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I've been looking for something to fill the void ever since Lost Ark PvP got stale, hopefully this game can bring back that feeling for me. I tried the league 2v2v2 mode and even got top 100, but doesn't bring back the same feeling LA pvp gave me in the early days.
I was re-watching your PvP guides the other day, just hoping we'd see some more of them. Imagine my surprise when you uploaded today lol. I played Battlerite from launch to burial and it was the first and only game to fully take me away from League. LostArk PvP scratched that itch for awhile after Battlerite died, but I've been dying for a game with that same kind of feel, focus on teamfighting and style of movement. If I can get a key I'll be trying this out for sure!
BATTLE CRUSH is coming guys game by ncsoft almost same with project loki from what i`ve seen on trailer animation is top notch and its coming test oct 24 also available on mobile, nintendo switch and STEAM! crossplatform
Wasn't aware of that one at all! Seems like CBT is on Oct 24th but not sure if I'll make it/get an invite so fingers crossed for that. I'm a bit hesitant with NCSoft; their Master X Master approach to MOBAs shut down awfully fast and their handling of a lot of MMOs I played hasn't been stellar. EIther way the game seems pretty fun from the trailer so if I make it into the test I'll give it a go.
Not yet, heard about it just recently and was looking into it. Seems like it could be pretty interesting as another take on the genre so I might give it a go.
1:52 thats me in the comments... most liked comment and still havent got a key even tho i signed up when the first trailer released...kinda sad cuz i dont even know if It will work if I sign up again with your link since I already did 2months ago.
That's what people thought about Apex Legends and yet it really took off (for BR). Heck, Eternal Return has shown you can make a MOBA BR and do very well with it. I think there's promise in these kinds of games, just needs refinement to understand how to make it appealing to both casual and competitive audiences while keeping individual matches fresh. So far I think Project Loki is on the right track.
@@LinNull I think the important distinction is that there is a MASSIVE audience for FPS BRs so it makes sense that developers were still making attempts at the genre even though it was saturated. PubG has the highest peak player count on steam DOUBLING csgo which is #2. Fortnite supposedly still has close to 3 million concurrent players, I can't imagine what it was at in its peak. This MOBA BR genre hasn't found even a fraction of a fraction of the success FPS BRs have, so it makes a lot less sense to me that developers are slamming their head against this genre trying to make it work. Eternal Return is the only game I can think of that is doing remotely well, and let's be real, it just had its 1.0 launch, let's see where it is in a few years and what the retention rate is compared to FPS BRs.
@hoodpope1851 While there's been a lot of forays into the BR genre and MOBA genre (I haven't forgotten Master X Master or Heroes of the Storm) that separately have failed, I genuinely can't think of many MOBA BRs to begin with. Are there even so many games of this type being made? Battlerite Royale is the obvious example and my heart goes out to Stunlock, but I also think that came out under different circumstances; a final attempt to save Battlerite from other fundamental issues it had. Eternal Return is the only one that has been doing remotely well, but it's also only one of 2 really (I guess Royal Crown would count, so 3?). I personally don't like BRs and came into Project Loki with a tempered expectation precisely because I'm not fond of them. I'd much rather be playing a proper arena game than a BR, and there's a reason I also say in the video I won't even know if by the time the games get released I'll even enjoy the state it ends up in. For now, the BR approach is incredibly fun to play - the only BR really that I've genuinely enjoyed. Thankfully, the game DOES have different game modes (I think that's as much as I'm allowed to say for NDA), and while I'm not sure if the alternate modes will ever take centre stage, I'm more than content to play those instead. Assuming that they stay, which I hope they will! Frankly I agree with you. I really don't think taking a foray into the BR genre is a good idea especially nowadays, regardless of whether it's MOBA, FPS or whatever other genre. The success rate for FPS BRs is also ridiculously low. I had like 8+ different dead BRs I referenced via articles in the video, and those were just the ones I knew of. Far more that have died quiet deaths listed on the wikipedia page for BRs. Still, I also think that what Project Loki has going on right now in terms of a combat sandbox and core gameplay lends itself well to the experience. Given the general game-feel and the team behind it, they may just be able to do what Eternal Return is doing but with an even bigger pull given the cross-pollination it could have with League of Legends. I myself am not even coming from a BR or MOBA genre, but from an isometric MMO. Lost Ark is number 3 at Steam peak players, Dota 2 is at 4 and League's player count is gigantic. Rather than looking at it from a MOBA BR genre - given how few attempts at that have even been made to begin with - it may be better to look at how different genres do independently and the potential the game has at being a "mashup" for the audience between them. I fear for the future of the game given the curse of the BR genre, but the MOBA BR genre seems quite new to me. Seeing how much difficulty Battlerite (and now FANGS) had with arena brawlers, would that even be the way? God forbid we get another pure MOBA, the failure rate on that is just as abysmal. As far as we know, this game may never even come out as investors lose confidence in the genre, or they end up pivoting to a different mode altogether as playtesters find alternative game modes to be more enjoyable. It's so early in development that I wouldn't put it beyond them to shift things over if feedback suggests it'd be better that way. At the very least, if I had to put money on a team to pull off a MOBA BR entry, I'd probably put it on Theorycraft.
I'm not comparing it to Lost Ark? It's just another game I found after having enough of LA's PvP scene. It's action and isometric but they're different and I don't make the claim it's an equivalent. I think it looks pretty good honestly, especially for a pre-alpha game. Art assets get updated, and the core gameplay loop is fun so I'm enjoying it.
@@LinNulli wasnt talking about the technical aspect but it seems like the idea is a mix of what we already played with a different twist. At the end its as close to legue that wouldnt make sense to play It instead of league itself. As for zthe comparison yes, you didnt. I meant that after playing the combat of lost ark Its really difficult to play anything else
I will give this a try IF I find a guarantee that the devs aren't using AI generated content in the development. My favorite MOBA (Heroes of the Storm) has been in comatose for years, and I could use a new one, but at the same time, I will never knowingly play a game with AI "content".
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Pretty good video Lin, i tried Loki myself too, i really enjoy moba genre in general i think loki have a lot of potential
Glad to see you back doing videos, this was really well done : )
We missed you!
Great video. Easy to watch, informative and also played Devil's Advocate. Will keep an eye on this channel for more.
I've been looking for something to fill the void ever since Lost Ark PvP got stale, hopefully this game can bring back that feeling for me. I tried the league 2v2v2 mode and even got top 100, but doesn't bring back the same feeling LA pvp gave me in the early days.
The rare Lin-0 video.
This looks amazing, thanks for bringing it to light!
Codes went out, looking forward to checking this out this weekend. Thanks.
Long time no see!
Playtest tomorrow! lfg :^)
I was re-watching your PvP guides the other day, just hoping we'd see some more of them. Imagine my surprise when you uploaded today lol.
I played Battlerite from launch to burial and it was the first and only game to fully take me away from League. LostArk PvP scratched that itch for awhile after Battlerite died, but I've been dying for a game with that same kind of feel, focus on teamfighting and style of movement. If I can get a key I'll be trying this out for sure!
Do they have an infighter class tho?
long time no see
wallahi say less we love the loki hype
I'm hyped... I just hope they're gonna be harsh on smurfing. 🤞
BATTLE CRUSH is coming guys game by ncsoft almost same with project loki from what i`ve seen on trailer animation is top notch and its coming test oct 24 also available on mobile, nintendo switch and STEAM! crossplatform
Wasn't aware of that one at all! Seems like CBT is on Oct 24th but not sure if I'll make it/get an invite so fingers crossed for that.
I'm a bit hesitant with NCSoft; their Master X Master approach to MOBAs shut down awfully fast and their handling of a lot of MMOs I played hasn't been stellar.
EIther way the game seems pretty fun from the trailer so if I make it into the test I'll give it a go.
🤍great video, good job
Is there somewhere I can read about all the different heroes?
If you get into the playtests, the discord has channels with a lot of information about the heroes' kits, looks, etc.
Guess I started something great. Pog
damn straight
Yo :D hi king
Have u tried bapbap
Not yet, heard about it just recently and was looking into it. Seems like it could be pretty interesting as another take on the genre so I might give it a go.
what game is at 3:11
Pseudoregalia, great indie game and definitely worth trying
let us be able to mod that shit, and ima bet ur ass its gonna be successful
1:52 thats me in the comments... most liked comment and still havent got a key even tho i signed up when the first trailer released...kinda sad cuz i dont even know if It will work if I sign up again with your link since I already did 2months ago.
Might be worth a try anyways, hopefully it'll count as a referral invite and then you get it?
@@LinNull Yeah I tried, let's see what happens
Im so confused how these games keep being made. This market is so insanely oversaturated and none of them seem to find any success
That's what people thought about Apex Legends and yet it really took off (for BR).
Heck, Eternal Return has shown you can make a MOBA BR and do very well with it. I think there's promise in these kinds of games, just needs refinement to understand how to make it appealing to both casual and competitive audiences while keeping individual matches fresh.
So far I think Project Loki is on the right track.
@@LinNull I think the important distinction is that there is a MASSIVE audience for FPS BRs so it makes sense that developers were still making attempts at the genre even though it was saturated. PubG has the highest peak player count on steam DOUBLING csgo which is #2. Fortnite supposedly still has close to 3 million concurrent players, I can't imagine what it was at in its peak.
This MOBA BR genre hasn't found even a fraction of a fraction of the success FPS BRs have, so it makes a lot less sense to me that developers are slamming their head against this genre trying to make it work. Eternal Return is the only game I can think of that is doing remotely well, and let's be real, it just had its 1.0 launch, let's see where it is in a few years and what the retention rate is compared to FPS BRs.
@hoodpope1851 While there's been a lot of forays into the BR genre and MOBA genre (I haven't forgotten Master X Master or Heroes of the Storm) that separately have failed, I genuinely can't think of many MOBA BRs to begin with. Are there even so many games of this type being made? Battlerite Royale is the obvious example and my heart goes out to Stunlock, but I also think that came out under different circumstances; a final attempt to save Battlerite from other fundamental issues it had.
Eternal Return is the only one that has been doing remotely well, but it's also only one of 2 really (I guess Royal Crown would count, so 3?). I personally don't like BRs and came into Project Loki with a tempered expectation precisely because I'm not fond of them. I'd much rather be playing a proper arena game than a BR, and there's a reason I also say in the video I won't even know if by the time the games get released I'll even enjoy the state it ends up in.
For now, the BR approach is incredibly fun to play - the only BR really that I've genuinely enjoyed. Thankfully, the game DOES have different game modes (I think that's as much as I'm allowed to say for NDA), and while I'm not sure if the alternate modes will ever take centre stage, I'm more than content to play those instead. Assuming that they stay, which I hope they will!
Frankly I agree with you. I really don't think taking a foray into the BR genre is a good idea especially nowadays, regardless of whether it's MOBA, FPS or whatever other genre. The success rate for FPS BRs is also ridiculously low. I had like 8+ different dead BRs I referenced via articles in the video, and those were just the ones I knew of. Far more that have died quiet deaths listed on the wikipedia page for BRs.
Still, I also think that what Project Loki has going on right now in terms of a combat sandbox and core gameplay lends itself well to the experience. Given the general game-feel and the team behind it, they may just be able to do what Eternal Return is doing but with an even bigger pull given the cross-pollination it could have with League of Legends.
I myself am not even coming from a BR or MOBA genre, but from an isometric MMO. Lost Ark is number 3 at Steam peak players, Dota 2 is at 4 and League's player count is gigantic. Rather than looking at it from a MOBA BR genre - given how few attempts at that have even been made to begin with - it may be better to look at how different genres do independently and the potential the game has at being a "mashup" for the audience between them.
I fear for the future of the game given the curse of the BR genre, but the MOBA BR genre seems quite new to me. Seeing how much difficulty Battlerite (and now FANGS) had with arena brawlers, would that even be the way? God forbid we get another pure MOBA, the failure rate on that is just as abysmal.
As far as we know, this game may never even come out as investors lose confidence in the genre, or they end up pivoting to a different mode altogether as playtesters find alternative game modes to be more enjoyable. It's so early in development that I wouldn't put it beyond them to shift things over if feedback suggests it'd be better that way. At the very least, if I had to put money on a team to pull off a MOBA BR entry, I'd probably put it on Theorycraft.
HOw can u even compare that with Lost ark in general makes no sense. Also, it looks really bad
I'm not comparing it to Lost Ark? It's just another game I found after having enough of LA's PvP scene. It's action and isometric but they're different and I don't make the claim it's an equivalent.
I think it looks pretty good honestly, especially for a pre-alpha game. Art assets get updated, and the core gameplay loop is fun so I'm enjoying it.
@@LinNulli wasnt talking about the technical aspect but it seems like the idea is a mix of what we already played with a different twist. At the end its as close to legue that wouldnt make sense to play It instead of league itself. As for zthe comparison yes, you didnt. I meant that after playing the combat of lost ark Its really difficult to play anything else
I will give this a try IF I find a guarantee that the devs aren't using AI generated content in the development. My favorite MOBA (Heroes of the Storm) has been in comatose for years, and I could use a new one, but at the same time, I will never knowingly play a game with AI "content".