Game Theory: These 25 Pokemon are DEAD Because of YOU!
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Pokémon Legends: Arceus raised a LOT of questions about the history of the Pokémon universe. Today, we are tackling one of them. Why are the regional Pokémon from the game MISSING in the later games? One word: EXTINCTION! That's right, something caused the Pokémon to die off, leaving the current world without them. What was that cause? Well, it was YOU - the player! Yep, it's all your fault. So sit back and I'll tell you why.
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If that's the route we're going with this, we have to talk about Lapras. There is a guy who said he spent his childhood afternoons breeding and releasing Lapras back in genII because the pokedex said they were endagered. Fast forward to genVII, now it says that due to peoples efforts wild Lapras' numbers have rise to the point it is no longer in risk of extinction
Yessss I was thinking about that story!! :))
On top of that, Scyther got an entirely new evolution (Scyzzor) that results from an item that looks man made, at least it looks like that to me.
@@adamnakamura8003 It did :)
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@@heisenbergcollins8153 jaja
Honestly, given that Voltorb and Electrode are deliberately meant to resemble Pokeballs to serve as traps, I think it's likely that they transitioned from an apricot design to a more metallic design in order to continue tricking trainers who had largely switched to using more modern Pokeballs (presumably since the Apricorn Pokeballs were gathered unsustainably)
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Bot sweep!
Seems plausible
Yeah that was my assumption about them as well
That's assuming that they're not the tragic results of faulty pokeballs.
I think one problem with the Voltorb example is that they don't canonically reproduce naturally, and can only exist where Pokéballs exist. So it makes sense that they would be made of the kind of Pokéball that's in use. As metal Pokéballs became more popular, fewer wooden Voltorbs were created, and they eventually died out.
technically pokeballs aren't canonically made of metal. From what we know, they are still to this day made from apricorn as the only pokeballs we see that are made are the special pokeballs made by kurt, all being made from apricorn.
so voltorbs are man made pokemon?
@@spiderfrog2023yeah, I think so :)
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@@WarriorSims38 what?
Perhaps Arceus had another motive. They saw that without the player's intervention, Volo, the "Pokemon Wielder" would have torn the world apart by driving Dialga/ Palkia mad. Volo himself posits that the player was sent to Hisui to prevent him from realizing his plans
ya
a pokémon theory??? it feels like it’s been years
@Milan 💛⤵️ shut up
@p you too
There's way too many bots
His last video was literally about pokemon
It HAS.
Alternatively, without the player’s intervention, humans may have simply tried to exterminate all Pokémon entirely out of fear. Arceus could have been trying to avert the worst case scenario.
agree. matpat just can't help but make everything sound like the main characters fault. or that the main characters are evil. it is like a running gag that evolved into a overused running gag. these theorys are way too cheep. anyone can make these theories with little effort in them and have the same results. it is overall boring.
@@MegaDragonmark yes, everyone can, but not everyone will. Mostly because it does require effort. Making a video like this isn't as easy as you think.
However, i do agree that GameTheory is overusing, "The Player is EVIL" shock factor click bait.
@@Elipson52008 i was talking about whipping up a theory a kin to the thory in the video. i was not saying it was easy to make a dam video.
seriously. its just relating what we did as humanity to the environment. so on and so forth. i already know that humanity is a pain. i do not need more reasons to hate it more.
@@MegaDragonmark He never stated that you, the player, were evil. He just stated that this was your doing.
If anyone is curious, Basculegion and Hisui Zorua line are excluded as it was humans hunting them that allowed them to exist. When humans stopped doing such, basculin stopped evolving and Zorua/Zoroark lost their hatred of humans.
Well, then where did they go?
@@Chaotic.Fish88 did you not read what he said :|
@@bt7777 No, sorry I understand I was kinda shy in my wording. What I mean is where did all the Zorua go? To Unova? That’s a while away, there’s no way *all* of the Zorua went to Unova. Maybe they did tho.
@@Chaotic.Fish88 probably not all but idk
@@bt7777 well if not all the Zorua left, then where are they in modern Sinnoh? That’s what I was asking
The wyrdeer thing reminds me of neoteny. Neoteny is a phenomena where animals evolve to stay in their larval form. It's the reason why axolotl exist, and the best explanation for how vertebrates evolved from hemichordates
Actually, "neoteny" is where something retains juvenile traits in adulthood.
Axolotls are a weird case because they have neoteny without having that selectively bred into them.
True, my description was poor
I think Ursaluna might just have been a trait that wasn’t useful enough for Ursaring to keep. Honestly, the Pearl Clan wardens might have been the only ones who could be bothered to evolve an Ursaring. Ursaring are already apex predators, so why would they bother to find a peat block and keep it until a full moon? Assuming they’re even smart enough to understand their own evolution requirements, not only would they be wasting energy to search for the item instead of say, searching for food, they would also be losing all the benefits of being bipedal for a power boost they didn’t need in the first place.
yeah and i mean other than massive mass outbreaks there are no instances of ursaluna, sneasler, or kleavor in the wild. So evidently the clans were the ones evolving them, so when the clans went extinct, the evolutions did too.
There are several Pokémon who need an object to evolve and if you have played any of the Pokémon Dungeon games, you can see how smart and able Pokémon are and the things that they use on themselves in order to even survive. (Like they have their own special items for health, culture, currency and carry such things as revival seeds)
So I would say if an Ursaring wanted to evolve to Ursaluna, they could do so if they desired to do that, like a Pokémon can also decide not to evolve at all (I mean Pokémon on the wild btw.).
If you want Pokémon to do battle they would have to be smart enough to know what you are telling them. Shoot I wouldn't go this route but on the anime Team Rocket's Meowth has a whole personality. And any Movie that focuses on the Pokémon only also shows the complicated lives they lead and how capable they are.
And I highly doubt the Clans were evolving the Pokémon, seeing how both were very against taking the will away from Pokémon, they let Pokémon choose if they wanted to be a companion or not. And we're even offended by the player at first.
Yes
@@hangsthemighty912
1, the pokemon in the mystery dungeon world are not the same as the ones in the world of the main line games. If they were as intelligent as the ones that have a full society, they wouldn’t be taking orders from humans or living like animals in the wild.
2, I didn’t say they weren’t capable of it if they wanted to, I said that, in the wild, there’s no real reason they *would* want to, again, as evidenced by the fact that you don’t encounter any Ursaluna in the wild while Ursaring are plentiful.
3, while yes, pokemon do have individual personalities, ones like Team Rocket’s Meowth or Sir Aaron’s Lucario that posses human level intelligence are very few and very far between
And 4, Palina, a fellow Pearl Clan warden, tells the player that the clan at large is critical of her because she *wasn’t* forcing the Growlithe descended from the hero’s Arcanine to train harder, evolve, and become the Lord Pokemon, so there’s no reason to assume they wouldn’t be the same way about making sure the descendant of the hero’s Ursaluna also became an Ursaluna.
Also the Gen 4 games don’t show the sky
Well, to be fair, the player doesn't exactly have a choice, Mat... they're given an ultimatum by the leaders of the Galaxy expedition - either help them collect pokemon and be given a home and food, or left to die in the wilderness. Cyrus' ancestor says so herself. The fact that they're from the future and have knowledge that they don't is just an advantage. XD
basically like gen 4 galaxy team is evil
@Josh the Joshey Boii sus
also, hes straight up wrong about the future knowledge. you the player have that knowledge, the character doesn't, even at the start they point out you dont remember anything about where you come from
@@thunderborn3231 oh yeah, i forgot about that bit XD
@@thunderborn3231 That might be true, but it's more of an instinct than a memory. You're instinctively aware that pokemon are helpful, and some are even docile. So a loss of memory wouldn't affect it since it's hard-wired from when you were in the future.
I viewed Voltorb’s change was due to industrialization. Going from a moral rural environment to cities. Drawn to cities due to the transition from steam power to electric power. Thus their themeing evolved from wood to metal.
Man. I would love to see a game theory about how Garganacl is absolutely the main export of the Paldea region; with Pokémon being generally region locked, and their entry being about how they use their salt on their fingers to heal pokemon, it makes sense that they would be farmed to use that salt to make healing food..
Personally, my expectation is that Arceus's plan was twofold: To send you from the future into the past to encourage humans and Pokemon to become symbiotic, but also sent you BACK to the future with the knowledge of how these Hisuian forms became extinct with the expectation that modern civilization would be able to bring them back.
Peat may be gone from Sinnoh, but it can still be imported or possibly substituted with a synthetic. And today the region relies much more on renewables so its value as a possible fuel source is very much diminished.
The same goes for apricorns: Gone from Sinnoh, still available in Johto, etc.
Stantler may have lost its natural ability to learn the move, but a TM could be developed to teach it to captive Stantler.
And so on and so forth.
peat is plant organisms that died and ended up in the water, so the great swamps should have some peat still. so yeah, peat making a comeback could totaly happen :D
Maybe thats what happened, they are some pokemon from hisui that will be wildly in the next game *Scarlet and Violet
Metal coat could be a sub already
The games to tend to do that with Fossil Pokemon so why not?
@@phoenixali4479 metal coat and the augurite are literally just old a new versions of each other rock=old metal=new
I read the title and just subconsciously said “yay” I knew catching every single growlithe I could and shoving them into a box all their own would do something
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@Adli Susanti sus
Nice 😂
I think this is a really smart tactic to introduce new pokemon and explain why they're not there in the future, give them all reasons to go extinct. Very interesting!
"Scyther no longer be able to evolve" scizor: am I a joke to you
Actually, the starter's evolutions in this game (IE Decidueye, Typhlosion and Samurott) were Pokemon that Professor Laventon admits he bought here from another region, IE they're not native, they only have hisuian forms because it is mentioned that something effected their final evolutions from what they were supposed to be
For Decidueye specifically, his nature cloak is based on the Deciduous Forest, which changes with the seasons, it's likely Hisuian Decidueye is just a form taken when evolving in the colder climate
I can’t wait for Scarlet/Violet to completely steamroll this and bring those ancient Pokémon back for fun.
Atleast the games theme being past and future it'll make sense.
We already will get hisuian zoroa and zoroark
To be fair we've been able to bring back extinct pokemon since Gen 1. Just look at Omanyte, Omistar, Kabuto, Kabutops, and Aerodactyl.
I think the Pokemon are already confirmed that they will come back in the two new games xD
Well, they didn’t, the hisuian are going to be accessible from Pokemon home
I swear nobody knows about the Wii’s PokePark, that game was my CHILDHOOD and I still often replay it, this isn’t about the video but I figured while we’re on the topic of Pokémon-
Funny enough, I just rediscovered that game a few days ago due to (I think?) a reddit post. Been considering seeing if wii emulators for PC were a thing, so I could mess with it again
pokepark was my childhood. boyfriend recently gave me his copies of the original and the sequel to play on my wii u :)
All of this kind of makes sense, with it paraelling our real life. My area is very mountainous, so we had cougars and mountain cats running around. We changed so much of the landscape that we no longer have any cougars and mountain cats running around.
I think the one issue you have is with Hisuian Forms. Because they didn’t “die” out, they evolved into the new current forms today. Like liligant’s are still alive, just no longer fighting type.
Those two terms arent mutually exclusive though - the domestic dog only evolved from a fraction of their ancestral wolf species, so you couldn't say that the species as a whole evolved into dogs.
Just because a species arises from another doesn't mean the 'parent' species goes extinct either - domestic chickens account for the majority of birds on the planet but the junglefowl species their ancestors hail from still exist in the jungles of Southeast Asia.
but the modern liligant cannot be found in sinnoh
Same for Zoroark but for them its because they no longer really hate humans, this pokemons is litteraly a dark sasuke alive but now they are cooler
But the Lilligants were native to Hisui but not in Sinnoh. Plus, we're talking evolution via natural selection. While the species as a whole didn't die out, the Hisuian varients most likely did die and the survivors were just those with more beneficial traits
Dinosaurs are extinct, right?
So… why chicken
I don’t know, I personally think that the voltorbs and electodes evolved not from being hunted, but for camouflage. As the trees were harvested, they began to lose more and more places to hide, they evolved to look more like the thing the trees were used for, the pokeballs. To me, it really wouldn’t make much sense for them to evolve with pokeballs if they were being hunted because they looked the same. That is why it would make more sense for them to evolve with the pokeballs so that they could camouflage with them (which we have seen them do in the anime)
@Redstones Lover wow
@Redstones Lover gollum
And in the games too, I remember being ambushed by them in firered
@kevinzen your bad
Considering how most of Sinnoh are forest, I don't think they ran out of trees.
We literally have machine’s that can bring back fossils in Pokémon
That requires there to be a fossil. As far as I know, there's no recorded fossils of any of these pokemon, and that could be easily believed given that many of these pokemon (the evolutions at least) don't exist in the wild outside of select exceptions, such as the Ursaluna and Kleavor boss fights. In the entire game there is only one wild Wyrdeer, and it's unlikely that a fossil would have been made from it since many of the methods of rapid fossilization aren't present in its natural habitat. For a fossil to be present of many of them, it would have to have been because of the actions of the player - intentionally killing them in ways that would result in rapid fossilization, such as dropping them into a volcano or flash-freezing them in the tundra somewhere that would only ever be found by the player. Hisuian Growlithe might have fossils, but it seems unlikely with how Growlithe are typically highly resistant to heat. Some of them are also highly unlikely to be capable of being fossilized, such as Hisuian Lilligant.
There are several that aren't mentioned in this video though, such as Hisuian Sneasel/Sneasler, Hisuian Lilligant, the Hisuian Starters (which aside from the three in town show up nowhere in the wild and only through Distortion Events, caused by Giratina) and a couple others I can't think of off the top of my head. However, with the returning presence of Giratina, and our ability to catch and possibly control it in BD/SP, it's very possible that it could be used to create controlled distortions for the sake of hunting down and potentially breeding some of those Pokemon. After all, the distortions specialize in pulling Pokemon from many different places and times. Case in point - Shieldon and Rampardos couldn't exist in Arceus without Giratina's distortions, and they don't exist in BD/SP without fossil regeneration.
@@netatsake he made a small comment and you responded with an essay 😂
@@Logiebear2310 In true GameTheory fashion, baby.
They' machines are imperfect, almost all of them come back as half Rock type
For Voltorb and Electrode, doesn't it make more sense that the Apricorns were overharvested so humans started making pokeballs out of different materials and the Voltorbs and Electrodes just evolved (Not Pokemon Evolve) to resemble the more modern pokeballs?
I don't think so. Since Apricorns were the primary object used to start the production of Pokeballs it is reasonable that humans wanted to find a similar material that could possibly fill the absence of Apricorns once it was overharvested. And since Voltorbs and Electrodes were a living resemblance of the wood once used to make Pokeballs, they probably thought it was the material with most similarities and just decided to use it as a replacement.
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So he's ruining himself?
Only 3 or 4 counting me humans here lmao
Decidueye, Samurott and Typhlosion are different. They got a new form because they are not native to Hisui to begin with, Decidueye's natural habitat is a tropical island for example. They evolved to adapt the new environment.
Even worse: they are now an invasive species to Hisui and it messes up the eco system.
@Josh the Joshey Boii no it's not
well its debatable as while this does work explaining why there is no hisuian samurott or decidueye. You could transfer a cyndaquil into the original diamond and peal games and evolve it to a normal typhlosian. The starter you get is brought from another reigon so it isnt our definition of evolution causing this. Its much more likely that in ancient hisui there is some sort of energy causing them to change forms. Possibly the spacetime rift.
@@Clover999X3 which may explain avalugg
You realize that this game was in the past, right? These Pokemon are native to Hisui. That's the first place they ever lived.
@@Clover999X3 evolution is a misnomer, as it's more of a metamorphosis
0:24 Missed opportunity to say connect a few seedots
The protgonists' pupils constricting to make them look insane is genuinely freaky-
It makes more sense for Voltorb/Electrode to be evolving for mimicry with their generation's respective pokeball
It does make you wonder why the original Voltorbs became a Pokeball before they were popular tho...
@@MegaHuntress Well, they were mimicking Apricorns, and then when Pokéballs became really popular they changed to mimicking that.
@@klop4228 I know that.
But WHY mimic Apricorns BEFORE they started being used as pokeballs?
@@MegaHuntress Probably to avoid being eaten by flesh-hungry predators, like a stick bug? Look like something other than your predator's food source and they won't bother you. Anything that thinks it's an apricorn will be caught off-guard and more easily fought off, if they even have any interest in eating the voltorb after it discovers it's an animal and not a nut.
@@spookycreachre Yeah that makes a lot of sense.
Minor complaint here - Rowlett (and by extension its evolved forms) are native to Alola so Hisuian Decidueye is probably an example of speciation rather than extinction. It likely evolved into its grass/fighting form as a result of the environmental pressures of Hisui and is the first instance of its kind. You could probably say the same for Hisuian Samurott and various of the other regional forms discussed in this game, although the extinction argument does apply to the majority of species in this video. Typhlosion is a weird case, and it's possible Hisui was the the original form of the Pokemon because ties to Spiritomb before it naturally migrated to the connecting Johto region where it multiplied and became the dominant form (Bird Keeper Toby has a great theory on this).
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Yeah, I was going to comment that I'm pretty sure The starters were specifically brought there from other regions and eventually when the civilization grew they didn't need to bring Pokemon from their home land to fight against the Pokemon as it was their home now and they tamed Turtwig, Chimchar and Piplup instead
I think oshawott and Rowlett being native is still possible , the starters are just rare Pokémon usually and their home region is just where they were first recorded , I.e charmanders are native to galar but since oak did the whole Pokédex thing with actual proper numbers as a “national” dex
Actually, their presence in this game and region could imply that they were initially native to Hisui but got introduced to Alola (there are a lot of Pokemon that AREN'T native to Alola) or Rowlet (and its evolved forms) used to exist in Hisui but were rendered extinct. Worth noting is that Rowlet and its evolved forms, looks-wise, are based off of the barn owl, which is the MOST widespread owl species there is.
Another theory for some pokemon like Wyrdeer, since the way we battle changed the secret to their evolution was lost since we don't use strong and agile styles anymore. This could also work in tandem to the game theory.
Can’t wait for Matpat to talk about the new Gen 9 paradox forms we got
Haven't played a Pokemon game since black/white 1. What are you talking about?
@@ImNotQualifiedToSayThisBut Paradox forms are basically pokemon from the future or past, being either robot-like(future) or caveman-like(past)
@@ImNotQualifiedToSayThisBut oh, boy...
A decent few of the pokemon still have a chance of coming back, like missing items or forgotten moves, so imagine if gen 10 would get the player to slowly help the extinct pokmon to go back, such as finding enough scrap or a full piece of ore to help scyther evolve. Of course some of them are fine with where they are like voltorb but I think it would be a neat idea nonetheless!
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We already have done that remember the fossil Pokémon they were extinct until we brought them back so tbh your right we have a way to do it already so why not
Being we see alot of these pokemon in S&V in the wild there not extinct. Mat is just ignoring facts because he wanted to make a pokemon video to jump on the pokemon train like he said at the start of the video
@@blo0dysmiles297 Whatever, dude. XD
@@blo0dysmiles297 or maybe, and this is just maybe, those games already did all the work of fixing that. Specially for the pokemon who are not evolving due to forgetting a move or lacking the right item.
That is not even considering that an animal/pokemon might be extint in one region but not in the other. As seen with how each region has a completely different list of pokemon.
Remember that Liiligant was confirmed in Scarlett and Violet and Hisuian Zorua/Zoroark are in from the Japanese website so it's possible that some of these pokemon migrated to other regions
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@@heisenbergcollins8153 gollum
There's also Pokemon Go to consider.
Hisuian versions of; Voltorb, Electrode, Sneasel, Sneasler, Growlithe, Arcanine, Qwilfish, Overqwil, & Braviary, are all available in game.
@@SomeBloke420 Isn't the story behind that that they came from portals opening up though?
Source?
I think you should do a review on the newest theory where the new female protagonist of the pokemon anime is ash daughter and see if there any science to back it up because that seems very interesting to me to see if it has any chance of being true
With the voltorbs in a previous video it was mentioned that they may be disguising themselves as pokeballs to hunt humans or something similar and they may have evolved to look like current pokeballs to continue this. I think the video was called Pokémon are hunting us or something along those lines and it was from game theory
I'm glad you specified Pokémon being used for competitive sport. It's not animal pit fighting, because the Pokémon want to fight. They want to fight to better themselves, like martial artists. These battles are basically instinctual martial arts tournaments.
Now that is something I didn’t think about
@@renzojeripalomino4885 heck, if you look at the Pokémon Mystery Dungeon it seems that this drive for self improvement remains, even in a [almost?] Humanless world.
@@devilsadvocate1380 even in the anime (indigo league) there’s a trainer with a Pokémon that just left him after losing all their badges to team rocket, and meowth says that the said Pokémon wanted to get stronger and have a chance at being a Pokémon master and quit after all that hard work was wasted due to all their badges being stolen
Speaking of badges does anyone even know where to get a rock badge after Brock left?
@@heaven4772 his dad
No, SOME of them want to fight. And that still doesn't work, because in animal pit fighting, animals are actively wound up or baiting into committing to the fight.
So it can be pit fighting even WITH the pokemon's desire to fight.
Consider this too for the voltorbs: in an effort to keep the last members of the species alive, HUMANS modified them to be metal in some way - we've done things like chopping off horns to protect species before, so I can totally see a group doing that to keep them alive - and it clearly worked.
I don't want to imagine the process that went through to change Voltorb's entire anatomy to another substance.
@@RGC_animation Gene editing perhaps? We see species restored from fossils, not much of a stretch
The item Metal coat exists later in gen 2+.
It's likely that some voltorbs/electrodes were coated by it and became the "metal" pokemon we know of since gen 1?
i agree but idk about chopping off horns to keep them alive... if anything we do that and end up killing them. maybe chopping off sheeps' tails so they dont get infections
I have to say tho, that getting your hands on enough apricorns to get the trees to vanish from the region is almost impossible unless every person catches thousands of Pokémon. Not to mention that there are fields at wgich apricorns can be planted. Overall the whole theory is pretty farfetched in the first place and doesn't make much sense when it comes to certain points.
What about typhlosion’s entry? Did it say that it’s form is caused by the soles of the region? So what happened to it?
Pokemon can die without trainers killing them.
I actually have a funny story about Pokemon. One day in 2nd grade, my art class had a substitute. She put on a Snorlax drawing tutorial, and when it was over, I remember her words exactly. She said, “Ok class, when you get home, ask your parents if this is Pokeyman. They might of watched the show growing up.”, and I still laugh about it to this day.
A few things feel wrong here
Alternatively I think wyrdeer just didn't need the fur as temperatures rised
And quilfish got weaker not because of hunting but because they weren't able to swim in the harsher currents that were being occupied by boats so they moved and assimilated with other quilfish
Mate, if Wyrdeer just didn't want fur, it wouldn't grow as much fur later on in evolution. The species wouldn't just stop existing. Also, there is no proof that other Quilfish exist.
@P delta 8:10 "A different form of quilfish live in other regions" it would make sense that researchers would bring those quilfish so they can study the differences
@@IkrAer And that would lead to assimilation how? If the things can't swim, they can't just move somewhere else.
@@pdelta it didn't stop existing as a matter of fact not one of these creatures actually seem to of died off
changed isn't the same as died off many of these pokemon still exist in different forms or simply stopped evolving but haven't died off
@@apirlfools Mate, if the entire species is completely absent from every single game, then it doesn't exist anymore.
The thing is that apricorns are still used for pokeballs though, so I would highly doubt that Sinnoh would import all of its apricorns. it's honestly more likely that it adapted to the new Pokéballs and changed its design. it's more likely that hisuian Voltorb is an ancestor then a new species
I think you misunderstood what he said
@@Cameron_Maguire well if they ran out and hunted voltorbs, then the extinction of those voltorbs wouldn't allow any more pokeballs to be made, and as op mentioned, apricorns are still used in pokeballs in modern games, so it's really unlikely for the video to be correct on that account
It could have been a very specific species of apricorns
@@Tokuijin nope, same apricorn species as there are already stated different species in every gane with them, so if they dont even imply the pla apricorns change to modern then wheres the proof they do?
I mean in another entry in the games
"Stantler's magnificent antlers were traded at high prices as works of art. As a result, this Pokémon was hunted close to extinction by those who were after the priceless antlers." ORAS. While yes it couldve been because of the fur I think it was more because of the horns too
I don’t think you are wrong per se, but you are likely not right on the application.
It’s not so much Stantler being “bullied” into not using the special move mentioned, but only the ones that couldn’t use it survived. The ones that could use the move and evolved were hunted. Only the individuals who could not use the move, who would not previously have passed along their genes because it was a disadvantage, were now the only ones passing along their genes because it had become an advantage.
Same with the Voltorbs they clearly evolved to look a certain way, either to hide or ambush prey. When there were no more apricorn’s or apricorn based pokeballs they essentially lost that environment they were adapted to fit into - so only those that looked a certain way (i.e. like modern pokeballs) survived.
I especially enjoy the theory outside of this that the husian sneasel was the original one, and then evolved into the form we know after being hunted by the gligar thrived in the area and can easily beat it. And sneasel became an ice type to fight back against the quad weak scoprion
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I feel like in a weird way, Basculin/Basculegion are an opposite of this. They’re thriving most likely due to urbanization. Basculegion is a result of Basculin dying in massive numbers, most likely implying that the environment is not suitable for the species. Hisuian Basculin is even referenced to being more timid than it’s modern day counterpart which may be an aspect of this. Basculegion no longer exists because Basculin have found environments that are better suited to them, and they’ve become more aggressive, meaning they’re not dying off in such vast quantities
Possibly, but unlike other regional varients in the game, Basculin isn't strictly referred to as "Hisuian" but as "white Striped" meaning it's notimpossible that just the white varient died out, or just evolved into the 2 types we know of today.
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a few corrections.
1. there is no way they could've ran out of peat, there is just SO much of it, I grew up in the Appalachian mountains where there are some of the biggest deposits of coal known to exist and I have seen how massive the mines are despite only just scratching the surface of the deposits, most mining operations in developed countries stopped because of the (compared to Africa or south America or asia) high labor costs NOT because of the mines drying up, also peat isn't fully unrenewable like coal, on top of this it is fairly easy to create in a lab on a much shorter timeframe, like how you can grow sapphires in a lab in a matter of a few weeks instead of a few million years.
2. just because the "wild" species went extinct doesn't mean the species as a whole did, many of the wild species of plants and animals humans domesticated now don't exist, its actually impressive what you can do in just a few hundred generations of selective breeding, look at the difference between a wolf and a pug, or the difference between a wild corn plant and a modern one, yeah every single bit of food you eat is genetically engineered, selective breeding is a form of genetic engineering just as gene editing is.
Also, apricorns are found in other regions. Johto, Unova and Alola are confirmed to have been discovered before hisui because of the starters. Kanto and kalos were too for Growlithe and avalugg. if you've gone to kalos then I can't see how you miss galar. Several of these regions have apricorn trees all around the place, so it just wouldn't be efficient to hunt a pokemon that can explode without warning
Electrodes probably just changed after living in city environments for several generations. They mimic the materials around them.
Professor Laventon is actually from Galar, so we know that it’s inhabited too. Honestly, given that this game is set during the Pokemon world’s equivalent of the annexation of Hokkaido, which happened in the 1860’s-1870’s, there’s no way that the colonization of Hisui wasn’t going to happen on it’s own. The player may have sped it up by completing the Pokédex, but it’s not like we were the only members of the survey corps working on the thing. It was inevitable.
I love how in MatPat's pokemon theories he's always so "Why did this happen?" When he knows the answer is because Game Freak needed some regional exclusives and they just wanted to use Arceus' region which is also the most popular region overall.
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I have a friend who, without ever watching MatPat, has been into Pokemon lore for nearly two decades. He has remained fascinated by how incredible the world is and loves to talk about how well it's put together. I agree that they needed exclusives, but they also have fully set this stuff up and have *been* setting up things like this in the way they expand the world's pokemon.
That said, i'm not really that big on much of the lore myself, i just enjoy watching MatPat overanalyze literally anything. But my friend has been talking about and noticing stuff like this in pokemon for ages.
@@heisenbergcollins8153 yessir
@@Chronicler9 The pokémon world is about as well put together as a toddler's block tower, but I'm glad your friend has a hobby. LOL.
I never thought the anthropology class I took would connect to a game theory.
All 25 hisuian Pokémon are going extinct
Hisuian Zorua and Zoroark: I forgot where that’s my problem.
Let's talk about Kamado's reaction to the cataclysmic events in game. He throws reason and logic out the door and goes full warmonger. I think Arceus preemptively brought us back to save either us or (more likely) Pokémon from being COMPLETELY wiped out in the region.
Studies show that in the last 40 years, humans have been responsible for the extinction of 60% of species. Compare that to the 10% of lost Pokémon from over 140 years. I'd say Arceus made the right call. And who knows, Wydeer and the other evos could come back in another region. Admittedly there is no hope for the species wide ones (Growlithe, Voltorb, etc.)
No neccesarily. I believe Hisuian Lilligant and Zoroark have been confirmed for S&V
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@@AZDfox Lilligant is one of the contenders I mentioned. Petilil isn't Hisuian. Zorua and Zoroark in SV is dope though.
@@daniboy018 zorua and zoroark make sense since the hisuan forms are canonically lost souls so they could still be somewhere.
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@kevinzen Peluchin, T-Series, Oh Hey Cj, Morgz, and Meowbahh already have that title.
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You need to do a theory on "the witness" it's an interesting puzzle game with skatered lore told throught the environmental storytelling, exploring the open world in this almost post apocoliptic setting, solving secret puzzle that reveal new areas and hidden videos and voice recordings. It's aminous, it's beautiful and is begging for a game theory
4:44 why does this remind me of the Ford gt
I always thought it was evolution since they didn't need to be as aggressive 'cause we befriended them. As for the traveling Pokemon like Wyrdeer and Basuliegon we just got better equipment like cars and boats.
Ah, sort of like the domestication of... well, a lot of real-world animals. Most dog breeds didn't need to be as big or as strong as wolves, because humans took care of them. Livestock pigs became much gentler than their wild counterparts, because we bred them to be that way. And cattle as we know them, only exist as a species because of human intervention. So, that would also make sense; besides driving things to extinction, humans also drive animals into unusual evolutionary paths.
evolution isn't based on need. It's a completely RANDOM process....
@@LamanKnight Yes that's what I'm thinking
@@ch3ater13 Lmao it totally is not, evolution is based on need, if a species doesn’t evolve to survive in its habitat it will go extinct therefore species evolve by passing the genes of the members of said species that survived their habitat
@@ch3ater13 i mean yes but alot of evolution has stemmed from environmental impact and survival so can't just exclude that by saying its all random.
Hisuian Zorua line goes extinct because they set aside their malice for humans and can go to rest.
Basculegion goes extinct because humanity assisted them in not dying during migration.
Snesal just slowly shifted to being the standard Jotohnian one, and so Sneasler no longer have a Pokémon to evolve from.
Actually basculin has to compete with magikarp and if your evolution in universe has you taking the souls of dead relatives I don't think you can out pace magikarp only place it did was unova
To be fair, the Pokémon that went extinct had it coming. They were involved in banishing Zorua and Zoroark to the cold, condemning them to become ghost types. Arceus, furious at their sins, brought a human to bring them to extinction, allowing the Zorua and Zoroark that died to rest in peace.
I'm pretty sure it was humans that banished Zoroark and Zorua.
Bruh.. an elephant sees its mother die to poachers. Wills itself to have smaller tusk…
Ends up with smaller tusks. Now thats something
Here’s a thing about Basculin and Basculegion I noted a while back:
Basculin is a Pokémon we seen from Unova, from across the ocean if we were to locate it like we do with the other Pokémon regions and their real world counterparts.
Pokémon from Unova evolve in higher levels than other regions except for Basculin. This might be that the Hisui region was very hostile to the Basculin species, but still managing to adapt and overcome, while the Unovan Basculin, not needing to worry about the hospitality of the nature of its surroundings, not needing to adapt and evolve like the Hisuian counterpart, which you can interpret that as Unova being very much more calmer than the waters of Hisui as less Basculin die in Unova than they do in Hisui (because Basculegion is Water/Ghost type and also it apparently carries the souls of their fallen species with them… yeah, pretty dark). It could also explain why there isn’t any Basculin to be found in Sinnoh, since the waters could’ve been too rough for stable growth and adaptability, or human expansion pushed them out (or eaten, but then again that might bring a Basculegion problem with that).
6:32 "That's weird"
No, that's Wyrdeer
My theory was that Voltorb evolves based off the pokeball and pre vision are more wood based and the later versions are metal so that why he changes. Same with Scyther he used to evolve into a rock but as steel became more popular he evolves into a steel type
Well, Scarlet and Violet kinda throws a bit of this out with Hisuian Growlithe showing up in the DLC (although they could’ve been bred back into existence)
Scyther usually evolves into scisor using a metal coat. They probably stopped evolving into kleavor because steel is just a much more durable material than stone which I guess would still be caused by humans but whatever
Quick note: Hisui forms have been confirmed to appear in the newest installments Pokémon Scarlet & Violet, so perhaps Game Freak is going to do a complete overhaul and suddenly bring some of these lost evolutions back and pretend that they never left OR it has to do with the next games on going theme of Past and Future.
Professor Sada is a fan of Jurassic Park and brings them back from extinction?
You will most likely just be able to transfer them to PLA like you can transfer Alola forms to Galar, I don't think they're in the wild or something
Reminder that the pokemon universe has instant revival of fossils. Its possible that these forms are revived.
Pokemon Arceus Legend’s Hisui is not a past region but a future region that regress to past ways of life
Dex cut
The multiverse is a well-established concept within Pokémon to the point that different universes even have different Pokémon not native to other ones. It could just be that all of these Pokémon exclusive to this game very much are available in the future of that region it's just we did not get to see that version when we first played diamond pearl and platinum.
Man, I during the lead-up to the merch shill, he was talking about carrying an adventure's worth of gear, I was briefly expecting him to have gone into doing the tech-friendly vests I've come to love. Seriously, Team Theorist, look into Scottyvest style wearables for your next design ideas!
Question: have we considered there being secret meet up areas for pokemon like the bulbasaur episode in the original series?
I feel like there has to be places like that holding pokemon still that viewers/players havent found yet. So, do I think some of these pokemon are entirely extinct in these areas? Maybe but there is a possibility they might not be and will be discovered in later episodes/games possibly.
Like the hidden grottos from Gen 5 but bigger in more secretive areas?
Like a Pokemon lost world
@@SpaceDetectiveTravis Or the BDSP grand underground
True, there's tons of areas like this in the show. Places where only pokemon live
I can just imagine this conversation
Matpat: “you killed these Pokémon”
Devs: “No we just wanted to add Pokémon”
Matpat: “but Murde-“
Devs: “NO”
Fun fact but the French translation for black augurite inside the game is indeed black obsidian
The Scarlet/Violet DLC pretty much disproves this theory since a lot of these species although very uncommon still exist, whether in specific areas or in the terrarium (which is basically a giant nature reserve of sorts)
Here's a theory, the humans in the poke-verse were mass isekaied to the Pokemon world by Arceus, which is why the earliest humans seem unfamiliar with Pokemon in such a way that it's as if they or the Pokemon came from a different world, and why there's need for constant, ongoing research into these seemingly supernaturally powerful entities by humans, for the sake of survival.
@@SSJacksWolf Don't you be talking smack about my beloved fossil pokemon.
this could mean more ancestrial pkmn games lol
Just like Australia.
This is pretty much my head canon as well for how humans came to the pokemon world.
I’d love to see you do a Stardew valley episode. There’s a lot of theories and stuff online. I started playing a few months ago and there’s definitely deeper lore and mysteries under the surface level of the game.
Also I’ve been watching for like ten years and you guys are the best:) thank you for all you do
Stardew is a really nice game with dark secrets
I'm afraid all there is to uncover has been uncovered.
@@cheesecakelasagna no it hasn’t I saw a a something black when I was going to bus stop in my farm 😭😭
@@happytry7587 That can be explained through in-game events
yes!!
In 2023 they give you a hisuian growlithe in kitakami
Anytime I say “thats just my theory” I add “A GAAAME THEORY” and I love the bags and accessories wheN ARE YOU RELEASING THEM IN PASTEL PINK?! THEY NEED TO MATCH MY ROLLERSKATES >:(
Okay but I have a theory for one of my favorite Pokémon that I’ve been wanting to explain. I think Braviary’s hisuian form vanished because of migration and competition. Wherever Rufflet and Braviary are found, you’re almost guaranteed to find Vullaby and Mandibuzz, both Dark types. Obviously the psychic type Braviary would be at a massive disadvantage here, as it wouldn’t be able to defend itself. But because Rufflet didn’t get the psychic type until evolution, it’s likely those that relied more on they’re physical abilities thrived in the environment, and as such the psychic type started to be bred out of the species entirely, until all that remained were Normal/Flying Braviary
i would have thought the influx of johto sneasel and weavile would have doomed them give dark ice
@@marioli2463 The two don’t really have enough crossover for me to think they might be related , but maybe Johto Sneasel was the stressor that forced Braviary from their snowy territories, making them find other suitable hunting grounds
this is actually interesting to me more than it is sad because it parallels how humans caused extinctions irl like with the dodo birds.
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Contrary to popular belief, dodo birds weren't hunted to extinction, as they taste bad. What _did_ kill them was the animals humans brought with them.
@@imreallybadatnamingthings so we technically did cause their extinction 💀
@@REDRUM-hk3oh Yes, we still did. But it was indirect.
If Wyrdeer is sought out because of its beard, then wouldn't the better Situation be, to simply capture it? If it's captured, then you can take away its beard, little by little, without risking Wyrdeer to become vulnerable, due to the Lack of its beard. It wouldn't make sense to hunt pokemon down, if you can simply capture them.
Alright, not about Pokemon but..
There's a game that I want you to theorize (if not though it's alright)
This game is called Endling. And I won't give any spoilers but I will say you are a mother fox.
Now, it's seems.. Simple. But I think there might be some deeper lore hidden under all the garbage the humans throw around EVERYWHERE
Also, if you either play or watch it, warning, the ending is very very sad. (Also it's on Nintendo Switch and PS4 I believe) I love the game, and I would really enjoy a theory episode on it! Btw, you and your channels amazing, keep it up!
Easier solution: somehow they migrated, this can be easily backed up by the confirmed appearance of hisuian zorua in the paldea region, however the arcanines are the more modern version so take it as you will
hisuian zorua are migrated from unova. Unovan zroua couldn't survive in hisui and their ghosts came back for vengeance, hence it's a ghost normal type. (ghost coming back for vengence is the most common reason for them to appear.)
Hisuian Zoroark will appear in SV but that's just because it's most likely transferrable from PLA, not available in the wild or something.
"If you had decided to not be a hero. To not save the day. The region would've remained to inhospitable for civilization to truly grow and humans would've chosen to avoid it entirely."
You literally stop someone from using pokemon satan to recreate the entire universe as he deems
I think that's more important
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Yeah but WE helped Volo gather the plates. Otherwise the enraged legendary would've been defeated by the other. And peace would have remained.
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In pokemon Scarlet and Violet's new dlc there is a new version of Ursaluna known as Bloodmoon Ursaluna and it's apparently one of the last Ursaluna, if your theory of the peat blocks being used up to the point where Ursaring couldn't evolve into ursaluna anymore is correct then it's possible that the Bloodmoon Ursaluna is the final Ursaluna Period. Like compared to the fact we can find Basculegion in Kitakami the Ursaluna Beast thing is treated as a cryptid like bigfoot and likely since if has the Peat as a part of it's body it must have ran away from Hisui/Sinnoh somehow to save itself from the humans who needed to use it's Peat Block resources.
i would love to see you do a theory or two on Digimon Survive, it has three things you love, child murder, cultural references, and lots and lots of lore
Its a hard sell to say these are all extinct. Theres nowhere that says that regional varients dont have the DNA of the Hisuian variants and simply dont express those traits, as far as evolutions go its the same. Basculin and stantler still exist. Evolutions arent species, they are combat inspired genetic reworks of the same individual.
I mean, it's not like baby pokemon and later evolution didn't 'exist' just because they weren't programmed into earlier games.
Aren't the starters in the game also not from the region? They were brought in by the professor and started to react to the strange land by adapting into different final evolutions.
Typhlosion picks up on the ghostly energy from the spiritomb wisps in the area and begins channeling that.
I think you just cracked it. It is pretty obvious now that you mentioned it. Unlike all other pokemon games like Sword and Shield, X and Y, ORAS etc, there is technically NO entirely "new" pokemon in Legends Arceus. I think it was planned by Gamefreak to make all pokemons either new forms or an additional evolutions of already familar pokemon. Regional version of pokemon are just adaptation to the climate or environment so basically when that changed they in turn transformed to the current version. And like you said regarding evolutions, they are genetic reworks not different species so when Ursaring didn't feel threatned in present Sinnoh, it didn't feel the need to evolve into Ursaluna the same goes for all the others. When regions change regional forms change and they lose evolution when they feel its not required for their survival. Natural selection at its finest.
Then those evolutions are extint.
You legit just came to that conclusion in your rant 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Wanna try again
@@ashtonoak4370 But if in the future the need arises or the right circumstances are met we will definitely be able to get these forms again. Ursaluna and Kleavor for example just need an item that's rarer in the future, but if you were to find one you could still get them.
8:14 sorry to break it to you, but all the areas are a special type of land, not the Cobalt Coastline, the Cobalt Coastlands.
The Obsidian Fieldlands
The Crimson Mirelands
The Cobalt Coastlands
The Coronet Highlands
The Alabaster Icelands
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Wanna know why Sirfetch'd doesn't exist in Gen 1? Farfetch'd was used as a source of food to the point of near extinction.
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May I also direct you to Absol's entry in Emerald, stating that poachers have hunted it to near extinction, so having one in hoenn is a luxurious thing.
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3:52 I was half expecting him to transition into a sponsor or merch
Pokemon Scarlet and Violet: I’m about to end this man’s whole career
These are the types of Game Theories i love most 10/10
You gotta admit, MatPat provides sound reasoning for this theory and relates it to real world issues with how humans affect the environment significantly. I feel like this is what the creators of Pokemon were hinting at since the very beginning. Plausible theory to say the least.
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12:52 "hisui is an island, and islands are small"
greenland and australia:
Greenland is actually pretty small
Well. The Growlithe one is wrong now. He’s chillin in Scarlet and Violet now
Update (as of Teal Mask and Indigo Disk) There's one Ursaluna left, The BloodMoon Beast. White Stripe Basculin and Basculegion are still around Hisiuan Arcanine is under protection as well as Sneasel and Qwilfish/Overkwil
15:02 "if you decided to not be the hero, to not save the day..."
The world would have been obliterated by volo and giratina
Yeah but Volo follows you throughout your entire journey, if he were to do that alone it would be a death sentence so there’s no real chance he would gather everything he needs and reform the world using giratina
Oh no, Geratina will kill us all, whatever will we do?😒
Me: One Geratina < one Team Rocket Wobbufett.
10:22 I don't think they were hunted, i think the transition in eras to urbanization resulted in them changing to form we know now.
also with Wydeer, I think they were sheared like sheep especially that big beard but I will not that Wydeer wasn't that readily available in the game either. I think a change in landscape caused this. Stanler decreased in population and then they avoided evolution but smaller area as well as they used the move less and less
The amount of times matpat said arKeus made me go insane
Hey Matt. Could you do a video for the lore of Super Paper Mario? Explicitly on the end boss Shadoo? I played this again resonantly and have read into the lore a bit. Love your videos and hope you will take this into account.