That's the charm of her personality 😁 People warned me, "Dude don't watch the last season. Do yourself a favor. Just don't do it. Consider 7 was the last season. Forget it." I being the edgy man child went ahead. Even reading these interviews of Emilia and Nikolaj and so on. Lol. I regret watching it but it was inevitable.
@@lucasimmons075 yeah. Exactly. But none of us were aware of the shitshow it would become after 4th. At times I would wonder towards the end of season 5th that few things didn't make sense. But didn't know the books were ended to source from then. I see new enthusiasts wanting to start GoT and I feel pity.
how George says "coulda been 11, 13 seasons" makes me so angry. The fact we could have still been enjoying this today and that s8 wouldnt exist in the state its in today blows my mind.
GRRM is a hack who can't figure what to write in 11 years, went so far as to steal fan theories from forums. its only natural the quality will drop massively with even hackier adaptations.
He knew it needed more time man they should of just handed the show to different show runners if they wanted to leave. It just ruins all of George rr martins work and also the actors and all the behind the scenes even d and d ruined their own work for no reason because they wanted out 😂😂 pathetic
@@gregordrizzlewing7339 to be fair, George refusing to just focus on The Winds of Winter is a big reason why this happened. They were never supposed to catch the books. That one is on GRRM. (Who still hasn't finished the first book of TWO remaining, three years after the show ended.)
@@dreamkrusherjay2869 just shows that without other peoples creative input half these show runners and producers ain’t got a clue what they doing. Could of tied up loose ends and gone out with a bang but they fucked it I don’t blame grr Martin at all
@@dreamkrusherjay2869 They were also not supposed to disregard huge parts of the books they had. Book 4 and 5 are equivalent in size to books 2 and 3. Those had been adapted into three seasons. Book 4 and 5 were stuffed into ONE season (which already had a decent amount of show only story lines, so it's more like 3/4 of a season).
Ian McElhinney, who played Barristan Selmy, actually wrote them a letter because they were about to give his character a bullshit ending. Of course, they didn't listen to him either.
@@johnzackarias11 They actually commented on this in an interview and joked it made them want to kill him more. While I don’t think they were actually being serious, it does speak to the fact that they seemed to disregard the suggestions of others and kinda did as they liked.
@@josephsherbyit’s pretty clear they didn’t understand the book or the world. Ser Barristan is arguably one of the best and most famous warriors to live. Giving a character like that an end like that is just pathetic. It’s clear they wanted to simplify the storyline (which isn’t always bad and GRRM should definitely do this), he needed a much more dignified end.
Nathalie is a smaller and somewhat unknown actor compared to Emilia so I’m pretty sure it had to do with the fact D&D actually threading actors with law suits and contracts and Nathalie is probably doesn’t want problems like the rest of the cast
@@Machoman50ta they’re not going to get a lawsuit for being honest. Truth is a complete defence to liable. It would just hurt their reputation for future work. Who wants to hire an actor who will shit on them publicly if they think their writing wasn’t perfect.
Nathalie wanted to be part of the spin off. She said that in another interview about D&D. Nothing about law suits. Just giving the current „boss“ good vibes to stay relevant
@Kraftrichter you mean sucking up to the bosses so you can get hired for the reboot? even tho their work is trash? the person who said she’s a smaller actor who doesn’t want trouble fits in for both their comment and yours but you still disagree
It’s hard not to take it personal and hate them knowing D&D almost single handedly botched the entire show… They didn’t want to hire more writers. They didn’t want to pass the show to someone else for more seasons. They didn’t want to stick to George’s story notes. They didn’t want to follow through on all the foreshadowing… for any character. D&Ds ambitions and lack of writing chops are what killed this show.
And the one "foreshadowing", if I can even call it that way, that they did follow on resulted in one of the most mortifying examples of character assassination know to mankind. Hell, Daenerys isn't even my favorite character, that goes to Tywin Lannister, but she was a strong character. Besides, one thing to note - Foreshadowing is an indication of future event from a smaller event from the past, not significant when first introduced. Foreshadowing IS NOT reasoning for future event to occur. The reasoning gets delegated to other scenes and discussion on character. If you find yourself using small piece of foreshadowing to solely excuse an event in the future, you likely became a hack writer who tries to get a payoff you want but cannot have. Other then that, dumb and dumber forgot or ignored contextual explanation for the scenes they tried to pass off as "foreshadowing". Hell, and episode itself had a montage of quotes that'd even indicate it... Method itself is one of the slimiest imaginable.
There's also the problem of Lack of source material...they could've just postponed S06-08 until GRRM finished his books...but that would probably take another couple of years.
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 Unfortunately that's not how Hollywood works, you piss off a big name, and they can take years off of your career out of spite.
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 - It's not necessarily *good* but at the very least it's an attempt to save their future. Hollywood doesn't like being shit-talked, even on blatantly bad products
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 Mmm because still contractual obligations... Personal opinions are limited on a period of time, basically they have to say all positive things for mkt or publicity purposes, or say it isnt as good as people would expect (like most of the cast did nevertheless) in their own way without taking down the expectations. But since cast were loved, people still watched the season even if they say it was 🤢 from the beginning. Same happened with StarWars sequels. Mark Hamill did the same. It happened like a year or 2 after the heat of 7,8,9 that the cast finally speak their mind about what they thought about it. Before that, it was "the best thin ever happened to star wars".
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 It's to preserve their career. Actors live or die on whether they get invited to cast in another film. If an actor has a reputation for publicly blaming the directors, no director would want to hire them. Actors are not there to write the script or comment on the result, they are there to act.
My friend said she stopped at season 6. She forgot there was 7 and 8. And since I told her it’s a bit messy, she said she’ll just let that be the ending for her. Daenerys with her full force fleet, 2 powerful Houses, and 3 full grown Dragons. Kinda an epic ending if you’d ask me.
I did the same I try watch ses 7 but I stopped it was too much cringe I could not handle it after that i rewatched ses 1 to 6 multiple times and if you don’t watch 7 and 8 it’s the best show ever . Because of the show and LML and Preston jacobs I read the books and it’s the best thing ever . Because I am not really a book reader but this book series is soooo good amazing
@@kreterakete who should’ve zigzag? Rickon Stark? I personally think that it would be useless. Ramsey Bolton was a known great archer. He hunts in the forest, and we saw also, that he could do it while on the horse. The kid was running on an open field, so even if he “zigzag” he could still hit him.
4:44 the way he's talking so passionately and then has to pause to regulate what he's going to say about D&D will never not be hilarious to me. "Because of course they're *eyebrow shots up* grEAT screenwriters..."
Conleth Hill's barely audible, dismissive tooth sucking, as if he was just reminded of something bad tasting in his mouth that he was trying to forget and Liam Cunningham immediately picking up on it and laughing while Bran does damage control is great.
One has to really respect the GoT cast of actors: even in the age of "your contract says you have to be dishonest with the public", most of these celebrities were SO attached to their characters and the grand story they were a part of, and so dedicated to treating the loyal fans right, that they basically all publicly shat all over D&D's garbagefire despite the risk to their careers.
I think what Nikolai says at around the 4 minute mark is rather brilliant/poignant, as a reflection on acting: Dave and Dan were SO set on subverting expectations for cheap shock points, but...as an ACTOR, how are you supposed to act under those conditions? How can you believably inhabit a role when you've been told there's still no real plans in terms of what your character is supposed to be developing TOWARDS? Like, YEAH, that WOULD make playing the character believably understandably REALLY HARD 😆.
All these years later and I'm still mad about it. And as good as House of the Dragon currently is, just knowing that it ends up in Season 8 of GoT makes me so much less enthusiastic about seeing where the story is going.
House of Dragons itself already has an end of the story, so I'm not too concerned about them fucking it up, because they literally have the guidelines this time
Everyone wondering why it went bad. The author of the books wrote everything 1-4, the directors failed so hard. I don’t blame emelia one bit, her whole character said she would never do what her father did and become a tyrant. She did nothing of it leading up and then bam, finally gets to kings landing and loses it?
I mean, book readers will know that there's a lot more foreshadowing and subtext with Dany, with the implication that she is literally part-dragon, e.g. blood of the dragon, and juggles her draconic nature in addition to her higher self. You can't really blame a dragon for being a dragon, though. They're not evil; they are what they are. The fact that Dany IS more than that is what makes it interesting. She's definitely going to do dark things/act as a conqueror in some context, but there's going to be serious internal conflict, which is what makes it interesting. It's not going to be stupid, ridiculous, unrepentant genocide for no reasons with almost no sensical character development. Given D&D supposedly had knowledge/plans of Dany unravelling a bit, even from the early seasons, the whole situation makes no sense with regards to how they built (and destroyed) her.
@@michaelafischer6177 There's even foreshadowing in the show but you need to build on that. You can't expect people to take the few isolated instances in the show where she goes overboard (and those moments were always grey rather than outright evil) and ignore that the vast majority of her actions are good. But D&D wanted it to be a twist so they lay none of the necessary groundwork and just point to those few instances of Danaerys oversteps as proof that we should accept her turning into Timur.
After watching Season 8 again and knowing what’s coming, it’s easier to spot the places where they did foreshadow things. Tyrion naming Bran King came completely out of the blue for me at the time, but Tyrion sat with Bran in Winterfell and asked to hear his story. As for Dany’s “fall” it kinda makes sense, it was just too rushed and felt too awkward. People like Olena Tyrell were pushing her to do monstrous things back in Season 7 but that only happened in one conversation. Dany’s snap came because she went from being the Breaker of Chains and beloved in Essos to being feared and ostracized in Westeros, and over the course of her wars, she lost everyone that grounded her. She stopped trusting Tyrion and Varys, Jorah died, Missandei died, 2 of her Dragons died, her Dothraki were “wiped out” but then came back for some reason, and of course she fell in love with Jon but he couldn’t handle the whole aunt-nephew thing and pushed her away. She was isolated and alone. Her last friends were Grey Worm and Drogon, not exactly what I’d call level-headed advisors. TBH, her fall makes sense when written out, but it REALLY NEEDED another Season or two to drive home her isolation and eventual snap.
Normally the problem is that the responsible people drag out a series so much that it gets but, just to make money. - But the Game of Thrones ones thought "how about we ruin it by making it super short and rushed for no reason?"... :-( Everyone knows they would've gotten the money to make a season 9 and all having 10 episodes. And the actors would have loved it. And HBO would have still gotten loads of money. Makes all no sense!
I think D&D are mos def to blame: Season 1 _A Game of Thrones_ (700 pages) Season 2 _A Clash of Kings_ (770 pages) Season 3 _A Storm of Swords_ (1000/2 pages) Season 4 _A Storm of Swords_ (1000/2 pages) Season 5 _A Feast for Crows_ *AND* _A Dance with Dragons_ *AND* winging it from there on out... (1800+ pages) They made money for HBO, they could've even taken more time, a season every 2 years, not each year. It's totally normal. It's incompetency. :-( Like Season 5 in 2016 instead of 2015, season 6 in 2018, 7 in 2020, 8 in 2022, 9 in 2024. Leaves also enough room for GRRM, enough room for the actors' other projects etc. (But rather they expanded the budget for pompous explosions...)
D&D don't know how to write. 4 more seasons would be 4 more terrible seasons. Remember, the half of GoT where they start departing from the books and have to create stories (s5-8) is bad, simple as that. We were distracted by the glowing fantasy element for a while, but when they decided to supress it it became obvious that there is no substance in this story. Everything after that amazing end of s4 should be deleted from existence.
They cut the series short because they thought that they were doing a Star Wars movie but they were dropped from that because everyone hated what they did to GOT.
This is probably the best that could have happened, rather than D&D wasting our time with more seasons. They haven't done anything since then because no one wants to hire them. And they actually bribed HBO from the beginning to give them the GoT show. They completely bombed the first pilot episode and wasted 10 million dollars. They bribed HBO execs to give them a second chance because if they don't then people will know that you hired a couple of incompetent fools. They're are slimy gits who don't deserve the reigns of power in film.
I get that D&D worked for about a decade on the show and maybe thought 'we actually also wanna do different stuff' and i fully support that desire. However the solution is not to speed through. They could've tried to negotiate a change of writers and slowly phase themselves out of the project and then leave it to new writers who would've had settled into the Game of Thrones routine alongside GRRM's guidance. It could've worked. But I still don't quite understand why they decided to rush through the last bit, they had a theoretically fail-proof IP on their hands. GOT was a cultural phenomenon that even I as someone who didnt watch it couldn't escape. So to see all that time, money, effort, cast&crew etc. + already established success go to waste seems so unbelievable.
Because especially Benioff is a vain bastard. I mean, they both are assholes, but he is worse than Weiss. They didn't want anyone else get the fame for beimg the guys behind GoT, especially not when those people would be the ones doing the finale. I get wjy they'd do that, but the fact that they didn't make it a quality ending, is the offensive part here. Ending it was fine, but not the way they did it and not for those reasons.
Dick and Dom thought the shows success was because of them. They got big headed. They would have never just handed it off to actual good writers. I mean, George RR Martin wanted to come back and do a couple more seasons after the 8th. But D&D were blatantly not going to let that happen, they genuinly believed Game Of Thrones was theirs now lmao
You have to keep in mind the kind of dangerous game they're playing. Their careers are all at stake because if they hate on the season, Hollywood and/or directors lose confidence, if they praise it, fans lose confidence.
Now that it has been a few years I really want to know what the actors really thought about season 7 and 8. Are they as disappointed with what D & D did with the series or not. I also want to know why HBO didn't fire D & D, especially if both HBO and Martin wanted more seasons.
The cast is probably under some NDA type stuff where they can’t bad mouth the show publicly. It also doesn’t look professional and could harm their career.
I can’t imagine HBO wouldn’t have fired them and gotten new people in their place had HBO been able. I think their contract allowed them exclusive rights to make the series should they so desire.
it fustrates me so much thinking of what we could've had... if there was 10 + seasons... the show would literally still be airing right now :/ and all the build up and character development wouldve been so amazing to see...
Why are so many people praising Natalie for "being professional"? Why are you using "professional" as a euphemism for lying to the audience? Why is that the more praiseworthy action? Shouldn't telling the truth be the more praiseworthy action?
George's quote in there was interesting. The internet was able to "read" the foreshadowing so the show runners felt they needed change midstream, leaving many plot holes and dead ends. Should have just let the internet write the show.
Someone needs to remake the last few seasons( different directors this time) it would be massive. If they can flog a dead horse with marvel why not the most popular show In history that EVERYONE hated the ending of. Why have it end at all keep it going and they all have jobs for years to come and if the actors need a break sometimes have their character leave for a while. INSANE the amount of potential this series had and they completely wrecked it.
The actors have aged now and be very hard to get them back I’ve always said it will be remade in years to come just as everything else is only we hopefully won’t be saying “it’s not as good as the original “
@@Idur88 Yeah, I could see another series being green-lit in a decade or so once there is possibly more source material to work with and D&Ds adaptation has kinda faded from memory. I have a hard time believing it will get the same huge budget or talent attached as the OG Thrones tho. Honestly, I think you should be careful what you wish for cause I could easily see the next ASoIaF adaptation being more like the Netflix’s Witcher, or the Rings of Power than the original seasons of Gambo
I would have liked to see Daenerys become a good queen for Westeros, but at THE VERY LAST seconds of the whole series, she has this one disturbing line that hint to her family's madness, and then it goes black.
There was a point in the series where the actors actually had a better understanding of the story may have been able to produce a better ending themselves 😅
hilarious how the game of thrones show was like the biggest influencial thing since it aired and the last season killed EVERY MENTION of it literally sending it into obscurity
The fact that most of them insinuated it was bad tells a lot. Keep in mind they worked with these people for 10 years, they were like a family and they could not just throw them under the bus on air for a presenter they hardly knew. Add to that the fact that no actor should badmouth previous colleagues as it will hurt their career in the future. By insinuating you can tell they think it was bad.
“Ya the 6-7 seasons of material we ripped of from R.R Martin wasn’t good enough, we didn’t want to do the obvious. So we just made some shit up and ignored all our actors. Aren’t we geniuses?”
Yeh and if any the actors didn’t want to so what🤷♂️Carry on like GOT killed off the main character in season 1 a couple characters don’t mean shit in something like game of thrones where there’s diff story lines everywhere they fucked it so bad I think ppl in a high school English class cud write a better ending
@2:04. It’s so obvious they changed it last minute too. If I remember correctly, after S7, the internet was guessing the entire storyline for the last season and someone, somewhere must have cracked it so instead of just continuing, clearly switched everything up last minute. The constant bad attempts at ‘shock factor’ really backs that up 😞
What hurts the most is how 2 people could ruin the work of thousands. I mean, George wanted to go 13 seasons. The world was in it, HBO prepared to throw all the money they had at it, the actors had invested years on building the characters, hundreds of extremely talented people made the costumes and the sets, the music, the cgi. This could have been the best show of all time. Instead me, as a long time hard core got fan, can’t even watch it anymore at all, because it just hurts me to think of how it ended. I am so sorry for all people involved.❤️
George is also to blame. Not to defend what D&D ended up doing but they never singed up to write the story themselfe. It was a book adaptation and George failed to deliver the source material which they were supposed to work with.
This Peoble are ACTORS some of the best on the Planet that get paid for the Show and they could not hide how disgusting they saw Season 8. Shows again HOW bad it was.
Biggest mistake they ever made was trying to make this a show before the book had ended. George saw that and was like "YAY! NOW, I DON'T HAVE TO FINIISH THEM! I'LL LET THE BURDEN OF BLAME FALL ON SOMEONE ELSE!"
4:37 He's really angry about how they dumped his character arc like trash, dumb and dumber ruined this show so bad. Jamie deserves a redemption ending, a red dead redemption
If you are really happy with the way a major show in which you worked til end has ended you would be so happy to be answering the questions like, "How does it end?", "What was season finale for you like?" The usual exciting responses would be, "Man... Oh you wait!! You just wait. Man I cannot wait to be talking about it." "Ohoho...ooo... You are going to be amazed!" But no. Almost each cast member is like, "umm.. well..." Lol.
"We hear you, but we don't care." I think that makes people even angrier. Like if you TRIED and failed, or used your resources and failed... That would be one thing. They essentially drove a truck off a bridge, looking and smiling smugly at the passenger (fans and actors), on the way off the bridge. GAWD even 5 years later that memory infuriates me.
George is part of why. TV doesn’t work the same as books. 13+ seasons is too long for the expenses the show had and plus think about the actors as well.
I think it would've been cool to have 11-13 seasons, however this couldn't be done, if Martin doesn't finish the damnnn boooks. Or at least put him on the writing team so he can give source material.
This shit is genius , watching them be truthful yet subtle yet not subtle straight up saying disappointing then epic then “one of those “ chuckles, pure gold.
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Peter Dinklage talking about how D&D are great writers felt like a hostage video
Same energy as "Joffrey is my king"
Sarcasm was turned up to 150% on that one.
@@DeLawrence97 yes! The sarcasm was STRONG 🤣.
Well this aged like milk
" you people are in for it" lol
Emilia never held back people just assumed she was joking
That's the charm of her personality 😁
People warned me, "Dude don't watch the last season. Do yourself a favor. Just don't do it. Consider 7 was the last season. Forget it." I being the edgy man child went ahead. Even reading these interviews of Emilia and Nikolaj and so on. Lol. I regret watching it but it was inevitable.
@@DhavalShukla you were warned ,thats what u get for trying to be grown lol , they ruined it for us all
@@DhavalShukla honestly stop at 4 is better advice. No Dorne or Euron and the characters still made sense
@@lucasimmons075 yeah. Exactly. But none of us were aware of the shitshow it would become after 4th. At times I would wonder towards the end of season 5th that few things didn't make sense. But didn't know the books were ended to source from then.
I see new enthusiasts wanting to start GoT and I feel pity.
@@DhavalShukla tbh it might not have been peak GoT but I loved season 5 and 6 as well, we don't speak about the rest
Damn, when Martin says we could’ve had 11-12 seasons.. man that makes me feel sad.
Would have made things more fleshed out
@@oleandre_7816 soooo much more
Yea, but Martin hasn't even finished Winds of Winter yet, and the showrunner lacks source materials...
Same. I wish they would’ve listened to GRRM.
@@TARS20 even without winds of winter it’s still enough material for up to 13 seasons. D&D just rushed the ending and disappointed everyone.
Did Emilia really say that the script made her want to vomit, lmao the balls
@Black Liberalman brother you can't be serious.
No.... she mimed it.
Why not? It's over anyway. And who would like to work for Dumb and Dumber? They work for Netflix now and do sh*t
@@Marcin_z_bloku_obok you mean work for Netflix and don't do shit, right? XD
@@Carsu12 Well... no matter what they do. It always lead to the shit
2:46 - Eddard Stark saying Joffrey Baratheon is the one true heir to the Iron Throne.
The Dink throws major shade lol : )
Honestly I think it’s more “I’m loyal to King Joffrey my one true love” but that works too
Lmao
Fuck I spilled my drink reading that
rofl. It made me think of Sansa speaking about Joffrey but I guess Ned fits perfectly lol
Kit was right. Disappointing was the best one word to describe it. The best two words to describe it were epically disappointing.
Kit was hilarious. He was honest and then was like, “Shit, am I going to get in trouble for that? Ah who the fuck cares, everyone knows it.”
how George says "coulda been 11, 13 seasons" makes me so angry. The fact we could have still been enjoying this today and that s8 wouldnt exist in the state its in today blows my mind.
GRRM is a hack who can't figure what to write in 11 years, went so far as to steal fan theories from forums. its only natural the quality will drop massively with even hackier adaptations.
He knew it needed more time man they should of just handed the show to different show runners if they wanted to leave. It just ruins all of George rr martins work and also the actors and all the behind the scenes even d and d ruined their own work for no reason because they wanted out 😂😂 pathetic
@@gregordrizzlewing7339 to be fair, George refusing to just focus on The Winds of Winter is a big reason why this happened.
They were never supposed to catch the books. That one is on GRRM. (Who still hasn't finished the first book of TWO remaining, three years after the show ended.)
@@dreamkrusherjay2869 just shows that without other peoples creative input half these show runners and producers ain’t got a clue what they doing. Could of tied up loose ends and gone out with a bang but they fucked it I don’t blame grr Martin at all
@@dreamkrusherjay2869 They were also not supposed to disregard huge parts of the books they had.
Book 4 and 5 are equivalent in size to books 2 and 3. Those had been adapted into three seasons. Book 4 and 5 were stuffed into ONE season (which already had a decent amount of show only story lines, so it's more like 3/4 of a season).
2:53 Tyrion looking at the gun pointed at him.
The HBO Snipers 😳
I haven't actually laughed at a comment in a while, thank you
more like a crossbow
He's sarcastic, just saying the expected line ,and probably he doesn't really give a f anyway
I totally lost it IRL thank you hahaha
Glad to know that Jaime's actor tried to save the role. One of my favorite redemption storylines botched!
Ian McElhinney, who played Barristan Selmy, actually wrote them a letter because they were about to give his character a bullshit ending. Of course, they didn't listen to him either.
@@johnzackarias11 They actually commented on this in an interview and joked it made them want to kill him more. While I don’t think they were actually being serious, it does speak to the fact that they seemed to disregard the suggestions of others and kinda did as they liked.
@@josephsherby Yeah I saw that too. What a bunch of clowns.
@@josephsherbyit’s pretty clear they didn’t understand the book or the world. Ser Barristan is arguably one of the best and most famous warriors to live. Giving a character like that an end like that is just pathetic. It’s clear they wanted to simplify the storyline (which isn’t always bad and GRRM should definitely do this), he needed a much more dignified end.
Jaime does not have a redemption arc.
Nathalie is so profesional lol because Emilia did not hide the truth one bit
Nathalie is a smaller and somewhat unknown actor compared to Emilia so I’m pretty sure it had to do with the fact D&D actually threading actors with law suits and contracts and Nathalie is probably doesn’t want problems like the rest of the cast
@@Machoman50ta they’re not going to get a lawsuit for being honest. Truth is a complete defence to liable. It would just hurt their reputation for future work. Who wants to hire an actor who will shit on them publicly if they think their writing wasn’t perfect.
@@jordan3400 you must be new yo Hollywood
Nathalie wanted to be part of the spin off.
She said that in another interview about D&D. Nothing about law suits. Just giving the current „boss“ good vibes to stay relevant
@Kraftrichter you mean sucking up to the bosses so you can get hired for the reboot? even tho their work is trash? the person who said she’s a smaller actor who doesn’t want trouble fits in for both their comment and yours but you still disagree
You should take the warnings when all your cast is disappointed...
THIS
probably would be fired for opposing group think mentality of management
they are not worried about pleasing anyone but the shareholders
2:48 Peter is getting paid to say that. Those writers are the worse ever
Yes, I don't see any other explanation to what Peter said
it felt like he was saying the with very dry sarcasm, specially the ' you people are in for it. '
@@ZShowman well all of them are being paid for it.
Nah. it sounds like Norm Macdonalds Amy Schumer joke.
Hes totally being sarcastic haha
Tony *"Stark",* Iron Man surprisingly flying in and killing Daenerys Targaryen would have “subvert expectations”.
tony weren't a stark for no reason, while were at it uncle benjin should have transformed into the hulk. That's how we fix season 8
It’s hard not to take it personal and hate them knowing D&D almost single handedly botched the entire show…
They didn’t want to hire more writers.
They didn’t want to pass the show to someone else for more seasons.
They didn’t want to stick to George’s story notes.
They didn’t want to follow through on all the foreshadowing… for any character.
D&Ds ambitions and lack of writing chops are what killed this show.
And the one "foreshadowing", if I can even call it that way, that they did follow on resulted in one of the most mortifying examples of character assassination know to mankind. Hell, Daenerys isn't even my favorite character, that goes to Tywin Lannister, but she was a strong character.
Besides, one thing to note - Foreshadowing is an indication of future event from a smaller event from the past, not significant when first introduced. Foreshadowing IS NOT reasoning for future event to occur. The reasoning gets delegated to other scenes and discussion on character. If you find yourself using small piece of foreshadowing to solely excuse an event in the future, you likely became a hack writer who tries to get a payoff you want but cannot have.
Other then that, dumb and dumber forgot or ignored contextual explanation for the scenes they tried to pass off as "foreshadowing".
Hell, and episode itself had a montage of quotes that'd even indicate it... Method itself is one of the slimiest imaginable.
They didn't listen to their actors...
If I saw them I'd have to try very hard to not kick them both in the nuts
@@seeker296 That'd be fine if they were competent
There's also the problem of Lack of source material...they could've just postponed S06-08 until GRRM finished his books...but that would probably take another couple of years.
0:58 I love the damage control Nathalie has to do there, like she is babysitting her kids "no no we can't say those words children"
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 Unfortunately that's not how Hollywood works, you piss off a big name, and they can take years off of your career out of spite.
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 - It's not necessarily *good* but at the very least it's an attempt to save their future. Hollywood doesn't like being shit-talked, even on blatantly bad products
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 Mmm because still contractual obligations... Personal opinions are limited on a period of time, basically they have to say all positive things for mkt or publicity purposes, or say it isnt as good as people would expect (like most of the cast did nevertheless) in their own way without taking down the expectations. But since cast were loved, people still watched the season even if they say it was 🤢 from the beginning.
Same happened with StarWars sequels. Mark Hamill did the same. It happened like a year or 2 after the heat of 7,8,9 that the cast finally speak their mind about what they thought about it. Before that, it was "the best thin ever happened to star wars".
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 It was just funny, man. It wasn't a good thing, it was just enjoyable to see the dynamic.
@LibtardsStillCant SilenceMe20 It's to preserve their career. Actors live or die on whether they get invited to cast in another film. If an actor has a reputation for publicly blaming the directors, no director would want to hire them. Actors are not there to write the script or comment on the result, they are there to act.
My friend said she stopped at season 6. She forgot there was 7 and 8.
And since I told her it’s a bit messy, she said she’ll just let that be the ending for her.
Daenerys with her full force fleet, 2 powerful Houses, and 3 full grown Dragons.
Kinda an epic ending if you’d ask me.
I did the same I try watch ses 7 but I stopped it was too much cringe I could not handle it after that i rewatched ses 1 to 6 multiple times and if you don’t watch 7 and 8 it’s the best show ever . Because of the show and LML and Preston jacobs I read the books and it’s the best thing ever . Because I am not really a book reader but this book series is soooo good amazing
They should have just left it up to interpretation there, lol. We could all just assume Dany wins yay hooray the end
I stopped exactly at hodor’s episode and didn’t look back :p was nice
He should have zigzagged to fool da arrow. That’s where it went south.
@@kreterakete who should’ve zigzag? Rickon Stark?
I personally think that it would be useless. Ramsey Bolton was a known great archer. He hunts in the forest, and we saw also, that he could do it while on the horse.
The kid was running on an open field, so even if he “zigzag” he could still hit him.
5:04 This sums up perfectly the mindset of the writers when they wrote season 8.
Guys it’s hard to make out but there is like a red dot, kinda like some type of laser moving around Peters forehead. Weird 🤷♂️
Yes I see it too!
😂😂
someone pls explain this joke lol
@@nunyabidness6046 They’re holding Peter at gunpoint to say good things abt S8.
“Best season ever”
oh god the sarcasm
4:44 the way he's talking so passionately and then has to pause to regulate what he's going to say about D&D will never not be hilarious to me. "Because of course they're *eyebrow shots up* grEAT screenwriters..."
D&D were the real winter that came to freeze millions of fans' hearts.
Yeah but it was Martin who whored his work in the first place
Gotta love Kit Harrington realizing he's done an interview oopsie, fixing it and then realizing he's not sure if he wanted to fix that.
I would have loved if it cut from Peter emotionlessly praising d&d to Sansa saying Joffrey is her beloved
I wouldn't call it emotionless lol. There's definitely an aura of seething resentment in his tone of voice and subsequent eye roll
Emilia is funny. She seems to find it impossible to put up a front or lie.
She pretended to vomit! It's hilarious.
Honestly, I don't care about professionalism here. S7 and 8 was absolute shit and I won't blame any actor at GOT for admitting that.
I don't think anyone can fairly blame the cast - they were really dropped in it
@@jameshetherington1 Oh, 100% obviously. They were just doing their job.
The studio would though...
Emilia Clarke will alweys be muh kween. I love how she doesn’t hold back.
Holy fuck the repressed frustration in the end from Nikolaj 😭😭😭😭😭😭
The clip at 1:04 is a classic example of an entire dialogue being exchanged with a single facial gesture and eye contact. Fucking hilarious
“Your character was botched more than any other character go on.”
Conleth Hill's barely audible, dismissive tooth sucking, as if he was just reminded of something bad tasting in his mouth that he was trying to forget and Liam Cunningham immediately picking up on it and laughing while Bran does damage control is great.
One has to really respect the GoT cast of actors: even in the age of "your contract says you have to be dishonest with the public", most of these celebrities were SO attached to their characters and the grand story they were a part of, and so dedicated to treating the loyal fans right, that they basically all publicly shat all over D&D's garbagefire despite the risk to their careers.
Emilia and Conleth are the GOATs tho, just straight up admitted how much the ending sucked without sarcasm
I think what Nikolai says at around the 4 minute mark is rather brilliant/poignant, as a reflection on acting: Dave and Dan were SO set on subverting expectations for cheap shock points, but...as an ACTOR, how are you supposed to act under those conditions? How can you believably inhabit a role when you've been told there's still no real plans in terms of what your character is supposed to be developing TOWARDS? Like, YEAH, that WOULD make playing the character believably understandably REALLY HARD 😆.
Are dave and dan jewosh?
All these years later and I'm still mad about it. And as good as House of the Dragon currently is, just knowing that it ends up in Season 8 of GoT makes me so much less enthusiastic about seeing where the story is going.
House of Dragons itself already has an end of the story, so I'm not too concerned about them fucking it up, because they literally have the guidelines this time
Just think it ends with the books ending, if it ever arrives.
No need to. Fire and Blood is already finished.
Is there no way we could petition HBO to remake seasons 7-8 and continue onto season 12?
@@connorandthesource5385 Why, force the actors especially like Kit Harington to overwork for our own satisfaction? It's done. Leave the actors alone
Everyone wondering why it went bad. The author of the books wrote everything 1-4, the directors failed so hard. I don’t blame emelia one bit, her whole character said she would never do what her father did and become a tyrant. She did nothing of it leading up and then bam, finally gets to kings landing and loses it?
I mean, book readers will know that there's a lot more foreshadowing and subtext with Dany, with the implication that she is literally part-dragon, e.g. blood of the dragon, and juggles her draconic nature in addition to her higher self. You can't really blame a dragon for being a dragon, though. They're not evil; they are what they are. The fact that Dany IS more than that is what makes it interesting. She's definitely going to do dark things/act as a conqueror in some context, but there's going to be serious internal conflict, which is what makes it interesting. It's not going to be stupid, ridiculous, unrepentant genocide for no reasons with almost no sensical character development. Given D&D supposedly had knowledge/plans of Dany unravelling a bit, even from the early seasons, the whole situation makes no sense with regards to how they built (and destroyed) her.
@@michaelafischer6177 There's even foreshadowing in the show but you need to build on that. You can't expect people to take the few isolated instances in the show where she goes overboard (and those moments were always grey rather than outright evil) and ignore that the vast majority of her actions are good. But D&D wanted it to be a twist so they lay none of the necessary groundwork and just point to those few instances of Danaerys oversteps as proof that we should accept her turning into Timur.
After watching Season 8 again and knowing what’s coming, it’s easier to spot the places where they did foreshadow things. Tyrion naming Bran King came completely out of the blue for me at the time, but Tyrion sat with Bran in Winterfell and asked to hear his story. As for Dany’s “fall” it kinda makes sense, it was just too rushed and felt too awkward. People like Olena Tyrell were pushing her to do monstrous things back in Season 7 but that only happened in one conversation. Dany’s snap came because she went from being the Breaker of Chains and beloved in Essos to being feared and ostracized in Westeros, and over the course of her wars, she lost everyone that grounded her. She stopped trusting Tyrion and Varys, Jorah died, Missandei died, 2 of her Dragons died, her Dothraki were “wiped out” but then came back for some reason, and of course she fell in love with Jon but he couldn’t handle the whole aunt-nephew thing and pushed her away. She was isolated and alone. Her last friends were Grey Worm and Drogon, not exactly what I’d call level-headed advisors. TBH, her fall makes sense when written out, but it REALLY NEEDED another Season or two to drive home her isolation and eventual snap.
No one has ever blamed her...
I mean you see the foreshadowing when she watches her brother burn to death....
Normally the problem is that the responsible people drag out a series so much that it gets but, just to make money. - But the Game of Thrones ones thought "how about we ruin it by making it super short and rushed for no reason?"... :-(
Everyone knows they would've gotten the money to make a season 9 and all having 10 episodes. And the actors would have loved it. And HBO would have still gotten loads of money. Makes all no sense!
I think D&D are mos def to blame:
Season 1 _A Game of Thrones_ (700 pages)
Season 2 _A Clash of Kings_ (770 pages)
Season 3 _A Storm of Swords_ (1000/2 pages)
Season 4 _A Storm of Swords_ (1000/2 pages)
Season 5 _A Feast for Crows_ *AND* _A Dance with Dragons_ *AND* winging it from there on out... (1800+ pages)
They made money for HBO, they could've even taken more time, a season every 2 years, not each year. It's totally normal. It's incompetency. :-( Like Season 5 in 2016 instead of 2015, season 6 in 2018, 7 in 2020, 8 in 2022, 9 in 2024. Leaves also enough room for GRRM, enough room for the actors' other projects etc. (But rather they expanded the budget for pompous explosions...)
D&D don't know how to write. 4 more seasons would be 4 more terrible seasons. Remember, the half of GoT where they start departing from the books and have to create stories (s5-8) is bad, simple as that. We were distracted by the glowing fantasy element for a while, but when they decided to supress it it became obvious that there is no substance in this story. Everything after that amazing end of s4 should be deleted from existence.
The writers were just too brilliant for that
They cut the series short because they thought that they were doing a Star Wars movie but they were dropped from that because everyone hated what they did to GOT.
This is probably the best that could have happened, rather than D&D wasting our time with more seasons. They haven't done anything since then because no one wants to hire them. And they actually bribed HBO from the beginning to give them the GoT show. They completely bombed the first pilot episode and wasted 10 million dollars. They bribed HBO execs to give them a second chance because if they don't then people will know that you hired a couple of incompetent fools. They're are slimy gits who don't deserve the reigns of power in film.
I get that D&D worked for about a decade on the show and maybe thought 'we actually also wanna do different stuff' and i fully support that desire. However the solution is not to speed through. They could've tried to negotiate a change of writers and slowly phase themselves out of the project and then leave it to new writers who would've had settled into the Game of Thrones routine alongside GRRM's guidance. It could've worked. But I still don't quite understand why they decided to rush through the last bit, they had a theoretically fail-proof IP on their hands. GOT was a cultural phenomenon that even I as someone who didnt watch it couldn't escape. So to see all that time, money, effort, cast&crew etc. + already established success go to waste seems so unbelievable.
Because especially Benioff is a vain bastard. I mean, they both are assholes, but he is worse than Weiss. They didn't want anyone else get the fame for beimg the guys behind GoT, especially not when those people would be the ones doing the finale. I get wjy they'd do that, but the fact that they didn't make it a quality ending, is the offensive part here. Ending it was fine, but not the way they did it and not for those reasons.
Dick and Dom thought the shows success was because of them. They got big headed. They would have never just handed it off to actual good writers. I mean, George RR Martin wanted to come back and do a couple more seasons after the 8th. But D&D were blatantly not going to let that happen, they genuinly believed Game Of Thrones was theirs now lmao
You have to keep in mind the kind of dangerous game they're playing. Their careers are all at stake because if they hate on the season, Hollywood and/or directors lose confidence, if they praise it, fans lose confidence.
He was looking for ‘epically disappointing!.
It’s hilarious. D&D prematurely abandoned Game of Thrones for a Star Wars gig. Then Star Wars fires them for making such crappy final GoT seasons.
Nathalie really tried to keep Emilia in check. Bless her.
Now that it has been a few years I really want to know what the actors really thought about season 7 and 8. Are they as disappointed with what D & D did with the series or not. I also want to know why HBO didn't fire D & D, especially if both HBO and Martin wanted more seasons.
they created the show. maybe they still trusted them to deliver
The cast is probably under some NDA type stuff where they can’t bad mouth the show publicly. It also doesn’t look professional and could harm their career.
I can’t imagine HBO wouldn’t have fired them and gotten new people in their place had HBO been able. I think their contract allowed them exclusive rights to make the series should they so desire.
@@josephsherby you probably right
Haven’t you seen the video?
1:04 this one is definitely the funniest knowing how vocal conleth was about his dislike for the writing 😂😂
I love how Emilia Clarke basically said the final season was dogshit and people thought she was messing with us.
'There are no better writers in television than David and Dan'
- Vince Gilligan left the chat🙄
bravo vince
I truly loved all the great epic battles with The "Golden Company". Especially The Giant Elephant's Battles. Too bad that all took place "Off Screen".
it fustrates me so much thinking of what we could've had... if there was 10 + seasons... the show would literally still be airing right now :/ and all the build up and character development wouldve been so amazing to see...
"We don't care." What sad sacks.
Peter dinklage looking dead into the camera and saying the writers are the best is absolutely awesome
Season 8 was so bad I immediately canceled my hbo subscription with no desire to watch any repeats or future GoT shows...
I didn't even finish it...I couldn't bring myself to finish the show. I still haven't gone back.
After season 8 I was disappointed so I went back to the best series on HBO for the 100th time probably Band Of Brothers.
@@Lisztomaniac1022 The Pacific is pretty close if not as good. Chernobyl is also awesome.
Why’d u buy hbo just for got the fuck
Don't watch HotD, it has zero interesting characters and simply has a non-compelling plot.
disappointing... ehm... epic.
Why are so many people praising Natalie for "being professional"? Why are you using "professional" as a euphemism for lying to the audience? Why is that the more praiseworthy action? Shouldn't telling the truth be the more praiseworthy action?
I believe they're not allowed by contract to speak badly of the show, so she was actually worried.
BREACH OF PROFESSIONAL CONTRACT, CHILD. They work with more than just writers, it's a studio that had them upheld to confidentiality clauses.
George's quote in there was interesting. The internet was able to "read" the foreshadowing so the show runners felt they needed change midstream, leaving many plot holes and dead ends. Should have just let the internet write the show.
But I dont get the clip from the resurrection. I think even in the books there is foreshadowing that Jon will not die forever yet?
0:41 ...I also had the same feeling ...
of vomiting
Kit's the realest dude ever.
Imagine a season being so bad that it killed the love people had for the entire series
The fact that the actors weren't told what direction their characters were going in says it all.
Nikolaj fought tooth and nail and they still rebuffed him, God damn it
0:43 Her smile after that, she gives off massive troll vibes and I love it
Dumb and dumber are the worst producers ever
They ruined game of thrones for us
I demand a remaster with nothing to do with those stupid producers
Just imagine if Jon Snow ended up claiming his right to the throne. Either alongside Danaerys or after she dies in some way.
Someone needs to remake the last few seasons( different directors this time) it would be massive. If they can flog a dead horse with marvel why not the most popular show In history that EVERYONE hated the ending of. Why have it end at all keep it going and they all have jobs for years to come and if the actors need a break sometimes have their character leave for a while. INSANE the amount of potential this series had and they completely wrecked it.
The actors have aged now and be very hard to get them back I’ve always said it will be remade in years to come just as everything else is only we hopefully won’t be saying “it’s not as good as the original “
Which is impossible to be worse given what the original was last 2 seasons
@@Idur88 Yeah, I could see another series being green-lit in a decade or so once there is possibly more source material to work with and D&Ds adaptation has kinda faded from memory. I have a hard time believing it will get the same huge budget or talent attached as the OG Thrones tho. Honestly, I think you should be careful what you wish for cause I could easily see the next ASoIaF adaptation being more like the Netflix’s Witcher, or the Rings of Power than the original seasons of Gambo
Davos to Varys there lol he knows how pissed he was with how they handled his character
It's funny how even the actors didnt like the final season, yet there are still clowns who are defending it and calling it good lol.
I would have liked to see Daenerys become a good queen for Westeros, but at THE VERY LAST seconds of the whole series, she has this one disturbing line that hint to her family's madness, and then it goes black.
"Greyjoys, Martells, etc have all rebelled"
"Ill burn them all"
Cut to black
7 hells, it has been 3 years!? I can still feel my heartache.
There was a point in the series where the actors actually had a better understanding of the story may have been able to produce a better ending themselves 😅
Man the last season sucks but the actors are top tier i love every single one of them and that's rare in television
Sad that one of the greatest tv shows ever is now just becoming remembered for its last awful 8th season.
hilarious how the game of thrones show was like the biggest influencial thing since it aired and the last season killed EVERY MENTION of it
literally sending it into obscurity
The fact that most of them insinuated it was bad tells a lot. Keep in mind they worked with these people for 10 years, they were like a family and they could not just throw them under the bus on air for a presenter they hardly knew. Add to that the fact that no actor should badmouth previous colleagues as it will hurt their career in the future. By insinuating you can tell they think it was bad.
I really adore Emilia and Kit's honesty. hats off.
“Ya the 6-7 seasons of material we ripped of from R.R Martin wasn’t good enough, we didn’t want to do the obvious. So we just made some shit up and ignored all our actors. Aren’t we geniuses?”
The show ending with the 8th season broke my heart.
I m sure all of the actors would have been down to tell the story to end with 5 more seasons.
Yeh and if any the actors didn’t want to so what🤷♂️Carry on like GOT killed off the main character in season 1 a couple characters don’t mean shit in something like game of thrones where there’s diff story lines everywhere they fucked it so bad I think ppl in a high school English class cud write a better ending
@2:04. It’s so obvious they changed it last minute too. If I remember correctly, after S7, the internet was guessing the entire storyline for the last season and someone, somewhere must have cracked it so instead of just continuing, clearly switched everything up last minute. The constant bad attempts at ‘shock factor’ really backs that up 😞
What hurts the most is how 2 people could ruin the work of thousands. I mean, George wanted to go 13 seasons. The world was in it, HBO prepared to throw all the money they had at it, the actors had invested years on building the characters, hundreds of extremely talented people made the costumes and the sets, the music, the cgi. This could have been the best show of all time. Instead me, as a long time hard core got fan, can’t even watch it anymore at all, because it just hurts me to think of how it ended.
I am so sorry for all people involved.❤️
George is also to blame. Not to defend what D&D ended up doing but they never singed up to write the story themselfe. It was a book adaptation and George failed to deliver the source material which they were supposed to work with.
Although D&D kinda forgot about the fans they certainly haven't forgotten about them
This Peoble are ACTORS some of the best on the Planet that get paid for the Show and they could not hide how disgusting they saw Season 8.
Shows again HOW bad it was.
Biggest mistake they ever made was trying to make this a show before the book had ended. George saw that and was like "YAY! NOW, I DON'T HAVE TO FINIISH THEM! I'LL LET THE BURDEN OF BLAME FALL ON SOMEONE ELSE!"
Disappointing or epic. One of those ones.
epicly dissapointing
Disappointing in epic proportions
4:37 He's really angry about how they dumped his character arc like trash, dumb and dumber ruined this show so bad. Jamie deserves a redemption ending, a red dead redemption
Oh the greatest show ever for about 6 seasons
@Deadpoppin 5 was still way above average for a TV show 8/10, compare season 5 GoT to Rings Of Power for example.
Knowing that the actors were disappointed as well, brought me some closure.
If you are really happy with the way a major show in which you worked til end has ended you would be so happy to be answering the questions like, "How does it end?", "What was season finale for you like?" The usual exciting responses would be, "Man... Oh you wait!! You just wait. Man I cannot wait to be talking about it." "Ohoho...ooo... You are going to be amazed!" But no. Almost each cast member is like, "umm.. well..." Lol.
They should’ve handed it over to sir George himself.
The cast deserved far better.
"We hear you, but we don't care."
I think that makes people even angrier.
Like if you TRIED and failed, or used your resources and failed... That would be one thing.
They essentially drove a truck off a bridge, looking and smiling smugly at the passenger (fans and actors), on the way off the bridge.
GAWD even 5 years later that memory infuriates me.
D&D full form is Dumb and dumber brothers.😂😂
D&D will go down as the greatest jokes in television history. As soon as they ran out of source material their lack of writing talent started to show.
The guy who plays Davos is the best he gave 0 fucks
Don’t forget HBO offered and kept trying to get them to do like 10-12 episodes and they refused saying that they only needed 8.
George is part of why. TV doesn’t work the same as books. 13+ seasons is too long for the expenses the show had and plus think about the actors as well.
" we hear you, we respect you, we don't care."
that first clip made me so fucking sad. the potential
Peter gave the answer of someone who is sick to death of answering that question.
.
This is equivalent of Mark Hamill’s press tour for the Last Jedi.
I think it would've been cool to have 11-13 seasons, however this couldn't be done, if Martin doesn't finish the damnnn boooks. Or at least put him on the writing team so he can give source material.
Kit saying "Disappointing" will never not make me laugh
This shit is genius , watching them be truthful yet subtle yet not subtle straight up saying disappointing then epic then “one of those “ chuckles, pure gold.
2:57 :"in for it" idiom definition : certain to be punished
the actors cared more than the showrunners did
"Jon Snow has always been the hero, the one who's been the savior, but it just didn't seem right."
Excuse me, WHAT?!
I like how Kit says "one of those ones" even after the interviewer made him realise he shouldn't be saying that. 😂😂😂