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If that's the route we're going with this, we have to talk about Lapras. There is a guy who said he spent his childhood afternoons breeding and releasing Lapras back in genII because the pokedex said they were endagered. Fast forward to genVII, now it says that due to peoples efforts wild Lapras' numbers have rise to the point it is no longer in risk of extinction
I’ve seen that reddit post and it is the sweetest thing ever
debunked by scarlet and violet
scther evolve too intho Scizor
I remember that! That’s so cute!
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I’d love to see you do a Stardew valley episode. There’s a lot of theories and stuff online. I started playing a few months ago and there’s definitely deeper lore and mysteries under the surface level of the game.Also I’ve been watching for like ten years and you guys are the best:) thank you for all you do
Like-- WHAT HAPPENED TO SHANES SISTER/BROTHER AND JAS' PARENTS!?!? AND WHO ARE THOSE GRAVES IN TOWN!?!?
@Happy try that's been explained in the game already lol
Why dont we also take matpat discuss about hewgodookoo plan in Crashlands game . Where we didnt even know ( as flux ) what was hewgo top secret plan that even all 3 alien types aka tendraam from savana , 2 is like a bug alien in bawg the n 3rd is polaris which they have much more didnt know what is the top secret of hewgodookoo not just using the juicebox 3 box babies not just to open a portal and revive its own relative ( hewgo i mean ) . It is not mean to destroy the woanope but something that hewgo wants another .
@Happy try That can be explained through in-game events
I viewed Voltorb’s change was due to industrialization. Going from a moral rural environment to cities. Drawn to cities due to the transition from steam power to electric power. Thus their themeing evolved from wood to metal.
Alternatively, without the player’s intervention, humans may have simply tried to exterminate all Pokémon entirely out of fear. Arceus could have been trying to avert the worst case scenario.
Or you know preventing the destruction of the universe because someone decided to rip open a timespace rift
I think this is a really smart tactic to introduce new pokemon and explain why they're not there in the future, give them all reasons to go extinct. Very interesting!
Honestly, given that Voltorb and Electrode are deliberately meant to resemble Pokeballs to serve as traps, I think it's likely that they transitioned from an apricot design to a more metallic design in order to continue tricking trainers who had largely switched to using more modern Pokeballs (presumably since the Apricorn Pokeballs were gathered unsustainably)
@EnderCon04 It's not literally metal or wood. From Pokemon Crystal: "During the study of this Pokémon, it was discovered that its components are not found in nature."Voltorb is made out of an entirely new material.
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@Paul-Andrew Navarro or because the habitat became more docile overtime so they felt safer without needing to evolve
Could they also be spent pokeballs that have come to life
I like how he is talking about extinct PokémonWhat about every Pokémon from gen 5-9 just ARENT HERE
Perhaps Arceus had another motive. They saw that without the player's intervention, Volo, the "Pokemon Wielder" would have torn the world apart by driving Dialga/ Palkia mad. Volo himself posits that the player was sent to Hisui to prevent him from realizing his plans
The wyrdeer thing reminds me of neoteny. Neoteny is a phenomena where animals evolve to stay in their larval form. It's the reason why axolotl exist, and the best explanation for how vertebrates evolved from hemichordates
I swear nobody knows about the Wii’s PokePark, that game was my CHILDHOOD and I still often replay it, this isn’t about the video but I figured while we’re on the topic of Pokémon-
There was some evidence of conflicts like this happening in the past with Unova lore. the Four Swords are a great example, since their entries indicate there was some kind of war or uprising with pokemon fighting humans.
Maybe the God of pokemon is a God not just in one universe it sees all there's only ever one (not per universe but per the entire multiverse) and it saw obviously what happened If you weren't sent back (same with the others like Volo and the ancient hero
@SonLip sometimes the inability of ya'll to take jokes is the real joke lmao. Maybe learn how to not take things so seriously. At the end of the day we're talking about video games.
I mean, that was literally commandor kamado’s plan until the player convinced them otherwise sooo
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All of this kind of makes sense, with it paraelling our real life. My area is very mountainous, so we had cougars and mountain cats running around. We changed so much of the landscape that we no longer have any cougars and mountain cats running around.
For Voltorb and Electrode, doesn't it make more sense that the Apricorns were overharvested so humans started making pokeballs out of different materials and the Voltorbs and Electrodes just evolved (Not Pokemon Evolve) to resemble the more modern pokeballs?
I don't think so. Since Apricorns were the primary object used to start the production of Pokeballs it is reasonable that humans wanted to find a similar material that could possibly fill the absence of Apricorns once it was overharvested. And since Voltorbs and Electrodes were a living resemblance of the wood once used to make Pokeballs, they probably thought it was the material with most similarities and just decided to use it as a replacement.
To be fair, the Pokémon that went extinct had it coming. They were involved in banishing Zorua and Zoroark to the cold, condemning them to become ghost types. Arceus, furious at their sins, brought a human to bring them to extinction, allowing the Zorua and Zoroark that died to rest in peace.
I'm pretty sure it was humans that banished Zoroark and Zorua.
If anyone is curious, Basculegion and Hisui Zorua line are excluded as it was humans hunting them that allowed them to exist. When humans stopped doing such, basculin stopped evolving and Zorua/Zoroark lost their hatred of humans.
Matt's ability to turn wholesome things into a horror scenario is truly a respectable talent
Pokemon was never wholesome
It's his brand. He could do something else but this is what gets the viewers. It's plausible writing but in the end, going by actual logic...Hisuian Voltorb wasn't overhunted. It literally just found a better, more sleek and modern design. To fool trainers of the modern era.
Honestly even if he didn't you just need to look more into the games to see that they are genuinely a horror scenario XDFor example my favorite (and first) Pokémon game is Black and White.In the first game you find this abandoned house but only thanks to the second game you are able to get the whole story.This girl and her family always lived happily until one day the girl ended up in a coma/long sleep full of nightmares caused by a Pokémon.They tried using various psychic Pokémon types that handled dreams however all of them failed.Eventually they discovered that the girl was put in a long sleep by Darkrai himself (we understand that if we play Pokémon diamond where there's a city in which almost everyone talk about Darkrai causing nightmares and long sleep which always result in death) and was slowly dying, his father wanted to save her but she just wanted him to stay with her because she was about to die and she just wanted her dad with him.He left to take a plume of Cresselia which was the only way to make Darkrai disappear but he came back too late.She begged for him to stay because that was all she wanted but he couldn't hear her in the nightmare she was in, she could hear them but not see or talk.When the father came back she was dead already, consumed by Darkrai nightmares.In short, if you look into it or remove the cheerful appearance of the game you can actually see how messed up Pokémon actually is XD
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"Scyther no longer be able to evolve" scizor: am I a joke to you
MatPat: 13:19Also MatPat: Wyndeers are no longer here because of hunting.Also random thought: Scyther seems to be a eevee of some sort. You can evolve it with Metal Coat for Scizzor or that Algurite thing for another form entirely, makes you think about all the possibilities this opens for different materials.Also2, isn't hisuian voltorb hollow?
Man, I during the lead-up to the merch shill, he was talking about carrying an adventure's worth of gear, I was briefly expecting him to have gone into doing the tech-friendly vests I've come to love. Seriously, Team Theorist, look into Scottyvest style wearables for your next design ideas!
Personally, my expectation is that Arceus's plan was twofold: To send you from the future into the past to encourage humans and Pokemon to become symbiotic, but also sent you BACK to the future with the knowledge of how these Hisuian forms became extinct with the expectation that modern civilization would be able to bring them back.Peat may be gone from Sinnoh, but it can still be imported or possibly substituted with a synthetic. And today the region relies much more on renewables so its value as a possible fuel source is very much diminished.The same goes for apricorns: Gone from Sinnoh, still available in Johto, etc.Stantler may have lost its natural ability to learn the move, but a TM could be developed to teach it to captive Stantler.And so on and so forth.
Well, to be fair, the player doesn't exactly have a choice, Mat... they're given an ultimatum by the leaders of the Galaxy expedition - either help them collect pokemon and be given a home and food, or left to die in the wilderness. Cyrus' ancestor says so herself. The fact that they're from the future and have knowledge that they don't is just an advantage. XD
@ElysetheEevee It could be a subtle fourth wall break by the pokemon developers. If you know what I mean by that.
@Geert-Jan Baktawar true
@Archonagon Also, if the player isn't there, the Galaxy Survey Team might've still done everything, it'd just have taken them longer.
@Cosmic Silhouette However, they ask if you know what a Pokemon is and are given the choice to say no. So we don't actually know for fact whether the player even came from a reality that HAD Pokemon to begin with.
@thunderborn 32 This would most likely be a write-off line though, because if someone from the future goes back to the past with any knowledge of the future (or history) they would invariably end up changing it, intentionally or otherwise. Even by TRYING to mimic history to keep things evolving as they did before, you will end up not being mindful or knowledgeable about some minor but very important detail that makes the entire difference. Hence the idea behind the butterfly effect, and by removing your "memory" at the beginning of the game, Arceus ensures that you cannot change history in such a manner. Even observing phenomena occur, can change it. Especially if what you are observing is aware of you, or that it is being observed.
You need to do a theory on "the witness" it's an interesting puzzle game with skatered lore told throught the environmental storytelling, exploring the open world in this almost post apocoliptic setting, solving secret puzzle that reveal new areas and hidden videos and voice recordings. It's aminous, it's beautiful and is begging for a game theory
I actually have a funny story about Pokemon. One day in 2nd grade, my art class had a substitute. She put on a Snorlax drawing tutorial, and when it was over, I remember her words exactly. She said, “Ok class, when you get home, ask your parents if this is Pokeyman. They might of watched the show growing up.”, and I still laugh about it to this day.
And this is exaxtly why I never get tired of Pokémon. The intricacies and inspirations behind their designs are just so fascinating at times. Curious as to the reasoning behind the absense of Hisuian Typhlosion and Samurott however 🤔
I like how mattpat makes a connection to negative evolution… like how elephants are evolving to be smaller and not have tusks because of humans.
@Tokuijin would not be the first giant animal with trunks and tusks we killed into extinction because we felt like it.
Actually, it's that the bigger tusked elephants get poached, so the smaller tuskless elephants increase in numbers. One could consider poaching as a form of "natural selection", though on the account of humans being dicks.
I read the title and just subconsciously said “yay” I knew catching every single growlithe I could and shoving them into a box all their own would do something
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Well you probably were the reason Hisuian Growlithe was never seen again, you caught so many of them that they couldn't sustain their population anymore!
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Some of the pokemon are just new evolutions and something I considered is that somehow the evolution information got lost on them. So we take for granted that they can't evolve further because they have no information on how. Evolution is a thought I had because the Alola region had all the information we needed to receive all our missing eevees but we didn't.
They live in a timeline where you can literally turn mass into energy and back again (storing pokemon in pokeballs, to include god-tier pokemon). I'm guessing they can find ways to re-develop pretty much any compound or material at will. So long as you're going down this road, it would be incredibly easy for humanity of the pokemon world to "re-discover" extinct pokemon forms that require said materials to evolve. Where the fun stops is things like the secondary forms of pokemon like wooden Voltorbs and Electrodes. Short of samples from the past combined with morally questionable breeding practices, you're not gonna see those again in the wild.
... no.Literally 100% fanfiction
@Awesomeness_man not exactly as you need metal ore not rock to make metal so it could be like steel or something similar to auteur augrite but maybe artificially made to do the same thing intentionally or not
@Phoenix Ali metal coat and the augurite are literally just old a new versions of each other rock=old metal=new
The games to tend to do that with Fossil Pokemon so why not?
Excluding the possibility of humans going extinct, the growth of civilization and influence is inevitable. A human society that reaches the threshold to challenge pokemon while also still fearing them is one that is more likely to exterminate first and make peace later. It's understandable too, we all just want to survive. Yes, some species were lost in the early days before humans were secure enough in their own needs to worry about the needs of other species. But consider how many more species of pokemon survived because of early symbiotic bonds, and all the subspecies that came about once humans cared for their fellow sentient creatures.
My friend told me to ask you this in these exact words. "Hello I have seen all of your videos not an exaggeration. I just saw the new power wash simulator vids on steam and I think one of them would make a great theory. It stars off with spooky vibes and says the game is hiding "dirty secrets" please take this idea into consideration. Thank you."
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They already did that actually
With the voltorbs in a previous video it was mentioned that they may be disguising themselves as pokeballs to hunt humans or something similar and they may have evolved to look like current pokeballs to continue this. I think the video was called Pokémon are hunting us or something along those lines and it was from game theory
Just curious, MatPat, what parts of Hisui line up with Sinnoh's Mystery Zones? Is the Mystery Zone hiding protected Pokémon? (The Mystery Zone is an out of bounds part of gen 4, but it also looks like a lot of trees if using the Sinnoh map you used in this video.)
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It's not a theory it's a GAME theory
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I mean, I don't know if I'd call Basculegion extinct. Basculin is still a thing, and it's the same species by real-world standards, though I'm not quite sure how explicit Pokémon professors are with that. Same thing with Wyrdeer
Mat, while I love your videos, as a former biology graduate I gotta say something: it is wrong to say, at least when comparing to real life, that the animals/pokemons "evolved to have/do something", that kind of statement implies a will or desire behind evolution, which is a lamarckist view at best and creationist view at worst, neither being ok. For instant with the elephants, you could have said "individuals with smaller or no tusks were able to survive the new evolutionary pressure and pass their traits, and the species as a whole is becoming tuskless."
it could also be argued that extreme human harvesting and usage of metals (combined with hunting sliggoo/goodra for easy access) caused them to stop forming shells...
I always wondered how you make a Pokeball cause it seems almost too unreal to shrink a creature and place it inside a capsule and take it out again without causing any harm
I don’t know, I personally think that the voltorbs and electodes evolved not from being hunted, but for camouflage. As the trees were harvested, they began to lose more and more places to hide, they evolved to look more like the thing the trees were used for, the pokeballs. To me, it really wouldn’t make much sense for them to evolve with pokeballs if they were being hunted because they looked the same. That is why it would make more sense for them to evolve with the pokeballs so that they could camouflage with them (which we have seen them do in the anime)
Considering how most of Sinnoh are forest, I don't think they ran out of trees.
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And in the games too, I remember being ambushed by them in firered
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I think it would be cool if there was like a DLC or something where you have to work to conserve these pokemon and then they show up in future games.Also if I remember right Hisuian Zoroark showed up in one of the Scarlet/Violet trailers.
Actually, the starter's evolutions in this game (IE Decidueye, Typhlosion and Samurott) were Pokemon that Professor Laventon admits he bought here from another region, IE they're not native, they only have hisuian forms because it is mentioned that something effected their final evolutions from what they were supposed to be
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Great Theory and it makes a lot of sense which makes me believe it to be entirely possible, but unfortunately, the multiverse is canon in Pokemon, so you could also explain away with a parallel universe.
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For Decidueye specifically, his nature cloak is based on the Deciduous Forest, which changes with the seasons, it's likely Hisuian Decidueye is just a form taken when evolving in the colder climate
Sadly this is one of those that seems yo just be explained by "the game just came out later" as Hisuian Zoroark was confirmed in Scarlet and Violet. The others may come back too at some point so... its a bit early to claim abaolute extintion.Still cool, I love Pokemon Lore
I’m so glad you pronounce Arceus correctly. The official pronunciation is AR-kee-iss :)
I think the one issue you have is with Hisuian Forms. Because they didn’t “die” out, they evolved into the new current forms today. Like liligant’s are still alive, just no longer fighting type.
most of these regional formes were brought about because of hisui's harsh environment. it says so in multiple dex entries. chances are most of these pokemon either migrated away and adapted to new regions or they just lost their power becausd there was no need for it anymore
Why dinosaurs at Esau’s extinct
Dinosaurs are extinct, right?So… why chicken
But the Lilligants were native to Hisui but not in Sinnoh. Plus, we're talking evolution via natural selection. While the species as a whole didn't die out, the Hisuian varients most likely did die and the survivors were just those with more beneficial traits
Same for Zoroark but for them its because they no longer really hate humans, this pokemons is litteraly a dark sasuke alive but now they are cooler
These are the types of Game Theories i love most 10/10
Ya know mat pats point about Arceus bringing us to Hisui raises a question of why would he doom pokemons overall biodiversity and species, perhaps he fears another Arceus coming about to challenge or flat out replace him 🤔
I like how the game is very thoughtful of the reality.
Minor complaint here - Rowlett (and by extension its evolved forms) are native to Alola so Hisuian Decidueye is probably an example of speciation rather than extinction. It likely evolved into its grass/fighting form as a result of the environmental pressures of Hisui and is the first instance of its kind. You could probably say the same for Hisuian Samurott and various of the other regional forms discussed in this game, although the extinction argument does apply to the majority of species in this video. Typhlosion is a weird case, and it's possible Hisui was the the original form of the Pokemon because ties to Spiritomb before it naturally migrated to the connecting Johto region where it multiplied and became the dominant form (Bird Keeper Toby has a great theory on this).
@omnizoom, there's an endangered species of ground ground dwelling owl indigenous to Hawaii called the "pueo owl" but rowlet and its evolved forms are most likely based on _tyto alba_ , which ISN'T native to Hawaii. Worth noting is that rowlet is arboreal. If the Pokémon was based on pueo owl, it'd be more terrestrial.
@Tokuijin actually are owls not extinct in Hawaii ? So wouldn’t it have to be an introduced species?
Actually, their presence in this game and region could imply that they were initially native to Hisui but got introduced to Alola (there are a lot of Pokemon that AREN'T native to Alola) or Rowlet (and its evolved forms) used to exist in Hisui but were rendered extinct. Worth noting is that Rowlet and its evolved forms, looks-wise, are based off of the barn owl, which is the MOST widespread owl species there is.
I think oshawott and Rowlett being native is still possible , the starters are just rare Pokémon usually and their home region is just where they were first recorded , I.e charmanders are native to galar but since oak did the whole Pokédex thing with actual proper numbers as a “national” dex
Question: have we considered there being secret meet up areas for pokemon like the bulbasaur episode in the original series?I feel like there has to be places like that holding pokemon still that viewers/players havent found yet. So, do I think some of these pokemon are entirely extinct in these areas? Maybe but there is a possibility they might not be and will be discovered in later episodes/games possibly.
It Would be amazing if matpat started his own ARG I mean instead of him basically solving this stuff himself we have to solve it pushing our limits as theorists
...I mean if I remember correctly, he has in the past.
My theory was that Voltorb evolves based off the pokeball and pre vision are more wood based and the later versions are metal so that why he changes. Same with Scyther he used to evolve into a rock but as steel became more popular he evolves into a steel type
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I can’t wait for Scarlet/Violet to completely steamroll this and bring those ancient Pokémon back for fun.
Well, they didn’t, the hisuian are going to be accessible from Pokemon home
I think the Pokemon are already confirmed that they will come back in the two new games xD
To be fair we've been able to bring back extinct pokemon since Gen 1. Just look at Omanyte, Omistar, Kabuto, Kabutops, and Aerodactyl.
We already will get hisuian zoroa and zoroark
Atleast the games theme being past and future it'll make sense.
I did decimate the wilds in Legends Arceus by catching a lot of Pokemon on my 3rd play though on the first map by catching 100s of Pokemon and having my trainer go up 3 levels before fighting Kleavor on the first map so MatPat aint wrong there.
I started watching this an hour ago...my sister interrupted it with her screams cause she got a splinter in her foot...it took an hour to get it out cause she wad so terrified...I ended up getting it out within 3 seconds in the end...
I thought that voltorb and electrode just metamorphosed into looking like the more advanced pokeballs because it would somehow be more advantageous.
Makes enough sense for the most part, but you're definitely conflating theory with fact. Gen 9 will probably give us more insight into the survival status of the Pokemon, and if they really were driven to extinction. It could be as solid as you say, with the implications being a purposeful message of environmentalism. Or it could be simpler and flimsier, that these are simply new designs they didn't come up with before, and just weren't around because they weren't invented yet. In either case, more lore will hopefully provide some answers on the intention.
Consider this too for the voltorbs: in an effort to keep the last members of the species alive, HUMANS modified them to be metal in some way - we've done things like chopping off horns to protect species before, so I can totally see a group doing that to keep them alive - and it clearly worked.
I have to say tho, that getting your hands on enough apricorns to get the trees to vanish from the region is almost impossible unless every person catches thousands of Pokémon. Not to mention that there are fields at wgich apricorns can be planted. Overall the whole theory is pretty farfetched in the first place and doesn't make much sense when it comes to certain points.
i agree but idk about chopping off horns to keep them alive... if anything we do that and end up killing them. maybe chopping off sheeps' tails so they dont get infections
The item Metal coat exists later in gen 2+.It's likely that some voltorbs/electrodes were coated by it and became the "metal" pokemon we know of since gen 1?
Or they really are just sentient Pokeballs...
@R - G - C Gene editing perhaps? We see species restored from fossils, not much of a stretch
This almost makes me feel as though we literally extinct multiple Pokémon.
Furthermore, it might have been better to say, 'the elephants started to evolve traits that make their skin more resilient to tranquilizers etc' because that's more in line with what you mean with past and present voltorbs
25 pokemon missing from the past to the future.Matpat: trainers killed them off!Me: uhhh mat maybe you should go back and watch your old pokemon videos they didn't die they evolved to not need these things anymore as you have said before in old videos trainer's have a profound effect on evolution on pokemon in the world at large and pokemon can evolve a lot faster than humans so 140 years of evolution causing this isn't outside the realm of possibility....but then again you can't get clicks and views on that can you -_-
I'm glad you specified Pokémon being used for competitive sport. It's not animal pit fighting, because the Pokémon want to fight. They want to fight to better themselves, like martial artists. These battles are basically instinctual martial arts tournaments.
But there are Pokémon don’t want to fight as well Abra being an example of this as well as the Legendary “dogs”
@Heaven that's fair. It's one of those things that just kind of stuck with me is all. Also, as another comment pointed out, it was apparently a younger sibling who took over the gym, but the father did return to take care of the children.
@Jasmine I see, it was at the start of the anime so I couldn’t really remember it, and it was just a few lines of dialogue so I can’t blame myself for forgetting it
but we assume that they all want to fight, what if they don't?
@Madness Arcade I love how all of your evidence is explicitly from Ash Ketchum.There are multiple instances in the anime, and even MORE in the games, of bad trainers forcing pokemon into fights that they don't want to be in.And we don't know if they're smarter than animals in real life, because we don't get to put them under the tests that we get to do in real life.Also, again, it doesn't matter the battle is consensual with the pokemon. It is still animals being told to fight one another, which is what animal fighting is about.
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I seen in the comments and I’ll back it up in my own comment, I wanna see a Stardew Valley theory! The lore in that game is so crazy deep that I’d literally pay Mattpatt to make it!!
The multiverse is a well-established concept within Pokémon to the point that different universes even have different Pokémon not native to other ones. It could just be that all of these Pokémon exclusive to this game very much are available in the future of that region it's just we did not get to see that version when we first played diamond pearl and platinum.
Matpat! I've got a game that has hit my theory senses into overdrive. Full of massive amounts of hidden lore, hard-to-find newspapers from the before times, deep dark secrets, and soo much. I have my own theories here, but at this point, there is so much stuff that I alone have found that I've decided to bring it to the attention of a professional.The game is called Raft, it's set (I think) in the apocalyptic future after efforts to repair global warming led to an even greater catastrophe.
A decent few of the pokemon still have a chance of coming back, like missing items or forgotten moves, so imagine if gen 10 would get the player to slowly help the extinct pokmon to go back, such as finding enough scrap or a full piece of ore to help scyther evolve. Of course some of them are fine with where they are like voltorb but I think it would be a neat idea nonetheless!
@Temperans Extinct means no more anywhere if there is Scarlet there nit Extinct which was the point of his video as well as him saying there is no way to fix it his words you legit just said why his whole video is wrong XD
@BLO0DY SMILES or maybe, and this is just maybe, those games already did all the work of fixing that. Specially for the pokemon who are not evolving due to forgetting a move or lacking the right item.That is not even considering that an animal/pokemon might be extint in one region but not in the other. As seen with how each region has a completely different list of pokemon.
@BLO0DY SMILES Whatever, dude. XD
Being we see alot of these pokemon in S&V in the wild there not extinct. Mat is just ignoring facts because he wanted to make a pokemon video to jump on the pokemon train like he said at the start of the video
Oh my isn’t this another interesting video you have made Matt which I feel like this may have inspiration spiraling out for me now to perhaps make a separate one for a certain creature’s territory being somewhat demolished during a new creature who’s arising in this unknown land 😊😅 Wellll I have explained a😂bi haven’t I but enough to know what I’m exactly talking about since one day I’m hoping to show it on my channel when reaching to a bit more experience with making videos and such until then I will be working on the story more 😊but thanks very much Matt for another great Video and perhaps giving me more motivation in my goal to work on my story that is unworldly beyondblue 😊👌
nice theory,however there's one thing you might have forgotten aboutyou said syther can now longer evolve in the present day, but that's not entirily true syther can still evolve, just not into the same pokemon it used to involve into, it now evolves into scizzors
There's one last eternally missing pokemon tho, that is absolutely unaffected by these changes, due to being a legendary:Enamorus
See I always thought it was a parallel dimension. A mirror dimension from the one of the original universe and the character from the normal universe slipped into the new one. That's also why there a small differences.
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I think Ursaluna might just have been a trait that wasn’t useful enough for Ursaring to keep. Honestly, the Pearl Clan wardens might have been the only ones who could be bothered to evolve an Ursaring. Ursaring are already apex predators, so why would they bother to find a peat block and keep it until a full moon? Assuming they’re even smart enough to understand their own evolution requirements, not only would they be wasting energy to search for the item instead of say, searching for food, they would also be losing all the benefits of being bipedal for a power boost they didn’t need in the first place.
plus the added ground typing they get upon evolution might actually be a disadvantage since it’s not like they lose their normal typing either. What do they get with a ground typing? A slightly stronger high horsepower that Ursaring could learn regardless, taking less damage from rock type attacks and an immunity to electric? All for a weakness to water, grass and ice while still retaining their fighting weakness? When you’ve got that many weaknesses to that many things it sounds like evolving into Ursaluna is actually a disadvantage.
Also the Gen 4 games don’t show the sky
@Hangs TheMighty 1, the pokemon in the mystery dungeon world are not the same as the ones in the world of the main line games. If they were as intelligent as the ones that have a full society, they wouldn’t be taking orders from humans or living like animals in the wild.2, I didn’t say they weren’t capable of it if they wanted to, I said that, in the wild, there’s no real reason they *would* want to, again, as evidenced by the fact that you don’t encounter any Ursaluna in the wild while Ursaring are plentiful.3, while yes, pokemon do have individual personalities, ones like Team Rocket’s Meowth or Sir Aaron’s Lucario that posses human level intelligence are very few and very far betweenAnd 4, Palina, a fellow Pearl Clan warden, tells the player that the clan at large is critical of her because she *wasn’t* forcing the Growlithe descended from the hero’s Arcanine to train harder, evolve, and become the Lord Pokemon, so there’s no reason to assume they wouldn’t be the same way about making sure the descendant of the hero’s Ursaluna also became an Ursaluna.
There are several Pokémon who need an object to evolve and if you have played any of the Pokémon Dungeon games, you can see how smart and able Pokémon are and the things that they use on themselves in order to even survive. (Like they have their own special items for health, culture, currency and carry such things as revival seeds)So I would say if an Ursaring wanted to evolve to Ursaluna, they could do so if they desired to do that, like a Pokémon can also decide not to evolve at all (I mean Pokémon on the wild btw.).If you want Pokémon to do battle they would have to be smart enough to know what you are telling them. Shoot I wouldn't go this route but on the anime Team Rocket's Meowth has a whole personality. And any Movie that focuses on the Pokémon only also shows the complicated lives they lead and how capable they are.And I highly doubt the Clans were evolving the Pokémon, seeing how both were very against taking the will away from Pokémon, they let Pokémon choose if they wanted to be a companion or not. And we're even offended by the player at first.
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so, how about Lilligant and Braviary upon losing their respective dual typing? Lilligant being low numbers and not enough males to breed? Braviary become too different to keep it's psychic typing?
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Maybe that's why in legends Arceus lots of stanlers just run away after seeing you because they choose to flee than fight
The thing is that apricorns are still used for pokeballs though, so I would highly doubt that Sinnoh would import all of its apricorns. it's honestly more likely that it adapted to the new Pokéballs and changed its design. it's more likely that hisuian Voltorb is an ancestor then a new species
@The ghost of the Uchiha well if they ran out and hunted voltorbs, then the extinction of those voltorbs wouldn't allow any more pokeballs to be made, and as op mentioned, apricorns are still used in pokeballs in modern games, so it's really unlikely for the video to be correct on that account
I think you misunderstood what he said
something I noticed In arceus it's much easier to get shinies so maybe that has something to play in lore
A few things feel wrong here Alternatively I think wyrdeer just didn't need the fur as temperatures risedAnd quilfish got weaker not because of hunting but because they weren't able to swim in the harsher currents that were being occupied by boats so they moved and assimilated with other quilfish
Ok but what about Pokémon go? I started playing again recently and two of the Pokémons you have said are wiped out are in there. I’d love to see your ideas as to why. Is it cannon? If it is then how to did they come back? Did we bring them back by collecting them? It can’t be from the past since James and Jessie are in it. Thoughts???
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I always thought it was evolution since they didn't need to be as aggressive 'cause we befriended them. As for the traveling Pokemon like Wyrdeer and Basuliegon we just got better equipment like cars and boats.
Not all Wyrdeer and Basuliegons are traveling pokemon. Just the two you get. You can evolve a ton of them and you arent riding them.
@TayJ100 I didn't know about them before I wrote this, But I don't know.
Aren't the pokemon in Scarlet and Violet cars and vehicles
@William Brown Depends, humans can force evolution to go a certain way with selective breeding. Naturally occurring evolution doesn't have a goal, it is indeed purely random mutations passing down successfully, mankind just so happen to understand it enough to make it go the way it wants.
@William Brown i mean yes but alot of evolution has stemmed from environmental impact and survival so can't just exclude that by saying its all random.
The character model is so beautiful. Especially the costumes, I really like the characters wearing clothes.
Hey I feel like there could be some potential lore hidden in the paldea region of scarlet and violet just a suggestion but also a recommended one
Alternate theory for voltorb and electrode, its long been a theory that they are haunters that possessed pokeballs and since they are designed to contain Pokémon were unable to get out and lost their ghost typing, the future pokeballs are made of metal so obviously they would look different post possession
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The thing is, they probably wouldn’t be extinct if Gamefreak did what they’ve done before and just allowed transfers between the games.If legends Arceus came out before they dropped the pokeball in SWSD they’d probably still exist in the modern day even if it was just via transfer
Let's talk about Kamado's reaction to the cataclysmic events in game. He throws reason and logic out the door and goes full warmonger. I think Arceus preemptively brought us back to save either us or (more likely) Pokémon from being COMPLETELY wiped out in the region. Studies show that in the last 40 years, humans have been responsible for the extinction of 60% of species. Compare that to the 10% of lost Pokémon from over 140 years. I'd say Arceus made the right call. And who knows, Wydeer and the other evos could come back in another region. Admittedly there is no hope for the species wide ones (Growlithe, Voltorb, etc.)
Growlithe living in a coastland with a 4x weakness to water is not a desirable trait
@Jyoster 64 ah yeah. If we (the player) hadn't come along then Volo would have gone unopposed.
It's not just Kamado's potential actions that put the region at risk. Sure, his irrational thinking fueled by fear would've to lead to a large population of Pokemon going extinct.But there's also the case of Volo, who threatened to wipe out the entire universe had he not been stopped.
my theory is that its to ensure the creation of arceus; a god making sure its existence is secure
Another theory for some pokemon like Wyrdeer, since the way we battle changed the secret to their evolution was lost since we don't use strong and agile styles anymore. This could also work in tandem to the game theory.
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MatPat, you should do a Book Theory channel. I feel like you could get a lot of lore out of most books. 😀
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I mean in another entry in the games "Stantler's magnificent antlers were traded at high prices as works of art. As a result, this Pokémon was hunted close to extinction by those who were after the priceless antlers." ORAS. While yes it couldve been because of the fur I think it was more because of the horns too
Going off spiritombs pokedex entry I always assumed legends arceus was based 500 years before gen 4 considering we was the original person to combine the 104 souls that make spiritomb