How to Quarter Saw Lumber, The Old Way? Or the New Way?
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- čas přidán 5. 09. 2024
- This is a complete discussion of the many ways to Quarter Saw Lumber from Logs on a Sawmill. We will look at the Old Traditional Quarter sawing method and then look at new more efficient ways to saw lumber.
Thank you George, no one has ever made quarter sawing more understandable.
Thanks for the nice comment.
George, thank you for taking the time to educate the sawyer community.
The Most Awesome Explanation-Demonstration About Quarter Sawing Lumber !!!!
It's always nice when an old-tmer takes the time to share what they know about something. Thank you mister.
If THIS Ole timer can completely understand This Master Class Lesson in Quarter Sawing.. Well.. One ..Its a Miracle and Two.. Mr George put together a most Thoughtful and unique way of explaining through outstanding props using a section of tree and showing you in a concise way how to judge and cut the log in sections in the quickest way to give you that percise vertical grain and expose fleck for the best quarter sawing results utilizing a majority of log with the least amount of waste.Outstanding!
I watched this video and my dad and I just milled up about 2000bf of quartersawn white oak lumber today. It's a manual mill so the labor savings this video/method provided was appreciated
I have watched a few video on this subject and never understood it very well. I don't think I am an expert, but feel I could talk to someone and understand it more. So far your the best teacher on this subject. Thank you very much.
Thanks for the nice comment. This is a hard subject to understand. To school yourself try this, it helped me to understand quarter sawing...
take a round cutoff from the end of a log, then with a marker sketch out the circular grain pattern of the log end. then with a different color marker sketch out the possible quarter sawed boards. this helps you get the cuts straight in your mind before cutting the log.
Subscribed, also, there are people in this world who will work for lumber, don't need an hourly, need lumber for an chicken house and also a dog kennel my wife has politely asked for. So I made a deal with a friend of mine who owns an old time mill powered by a Detroit diesel that powers a quite large circular blade. We get his orders done, then we get my boards for the honey do list. Perfect!
And actually, I feel like I get the better end of the deal, I mean my friend has taught me more than I ever dreamed about creating lumber. From tree in the woods to corner stacking boards! What a feeling of independence making boards gives a man, amazing.
Great video!
Beginning woodworkers often come out and help me cut trees and saw logs into lumber just to see how its done. Once they have some proficient, I trade lumber for work helping me.
@@georgewoodoftexas3509 It is exciting working a mill.. Thanks for replying and I hope everything is well with you and yours. Good day.
Appreciate your time and your explanation.
I can see the time savings in your demonstration.
Great video. Easy to understand. Much more efficient cutting style.
Now i understand quarter sawing much better. No expert here by any means, it just was always confusing to me. Its like quarter round molding, out of a closet rod 1-3/8" round and quarter it, BUT the direction of the grain of the wood is everything, as far as strength and not warping. TY George great video you made it simple tyo understand. From SE Texas Bear
Don't "throw away" those corner cut-offs. Bias grain is great for posts and table legs. Cut those to square stock. (4X4, 6X6, 8X8, etc.).
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Thank you for the tip. God bless.
Yes, amen to that! It's still stable beautiful wood!
Just make sure to cut oversize and resquare as it dries, coz it will "diamond" on you, if mot already at desired moisture content. But yes. Definitely great FOHC lumber.
That's what I was thinking
Great explanation!
Thanks for the time and much energy you gave to us!!!
George, I watched your whole video because I found the comparison valuable as a new sawyer. Thanks for taking the time to educate. I am not aware of any videos that analyze the two methods directly. The thumbnail expressed the intent of your video clearly.
Thanks for the nice comment. I have several other video's on sawmilling and using a very large chainsaw mill to cut lumber and large slabs that you may be interested in. Press George Wood of Texas by the title to see them. happy sawing.
Sir, thank you for the tip on quarter sawing. I’m going to remember this method.
Your welcome, hope it helped to understand this method.
Thank you for your trouble. It doesn’t get better in explanation. Keepin it simple, and not over complicating it, made it enjoyable.❤️🇺🇸
probably one of the best explanations I have seen on this
Fantastic tutorial on quarter sawing using the two different techniques! I'm glad I'm only milling for my own personal use and don't have to waste so much wood because of the labor costs involved. Because of that, I will only be quarter sawing for my own specific projects, making the extra effort worth my time. Thank you sir!
All whiskey barrels are made with quarter sawn white oak. With a resaw I can cut a log as fast as any other way. Stave mills have been doing it this way for fifty yrs.
Watching you is like watching my grandpa explain what he was doing when I was a kid. This is wonderful.
You've cleared up a lot of questions that I had. Thank you.
George this video was VERY informative for me I thought I knew what quarter sawn meant, now I know for sure thank you!
Man, I learned a lot. I've got some logs laying in the yard that I plan on sawing up. Never done it before and I'm searching on how to do it. This showed me quite a bit! Thanks for taking the time.
Thanks for the nice comment.
Thanks George for the great video. I'm in the island state of Tasmania, Australia where we have Tasmanian Oak, a eucalyptus. It grows on my father's 80 acre property. We've had issues with it warping straight off the bandsaw mill. So my Dad and I are going to see if quarter sawing prevents this. Cheers.
That was a very well done explanation on quartering logs on a bandmill. Having the visual is a must. I learned this process 35 years ago when I bought my first Wood Mizer. And I've been explaining the process to customers ever since, often with a stick in the dirt. (your way is better) My general rule is the log should be around 21" at the small end to make it worth while. On really big logs around 30" I actually find I can quarter saw almost as fast as I can grade saw. Once you make the first few wide cuts the rest of the cuts are generally 12" or less allowing me to increase my speed rate dramatically while not putting as much stress on the blade.
On a side note, have you every tried living off of minimum wage ? I believe in Texas it's $7.25. Or $58 a day. $290 a week. You run a sawmill. There are no easy jobs around a sawmill. Which one of those jobs would you do for $58 a day?
Yep ,just a good Ole capitalist from Texas,$15.00 bucks an hour woo hoo, don't think about the low wage earners trying to live
Very, very, good video NOW, Go get yourself a Cold One, you've earned it my friend.
You get the award for the best comment in weeks. Thanks
Excellent tutorial I’ve been doing the same simply because my saw has the smaller throat. Thanks for taking the time to share!
Thank you so much for explaining this! I’ve never understood how quarter sawn wood was made!
Still over my head but it's late . Will watch again in the morning after coffee .
Came across this when trying to find out how to get rid of a body. You wouldn't think it would be helpful, but it was a great help. Thanks so much!
Use the throw away corner pieces to produce rift sawn wood with is really useful for table legs. The grain is straight on two sides visible of the leg.
Best explanation/demonstration I have seen of the quarter sawn concept
Excellent instructor, I understood every word. Thanks.
Here's the Quarter Saw Savant in action. Thank you for sharing.
Thanks, that was a lot easier to absorb than watching the same process on a full size log. Which leads to better retention and recall. AAA+++ Plus your presentation was well thought out and very enjoyable. Thanks, again.
Fantastic! This video was an eye-opener about sawmilling. It's astonishing to watch the skillful processing of these large logs. This video is exceptionally clear and well-produced. I can't wait for your next upload. Keep producing such fantastic content!
Thank you, I've built things out of cornerstone lumber but really never know how they achieved that. Good job of explaining it
more efficient with more lumber of the same size. great idea. if I ever need to get larger pieces, I'll need to charge more for the extra labor. Great tutorial, thanks
Thank you Mr Wood, what a thoughtful and thorough video. I’ll watch it 3 or 4 times and maybe grasp a fraction of the knowledge you possess. I imagine we would learn just cleaning up your shop for you, thank you for making this video : )
Watched your video because I love antique furniture made with tiger oak and now I understand about the additional expense of furniture made with tiger oak thanks so much
Thanks George. That was well done. I finally understand quarter sawn and how to do it.
I did the last method for my master's piece. Went out great.
Everything I know about quarter sawing lumber is in this video.
Thanks
Very nice presentation George, very helpful, and thank you for the effort you put into this!
Great video. I’m a newbie and it made this term quartersawn understandable to me. Thank you.
Excellent demo. Thank you. You answered a lot of my questions. Demonstrating on cookies worked well. They may be heavy, but not near as heavy as a 30 inch diameter log 12 feet long.
Great job George. Perfectly explained
All wannabe utube cookie seekers need to watch and learn from this perfect video.
Great video. I like the way you explained the shortfall of using bandsaws with a short throat height. The second method suits most bandsaw mills. Thanks for sharing.
I finally got a chance to assemble my mill about a month ago and have milled just about every evening since then. It was all pine for my fence up until this week when I cut down a 30" box elder and milled slabs out of it. Friday I cut down 2 30"+ red oaks and I'm going to try my hardwood introduction by quarter sawing a 30" x 8' section today which will max out my mill. I'm going to watch your video on cutting a log to fit a mill. I own a tree service and have a collection of larger logs so none of these trees were cut down for the wood.
Thanks!
keep up the good work.
George, I am a newcomer to your site. You are a clever man, a very interesting subject. Well done.
Thanks for the kind words, keep watching more to come. Because of the many things I do, I only have time to produce about one video a month.
Thank you for your time. Always wanted to know the difference.
Thank you so very much for the information. I restored a vintage circle saw sawmill years ago and only hobby cut at times on it. I am now planning to restore a vintage northeast lobster boat and plan to cut a new keel for it out of white oak and quarter saw cut the keel lumber. This video helps me in calculating the best location to cut the keel out of the log cant. Thanks again and I plan to continue watching your videos.
Thanks very much for the nice comment and keep up the woodworking.
Thank you, learned a lot. You laid it out very straightforward
Thank you for posting this video. I am getting into milling and this is the video I needed to see to maximize the beauty of some oak I have.😁
I guess we have to take in to consideration that back years ago when logs were first harvested that the trees were of greater diameter and plentiful, waste was never an issue. So you get more quarter sawn out of a log. I also viewed a movie on how they only cut a few boards out for quarter sawn lumber, then cut the rest as basic lumber.
You are right. The demand for quartersawn lumber is low, only about 5% of the lumber I produce is quarter sawed because that's all the request I receive for it. In woodworking the only time, you need to use quartersawn lumber is when you make thin desktops or other surfaces that are not supported by cross grain supports. the one great value of quartersawn lumber, because the grain runs at a 90 degrees angle to you flat project, it does not warp or get unlevel at the joints over time. As for the waste, just because you quarter saw a log does not mean that the offcuts cannot be used for a verity of other woodworking projects and there are many. Thanks for the comment
@@georgewoodoftexas3509 that blows my mind because I thought quartersawn was "cream of the crop" so to speak. I figured everyone would want it. I can only assume that the demand is low because the price is high. When I go to my local supplier I can't afford to blow my entire check on premium quartersawn material if I can try to get by with the $5.50/bd.ft. flatsawn ash, lol
@@ARMYStrongHOOAH17 Yes quartersawn lumber is more expensive because of the extra work and time it takes to produce it. I handle a lot of unusual wood cuts, lumber and slabs. I find it very interesting the many projects woodworkers turn my lumber into. So chose the right cut or lumber for the project. Thanks for the comment.
Ty for sharing! I came up with a way as well. You start by cutting 1" off the center of the log. Then take the larger section and cut 2" back from your last cut . Then flip the log cutting a 4" section from the side of the log right and left. This depends on size of the log then continue to cut the remainder quarter cut. The other side Very much the same other then you start 1" from your last cut.
Good for you. It seems the more I saw logs the more new and easy ways I find to do it. Keep experimenting, its fun to try new things.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge and video.
Used this method on a 30" and 27" red oak x 8' logs new to sawmilling it worked great. Have an ez boardwalk 40, home made 40" log arch and a homemade 3 point hitch hydraulic winch with over 500 ' of cable pull the wind blown over logs out of inaccessible ravines in WV . Greatly appreciated the wealth of knowledge from these videos keep up the good work thanks
Thanks for the nice comment.
Thanks for the explanation George. I've got some cedar and sycamore that are 27"+ and this will help us get the most out of it.
Thank you for sharing your wisdom,I’m guessing you have been at it for a lot of years.
I do appreciate your thorough explanations. For a sawmill wanna-be, myself, I often ponder ways to set a log on the mill without a forklift, come-along, leveraging or jacking. Winch, perhaps. I'm sure there is a simple method, I'd enjoy the confidence in knowing an easy and efficient way before purchasing one. Thanks again for sharing your knowledge.
Just trying to help, as others have helped me understand sawmilling over the years
This is probably the best quarter sawn video out there!!
Thinks, keep up the good woodworking
You did a great job explaining the process. Another old way on a circle mill is to put your pie-shaped pieces on the carriage with the point of the pie up and centered then slab off, it'll be about 90% quarterback. I run a circle mill and that's how I do it whenever I need to get quartersawn. It works real well, I'm not sure how you hold it on a band mill, maybe put a 2×4 under the pointed side until you have made a couple of cuts then just turn over. Something to think about.
Lee Gibbs sawyer, gunsmith, and machinist
In woodworking and sawing there is often more than one way to achieve results. There is a difference in how you would hold a log for quarter sawing on a round blade mill various a bandsaw mills various a chain saw cutting. My normal routine is to try all the ways I can think of then chose the one that is the most efficient. Thanks for the great comment.
This is gold and just what I have been looking for thank you
Thank you for the great lesson on an easier way to cut quarter sawn boards. A lot of my logs are bigger than 40" across
Great vlog young fella! I got an education this evening, much appreciated...😊
I have watched sawmill programs and been totally baffled as to when and why they kept flipping and turning the log for what seemed no good reason. I did not realise they had a reason and a plan as to what the were trying to produce.
I will go back to these programs and see if I can now make more sense of what they are doing.
Can't say much about a smart way of doing things; other than makes sense to me. Thanks for the time and effort to make this video. (JF)
Your videos are the most informative and helpful
Thank you for sharing.
Good demo. One thing you need to consider with a band saw is the depth of cut (throat) on a lot of band saws is only 8 to 10", so quartering a log more than 20" diameter on the mill isn't feasible. I've quartered many 40+ inch diameter sycamores with a chain saw just to maximize the quarter sawn grain. Worth it, I assure you! That angled grain from the corners is "rift" sawn, and furniture makers will also pay a premium for that, because it shows the same grain pattern on all 4 sides of a square table leg.
This was a great help I am definitely doing this next time I quarter saw ...Thank You!!
Learned a ton. Canting the log into four pieces makes since. Thanks 🙏
Did a nice job in the video in presenting your information I just want you to know that I got a book that shows this that’s very old so you’re not the first one that came up with it but I think you explained it eloquently
you make a great argument for a swing mill
Swing mills have their usefulness in cutting 2x4 & 2x6's. their limitation is how big a saw blade they have since you can only cut boards about 1 1/2" less than the radius of the blade. Thanks for the great comment.
Thank you George Wood! I will use your technique this week when doing my first quarter sawing!
Awesome! Thanks for the lesson
Thanks this was helpful. On why they did it the old way, If we are talking 18th century I suspect they were quartering large logs using wedges (splitting rather than sawing) to make it easier to get wood onto the sawmill using human power and to deal with the amount of cutting power they had available.
Great information,going to make a table top, thank you.from Cape Bretoner Canada
Great info. I’m new and this was really interesting. I didn’t know quarter sawn was more stable. I just thought it looked better is all. Thanks!
Not just faster but you get more money out of the log. Thanks for the explanation.
Nice job, thanks for your time and effort!
I feel like you need to watch my how to make piano wood video George. I make lots of perfect quarter sawn lumber out of logs with a bandsaw mill. I have spent many many hours figuring out how to get as much quarter sawn out of a log as possible. Your second method was close, but not quite fully optimized.
Thank You! I learned a lot. I have been wanting to 1/4 saw on my smaller mill. The old way would have been too much time. I now look forward to trying your method.
Mark where the ring angle approaches 45%, excellent!
You are a genius!!
Great information. Really appreciate the experience from you guys that have been doing this for a long time. Thank you sir!!!
Thank you George! This video is a big help and I appreciate you taking the time to explain this as well as you did. Makes so much sense now.
great video
George you are a great presentor on this subject, learned a ton from this video and I don't even wood work, but you did an excellent job.
Ps you could of done the same on a 15 in slab as your large piece and used a 10 in slab as the smaller for the example, would of demonstrate the same principle, and would of been easier for you to manage the piece for the video. It is scalar for the discussion and reason why!
Looking forward to your other videos, so we'll done George!
Steven Columbus Michigan
could of?
Yes, but if I used a smaller piece of wood to demonstrate with, would you have been as impressed? Thanks for the comment.
I saw a guy recently with two big saw blades running at 90 degrees through the log at the same time. Was incredibly cool, the tolerances must be so precise to do that.
its called a swing mill. good for cutting 2x4 & 2x6
I use a small Alaskan mill on my chain saw to mill lumber.
I’ve got a good size oak down in the woods next to me. The neighbors said to cut it up for firewood if a I want it.
I just might quarter saw it instead.
Great block of instruction!!
Thank you for your knowledge and time, very skillful!
Brilliant! Thank you sir
EXCELLENT EXPLAINATION !!!
Thanks for the info
Thank you, sir
Another one, outa the park!
Awesome video! Very well done. Thank you.