your own blood, don't blame whites for all your sins....
History show tribe against tribe...as much as I respect Shaka Zulu, he slaughtered many of his own people, so....
But you are being programed to hate and blame the white man, even after the ANC had 30 years to make things better for his people, now the white man must be blamed for everything 🤦🏻♂️
I don't fear him or ANYONE! I only fear God. But, it isn't right to be race baiting. We all know why he does it - he gets a reaction from people. He steals our energy so that we move our focus away from things that are REALLY important here - criminality, joblessness, poverty, etc..
Cool - and the ANC has done what over 30 years...?
What has the National Party done for us?
@@innocentshiba3637 we all fought to get rid of the Apartheid government. But, I do find it a tad odd that folks are so keen to protect this government. I understand that you feel they liberated you (never mind all the other parties and people who did the same), but, when will you get tired of them stealing from you? Taking YOUR taxes meant to TEACH YOU? Feed you? House you? Taking YOUR future.
Banning this song would be to erase one’s group history and sweep it under the rug.. while failing to attack the bigger issue ( inequality) why not establish that equal playing field then maybe that group who feels not listened to would be open to removing it
You will always be unequal because
1. you have no technologyof your own, you will always have to pay for technology including medical
2. you cannot add value to raw materials, you just want the finished goods
3. your children are too many, each will get less
4. you hate education, because you burn your schools down
5. you are lazy, you think the world owes you a living, so you sit and wait
6. you are socialists and communists, only capitalists and Jews are wealthy
7. you are violent and hate rule of law, so not welcome
8. you reject God, his laws and ways and you think HE does not see. You think he should bless you regardless
9. you are herd thinkers, cannot think independently
10. you drink too much and waste your money on brand-name
11. you hate maintaining things, you think new is better and it will last forever
12. you are racists, and believe whites are the problem
13. you vote for leaderships that suck you dry and bleed the economy, again and again and again
We create technology and avoid all the others above, that is the difference.
The big issue is not inequality but CORRUPTION TO EVENTUALLY START A REVOLUTION
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
It could not have happened in short period of time, perhaps tension in middle east and Europe can attest to that, please give da SA democracy to heal and progress with times!
Very true! We are a VERY young democracy.
what goes around finally comes around
Is that a threat?
JUST WHITE FEAR✊🏿❤😢
Yet Eff's ideology is built on Marxism... who came up with this... oh a white man called Carl Marx... From Germany.... ironic isn't it...
Leah Ann does not play games. Completely killed the entire conversation. The EFF is just built differently
No manners of respect for others, SURELY WE SEE IT 😢
@@erniegouws7262 White people in general dont have manners, how can someone welcome you into their home and then you take the bed and make them sleep outside with the dogs, lee-aan is responding to those kinds of people, you will pardon her for acting accordingly
@@erniegouws7262 We will never respect oppressors that lie to our faces about doing so. We are not stupid, we see what they are up to and they will not succeed
@@erniegouws7262what do you know about manners
@@luthovellem865 more than you suspect....
The difference of talk between Jesus and malema towards their opponent is a great indicator of how respect should be
Very important to remember is that Afri-forum through lawyers argued the same or almost they claiming now and the court (an independent court) made a judgment.
The EFF leader who just debated now might be a bit emotional and seemingly to be having no ear for Afri-forum bt the world especially South Africa and its people know what both EFF and Afri-forum stands for and from my position better this EFF leader who is not trying to sell what she does not have on the shelves, as for the other party which is not really one is simply not a true representation of facts, Afri-forum is not even seeking or calling for that reconciliation, no its not infact it has a problem with the particular struggle song regardless of any explanation or judgment which has been given in protection of the chant as historic and reactive to the current struggles and to suggest that it does not represent position of Africans because the party previously represented 10% of black South Africans is ignorance since Afri-forum leader's reference is a sum of old, and even if it could be only 2 African screaming help for the rest or most of Africans it wouldnt change two facts, one being that those two are still Africans and that it would be two then they're not Africans and second fact is that they would be representing an interest not only of their own bt based on truth, facts and reality of our struggles and freedoms.
Am troubled by Afri-Forum in that even in their engagements as explained its whites as farmers; poor blacks, blacks as farm workers and blacks as community and this two is evidence the is no equality nor is Afri-Forum fighting or hoping for such(equality)
Both white or black lives represent life, but in terms of systems we know white represent supremacy and black has long since represented struggle and victims of worse, untill the rise of such as fearless, militant, radical and Pan-Africanist leader like that of the EFF CIC and President JULIUS MALEMA, a men who stands for EQUALITY amongst many other things meaning he should never be seen as a man for blacks only as it would make no sense to call for blacks to be equal to themselves, equality which he calls for is simply an upgrade for blacks but still embodies preservation and acknowledgement of other races/colour including white race if it was not so to whom would Mr Malema and the EFF want blacks to be equal to?
There shall never be unity in South Africa if the land is still under the privileged minority and land thieves. The land issue has to be addressed and allow the black ppl to own land as well.
You have land in eastern cape, KZN and Limpopo, you mean you want ALL THE LAND 🤷🏻♂️....
You do realise the eff won’t LET you own land!
Like or Not, Africa, belongs to Black people. No more Stealing Africa's Nature Resources. Africa means Black. Love to South African Blacks. from Senegal ❤🇸🇳🌍🙏
Whose stealing from Africa, you idiot?
The world belongs to humans. That all!! Hating a race is not the answer. I was born after any Apartheid times, I don't own any land. I did not choose to be born here. The only language I know is an African one. As Humans we cannot choose our skin colour but we can choose OUR ATTITUDES!! I am not to be blamed for what white POLITICIANS chose in the past. Every country literally had some form of racial history. From Indian to Asians, Middle East, Europe, Africa and the Americas!! Which were all bad
@@vdw_12500 they jealous of whites, don't worry
@@vdw_12500 A year ago everyone felt disgusted at Africans. Now your'll all claim your'll are one. Karma is a b*tch, now the whole world will see who are the true leaders of wealth in this planet
I don't know what the DA and Afriforum are trying to achieve here. Making a mountain out of a molehill about a song black people have long known and sung and yet there has never been white genocide. If the boers don't feel good about this song it's a shame. 30 years is not a long enough time for black people to forget what the boers represent to them. If anything this is just making the EFF very relevant right before the elections, they literary don't have to rally. It is all done for them by the DA and Afriforum trying to rewrite black history and trying to make it about them being victims.
I couldn't have said it better
"I don't like your question"
Can't wait to see that argument ever hold water.
Fools are Foolish and it was Women's Day, just on Wednesday. She's a disgrace to any female entity, human, animal and plants.
What are you even saying? She can most certainly question the premise behind a question.
If she finds it offensive she must defintely say so. Who in their right mind thinks questions should not be challenged on the basis of civility.
EFF stop explaining yourself to these racist..Only fools will not see what they are trying to do.
The EFF is the racist
Exactly. 100 percent
We are unapolegiccaly want our stolen land back...
Then ask the stste who owns the majority of the land.
When did the white European people of South African become white South Africans.......... 1994? Cos we never had white South African before that.
Philip is a very understanding and genuine Mulungu.
He says that let's not give this song Oxygen.
Farmers need to share land and teach blacks to farm as well.
Zimbabweans who have started farming most of them are as good as the white farmers. It's all about commitment and level playing field.What Whites can do we are equal to the Task too....
It's a reality Blacks should enjoy the fruits of their land,the minerals in the belly of their country .
Why allow one race to enjoy ever since they came on the shores of our country.
South Africans have been super patient but it's time to go and tackle this inequality....
We need land and we want it now.
Julius Malema is our Man.Julius Malema Huchi Baba😂😅
This song will be sung until a gap is closed between whites and blacks, in terms of economy. We can't stand for poverty that we're faced with as blacks.
If ppl wait for politicians to do so, they're going to land up disillusioned. Just like they are now - promises of free electricity + water turned into ripping apart illegal power connections. So who is the culprits here?
What you really mean is that you want whites to give you everything they have worked for. You basically want to drop them down to your level of poverty and then you want to persecute them with your political power and superior numbers as a majority in South Africa. The poverty will not be alleviated by stealing from whites, and destroying white farms will leave us all hungry. Destroying whites will make no difference to our country. The problem lies with Marxist-Communist ideology and poor and corruot governance by the ANC government. The EFF will be no better.
Yes bringing everyone down to your level is the quickest way to achieve equality lol
I am not a farmer yet,we need food 4 everyone ❤
Yes, farm workers produce the food.
@@cosmicwakes6443 spinach. I will feed my friends and myself:)
The EFF is lawless and doesn't have a plan on how they rule the country. A day after he sang that, 79 year old Theo Becker was murdered while his wife was injured. Here is some evidence that the attack was done by EFF supporters
1. The most obvious one, it was after Malema chanted the song.
2. The attack took place in Mpumalanga, where this is one of the EFF's strongest support areas.
3. The song specifically says "Kill The Boer". Boer and Afrikaner are synonyms. The White people in Mpumalanga are mainly Afrikaners. And this happened in the town of Grootvlei which is 22.1% White and 21% of the residents here speak Afrikaans.
4. The suspects in this murder were not even 20! We can say because EFF has a stronghold among young South Africans, (even Malema knows this) the song would've just influenced them to do this.
Young ppl in SA are still part of the struggle against economic subjugation 😂
I get her. However, she needs to learn how to control her emotions. She needs training, on how to publicly debate without sounding like she is out of control.
This is notva debate..yes..it is about economic ewuality..This is African land, their ancestors 's land that gas been stolen...All things equal..please !!!!!.
@@lovellesokan9107 If you want land then buy it! Nobody is stopping you, the group areas act has been abolished, you can own land anywhere you like as long as you are willing to pay for it just like everyone else...
@lovellesokan9107 Debate was the wrong word. She needs to learn how to have a discussion with those with opposing views with composure. It matters when you want to get your concerns, grievances, and points across. She came off like an amateur.
@@BobyourUncle Why should we buy what your'll stole from us
cant buy what was yours from the very beginning. African are very correct to go seize this to correct a fundamental error in history. @@BobyourUncle
Why not sing a new song? An economic freedom song? Something that is new and associated with the EFF?
@helenduplessis4166, "The BIBLE" Greatest Book Ever Written.
Last Days Prophecy!
Babylon The Great (America) has Fallen.
JEREMIAH 22:13 Woe unto him that buildeth his house by unrighteousness, and his chambers by wrong: that useth his neighbours service without wages, and giveth him not for his work.
All Praises To The Most High and his Son, The Black Messiah.
@helenduplessis4166, Why don't you give back the land, and go back to the Caucus Mountains? ELOHIM Righteous Judgment Is Upon America and France The Wicked!!!
That does not refer to taking back the land stolen from them I assume?
@@shafiyaalgiquadra1105 the land has already been given back OR people have been given compensation. Really not sure which land they are referring to? But, anyway, why not sing songs that are a related to your party? Not the ANC? They can't get creative?
@@helenduplessis4166 which land has been given back? OR what sort of compensation has been levied and to who??
With modern technology why can’t you use it,to broadcast the respective respondent in a timely fashion.
She shouldn't represent anyone with her emotion it will destroy the whole purpose she stands for.
Africa we are uniting I am loving it 😊 viva Eff
Never going to happen.
@@Don-ym8cmwe will se lol
For Africa to unite, first they must kick out all their corrupt leaders. That will mean revolution and war in every African state on the continent.
Rich Africans cannot share with their poor or create dynamic economies. Not yet
@@Don-ym8cm 😂its ok to be in denial, fact is Mali, Burkina Faso, Algeria have all closed their airspace to the coloniser who wants to attack our brothers in Niger who are defending their minerals from the blood thirsty French and their friends.
Jes let's vote for the EFFUP.
South Africa is a sad joke😢
I guess your country is worst
I think you miss home
This reporter is talking her camel to say we don't the experience of the struggle whilst the injustices of the past persist to this day.
Why did the BI bring her on if she doesn't want to hear her?
Eff viva..the lady was on fire and she put paid to the efforts of afriforum to stoke the notion of "white genocide".. so great to hear Eff standing their ground like this..Viva Eff viva❤❤❤❤❤
This Afriforum guy is saying South Africa has a divided past, South Africa is divided now. Majority of black people are still in their townships and white people are still in their surbusbs.
There are only 4 million whites in S.A, chase them out and give their positions to black people, then you still have over 30 million unemployed black people. Even if all whites leave the majority will be poor, they are not magically becoming wealthy or have "economic freedom" like you call it. In a communist country only the leaders will be wealthy. By the looks of it, in another 30 years from now, there is going to be 60 million people unemployed in S.A as it gets worse every year. Only one percent of whites are super wealthy, the rest are working class and even a large portion of whites are extremely poor. The same with blacks in S.A, one percent of blacks are extremely wealthy. If you take one percent of 60 million people you get a lot more than one percent of 4 million people. So in other word there are a lot more wealthy black people in South-Africa than whites.
Why do you think that is? I know of many estates and gated communities that jave ethnicities of all kinds and the distinguishing factor is not race but wealth. Get a life!!!
As a white person I would feel very scared seeing or hearing people singing this song and I guess it would be the same for people of colour if they heard a similar song sang against them. Working together means being respectful of feeling for whoever it is whether black, people of colour or white.
"Landlessness" is the result of the ANC not using the budget to buy land.
They will never buy the land because the owners are scammers and will refuse to sell even they were offered a million dollars an acre.
The struggle song is a struggle song the high court have ruled on that matter we have group of cry babies in this country every complain that comes from them it must be given attention and always need to be given preference and treated as privileged than all of all
Imagine whites singing ""kill the black man"""
HOW WOULD YOU FEEL !!!!
we must find ground for common sense again
Viva EFF viva ❤❤❤❤❤❤
South Africa Court already ruled that this IKWEJO (not a song) is 100% legal and allowable under law. This is not a song, not a call for genocide, just celebrating a tradition that was an essential part of gaining legal rights as humans for Blacks. All the liberation IKWEJO are liberatory, unifying and legal. They are NOT a call to kill anyone ever. This was an ESSENTIAL liberation practice IKWEJO, the current chant are celebrating liberation. It is only because white South Africans tortured, dehumanized and murdered in constant genocide Blacks like rats. This IKWEJO is a remembrance that we will never be treated as slaves again. A reminder, not a call for murder. IN FACT white South African farmers were given a "free ticket" and never punished for their atrocities. They now must share the land and wealth and they will, whether they like it or not. No one needs to be harmed, as Mandela called for, but the time has come to share the land, gold and diamond wealth. So it is, so it will be.
The person interwing is not smart u can tell she has chosen a side in this conversation but am glade the truth stood still