[1080p] [60fps] Bombardier GTO/IGBT-VVVF! Mitsubishi IGBT-VVVF?? Listen to All SkyTrain Motors!
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- čas přidán 2. 02. 2021
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We are just doing sort of a technical review of the SkyTrain fleet in this video.
Old Buzzer Blog post explaining the "Shifting" noise on the Mk1s!
web.archive.org/web/2018072212...
Look at this E233 Sample in Japan! Don't they sound similar?
• 【時速120km!?】E233系7000番台...
The pic of the E233 at the end:
upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi... - Auta a dopravní prostředky
That linear motor sounds so peculiar, like a sportscar upshifting or something
Nothing I enjoy more than the sounds of the old trains "shifting gears"... Or the little final growl after stopping lol
love the mk2 motors (biased tristate area resident)
be honest. 1:01 is what you think of when you hear skytrain
took my words
Yes, the mark 1s are superior.
or Scarborough Rt lol
RIP line 3 though, was planning on riding it in November 2023 but that never happened
There's something about those echo-ey announcements on the Canada line👌
The final one sounds like Mitsubishi, but you're not wrong about Hitachi. The motor was designed by Mitsubishi and made by Hitachi.
2:55 yup. Sounds like Kelana Jaya Line 4 coach trains but it doesn’t go high pitch since our trains have different motors
Nice video of every types of SkyTrain cars in Vancouver and whay they sound like when arriving and departing!! It feels like I'm in Vancouver!!
Before, I lived in Tokyo and I thought the Canada lines motor is same as JR e233series.
I used to love riding these as a kid
The gen 2 bombardier IGBT VVVF sounds like a mitsubishi SiC VVVF
Note: The Innovia trains are actually capable of 100kph but operations restrict it to 80,
And same thing for the Rotem trains, up to 90kph but operations at 80
I don't think innovia trains are designed for speeds greater than 50 mph (80 kph).
@@WCE107 Beijing Capital Airport Express would beg to differ
@@jmstransit true, but most others I think are specifically designed for operations at 80 kph.
The MKIII sounds like it has a SiC vvvf to it for some reason, or it might be another sound of IGBT
Actually the MK2 trains from 2001 (1100-1200 series) did not use Bombardier propulsion. The propulsion systems are actually Toshiba IGBT-VVVF Linear Propulsion as Bombardier did not manufacture their own AC electric linear systems at the time (this is on Toshiba's transportation product site). It would not be until the MK2 (1300-1400 series) that Bombardier's own MITRAC system would be used. The MK3 also use Bombardier MITRAC propulsion.
The Canada line trains use propulsion from Mitsubishi Electric.
I knew something was up when I heard Tsukuba TX-1000 series trains in Tokyo... thanks, I will difinitely have a look at this!
How do you know the Canada line trains use propulsion from Mitsubishi Electric? (We should all remember that the Canada line uses Mitsubishi not Hitachi; Juan just happens to get the 2 companies mixed up)
@@TheSearleFamily123 I found that Mitsubishi Electric is the propulsion through the actual Hyundai-Rotem train specs I found on a project proposal that the MBTA used for their Red/Orange Line trains through CNR/CRRC.
@@tomwujek4867 And do you remember the link for that?
@@TheSearleFamily123 Page 32 has the Canada Line reference from Hyundai-Rotem on the link below:
bc (dot) mbta (dot) com/uploadedfiles/Business_Center/Bidding_and_Solicitations/Hyundai%20Part%208%20-%20Section%20B-5,%20Tab%20I (dot) 3%20(Past%20Performance) (dot) pdf
Forgot to mention Kyiv EK-M cars which are also powered by this motor and they sound closest to Canada Line
This is so Adorable
I think all the MK1s have the exact same sound. The only difference I know about is the door opening/closing is the same for the 1985 and 1991 versions, but different from the 1995 version. I also think the train noise in the interior is different for the 1995 version.
Yeah, the 1995 train’s different lol idk why
They all look a little diff but sound the same to me. Even doors
@@Themapleleaforever they all use the same type of traction motors.
@@WCE107 hence the same sound
The different sound of the 700-800 series was more noticeable in the 2000s/early 2010s; much less so today
I feel like the last train has the Mitsubishi IGBT VVVF, not hitachi. If it was Hitachi then it either would end a note when stop or make a gto like sound when stopped
Yeah I knew the sound, i just happened to get the 2 companies mixed up
Yeah, it's easy to confuse Mitsubishi and Hitachi. We should remember that the Canada line uses Mitsubishi IGBT-VVVF. I'm guessing it is because Mitsubishi is part of the consortium.
"UTDC/Ansaldo Trasporti" for the Mk1 series ;)
I love Bombardier Mark 3 so much
I remember the red displays!
The Canada Line ones sound kind of like the Thomson East Coast Line in Singapore!
Was Mitsubishi part of the consortium for the Canada line Rotem EMU?
Mitsubishi provided the propulsion, HVAC and vehicle monitoring.
@@tomwujek4867 And is it IGBT-VVVF?
@@TheSearleFamily123 The Canada Line is IGBT-VVVF for the propulsion inverters
@@tomwujek4867 Does the source you provided actually say so?
@@TheSearleFamily123 GTO propulsion was phased out by Mitsubishi well before the Canada Line project. The LIRR M-7 trains built in the late 1990's/early 2000's were using IGBT-VVVF by that point (propulsion also by Mitsubishi) and the MkII SkyTrain Bombardier built trains before the Canada Line trains were designed were spec'd with Toshiba IGBT-VVVF Linear Induction motors. BC Transit has been using IGBT-VVVF ever since. I will attempt to find additional sources. However, other channels and Wikipedia are also noting it is IGBT-VVVF.
Do you have a video of SkyTrains opening doors on both sides at Commercial-Broadway?
Are you sure these can go max 80 what does the speedometer look like on all 3 gens on mk1s I saw the white mk2s have 100 max and mk3s is digital
I also want to see the newer mk2s please
max speed on the spedometer doesn't always correlate what the actual max speed is during operation.
The only ones with a digital speedometer are the mk3s.
Try downloading a a speedometer app like Digihud and run it while the train is in motion operation.
@@jmstransit I never seen into the control box for a 2nd gen mk2 and all 3 gens of a mk1 can I please see videos for those
Don't you think the SkyTrain stations need platform screen doors or glass panels at least? Because all of the rolling stock looks driverless. It would make sense to not have screen doors or panels if the trains vary in make and size.
Not at least until 2027 due to train length and door variances
@@jmstransit On the Canada Line it's definitely possible now because all trains are identical.
Are you on Twitter?
Not as of now - right now it's waiting for a bigger follower base before opening an account for the channel.
There is an instagram account though, @jmstransit
How do you know that the UTDC ICTS Mark 1 uses GTO-VVVF?
There was an old old post on the buzzer blog made by the admins on the site. Will follow up after a bit of archival digging.
web.archive.org/web/20180722125444/buzzer.translink.ca/2010/02/the-night-shift-on-the-skytrain-guideway/
It's very deep in the comments section.
Excellent research and very interesting info. I have always wondered about the Mark 1 unique starting sounds. I suspected the reason for the metallic rumble at Edmonds and a couple other stations as handoffs. The headlights and break light also cycle during this time. GTO system seems to have held up pretty well and was light years ahead of the c-trains 1940 chopper control system used here in Calagry, though Calgary transit has converted their o,d trains to solid state to improve reliability.
3:55
Anyone know the station? 2:02
Gateway
How do you know the Canada line uses Mitsubishi IGBT-VVVF? (We should remember that the Canada line uses Mitsubishi not Hitachi)
*SYSTEM BLOWER*
Mark I sounds like Scarborough rt and Detroit ppl mover
Same/similar model of train built by the same company.
@@williamhuang8309 I see
I really wished the next generation of BCRTC #SkyTrain cars were from #Hitachi, #Kawasaki, #itochu, #kinkisharyo, etc. I really wanna hear on BCRTC's #SkyTrain network a LIM-based IGBT-VVVF from #MHIGroup, #Hitachi, #Kawasaki, etc. If no Japanese manufacturers (or even any manufacturer from a free-world country such as #India or South Korea) without any connection to #Bombardier or #Alstom were one of the finalists beside #Bombardier/#Alstom for the next-gen BCRTC #SkyTrain cars, then I understand #TransLink's decision to go with #Bombardier/#Alstom.
In fact seven of the world's Linear induction metro lines are in Japan, spread across six cities
I believe the Mark 1 UTDC LIM motors were build at Beaver electric In Burnaby at the time. I am not sure by whose design. Presumable UTDC LiM design. Definitely reliable as was the GTO control system. I suspect that tech is obsolete and may eventually get difficult to repair.
Next time try to write km/h instead of "Kph" if you mean about kilometres per hour.