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As a parent of a disabled son, one of my biggest fears is that he would be falsely accused of a crime and railroaded through the system. Nightmare fuel.
Mine too.
Sadly this has happened many times not only to handicapped people.
Watch the British film "Give it to him". It's about a large mentally disabled man who is hanged for a crime.
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@@dennislogan6781 😥😥😢
I love how millions of adults gather around for story time on fridays
Not just adults
It's because I'm a fan of the strange, dark, and mysterious. Particularly in story format.
it used to be 3 ,4 even 5 times a week for the ogs
Seriously😂
@@itzhexen0 best comment
The bit about the dog digging up bones in front of the police and the serial killer just nonchalantly throwing a skull over a wall infront of them to get rid of it is hilarious dark comedy, like something out of a comedy scene.
We need a movie on this FOR SURE!!
At the end of the day, it's not that funny is it? There could have been orphans on the other side of that wall
@@TheEmp48 weirdo
@@ly3730 thank you!
@@KaiTheAussie bro you sound like that tik toker i forget his name
I'm a special education teacher and this story broke my heart... that poor family and so sad for Timothy. He had no idea what was happening to him and no one to advocate. This is why I do what I do so that the Timothy's of the world can get a job and have a productive life and stand up for themselves.
Thank you! ❤
I was a special education student and labeled “emotionally disturbed” … it was nothing but a traumatizing experience
I was labeled that too well more like "emotional handicap"@@josephmarzullo
Thank you so much.. I am a school teacher and it broke my heart too...
This is why you never treat people poorly, you don’t know their lives, he never had a chance. From birth to death he didn’t have a choice in the way his life went. Horribly sad story.
That's not really true. For one, he frequently lied. Nobody made him do that, and it was a moral failing of his that he was wholly responsible for. Secondly, he shouldve never knocked his wife up. I know he had exceptionally low intelligence, and although you might be able to make an argument that his low IQ partially absolved him of some responsibility, it does not excuse him completely. He was human, with weaknesses that we can sympathize with, but he still made mistakes. Having said that, he ABSOLUTELY did not deserve what happened to him. If he hadnt made either of the mistakes that I listed he may have not suffered his fate though, so I guess if this story has any moral at the end, it is to live honestly and carefully.
Indeed. Humans are horrible.
Yea i can Relate it's like ppl like us were just doomed from birth never had chance but those are the cards we were delt and unfortunately forced to play smh
Eh, I know at least a couple of other reasons why you shouldn't treat people poorly...
You always have a choice
Rest in Peace Timothy, your wife and your two children
I pray for you and your family Timothy you were treated unfairly in life and I'm sure you're all in heaven now and eternal peace
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@@caseyself2134 there was still domestic violence in that household lol
@@rafeeali8307yeah I was about to say Timmothy still sounds like a POS eben if falsely accused
As soon as you mentioned his neighbor’s name “John Christie” my heart sank. Thank you for telling this from Timothy’s POV. I feel so bad for him. May him and all the other victims RIP. 💔
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Sorry, but the famous detective Simpson has indicated that there was good evidence that Evans was complicit in the murders that Christie committed. It seems likely that the real story will never be told
I looked him up. Haven't even finished the video but saw your comment. I feel so bad for Timothy now.
@@1234cheerfulLesson learned: wait until after a video is over to read comments.
As soon as John was introduced into the story, I knew it sounded familiar from some killer story I heard somewhere and I knew it wasn't going to be fair for poor Timothy. I just hate when innocents get swept up in the flawed investigations of crimes.
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The movie 10 RILLINGTON PLACE starring John Hurt (as Timothy) was based on this story. Worth a watch.
Innocents? Timothy wanted to kill a child.
I never saw the movie or heard the story, but I knew things were about to get "interesting" when Timothy was executed half way through the story.
Timothy being pardoned after his execution: "thanks guys, really means a lot"
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🤣😂 I was thinking pretty much the same when he said "Timothy is now officially an innocent man" ... I was like "yeah that would do!" 😄
Maybe he shouldn't have fled, confessed, lied like 3 times, then confessed separately yet again... There is only so much massive self incrimination before there can be no "REASONABLE doubt" anymore.
@@gavinjenkins899 They executed him without a body . that was a huge travesty of justice.
@@gavinjenkins899 you're overlooking the fact he wasn't very bright... it's a tragic case
This may be his most heartbreaking story. Imagine losing your whole family, and not even critically understanding what is going on. Imagine having such a low IQ, that he may not have even fully understood what was happening, or why. RIP to his whole family. thats truly sad.
Maybe it was a small mercy that he didn’t really understand. :(
@@tookitogo I truly hope so.
Yes thats right.he was as innocent child who trying his best to do things right not knowing why he failing again and again.Hearbreaking story. We need to be more gentle to each other and understands ppl limitations and circumstances.
This all happened because of the abortion laws in UK. If it was legal she wouldn’t have been raped and killed. And the baby wouldn’t have been strangled.
@@Alexandra-ng1ih without trying to bring up such a divisive topic, I absolutely 100% agree.
the executioners response to john saying his nose itches definitely lightened up the mood a bit
Probably said it without realizing how perfect his response was.
They could have punched the guy's nose to help with the itch
@@Crimea_RiverThat would've worked
so they found bodies in johns backyard and in his closet but can only charge him with him wifes murder but they execute timothy for just saying things and not even being accurate? wtf
@Itz Yep, common sense was not their strongest point.
What's more annoying is Timothy was illiterate so how could he have signed the papers if he was literally unable to?
As a bald, bearded man likes to say: "the past was the worst".
The maximum penalty has been revoked. But the way investigations are often conducted has never changed.
Murderers allowed to walk free while prosecutors feed on the concern that police don't have an airtight case. Ol dummy takes the stand on another case having no shred of how to protest his innocence gets convicted before the evidence is heard.
Underrated comment!
This is such a morbid twist of the examples of "crying wolf" and "wolf in sheep's clothing"...at the same time. Never heard of this true crime story and I thought I've heard most of them.
There's a film made about this crime. It's called 10 rillington place starring richard Attenborough
It's such a sad, tragic tale all around. Poor Timothy who was browbeaten into a confession. Poor Beryl and Geraldine who were Christie's victims. The whole story is just awful.
Its one of my pet cases. As I mentioned in an earlier comment, I knew someone who lived nearby at the time. It was an old secondary school teacher of mine and she recounted in terrifying detail (she was an English teacher and ex-editor for a publishing house ) so vividly the feeling in the area at the time. She actually remembered her parents spending the time of day with this monster.
@@mickeyairey8831 Yes it's an incredibly well acted and powerful film
@@mickeyairey8831 yes and so amazingly grisly how Richard Attenborough played Christie, he got his mannerisms to a T , even the way he was suppose to whisper due to a gas attack in the trenches 😧 creepy film but definitely worth a watch
@@kellyosborne7571 😧 it makes my skin crawl to think of that 🤢 thankfully your friend survived to tell the tale , he’s not human or at least he didn’t act human, I’m glad they executed him !
This story really hurt my heart. Can anyone imagine not only losing your wife and daughter, then finding out your good friend did it, then being executed?! Thank goodness for karma! Just wish it would've come sooner.
Karma? I think justice was served. Death for death. He killed his unborn child, and was killed himself. An eye for an eye, life for life.
@@Tenekai How you pick and choose biblical quotes is sad! You quote the Old Testament here but ignore that Jesus taught to 'turn the other cheek' and compassion.
@@Tenekai You got this story completely wrong. Timothy didn't murder anyone. It was Christie you #%&@$$
@@janewilks3829 how you pick and choose what human stays alive is sad! Are you referring to compassion for the humans that's aren't convenient for you? Like compassion for a life being shredded to pieces in a womb? Feeling every bit of pain? Is that the compassion you're referring to?
@@janewilks3829 are you referring to the baby in the womb turning the other cheek, as it's head is being torn to pieces?
When you said, "Wait, my nose itches," and the executioner said, "That won't bother you long," I actually laughed. What an incredibly evil SOB.
Typical British humour. I'd have said the same thing.
Cracked me up as well, lol!
Bloody brilliant response I'd say.😂
The executioner was Albert Pierrepont, the same, incredibly professional man who'd executed Timothy Evans. Apparently he was furious with Christie who had caused him to execute an innocent man & therefore had no sympathy for Christie.
My grandad spent 18 months in hospital after a mustard gas attack. He passed away 96 and I never saw him without socks. It was his feet that were affected by the mustard gas but because he was far away he never got a single visitor in hospital. And his younger sister died of TB at aged 7. He was my hero. Even though he went through so much in his long life he was the nicest person in the world.
This story is so sad. I feel bad for Timothy’s wife and daughter and for Timothy. So many victims in this story
The kids were the only innocent ones in the story
@@Marisa_enjoyer Did you even see the video?
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex Indeed. I'd say conspiring to kill your unborn child is the furthest thing from innocence.
@@andredeketeleastutecomplex yes he did. Timothy was just a coward and wanted everything easy just like many today. Want the easy way out and not deal with the consequences of their actions.
There is always a way, but doesn’t mean always a will. I would sell my soul before killing an innocent kid.
@@Marisa_enjoyer I would say they were desperate. They could not afford the child they had, let alone a second one. And back then, there were no programs to help poverty-stricken families.
My nana was from london. Before she moved to Canada, & then coming over here in the usa, her friend & her were looking for apartments to rent in London. She always claimed they almost rented an apartment from a man who gave them the creeps
They decided not to take it & later on found out he had bodies buried in his house. She was pretty sure it was john christie, but wasn't positive. Unfortunately she passed in 2020 at 91. I miss her dearly.
God damn that's horrifying
@@unknowntiger6293 you should be ashamed of yourself kid
People should ALWAYS trust their gut/intentions. We should subconsciously know things before we know them!
@@Retributionist what did unknown tiger say I can't find what he said
@@Retributionist should he?
That man wiped out an entire family 😢
what's worse is that for many years, Beryl's family were unable to locate the exact resting place of Beryl and Geraldine, as they had been interred in an unmarked paupers grave, with many other people and they found it very tough to finally get a grave stone for them.
This is a heartbreaking story.
Agreed
I have heard this story 20 times however not once heard it through Timothy's lens. It's always about Christie.
Well done. Great story.
Yeah, if he'd mentioned 10 Rillington Place at the beginning I'd have had the revelation I had at 10 minutes in when he mentioned Christie. Very good idea to see it through this lens👍
True
very true as posted above i didnt recognise the case until i heard the words "10 rillington place".
it was good to get the background on Timothy and the victims, really well written and well told.
Hollywood needa make a film
@@eatyagrandmasgrapes3858 hollywood dont needa make a film, been done , check out "10 Rillington Place " on CZcams, or whatevah
Can’t imagine the hopelessness & betrayal he felt the moment Timothy was told about his wife & daughter . Very Sad .
i cant imagine the pain
he trusted him. so trafmgic :( monsters exist
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He was naive. I know they said he was stupid but wowwww. Who just accepts all this information without questioning anything. Not to mention he confessed to it. Obviously its sad but i feel like he wouldn't have lasted much longer being that stupid, imo.
@@byunniq9060 people with low iqs struggle to reason things
For those interested in this story, an excellent film was made called 10 Rillington Place starring Richard Attenborough as Christie.
Interesting! Thanks for the info ☺️
The remakes better with Samantha morton and Tim Roth its a series not a film 👍👍👍👍
I pictured the actors in the film - Attenborough as Christie, John Hurt as Evans and Judy Geeson as Beryl - as Mr Ballen told the story :)
Yes!
Sir David Attenborough's brother.
I can't believe how quickly they went from trial to carrying out the execution. Like there wasn't any appeal process. Glad they stopped capital punishment, this is a perfect example of why it shouldn't exist.
Easy for you to say as you’ve probably never had violence committed against someone you love by a complete monster. People like you shouldn’t get a say on the death penalty.
By your logic all of your country laws should have no effect because out of thousand of cases there was 1 person unjustified punished and for you the other 9999 dont matter if there happens 1 mistake
@@user-mj8bg3fw8w that's your "logic"
@@stephanienkurtz They pointed out the flaws in that line of reasoning. The mistaken convictions mean that the investigation, trial and prosecution were flawed, not the sentence itself. There is no "fixing" the guy with a foot in his crockpot and a pile of bones in his closet. That is far different from a sketchy eyewitness. The "but some are innocent" argument ignores those on camera shooting up schools who got caught with the empty gun in their hands. The inability to "undo" the 5 years in prison ( possibly getting raped or stabbed while missing your mom's funeral) again points to flaws in the process, NOT the idea of Prison itself. YOU argued emotion, not logic.
@@user-mj8bg3fw8wno. you put people in jail, not kill them. there is always a chance they were innocent, and you can't reverse killing someone.
I seriously doubt that any other channel has this much of a positive community behind a creator and I am glad because John deserves it!
Stevewilldoit, nelk, Bradley Martyn all have a stronger fan base.
Bet! He is awesome. Funny, greater speaker, keeps my attention.
John is awesome
Big love from the Philippines!!
Mrbeast maybe?
Timothy really suffered his whole life, then lost everything in less than a year. This is an absolute tragedy. I hope he's in a better place, wherever he is.
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This is why I will never support the death penalty. Unless a judicial system is perfect which it can't be, the death penalty is barbaric and inhumane and no society should consider itself civilized if it enacts capital punishment.
There's plenty of modern day examples of innocent people being put to death here in the United States, it would be nice if MrBallen did an episode on on one of these.
I like to think he'd find some comfort knowing we tell his story even in 2022 and our hearts break for him and his family.
@@suzannah991 And that they stopped the death penalty b/e of what happened to him.
Yesh to hell with the daughter and wife...not a single mention of them?
Not only is he the best storyteller on CZcams, he is also the best at doing advertisements for his sponsors on CZcams.
I used to watch Mr Ballen all day every day, binging the stories. I fell off the wagon but I'm so glad to be back! Missed ya, buddy!!
Same for me. I got a new job and didn’t watch mr B for a few months
Same here! I stopped because of marching band, now that that coping mechanism left I’m back here 😃👍
Didn't you work? 😂
How did they only have enough evidence to charge him with 1 murder, when he literally had 4 bodies in his old apartment 🤦🏽♀️. That’s some A1 police work.
Probably not enough evidence, just the missing wife, with no effort on the part of the husband to report her missing, was the only evidence they had.
I thought the same thing... 9/10ths of the law is possession. Having 3 other bodies would mean 3 other murders... Just goes to show that Police aren't always the brightest...
@@SeanBZA Bruh, 4 bodies in your apartment is evidence. That is key physical evidence lmfao
@ahhhcool this is why your mom doesnt love you
@@SeanBZA They found the bodies before he went on trial for his wife's murder. The bodies weren't found after the conviction, just after he moved out of the apartment.
I can't forget this story, mainly because my brothers name is Timothy Evans. He lived in London, struggled with speech and walking, has cerebral palsy mainly affecting his right foot, missed loads of school to have medical treatment, turned to booze for abit, got blamed for stuff/picked on because he was an easy target, driven by money but struggled to get a job because of his disability, zero common sense! However, he's extremely book smart and studied hard whenever he was bed ridden and as a teenager learnt to write screenplays. Won an award for a short film he directed when he was 16 years old I think. Was a film critic for a few years, the actress Helen hunt wanted to use one of his scripts for a film but it ended up not getting made and he works a normal desk job now but still has hopes of becoming a director
I don't believe in reincarnation but there are some similarities here.
wow the reality that could have been timothy evans life had he not gotten the TB on his foot and get the right education
Oh please🙄
My brothers name is also Timothy Evans. However, we're from southern California. He had hearing trouble when he was young which resulted in a speech impediment for much of his early life. Of course children can be very mean so he was teased pretty mercilessly for it. He did eventually overcome the impediment with speech therapy, but the emotional and social damage was already done. He's now 54 and has never overcome it. What is it with young men and this name? Kind of spooky.
The good ending
It's so cool how you provide real photos of the people, crime scenes and actual audio clips when recordings are mentioned.
Man we live in such a messed up world. Poor Timothy. God rest his soul.
"Posthumously pardoned" is a slap on the face and disrespectful af. It's like, oh wow, now he can be innocent again in the eyes of the justice system that betrayed him and the public that shunned him. Rip Timothy, sorry you got what everybody else deserved
Thats the brittish for you, so when you hear democrat think brittish law becaues thats exactly what that is. And this guy mr baller seems to love the brits.
@@matthewpetersen4417 you are not the sharpest knife in the drawer are you 🙄
@@matthewpetersen4417 do yourself a favor and use a pen name because you sound ridiculous. And can’t even get this man’s name right let alone know what he loves. SMH
@@sarahbeaulieu999 well if you would just expand your little mind you'd understand.
@@matthewpetersen4417 could say the same to you, democrat law? 100% of this videos regarding law is more applicable to the republican party in the current US state. Abortion? Death penalty? Okay dude lmao educate yourself then you can blow me after
People like Timothy are the people we are supposed to get together and protect. He had no one. This really is the saddest story I've watched on this channel.
Timothy was a P.o.S. as well. He got what he deserved.
Timothy is the one who we should “get together and protect”? Not his murdered wife or kid?
@@txellitri Timothy too he was basically mentally challenged. The wife and daughter isn’t the only one who died.
@@txellitri Especially as there is good evidence Evans was indeed guilty.
@@tenacious3911 Source?
This story is just depressing tbh, this poor guy got hung for no reason to protect his “friend” that murdered his wife and kid.😔
27:39 I can just picture John casually picking up a skull in front of the police saying “Can you believe this guy trying to frame me? Pff how ridiculous” while throwing the skull next door 😂🫠 then picks up the leg bone just sets it to the side
I feel so bad for Timothy. My grandfather was of lower intelligence and had a hard time throughout his life. Nothing like this obviously but listening to this it really reminded me of him. Timothy was definitely not perfect but he didn't deserve this. Rest in Peace.
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Timothy is as much a killer as anybody else who murders, inside or outside of the womb.
Sadly, your so right. I'm really sorry that your grandfather struggled during his lifetime. Unfortunately, it still happens to people with low IQ's. I work in mental health and its heartbreaking because these people know they're treated differently. They may have low IQ's but they're certainly not stupid.
Tim Evans basically one of the main reasons we stopped the death sentence comp!eteky in the UK in 1963./ we hung a totally innocent man ..a man whose wife & child had been m urdered & then we say sorry after his death..I dont know the answer but the ddath pe nalty is no deterrent & its estimated in tbe US about 4-10 of all people on death row or have been executed all innocent people lime Tim Evans
@@RobinMarconeCassidyRN Nowadays they have smart pills but only affluent people can afford them for their children. I don't know how much difference they make but combined with other treatments they can probably elevate an IQ like Timothy's to within an average range.
My grandmother treated John Christie whilst she was working as a nurse in London prior to his crimes coming to light, he asked her if she wanted to go out with him later that day - lucky for her (and the rest of us) she turned him down
Ye sure she did
@@marcelacastillo3259 it would be a strange, and quite frankly disrespectful, thing to make up for a few likes on a CZcams comment but whatever
I smell bullshit.
Well, have a nice day regardless
@@dudyrofldudy in what care home was this then ?
This is a really sad story, but the bit at the end about John saying his nose itching and the executioner being like "It won't bother you in a second" made me laugh.
I was once told that Justice system is not about "justice" and that is why a criminal gets to defend himself while the victims simply disappear 🤔.
Money, politics, and more money.
What? Everybody has the right to defend themselves. The only instance where I would bend on that stance is if they were caught red handed with tons of supporting evidence.
You and the person you're quoting are attempting to sound smart, but the implications of said quote are incredibly stupid if you think about it for even a second. It completely misunderstands the foundational principle of most decent justice systems: the presumption of innocence. It advocates for the exact opposite of what is concluded by this video: that you shouldn't just assume who is and isn't a criminal and fall into a confirmation bias.
You let the "criminal" defend himself, because what if he's not actually a criminal? It signifies that, even if we get it wrong and a criminal goes free to commit more crime, that is still more just (or the lesser of two evils if you prefer to phrase it that way) than if we were to execute one who had committed no such crime. No justice system is perfectly flawless, and I would even agree that the justice system isn't about justice depending on the context (because corruption is a thing that exists), but the only profundity of that quote is in how dumb it is.
@@A_Stereotypical_Guy Evidence can be faked...........never trust the system
And if we didn't have the ability to provide a defense when accused by others, there'd probably be A LOT more people wrongfully convicted like Timothy was. Timothy may not have deserved the death penalty, but there are plenty of killers who do. What "human rights" do they have when they go around taking lives?
I feel so bad for Timothy. The poor lad lived such a strenuous life, I wish he was given a second chance to make things better. Hopefully him and his family are resting in peace now.
Life is hard it's harder when you're stupid that's a quote from John Wayne
Ya, most serial killers also have extremly traumatic and difficult lives but... ehh
@@ashtonbull5758 0q
Nah, he might be in hell.
Nice fantasy , as the afterlife isn’t a reality. The afterlife only makes you feel better .
The way you capture how frightening the execution was for Timothy and then it being served the same way to John really demonstrates how powerful of a storyteller you've become. Truly amazing delivery.
Fr, listening to the execution scene had my heart beating faster
This story taught me being smart or at least appearing and carrying yourself in a smart way can give you credibility even if your dishonest. Stay safe everyone.
This guy is the master of telling stories, I have never been intrigued by the way anyone tell stories until this guy showed up and even more knowing it’s based on true events
This is one of the cases, which eventually brought about the abolition of the death penalty in the UK. One other was the case of Derek Bentley, a young man who was hanged, but who never killed anyone, and who was technically in police custody when the killing crime happened. In the Evans/Christie case, the UK government's Home Office, ludicrosly tried to claim that there must have been two murderers living at the same address, rather that face the reality that an innocent man had been executed...
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Very sad
Thats the one where the technicality was he said "let him have it chris" but the meaning of the statement was unclear. I remember doing this in drama and found it rly sad
As I said in an earlier comment reply, how much responsibility should the police accept, because time and again it's clearly down to their rush for results and failure to assess the full picture adequately in a steady rate of time, that are the causes of these heartbreaking injustices. In a time when there was no rolling back the clock because of the death penalty, way too many innocent people lost their lives. Albert Pierrepoint, the last hangman in England, who famously killed Ruth Ellis and Bentley, lived next door to my school friend's family. It was a handed down family trade and he extolled how death was not a deterrent. The fact that the futility of killing so many without that ever preventing a murder, or achieving anything positive, was something that haunted him ultimately.
'An eye for an eye and soon the whole world will be blind' : Mahatma Ghandi.
Hopefully it also contributed to the legalisation of abortion in the following decade
poor Timothy couldn’t catch a break his whole life! can’t imagine the terrible mix of emotions he felt when he learned not only that his daughter was dead but that he’d be the one hanged for it
He probably felt so much guilt over his wife and daughter that he probably thought it was some kind of karma
Literally was thinking about this the entire time. And how sad because he was taken advantage of by someone who knew his weaknesses. His poor wife and his poor baby too... Sometimes it sucks being an empath....
It's clear that Timothy and his family were suffering from too much white privilege
He's burning in Hell anyway for trying to get an abortion...
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Very well done. Thank you.
I grew up with the Christie case - I was too young to understand it, but it was a prominent feature of the 1950s - as were those of Derek Bentley and Ruth Ellis. By the time the Tories were ousted from power, and Labour were in charge, there was quite a large anti-capital punishment movement. Roy Jenkins, the Home Secretary immediately announced a moratorium on executions, and gradually every offence for which capital punishment was the penalty was abolished.
One of the most chilling things about the Evans/Christie affair is that - objectively - Evans was rightly convicted. This isn't a miscarriage of justice where he should have been acquitted. The evidence against him was overwhelming. It is only because we now know that Christie was one of the worst serial killers the UK has ever had that we can say the conviction was almost certainly wrong. A good example of why capital punishment is such a poor thing, and why almost every country has abolished it.
I don't care how busy your hands get when retelling stories, your 'Like' button scenarios separate you from not only the good, but the great. You're kind of a legend, keep up the stellar work, John. Ya got me binging!!
I miss the days when Mr Ballen says
"Thats all we do, and we post 4 to 5 times a week"
The good ole days. Mr Ballen got many of us through lockdown with stories everyday!!
you forgot "if you're a fan of the strange, dark, and mysterious".
@@hoglit282 He still says that 0:44
It's probably better this way -- the quality of the episodes is far better now compared to then.
As much as it sucks, I do appreciate the time. They put so much work in every episode for us!
@@miguelzavaleta1911 If you mean the quality of the background green screen then ok. Although that does not matter as long as the quality of his narrations never changed, they have always been great.
“it wont bother you for long” is the coldest one liner ever 😭
This is exactly why I don't agree with the death penalty. Innocent ppl can be released, you can't come back from dead!
I agree, but exceptions should be made for terrorists. There have been several cases of terrorists being released because they are deemed to have been rehabilitated, only for them to go out on a killing spree again. If they are not executed, then they must be imprisoned on a remote island, without a chance of parole.
The UK has several uninhabited islands off the coast of Scotland, where a prison could be built.
Death penalty in some cases is necessary like in middle east, if you are proven guilty with high degree crimes like rape or murder then you are beheaded with no possibility of getting out of it
I agree with the death penalty for child abusers of every degree.
@@sempretallysmom lock them up for life.
Case in point: the ones who have spent years in prison, later released as proven false testimony was given. Quite a Few cases are documented.
Again I say, you cannot come back from dead!
I forget where I heard this (maybe in the Bible?) that it is better for a thousand guilty men to go free than for one innocent man to be wrongly convicted.
"My nose itches"
"It won't bother you for long."
Damn....
I think the executioner outdid the condemned on that one.
He can scratch it when he gets to Hell.
@@truthseeker2321 I'm positive hell doesn't exist. God, possibly, and maybe a heaven of sorts, but hell as a concept is a human one.
Satan: Dayum they did a number on you with that last one ngl
as last words go its pretty pathetic eh LOL
@@glitch1182 I don't think that either God or Heaven exist, but this is really interesting topic to discuss! I like human psychology, so the concept of Hell is somehow fascinating because of people's need to know and feel like "Justice" is something very real.
MrBallen is a legend at this point. Thank you for quality content every week
He's been a legend for a minute
He's gonna have to change his name soon to unmatched ballen 🧬🏀🏈
His mother soon also. Such a kind soul. If you have seen his updates youve seen it
I would normally hesitate to say “legend” but in this case it’s fair!!
Legend for research and story telling, strange all because there are famous researchers that are never legendary.. Celebrity status I can understand legendary really weird, just too soon. Paul Harvey is legendary.. But only because he earned it.. But Mr. Ballen just isn't there yet..
Timothy is a perfect example of the power of tragedy. I wouldnt be surpised if he never had a happy moment in his life. That was a nightmare.
He did have one bright spot in his life and that was little Geraldine. He believed the sun rose to shine on his baby girl. That is why he gave up all hope when he learned of Geraldine’s death.
Things that Mr. Ballen and fear tube teaches me:
-Corporate greed leads to horror
-Regulation, oversight, worker/consumer protections are almost always the answer
-Poverty/desperation lead to horror
-Government aid programs can avoid horror, except when foiled by temptation from religious cults
-Police are essential to society but when they are lazy or screw up it leads to horror
-No abortion access lead to horrors
-Death penalty leads to horrors
Hmmmmm… lessons of fear tube have a certain pattern
“Wait my nose itches”
“It won’t bother you for long”
That’s what he gets 😂 bastard killed so many and got a man lynched
Right. He got revenge for the Victims including tim
Karma came for his ass lmfao. I'm glad.
Rip to timothy and his family :(
Ngl i would love to befriend that lever puller, sounds so chilled
He was just trying to delay his demise. lol
it is funny
As a child, I listen to fantasy stories to find out what a wonderful world I was born into. As an adult, I listen to true stories to find out how to defend my family against this evil world.
Really glad to hear Tim in Prison
wow! I guess you are right!!
There is much more good than evil otherwise we couldn’t function as a society. The overwhelming majority of us never know anyone that was a victim of a violent crime
Right. Investigate things you're not into, such as the Satanic stuff, Listen to politician you don't like and don't agree with. Preachers preaching wrong. Always good to know where your enemy is from, what they are really about. Be alert. Learned that from my Dear oldest Brother. One day i ask him why was he watching that program? Not an honest program. He said, Always know your enemies and what they are about. I've learned a lot. Pays to pay attention. I'm ve seen for myself how the media lied and distorted stories 30 years ago.
@@lkytmryan Not in my town.. My cousin was murdered in her home. Set up by her husband, she found out about the Drug deals and was going to Report it. Judges, Bankers, Attorneys , Police were all in on it. 40years ago.
My other cousin and husband were murdered in their own home, from a Gang. The gang had tried to rob them at gun point in their mattress store. Her husband pulled a gun and fought back. The crook that was shot survived, got out on bail, got his gang together and went after them! They had worked hard all their life, they weren't born rich. She had taken care of her disabled sister caused by a car accident, for many years untill she died in a house fire!! She also had MS.
An old cousin on disability had his throat cut , killed in his house by a psycho neighbor for his little disability check.
How did my brother die with cirrhosis of the liver when he never drank, very careful about what he eat , taking ,vitamins and being very cautious about being healthy.?? His wife didn't eat the same she fixed for him. God will have His JUSTICE!!
John, as one vet to another. Thank you for your “Great & Heroic” Service!!!
Your a great storyteller too. Don’t let that high school immature bs get you down. You gave more then the ones still active. Thats why your not active and they still are. YOU GAVE MORE !
There is a book written about Timothy's life and death by a person who knew him well. My ex read it and caught him wiping tears a few times. This story is so heartbreaking.
Story Recommendation :
A series of murders took place in Delhi from 1998 to 2007 in which dissembled body parts were found in different areas of the city. The serial killer openly challenged the police department daring them to catch him. A lot of information about this case is available on the internet. The Serial killer was named "the butcher of Delhi".
i second
I third
I fourth
I fifth
I thought he already did that, or at least it was like that
As a dad of 2 girls....I cried for Geraldine. She didn't deserve to die at all.
None of them did except John
Probably the saddest part of this story. The rest is messed up and terrible, but to kill a baby...
I know what you mean. I have 3 daughters myself.
And we keep letting ass holes get away with murder and worse because the person is just good at manipulating our feelings.
Facts!
I've heard, read, and seen this case covered in several different outlets, but never have I heard Timothy's background covered. They only say he had a low IQ. I did wonder when I first heard the baby's name, Geraldine. You had me wondering for a while. Thank you for covering the case from the beginning of Timothy's life and not Christi's. It makes it more heart wrenching and less glorifying of a serial killer. We need more stories covered like this. Keep up the great work.
This is poetic in some way. Timothy lived his whole life thinking that he wasn't worthy, that his life meant nothing cause he was of low intelligence and bad at everything, he died thinking his life had no value at all and that he couldn't accomplish anything in life and everybody hated him.... and then his story, his life, made a change for the better in his country, he changed his country's history, his country's justice system, he made a huge difference but he'll never know what he did and how he made UK more humane with his unfortunate life story. He's an hero but he'll never know.
Nice way of looking at it😁
Very well said.
But his soul is aware.
Heroes are celebrated only when they're long gone
I know it sounds narcissistic...
But ive nearly died several times.
Well, i was inically dead twice. Once for over an hour.
I have health problems and im aware that life is short n there r no guarantees.
So i tell myself that one day Im gonna be remembered for something... idk what. But smthng.
I mean, it gives me hope. And peace. And if Im wrong? Ill never know.
@@inthelandofmorethansmall7582 I'll remember you for this comment
I'm from the UK and have heard this story hundreds of times. Beginning with the incredibly popular movie '10 Rillington Place' starring Richard Attenborough and John Hurt. But not even those great stars have come close to portraying these characters as you have Mr B. Your telling of this story is masterful.
The 2016 mini series was good. Haven't seen the 1971 movie.
Just looked up the trailer…
Yes, he is an amazing story teller and thank you for the movie suggestion I love Richard Attenborough.
Sir Richard creeped me out in that movie.
@@themeantuber i agree
I’ve only recently discovered this channel so I’m binging. I’m British and, like a lot of people, have a morbid fascination with serial killers, so when you were saying things like “John felt empathy for Timothy” I was shouting at my TV “NO HE DIDN’T!” I don’t know why I continued watching because I know the story inside out. There’s a great movie starring Richard Attenborough as Christie, called 10 Rillington Place. You should definitely watch it if you haven’t seen it.
Sometimes life gets so unfair
Poor Timothy. I can’t imagine how hard his life must have been. This is why I like to study the history of disability. If he was homeschooled or able to have accommodations made for him like we have for people today, his life likely would have been completely different.
Or maybe just less lead poisoning, he'd probably be fine now.
There aren’t much “accommodations” made for people who are disabled now. We live in enforced extreme poverty when we are lucky enough to be approved for disability payments. We have to sell property/use savings in order to qualify-sometimes being married was a disqualifications(so the whole family has to become destitute). A monthly payment for a disabled person doesn’t even cover rent averages in most provinces and states.
Poor Timothy-life was not on his side.
@@downhomesunset I don't know where you live but my sister has been living on disability for almost 50 years. She has free housing, free medical, free dental, free vision care, and can afford to smoke cigarettes and drink whiskey! On the other hand, I have worked all my adult life and at 70 I cannot afford to retire. Maybe you should move to British Columbia.
@@FRLN500 I'mma take a shot in the dark & say they're in America. Sounds about right. Side note:: if they (a disabled person/anyone on govt assist) do get free housing, it's not any where you'd want to live.
@@downhomesunset But Timothy lived in the UK. A few years later, the NHS would have been there for him. Sounds like you’re talking about the USA 😳
Only enough evidence to charge him with one murder? There were literally 4 bodies in his apartment that were found right after he moved out. I'm starting to see the problems with their police work.
Those police officers were not exactly Sherlock Holmes, were they!
doesn't matter even if he had 100 bodies under there if theres only proof for one no matter what the cops think they can only try him for one
Right. And he supposedly admitted to the 8 murders. Isn’t that what got Timothy? Lol
@@WolfdogsRescue yea, but a confession still needs proof or motive
@@WolfdogsRescue Timothy had motive
It totally make sense that a WW1 vet became a serial killer. The horrifically gruesome shit he'd have seen in wasteland of no-man's land... there never was, and never will be, a war quite as intensely brutal as the Great War.
Plus, the part where he wanted to "smell the death all around him"... would've also been something he experienced on the front line. Since it was often too dangerous to collect and bury fallen comrades, their corpses would sit out and rot for days or weeks. And due to the extremely static nature of trench warfare, you and your enemies' positions would barely move, if at all.
John:"i gotta find out how to stop this (i have a idea), my nose itches"
Executioner:"not for long"
The moment I heard the name John Christie I know where this story would end. Youre the first to retell this story from the Timothy 's side. Most people just mention him as another one of John's many victims. Poor Tim, Geraldine and Beryl. Rest in peace.
I'm glad we got it from his perspective. Ballen is good about that, I guess that's why he's so fun to watch.
💛🙋🏼♀️YES!! That is EXACTLY what I just said!!! I thought that story was crazy enough but this is just a whole new batch of crazy wrapped in a crazy story! Mr. Ballen is AMAZING! I LIVE HIM!
So true. It was definitely a different perspective.
I'm so pleased that you told Tim's story. He's normally just a sad side note to John Christie's story. Thank you John.
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There is a show on here called “Murder Maps” and I think in this case it may be a 2 episode one but they do one about John Christie and Timothy Evans. Very sad case indeed.
This is one of the most bizarre and terribly sad stories I’ve heard.
Hearing the name "Geraldine" after " "Timothy and Beryl" confirmed I had seen the film adaptation of this true life crime.
The film is called 10 Rillington place and stars the brilliant actors John Hurt as Timothy and Richard Attenborough as John Christie who played their parts so well that anyone would believe they were the real people and not actors.
You really feel for Timothy as it dawns on him that he is being blamed for his families murder and will soon be executed.
Equally, sir Richard is so sickeningly creepy as John Christie that you want to punch his lights out.
If you've not seen it, you should defo look it up.
Mr Ballen's storytelling is accurate to the film adaptation.
Thank you xx
To be fair, Mr. Ballen puts a lot of work into his videos, I'm not sad he doesn't upload 3-5 times a week anymore, I don't want him to burn out. I'd rather have him keep uploading at a pace he is comfortable with so he can continue making great content. He always includes every little detail, even some that are hard to find, he makes sure nothing is missing of the story, as well as then composing those details into great storytelling. I've got so much respect for what he does. This video is great, so many details, as usual. Thank you for all you do Mr. Ballen 👏
So long as we get some videos once in a while.... so long as the podcasts show up sometimes...it'll be okay.
I'm impressed with his ability to speak for so long without his voice cracking, I couldn't do that!
Definitely. I’d rather of quality over quantity.
dont forget that he also has a tiktok and a podcast, and every monday the podcast has a podcast-exclusive episode, which has not been posted on his youtube. really worth to check out in my opinion. the podcast episodes are also 40-50minutes long.
Yeah what she said
Aw man poor Tim. The guy def went thru alot in his pretty short life and then had the misfortune of running into his serial killer neighbor. I hope he can Rip now that the truth is out
Spoiler alert
(100% a joke lol)
He's as much a murderer as the serial killer. He got what he deserved, and one day all murderers of unborn children will be served justice.
@ahhhcool sick f*ck
I don’t think he’d be aware of the truth coming out. He’d be resting in peace regardless
I love how you tell these cases because sometimes I really think I haven’t heard of it then by the end I’m like oh I knew this case! Lol so it’s refreshing to hear about the victims instead of the murderers. 💜
“Wait, my nose itches!” “It won’t bother you for long.” 😂😂😂
This one was just heartbreaking. Those photos of Timothy in police custody are so sad once you know the truth of his story. He lost everything... EVERYTHING. Far out. This story really got me Mr Ballen. 😞
He was all put and about while his wife was getting smashed
Yeah his own fault!! He wants to kill his unborn child and an abortion goes from a baby being killed to 4 people killed... Smh poor children!! 😔
I knew from the intro what case this was going to be - my grandmother lived just round the corner from Christie and he had been in her house when he was a blackout officer during the war. She told this story all the time when I was growing up. Thanks for the nostalgia, she always approached it from the victims' perspective too, as much as was possible.
Ooh, how interesting. Thank u for sharing. 🙂
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As soon as Mr Ballen said “wallpaper”, I guessed which case it was. My grandmother also lived in London and she followed this case and queued up to get into the public seating at the courtroom. She told me about this case when I was a child. I understand the council knocked down the apartment house so it would not become a tourist attraction.
@@Woodman-Spare-that-tree I read somewhere that they demolished 10 Rillington place and is now an empty spot
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Wow!!! What a story, how sad but I’m so glad even after passing, he had the opportunity to clear his name.
I really enjoy listening to you narrate these cases, I’m a visual person and the way you narrate them, makes it really easy to visualize 🥰 thanks,
Incredibly passionate retelling of this horrific story Mr Ballen. Much respect 🙏
I feel so gutted thinking about Timothy living in those terrible prison conditions, likely preyed upon by actual killers and criminals, treated as trash by the prison staff, all while living with the pain of all he lost.
It turns my stomach to think about everything that happened here.
He still abused his wife and was physically agressive so
He was in the condemned cell. He didn't interact with others. Punishment was swift in England. Not 20 years on Death Row like some Countries.
@@chrisbentleywalkingandrambling
Whether there 1 day or 2000, the old hardened residents with longer stays exacted a toll on him in one way or another. You can bet on that. Even just a menacing stare from a beastly murderer as Timmy was being processed could’ve been enough to make him have a mental breakdown.
Surely he interacted with guards too which, according to the way Mr B Allen portrayed them handling inmates before execution, would be quite traumatic and terrifying. Surely they didn’t take much care when bringing them in and booking them at the start of the ordeal either. Knowing you were innocent and still being treated as some caged animal ready for slaughter from start to finish would be horrific. I stand by what I said.
@@Mustang_Dan the condemned person was accompanied by two Prison Officer to the Death Cell. They had zero contact with other prisoners and were even in their exercise yard alone. Two Prison Officers were in the double cell with the condemned for 8 hour shifts 24 hours a day. The condemned was not mistreated during this time as there was no greater punishment. At least the UK has done away with executing their prisoners. Like the narrator said, he was a victim of his own lying unfortunately. The USA used death by hanging until 1996. Death was instantaneous as there was a drop table which calculated weight of condemned and distance of drop needed. Prior to this a lot of people didn't die from the drop but from asphyxiation.
Honestly, if I found out my wife and child were murdered, I probably wouldn't want to live anyways.
whole story is literally heartbreaking💔 timothy was taken advantage of by both the police and john and didnt even know how to defend/protect himself in this situation
agreed
I don't feel sorry for the woman though, she wanted to murder a child.
@@covahredro8370 Timothy wanted to murder his child too.
@@covahredro8370 You gotta be joking they were clearly in poverty and having that child wouldve caused all sorts of problems for them and decreased their quality of living for the other child they were raising. Contraception wasnt popular then and the pill didnt even exist what are they supposed to do
@@covahredro8370 u bein fr?
Usually I hate story/Reddit channels but this is the one channel I love. the story telling is amazing and isn’t just low quality repeating a story from Reddit.
The truly sickening thing is that many people disregard the plain and blatant murdering of the precious unborn child and call this act simply a medical procedure. Murder is always wrong.
The helplessness for Timothy in this video, is beyond any human’s expectations. Rest in peace Mr. Timothy and his family plus all the victims of that murderer, john.
The fact that he went on killing more people even after the innocent man’s execution, is itself horrifying.
I was literally going to punch my phone on the side where he showed john’s picture after he told that john’s the real killer but not Mr. Timothy.
This is why I will never support the death penalty Unless a judicial system is perfect which it can't be, the death penalty is barbaric and inhumane and no society should consider itself civilized it enacts capital punishment.
There's plenty of modern day examples of innocent people being put to death here in the United States, it would be nice if MrBallen did an episode on on one of these.
That was infuriating. 🤬 What a low life.. It's hard to fathom being that soulless to enjoy torturing to death a helpless woman and her child and your supposed best friends wife and child at that 🤦 Unbelievable.
@@EJ-74 men too
@@tonyisnotdead men too ??? Not sure I understand or did you mean to say me too 🤔
Thank you for victim-focused storytelling. There are so many serial killer documentaries that focus mostly on the perpetrator, and only briefly discuss the lives that were taken. I get that the number of murders, and the sick person responsible for them are what draws attention to these cases & these shows, but it always seems unfair to breeze past the individual victims' lives & their families' losses unlike other true crime stories simply because there's not enough time due to the body count. I think it's far more meaningful, and respectful, to really know the victims than it is to know the murderer in cases like these. I came to this realization years ago from coverage of mass shootings. Almost all of these mass murderers/serial killers are looking for the shock & horror response that will forever be associated with their names - they enjoyed killing and they love the idea of notoriety. We should stop assuming that the association of evil with their name is going to make them feel bad for what they did... because they do not think like normal people, nor do they feel shame for their despicable acts being known to everyone.
It's why I don't think it's helpful for the media to repeatedly say the perpetrators' names...that negative attention doesn't deter others from seeking similar notoriety. Instead, for every time their name is necessary to mention, the names of the victims should also be mentioned. It's the only way to honor the victims and deny the perpetrators (dead or alive) the satisfaction they sought.
Remember: mass/serial murder victims are more than a number in a body count. They are humans with lives, stories, dreams, passions, gifts, and loved ones. It's never a waste of time to learn about the individual victims' lives, and hear the stories shared by their loved ones.
Thanks, MrBallen.
THIS! This comment right here hits my heart and soul hard! Thank you for focusing on the victims. They are not just another statistic. They, like you said, are humans with lives, stories, dreams, passions, gifts, and loved ones. They deserved so much more respect and time.
This is why I really like MrBallen's content. He focuses on the victims, not just the killers.
Couldn’t agree more.
Thats the problem with the world the murderer should get no recognition for their misdeeds...
That's why I'm drawn to MrBallen!
I completely agree with u except when you're talking about serial killer documentaries (not podcasts or specific vids such as Mr. Ballens etcs) the information isn't meant to focus even partially on the victims. A documentary is meant to focus on that one person/thing specifically without wavering and telling the stories of other people even if they're part of it.
For eg.
If there was a documentary about you they wouldn't mention you're cousins, teachers, friends (maybe best friend's or people you talk to and confide in frequently), they'd focus specifically on your routine and lifestyle because that's what documentaries do.
I just wanted to say that but i agree with everything else u said. The victims should be given more attention because they're not just some unfortunate people, they're people who lost their lives because someone decided to kill them and that's and unfortunate thing that can honestly happen to anyone
OMG every detail about this story is tragic. That you for sharing this Mr Ballen.
I always watch mr ballen every time I fold our clothes or anytime that I’m free. Loving your stories from Philippines 🇵🇭
Same. I feel kind of weird about it lol. But for some reason these stories are relaxing. Idk.
My wife loves the fact that I can clean the whole kitchen while listening to his stories lol
Watching from Cebu, maayong adlaw 👋
I feel so bad for Timothy and Beryl. Not having the words to express yourself is hard enough without everything else adding onto it.
@@samuelharwood7835 🤣 right!? It would be so much easier that way! While I definitely am both of those things, it's actually a nickname I got during one of my hospital stays. A nurse asked what was wrong, and I jokingly said "I'm a disaster" and explained my heart conditon and other issues. Someone said "You're not necessarily a disaster, you're just delicate." After that the nurses called me their delicate disaster lol. I figured it made a good profile name. 🤷🏻♀️
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What about Geraldine and her unborn sibling... The only two victims in this story
@@alejandrorenovatio9736 you think Tim wasn't a victim here? Seriously?
Someone who seeks to kill their own unborn child is not innocent... not at all
I LOVE how you just get straight to the point with the story. No faffing around. Pure, intriguing content. Appreciate all your work, my friend. Legend
this is legit the most satisfying ending i've heard
10 Rillington Place - John Christie was a lunatic. I watched this on cable as a kid in the late 70s. It was the first time I'd ever heard of a serial killer.
I have heard others tell the same stories you have, and nothing compares to the level of detail you put into them. You almost feel like you're there. Love your work, keep them coming! 😁👍
it's because he makes all the details up.. like when he talks about how the people are feeling and so on, it's fiction
@ahhhcool ?...ur unnecessarily unnerving
The chapter is better
@@christianromero6604 I reported their page and comments. It’s so disgusting what people do for attention
@@maryjane4432... I did too. There are so many from this username.
I remember my mum telling me about this when I was younger and told me that when it was hanging day that when you would have to go past the prison it was a very depressing atmosphere and everyone was very quiet and she remembered when executions were stopped mainly because of massive mistakes which lead innocent men and women to the gallows and a few years after her older brother ended up marrying a woman who's father was involved in the executions and from what I heard about him is that he was a very cold and hard faced man who didn't actually care about the fact that many innocent people were effectively murdered because of botched police work and my mum ended up telling him exactly what she thought of him and that wasn't very much. The UK has got a long history of botched police work that lead to this happening.
thats not the hangmans problem ! his job is to carry out the sentence on behalf of the people
True it is his job to carry out the executions but that does not mean you should have no empathy for the innocent people who were executed. That's the same as the Nazis saying they were just following orders when massacring men, women, and children
I'm sure he had empathy at one time, but it's not a joyful job to kill someone, so it would eventually wear anyone down and harden their emotions.
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I know what you're trying to say here and it's a good thought... but a comparison between a hangman and a Nazi soldier who committed war crimes is totally off.
For your future reference, you don't need to make any comparisons to justify your comment because you're very capable of getting your point across without one.
(That is a compliment)
I mean, I guess that's just what happens when your job is to literally kill people on a regular basis. Kinda hard to deeply care about human lives and at the same time continue kill people day in day out just because someone somewhere came to the conclusion that those people should die. Sooner or later the executioners will be forced to give up either their empathy or their job.
MrBallen is heaven sent... love the story telling although some stories can be horrific like this one.
“It won’t bother you for long.” That goes hard
As soon as Christie was introduced, I guessed that he was not all that he seemed to be, for one glaring reason: Why would a man described as "intelligent" and "well-respected", a WW1 vet, a retired police constable and former postal clerk, be living in this squalid, dangerous neighborhood (That the Evanses were only forced to live in because they were poor)? I could think of only two possible reasons: Either Christie also had money problems, or, the area and building they lived in were especially conducive to whatever secret life Christie was hiding...
Great catch!
I was thinking the very same thing.
Good point. I thought it seemed odd that he was living there too.
I asked the same question. The immediate thought I had was about cops who retire to areas where they worked. I then asked "why this particular apartment if it was so bad?" Since the actual inside of that ground level apartment had not actually been described yet and given that my experience with 3 story buildings is that the worst tends to be at the top, was that the bottom was a lot better than the one Timothy had been in (and its not like retired cops make a ton of money).
It was not until the actual description at the end combined with the move (why move if so respected? was the basic question) that anything stood out.... and all of this is due to the way it was being told.
Due to the way the story was told, if those were indeed flags, they were yellow caution flags, not red or black flags.
Wow sharp :)
So let me get this straight, they didn't have enough evidence to convict John on the other women's murder eventhough he confessed AND their bodies were crammed into a crawl space but they were able to convict this poor guy?
My reaction as well
Unbelievable!!
This goes wwaaaaaayyyy beyond incompetence on the part of the " police " .
@@NotChefCook But there's many cases where men have killed their families due to debt or even because of fear that their long held secrets would get out. I'm sure even back then, when a woman dies, the first person you look at is her husband. I'm sure no one back then (including Timothy) thought that he and his family would be victims of a psychopathic killer. That being said, you're still right!
That's what I'm saying!!! Like, how is there not enough evidence? They were in HIS crawl space, murdered and assaulted the same way as his wife??