How I got Screwed on my 1955 GMC 350 Grain Truck and how you Could Too!! Buyer Beware!
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You bought it, you are at fault for not doing your own dew Diligence. Quite your FUCKING WHINING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awe cute little guy is mad 😆🤣😂😹😆🤣
@Dale How u gonna edit your comment and still screw up your spelling.
@@tyzorg Dew Diligence is the new Mountain Dew flavor. It’s “quite” good.
@@bobbyread LOL!
It’s a bit difficult to check the vehicle and the title to compare the data when it is an online auction from another state and payment is done online before arrangements to pick it up are even made. The auction company should have confirmed it was correct before even listing the truck, and in some states they are required to do a confirmation of it by law and if they are caught selling a vehicle without confirming the title and vehicle are a match or having a bill of sale with vehicle make, year, model, VIN number, stating the vehicle is being sold without title, and must state there is no title in the auction listing for that vehicle, that auction company can be fined thousands of dollars and/or have its auctioneers license temporarily suspended or revoked or they can even be permanently revoked and banned from doing any future auctions in that state and in some cases even be sentenced to jail or even prison.
Hey Randy I saw you and your wife yesterday driving the driving the old school car on 29th and Douglas looking good
Heeey!! Yeah you can't miss that car huh?? LOL I'll be doing a video of the 53 Pontiac Chieftain soon!
Build a custom low rider ramp truck
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds vermont registration, no title needed for cars older than 15 or 20 years. just a bill for sale
Look up the Vermont title process buddy. People do it all the time. Once you get it transfer it to okc
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds You finally got it???? Awesome!!!!!
You can get a vermont title without an address there. I think all you need is a proof of sale and a vin, maybe worth looking into.
Same with New Hampshire
Yeap just call Vermont dmv run vin pay sales tax and registration fees and get plates and regy in mail
You can do that with any car? So for example if I have a car that can’t pass inspection I can have it registered in Vermont and be all good? Whaaaaat
@@icepop54367 I don't think so it has to be a certain age I believe
@@icepop54367 yeap
Randy,remove the bed. Put a wooden flat bed on it and apply for a builder's title. After you get your builders title replace the old bed.
I bought a 2013 Saturn ION from a Chevrolet dealership In Oklahoma. I was living in Arkansas. Someone somewhere mis typed the VIN. CHEVY dealer didn’t notice. I financed the car. Didn’t see the title. Eventually the finance company told me I had a problem with the VIN.
I had to have the Arkansas state police validate the VIN so the typo could be fixed.
Sadly they won't do that for me here. Glad you got it resolved though!
@@AutoAuctionRebuilds so how does validate the vins. Here in MA I had to get several forms done and notarized and also a affidavid stateing where the car has been etc, and notarized. Had a form for a LEO to come byy to sign off also had to have the vin ran for theft , They didn't want to but I forced it. .
They actually have a form for vehicles that you bought from a farmer that has been idle. . I know OK is tuff.
@@kapekodbob lol Assachusetts. Did you go to bear-week fisting party @ 0blizmo's?
@@kapekodbob Yes and those bureaucrats can be mighty difficult to deal with if there is some real thinking to be done.
I can't believe Rick at CTR doesn't have one he always seems like a stand up guy even on his price
like everyone else Rick is busy to. Randy needs to get him to check his stash to see if he even has one. May take a followup call. He did mention in one of his vids he had to take a look for Randy.
Doing the repairs one at a time sounds like a plan, with a video on each one essentially paying for the part(s).
In NY you can apply for a new vin plate if one is "missing" just need old title and bill of sale paperwork.
Randy, it would be awesome to watch you fix up that classic truck, it would be worth the time and trouble. By the way, the Kansas Attorney General's Office would probably like to know that these people are selling vehicles whose title doesn't match the VIN. It is illegal to do that. A quick letter to the State Attorney General might be worth the time if it prevents them from selling anymore vehicles illegally.
Put it back together Randy. The new content on it would be great to watch
Yes,
I would love to see you fixing up this old truck.
The truck sure deserves some TLC from you. It's a timeless design. It'll be amazing to see the truck getting fixed upon. Hope that the title issues are sorted soon.
Love this truck. Being 68 I can appreciate it as I grew up on a farm. I doubt it would be a benefit to you, but it sure would look good in parades.
tHanks for the video. When you mentioned that it is all about how you respond after a mistake is made....is pure legend.
Randy, how can I get a hold of you. My son and his business partner have a auto restoration business in Vermont. I'm sure he will be able to get paperwork from Vermont since they don't issue titles after 15 years . Let me know if you can and I'll contact him. If there is a work around they will have done it.
Great old truck . Takes me back to my teen years working on a farm. Drove a GMC just like that jocking grain from the field to the dryer and storage bins.
You can sell it in Vermont no title. 15 year or older
Not sell. Vermont will issue a registration and plates as long as not on insurance list somewhere. Once you have Vermont reg, you do a transfer to your local state who will issue a title.
Thanks for the update Randy 👊
Randy thanks for lesson on tittles hopefully you can solve your problem keep up the good work I'll be watching
I need a lesson or two on titties..
Keep that thing and use it around the shop. We had one up on the farm. As a young kid, I sat in the seat on my knees, Dad would set the throttle it to a crawl. I would steer in thru the hay fields while the men loaded the hay bales. Wonderful memories growing up on a farm. We all loved that old truck. Used it for everything.
I’ve studied these old Chevy/GMC trucks since I was in junior high and I’ve owned and rebuilt more of this generation pickups than I can count. Back in the early to mid 80’s these trucks were parked out behind barns and sitting in fields just about everywhere. From my experience with many, many of these trucks over the years is the title VIN# and VIN# on the body tag itself will often be different. Some states used the engine serial number on the title instead of the body tag VIN. The same state would also use the body tag VIN on the title. It just depends on the county registration department at the time of original registration within that state. Also, many trucks were retitled in another state and depending on the state and county they would use the body tag VIN exclusively in most cases due to the fact that the original engine had been replaced and that serial number no longer was attached to the truck meaning the ONLY remaining serial number on many trucks is the body VIN tag. So in situations like this where the title has an engine serial number as the truck’s VIN, it doesn’t match the body VIN tag and county tax assessor’s will not want to issue a new title due to the obvious discrepancy. So the next step is the have the truck inspected by your local authorities like the motor vehicle task force or DMV. They need to visually inspect the truck’s VIN tag for authenticity as well as the VIN on the frame. The serial number on the engine will also be checked and recorded.
In this specific situation in this video it is clearly the correct title to the truck!!! Why do I say this? Because the most unique and identifiable part of any truck’s body VIN# is the last five or six digits. If those match as well as the other VIN codes for date, etc then that is the correct title for the truck. There was simply a lazy person at the registration office back when it was registered for use on public roads back in the late 70’s. You have to remember this. Most all of the big 1 and 2 ton trucks back then where farm trucks. They were never used off the farm hence they were not so much concerned about registering them for use on public roadways. At some point the truck was sold or the owner decided to register and retitle the truck to a new owner and at that point they recorded the truck’s VIN as it appeared on the original title or else the employee at the tax office was just simply incompetent and didn’t entire the entire VIN sequence in their system. My bet is that the original VIN on the original title was correct but upon it original sale they didn’t enter the entire VIN for some stupid reason. Bottom line is this. The last five to six digits do match and if you use a VIN decoder it will verify the other portions of the VIN do match the truck model, date, engine, etc. You have to get the local law enforcement or DMV inspector to do these simple steps and verify the truck and VIN’s authenticity then take that paperwork to your local tax office and they will correct and issue you a new title.
By the way, the truck in this video is VERY rare in multiple ways!
#1 It’s a GMC
#2 It’s a 1955 1st series which only had a limited production due to it being the very end of 1954 when GM was beginning the major design change for their new trucks. “Advanced Design”.
#3 The truck has factory stainless steel window, windshield and door moldings as well as a factory chrome grill center as well as the upper grill surround. Very rare and very rare for a large work truck to have these rare options.
It’s a very desirable work truck for collectors. Period.
Yes sir that is a good response, and it shows that there are ways to be able to deal with the discrepancies involved in dealing with the paperwork on these older vehicles.
Go to your local county auto theft division and request a vehicle identification inspection. They will inspect and document the vehicle’s identification numbers and provide you with documents that can be used at the DMV to correct the title vin number. It’s an extra step but this is how it’s done. Your local county auto theft division has serious authority and is heavily involved in these situations and the DMV will accept their findings and documents they provide.
A local auction house recently sold a 67 Corvette from an estate. The VIN matched the number on the title. Trouble is the VIN on the car was for a 66 Roadster and the car was VERY clearly a 67 Coupe. They even pointed out that the VIN on the car matched the VIN number on the title when questioned about it.
Felony.
Yes sir but I understand there is a VIN number on the frame somewhere. Just somewhere is the mystery but there are those who do know due to their experience in fooling with those vehicles.
Tow it to a parking lot. Take a picture and send location to the owners of where they can pick up the money pit. If you got your money back it's their problem now.
The issue is if he is disputing the charge on his credit card, the bank will give him a "temporary" credit until they verify through the seller as to whether or not it was a valid charge. If the seller says it is, the bank will take their money back and re-apply it to the card.
@@johngriffith7032 Yes and technically it is like putting a deposit on a vehicle where the owner of the vehicle is holding it for the person who put the deposit on it to pay for it. But in this case the full payment has to be made and any refunds must be based on whether the seller is entitled to the amount or not. These days with these online auctions that is just how it is. It is definitely a buyer beware situation.
Fix it up slowly. Micro film is what old records was turned into for storage. Keep working on getting the title straightened out. Find some old museum that might take the truck, even without a good title.
Good move Randy. Unfortunately, honestly and integrity is lacking these days. I had a similar experience with a company sending invalid parts for my car and wasn't working with me to fix the problem. So I called my credit card company and reported it as fraud. "Miraculously", they contacted me and the issue was resolved. Bad companies can screw the little guy, but they can not screw big banks.
The credit card companies can threaten to remove a companies ability to accept credit card payments. This would cripple and spell an end to most retailers. The retailer quickly finds out they only think they own there business!
I would definitely fix it up to where it can be driven. Even if you don't get the title maybe you can use it to do errands. It's such a beautiful truck and personally i would keep it the way it is.
Hi Randy! I love this old truck! I was thinking about your water pump debacle, would it be possible to put an electric water pump on the truck. I know it wouldn’t keep the originality totally in tact but it would solve the problem and be less expensive so you could run the truck without worrying about overheating the engine. Just a thought and I’m not sure if it’s a possibility?
Old vehicles in general since they were made simpler it really doesn’t take much for them to start. Try that with a modern car that’s been sitting for a while. Especially with a modern GM. The body is in immaculate shape and she could be eligible for a paint job.
That truck looks good material for whistlin diesel.. looks indestructible to me .. I can see whistlin having fun with it
Go on buddy, I like to see hands at work, I am learning something everytime!!!
You probably will not have trouble registering the car but you might have trouble with the inspection if they compare your registration VIN to the actual VIN.
Just reading the comments made my day. Love the old truck.
Get it running. Sound good putting the Elca engine in that thing
20 years ago I had a 1971 F600. It had a 300-6 and 4 speed with a single speed rear axle. I absolutely loved driving it. Sold it after a few years later to the father of the young man I bought it from.
Luv those camera Angeles.
Keep the truck as a long-term project and fix it from time to time between your other projects
You sound like my cousin...I was listening to your struggles at the same time I'm working on a 1956 Chevy dually dump truck! Believe me, I can empathize!!!😂
Hi randy it's collin from the UK in Liverpool I think that car is looking good with its new windscreen mate since you put a lot into this car randy I bet if you decided to paint it you suddenly see pound $$$ and seeing the end result is the best ever
You are favored. Positive thoughts and persistence will get the job done.
Randy I love the truck I hope you can keep it and fix it up. I will be watching!
Havin U as a dad would be Great!!!! im 35, greetz from Sweden!! cheers
Give her a bit of well dese3rved love randy!!!! What a cool piece of history right there. Respect from Ont, Canada!!
Great video. I hope can solve the case and the truck goes too a good home, its a great truck and yes will see more😁❤️
It would make a perfect truck for a farmer at harvest time
put the camino engine in it, dont waste the money on a water pump when you have a complete runner sitting right beside it
What is wrong with the engine that is in it?
Well unless the water pump is not a rebuildable core it can be rebuilt as this was done quite frequently when this truck was in service. Of course, there is expense and depending upon the expense the best way to go is use what you have and repair or replace the pump. If the pump is leaking it is usually due to the seal leaking. Any competent shop that fools with these old vehicles can do that.
You can register the truck in Vermont online they will give you a transferable registration which can turn to a title if you put the full vin on the Vermont paperwork I believe Oklahoma would have to give you your title I did it on a 88ford
The truck looks great but the interior needs much love👌 nice ride🔥
I’m an upholsterer lol
If you're a dealer and the truck runs good drive it and keep it play with the hydramatic and the two speed rear axle
That exact thing happend to my friend here in Sweden he still has that car today he got it like 5 years ago but he never got one because the owner were gonna send it in the mail. Hope you solve it
I always thought that the auction house, as part of their service, would have to verify the the title and car matched.
Here's one for you. Back in 1980 I did some work for a fellow who traded me a 1946 GMC 11/2 ton flatbed. The truck had Colorado paperwork on it and was in his name. Well I live here in Florida and when I inquired as to the procedure to change the Colorado paper into Florida paper I was told that a FHP trooper had to verify the serial number on the truck and of course the Colorado title to match. But I was further informed that the engine number must be verified as prior to 1955 Florida titles went by engine serial numbers (I think that was pretty much the standard through all states). In 1955 Florida recognized the numbers on the firewall plate such as you have pictured here. Well the truck did not have its original engine (the fellow drove it from Colorado to Florida with a later model Oldsmobile engine and automatic trans and he had junked the original engine. Posed quite a problem and the state of Florida DMV would not budge on this. So I put a SBC in the truck and went down to see about doing something about the title using the numbers off of that engine. When I went down to the tag agency the girl doing the administrative work was experienced in doing older vehicles as her father just so happened to own a hot rod Corvette used car dealership and she knew what to ask. She asked me that on the Colorado paperwork serial number "is this number on the frame"? and I just happened to know it was as I found it on the passenger side of the truck up on the top rail of the frame right around where the front axle was located. Bingo!!!!!!!!!. That satisfied the problem and I have a proper Florida title for that truck. I would have to say in your situation the outfit that you bought it from provided you with a proper Kansas title (I will assume so, as I'm not looking at it) and the state of Oklahoma is not recognizing the Kansas title as being incomplete. I would also submit that this is indeed a good lesson and others should be aware of this problem with older vehicles doing title swaps. It would seem to me that there should be a procedure for one to be able to nail down a vehicle like this online pending a refund based on this procedure that different states have not recognizing paperwork from other states. Of course your credit card company has protected you by issuing a refund on your initial purchase but your expenses are on you.
I live in Wisconsin, and I bought a 1970 Cadillac Coupe Deville with a short vin on the title. I think mine was 7 digits or so and I had no problems registering it, but here we don't have to bring in a vehicle to register it. If they don't need to inspect the vehicle there I'd just try and register it as is.
Microfiche is a means of which to store alot of data in photo type format . So the operator will have to look thru all the microfiche tape for the year and month of the last registration.
Randy, one of my neighbours has a similar truck, he loves driving it but it was definitely a DOG if you know what I mean, first he ended up LS swapping it, then the brakes went out and he ended up frame swapping it, to a 2000s GM, since it was easier than swapping the brake components.
In Texas you could get a new title. The VIN needs a inspection. The county police used to come out and inspect the VIN, but its hard to get that done now. Now, we have to tow it to DMV location where the VIN can be inspected.
I wonder if John ross would have any insight since he's from Kansas on that title issue?
Good point. I'd definitely be worth reaching out to him to see if he has any ideas.
Microfilm means proof of ownership or purchase was taken as a picture on a miniature piece of film that was often used to store records in city halls etc. You can go to a state that doesn't need proof of previous ownership to register it (ie Vermont)
The body on the grain truck looks very clean and complete including chrome pieces. That's worth money when it comes to making a good looking driver out of it. You are right about the title. Title first. If it was taken or stolen from the original owner, the original owner would get it back with all the improvements you have made. The engine-transmission combo should be one set up for a truck, with torque figures at lower RPM more important than horsepower and RPM. It would be a great delivery truck for a feed store as a moving advertisement.
Nobody has anything like her on YT I'm a GM fanboy so I'm glued to the GMC vids. She'd be awesome painted and all original. I love the classic colors. I'm a truck driver and started driving old V8 Chevy 6 wheelers like her when I first started.
Iam loving all the 50s cars randy 🔥🔥❤❤
Hey Randy! I don't know if you see this or not but. How is the 240d doing? Can't wait to see more of it. And I hope that you get the brakes and the water pump so you can drive with the gmc truck. I think it would be nice. Stay tuned Randy
If you end up having to sell it as parts, then it will be worth more running and driving than as it sits.
Also, if it has a Kansas title, can it be sold to a dealer or company in Kansas? 🤔 Once you've done your thing with it...
Randy, glad to see an update on the GMC. If it were me, I wouldn't spend a dime on it until I got a good title. Why waste your money that could be put to better use?
Yes! Get it done!
Nice job the old truck looks great 👍🚘❤️
Great job
I'm not really too smart on vehicle titles but is it possible to essentially register it as a new vehicle with the full Vin plate
If a vehicle is old enough, in some states, a bill of sale is all that is needed to transfer ownership. I'm not sure how that works for a title though as I don't know if they issue titles for older cars in those states.
i understand that some states will issue a title based on a bill of sale on these older vehicles. It is just a bureaucratic solution to a problem. And it makes easier on all parties involved. It does vary from state to state.
I am pretty sure that Oklahoma is like Texas in that in the case of an old vehicle with a title problem you can get what is called a ‘bonded title’. I did it once for an old trailer. You pay a surety bond fee of around a hundred bucks, fill out some dmv paperwork, a police officer inspects your car, and then the dmv gives you your title.
I'm wondering the same. I've had to get a couple bonded titles myself.
That bonded title is fine if you are keeping the vehicle. Randy will sell this and it can't be on a bonded title. The title has to be clear of all liens.
I can't believe they are looking on micro fishe. That would consist of one person sitting down and looking for hours . It's like looking for something through old film negatives. Dang man. I like the old truck.
Well back in the seventies we had microfilm, and of course microfiche. That is just what was used, and of course the government agencies around the country (state agencies) would not need to update old information or did not update information that old to modern computers.
damn that sucks man! hopefully you can get it straightened out
Call a lawyer, they'll find you some weird loophole in an hour
The lawyer will cost more than the truck is worth.
If you do contact an attorney then contact one that has experience in this area, and it can be costly.
C'mon Randy, we need at least one video of you driving down the road.
Donate it to a museum or farm, they don't need titles, and write that baby off, and being it's not titled, you can put whatever value you want being it's considered a custom
Hello Randy. Sorry to hear about the 1955 Grain Truck.
Try salvage title or do a short sale with correct vin or do lost title and correct sn. You can do it i tx
Late 90’s I had a red 2 door Plymouth Colt hatchback I bought from a customer that I delivered pizza to. I saw another one identical to it driven by another customer I had delivered pizza to and bought it. He said my mom has the title and she will mail it to you. No title and I call him and got her work address and she’s still looking for the title. She quit that job and the son moved and my trail runs dry. I paid $200 for it so I made lemonade from lemons and I stripped it of the 4 new tires and a bunch of other parts then it went to a salvage yard. They were made by Mitsubishi and the little engines were sweet.
Yes i would be really happy to see this old classic truck at the road again.. you wont regret..Do it...yahhooo..!!!
We want to see you do it see you fix it up that truck is so cool
Ithink the plan of putting it together step by step is the best thing, and if the video content generate enough revenue to go further with the restoration it's a plus for more videos, if you will not be able to obtain the title, you still have a cool truck for recycling facility trip
Oh come on Randy you got to save her there must be a way to get a Title it would be a shame to break for parts as it’s survived this long
Randy, I hope you can get problem resolved with the truck. It's a cool truck to drive around town and the Pontiac chieftain with the flathead inline 8, sweet
I don't know if you still have the truck or not, but there's a couple of possibilities. First, being a 55 first series truck, it's possible that the title matches the engine number instead of the body number. If that doesn't work out, here in Texas, we can get what's called a bonded title. I don't know if you have that option in Oklahoma, but if you do, that may be the only way to get it straightened out. I just recently did that for a 52 GMC. It's VIN is on the engine.
Hopefully you can get the title situation figured out. Got my fingers crossed you do
Microfilm is what they put old newspaper/documents on to preserve them. Check with Kansas. In order to get a vehicle licensed from out of state here, highway patrol has to verify vin. You could call an inspection station and see if there willing to reverify the vin
I worked at a Bank and had to pull stuff off micro film for court cases and it is time consuming and hope where they are filed the numbers are correct
I do wonder something. As you have a functioning engine/transmission in the other car, would a swap not be a better choice? That way at least you would have more predictable factors..would you not?
Why do so many people say to swap the engine? this inline 6 is running fine. What advantage would he get after all that work?
@@mexicanspec To many there are advantages to having a more modern powertrain. For example, performance, finding parts etc. Then again, to each their own. As it is Randy's truck, he will do what he thinks is best for & with it. My opinion is merely my opinion.
@@joelthomas8296 More modern? There were inline 6 cylinder engines in the '80s. It is the same technology. I agree on the parts though. You just need to know where to look to find them.
Personally I don't think the V8 would be an advantage considering the weight of the truck and the low gearing it has. Also a lot of fabrication will need to be done and Randy is not prepared to do all that. I know Mike can, but we shouid not be pushing off Randy's projects on anybody else.
@@mexicanspec Will leave it up to Randy nonetheless. Look forward either way to see what he does.
@@joelthomas8296 Me too. Titles was my business for years. I know how easy it is to get a title and how hard it can be.
Up here in Massachusetts I have seen cars and trucks with missing vin number plates issued a new vin number by the registry of motor vehicles. They send you a decal that you put on the truck with their serial number and paperwork to go with it. Maybe you can talk to your registry and see if they will do something similar in your state. Wonderful old truck my friend. Also the companies that sell hot rod parts must have motor mount kits to convert those old trucks to v8's ,they do it to pickups all the time.
This is not missing a VIN plate.
Wow that is a very bad predicament i wish you good luck to resolve this problem. At least it does start and run. I love the look of the look and would be a good one to get running as long as it is not to expensive. 🇨🇦👍
Yes Randy go for it.
I'd love to see it back on the road please and good luck with the title search
Love you Randy hope you can get the truck running some farmer might buy it
That would make an awesome ramp truck for hauling cars. Make it the official aar car hauler. That would be great content Randy. Just an idea
I was thinking the same thing.
You should be able to get a rebuild kit for the water pump and if not you should be able to get the parts individually by doing some cross referencing and/or measuring the bearings/bushings and the seal. Gaskets can be easily made as well. I have rebuilt several this way because replacement pumps were not available or affordable, just never done it for this engine in specific. You may even be able to get them or either a new or rebuilt pump from Egge Machine but they might be a bit pricier than buying the components yourself.
Randy, does OK have a bonded title like Texas? You could get a bonded title based on the correct Vin , of course you would have to own it for the required length of time for the title to transfer to a normal title
Put your logo on it and park it for advertising purposes. Use your dealer tag to pick up parts and to help with moving. No need to rent a u-haul.
Keep it! fix it up and use it as the AAR a car hauler/show truck for closer to home pick ups ya know
Cant wait to see it run. On a side note, wtf is that chevy still doing there? It's been like a year. Hasn't picked it up yet?
Sorry about the truck buddy hope you make it up on other cars good luck
Can you register this in Vermont to get a new title issued? Seems to be a loophole many people have used.
Crazy that your DMV took the time to compare the title to the VIN. I've registered a dozen or more cars in my life in IL and MI and not once has someone taken the title outside to check against the car. I'd grab the plates from a Currency Exchange, say as little as possible, and run it.