@@skepticsinister Ok, now what 😆. It is not like I am competing with him or something, I made my video, he interacted with it, that's all I see, nothing like "destroy,disassemble.." or whatever terms you are using there, calm down bro.
@africandawahrevival of course, you don't think you got destroyed. There is no need to compete for his response video to put holes in all your bs. Of course it isn't a competition. To compete, you actually have to have a chance, and you don't. Pitting fantasy time mythology against logic is anything but a chance.
@@africandawahrevival "whereas everyone is in some cult, it takes great intelligence to see it tho" Or arrogance. No: Not being in a cult is as much of a cult, as not riding a bike is a sport.
@africandawahrevival oh the great drag you down to my level dodge. The sad pathetic attempt to pretend you are in the same boat as the person who disagrees with you so you can then deflect away from the idea that you are not using logic and actual reasoning but circular reasoning and calling it logical. Wanna know one reason I hate philosophy? The idea of evidence in philosophy is to use the same argument you just used as evidence for itself. Just alter some words and phrases. Of all the times one argues with an arrogant religious philosopher who cites, they have empirical evidence of god, just to play bait and switch with the scientific definition of evidence with the moron version from philosophy. Who then, of course, claims they won the day for god because of their underhanded ploy. It's funny how you righteous types always have to resort to such tactics in a sad attempt to believe you won an argument. Which points at the hole in your argument of belief as it shows how pretending you are right is not the same as being right and is detrimental not beneficial.
@africandawahrevival here you go miss using another word again. Cult a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object. People who tend to be smart tend not to fall into such practices..... skeptical people as well because they trust far less than you would need to have veneration for a thing
Obviously, I CAN believe in a god without being certain. I also can NOT believe in a god without being certain. The question is, WHY would I want to believe in something that is probably not true? For those of us who actually care about reality more than our feelings, there is absolutely no reason to try and force myself to believe something I believe is false. I would either have to already believe it's true, or want to believe it for some utilitarian reason. Thing is, every single benefit of religion can be duplicated by living in a secular community, without the requirement of believing in fairy tales. So I have no desire or need for an emotional crutch to get me through life; I just grew some balls and dealt with it myself.
Ah, that old Red Queen argument. ;) 'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.'
"Have you tried?" Yes. It doesn't work. The best you can do is pretend to believe. Now, if we are talking about a Christian or a Muslim god, the very idea of such a God is completely incoherent for me, so I can be actually certain that such Gods do not, in fact, exist. I'm not saying no one can posibly convince me otherwise, but until someone does, that's my position.
@@africandawahrevival "Keep trying" I have bertter uses for my time, thank you. "he has some interesting take on this" Not really. Pascal's wager is especially stupid.
@africandawahrevival Have you read anything of substance and not just biased bs not based in fact? All these bs philosophers are pointless. You might as well be pushing books by apologists while telling people to go to creationist websites like Ken Hamm's
@@africandawahrevival Have you read anything of substance and not just biased bs not based in fact? All these bs philosophers are pointless. You might as well be pushing books by apologists while telling people to go to creationist websites like Ken Hamm's
Let's say what you said here about "belief" is all correct. So you don't have to be certain that your personal existence ends with your death, that the universe is uncreated, that there is no God. You can believe all that without being certain. So... why don't you?
@@africandawahrevival Well... if that was the pont of your video, I might have completely misunderstood it. From all the stuff you said there, one might get the idea that you wanted people to believe in some specific things.
@@africandawahrevival Ah, ok. Well... you would be wrong here. They can't. That's why they don't believe. Belief is not based on intent. It's based on conviction.
I have evidence sufficient for my belief, that same evidence my not convince you, so, maybe another one will, in philosophy, there is an entire discussion about what counts as evidence or proof, just study some epistemology
@@africandawahrevivalOh that is perfect. Then you can surely provide that evidence so we can investigate it ourselves and thus accept your religion. Right?
@@bass-dc9175 you are missing the point, the point is not the quantity of evidence, whoever is not going to be convinced, won't be, even if the evidence is staring them in the face
I don't like the perspective of "Try to believe" because I don't actually have a reason to want to believe, nor am I convinced. This applies to all religions; I don't have a reason, I'm not convinced, and I don't want to. If I was convinced, maybe I would believe in it. But I'm not convinced, and so I won't bother trying.
Ok, that's what I said in the video, however, if you are an existentialist, or you reached a nihilistic position, I could then persuade you to try to believe, for you have nothing anyway.
Since there are many religions out there, non-believers have to make a decision. That decision can either be done by reasonable approach (spending time learning about each religion to find out which is best) or just picking one randomly. But since atheism and agnosticism are also options, why would we WANT to believe? Why would we want to become something else? I see no reason at all. However, i suppose that your video is meant for those that already made that decision and want to believe, but for some reason they "cannot force themselves to start believing". Is it possible for them to change? Well, if God exist, then he can help them - just pray for faith and God will give faith. Simple as that.
My point is to those who want to believe, have what I called the will to believe, that they can believe without being 100% certain, that it is ok, for those who don't have that will, well they won't believe anyway. Now, one might ask, why believe at all?, I say it is mostly to deal with existential issues, mythology helps us live in a nihilistic world.
@@africandawahrevival Belief is not a matter of choice. You are either convinced by a proposition or you are not, there's no choice involved. I cannot force myself to believe in something that I find unconvincing.
@@curious5661 Yeah, you are right partially, I agree that most of our beliefs are by convictions, however, there are other we can ascend to by trust and endorsement
@@curious5661 Ok, sure: 1) When you trust the person saying something without being a direct witness yourself, let's say your brother telling you that there is a snake in the garden 2) when you have two beliefs each of which are both plausible, and you kindof have let's say 50/50, so you chose one of them, by endorsement
What this sounds like is, you should hang out with church goes, because hanging with a group of people will rub off on you. Well maybe in high school unless your a week willed person that never grew out of that. Do you think that that is what most people are like or is it just because that's what the theists you hang around are like?
You will hangout with some other group eventually, which will rub itself on you, like an atheist or humanist group for instance, which are all mythologies, but only the intelligent can see this 😏
@@africandawahrevivalOk so yeah, you haven't grown out of high school clicks and you aren't self confident in yourself to stop being a social chameleon for validation. Got it.
@@Blahblah-il2dv Believe whatever you want mate, we can take the camel to the water, but it doesn't mean he will drink, like I said, only the intelligent can see it, if you think you are free of all and any group rubbing itself on you, you are delusional.
@@africandawahrevivalAh and that is projection in its purest form. Yes some people never grow out of being influenced by groups, which are often prime targets for cults and pyramid schemes. Most people grow out of that around their mid to late twenties. The fact that you believe most people are in the later group shows your one of them.
@africandawahrevival an intelligent person would not mix up the lack of belief in a god as a mythology. Gods are mythological. That's like saying someone who does not believe in fairies is living in a fairy tale. Showing us how unintelligent you are. And you keep swearing with all your illogical bs that you are the only intelligent logical person in the comments.
Belief is stupid as is faith. Belief ≠ acceptance and faith ≠ trust. Religious usage of a word and secular usage of the same word involves a different mindset. This means the two groups, while sounding the same as far as words are concerned, are in fact saying different things.
Would you mind showing what the difference is exactly? what you term as "are in fact saying different things", do you mean it in an equivocal sense? Because, they might just be different in degrees only, in which case my point stand. The more trust I have of something, I see it as certain knowledge and beyond faith/mere belief, but if I try to demonstrate it beyond any possible doubts, I finally realise it is not absolutely certain afterall, that in the end like Hume himself said, there are all beliefs/faith in the end.
@@duncanbryson1167 Maybe it is you that needs understanding, coz if you do, you wouldn't have written that comment, but I could be wrong, so, philosophically, what is the difference between belief and "acceptance", between faith and trust. (bear in mind this is not a grammatical issue)
I can't just stop being an atheist, my friend. Despite what you're arguing for in the video, and what a lot of people (including a lot atheists!) make the mistake of imagining is that belief is a choice. You genuinely believe in something or you don't, at best you can be uncertain. We might believe in different things at different grades, might take specific things more or less seriously, but I think for the most part, no matter how open minded we try to be - we all have a gut feeling about things that leans one way or the other. I mean this as respectfully as I can, but would you prefer I patronizingly pretend that I agree with you? At best I could lie about believing in your God, maybe I could eventually delude myself into believing in a God I've never experienced or seen objective evidence for - and that's not even accounting for what I think about individual religious doctrines and how that denomination interprets God, for the sake of civility I won't get into my opinions regarding Abrahamic faiths here. Sorry if this comment is a little combative African Dawah Revival, but I'm not "convinced enough" that any Gods exist. And speaking a secular leftwinger, even if the Christian/Muslim/Jewish/Mormon monotheistic God did exist, I'm not convinced at all that it'd be worth worshipping.
Fair enough, I never said you can just choose to believe and that's it, I said you can try, and with time, you get more convinced and start to see what you missed at the first contact (this is what I meant by TRY in the video), but all these is only for those who I termed having "the will to believe" but are unsure of what to do.
@@africandawahrevival Sorry dude, but i am a rational person living in a modern world in which not even a single supernatural effect or being has ever been demonstrated to be possible, let alone probable. So no, i will never be able to believe in childish claims like that there is a god who made his own virgin mother pregnant with himself to sacrifice himself to himself because a woman made out of ribs was told by a snake to eat a magical fruit. Do you know what would help? EVIDENCE!!! Do you have any?
@@africandawahrevival That you choose to live in denial of reality by believing impossible nonsense for no good reason doesn't mean the rest of the world is doing it too. Stop projecting your insanity onto others.
@@africandawahrevival I'm not the one who believes the impossible faerie tales of the bible. Snakes can't talk. Whales can't swallow humans. There never was a global flood. The Exodus never happened. No magical ritual can make city walls crumble. People cannot walk on water and they do not come back after death.
@@africandawahrevival "Maybe you are actually the one insane" "you have is a fantasy too bro" "You sound like someone who thinks he is not in a cult, whereas everyone is in some cult, it takes great intelligence to see it tho" "You are a believer, but you don't know," What is it with so many of your arguments turning into the most mundane inane nonsensical form of "No! You!"?
For me as an atheist your prophet is fascinating - a warrior statesman conqueror even above Cesar, Genghis and Napoleon. And to clothe his political ambitions in religious robes was genious. As a rationalist I don't like the supernatural aspects of your religion - of any religion. But I very much like how he faced, challenged and transformed the underlying political reality of his time until today and still will in the future. A true emperor. I respect that.
@@africandawahrevival Althought I enjoyed reading the classics of Political Realism, I see myself as an Institutionalist. Hate the play, respect the players 🙂
What differentiates your so called god from any other so called god or gods? The only thing that differentiates your so called god from any other so called god or gods is YOUR belief. As does for any believer in any god or gods. So who of you is right? It's my opinion that you are all wrong.
@@africandawahrevival Great, and what would be YOUR answer? What differentiates YOUR so called god from any other so called god or gods? Which one of the hundreds of religions and thousands of so called gods is the right one and why?
@@africandawahrevival That's so great, wow! And to which one of the hundreds of religions' thousands of so called gods are you a monotheist and and why to that particulary one?
@@thomasb7464 You know no one is forcing you or even asking anything right 😆, in my video, I spoke of those with "the will to believe", if you don't have it, why are you stressing over it.
This whole video can be broken down to this...... Sit down, throw away all logic and reason. Convince yourself that it is possible for you to fly like Superman. Now believe that you can fly like Superman, tell everyone you can, tell everyone what you think it is like to fly and how it feels great and life is so much better flying around the world like Superman. But never ever ever actually try to fly like Superman and if anyone wants you to prove it just shut them down, because you know deep down, no matter how much you tricked yourself into believing this nonsense.... you can't really fly, but it's awesome that other people think you can...... Another video with no intelligence on CZcams.
@@africandawahrevival "Logic and reason leads to nihilism" Not really. Not accepting a proposition is not the same as accepting the negative of that proposition. Not being capable of absolutely proving anything beyond your own mind is not the same as accepting that there is nothing beyond your own mind. Taking the position of nihilism based on logic would go against one of the many laws of logic.
@africandawahrevival logic and reason lead you to lots of places. If done right it won't lead you to god or philosophy. Don't need to read the words of a dead guy who is 200 years to late to the party and only had questions and zero answers. Philosophy is not logical.
@@africandawahrevival Also, I love that your only reply to my entire comment is some bs about a dead philosopher and not an actual reply to my comment.
Because there is nothing like observation reality, it is a myth used to snatch the unaware into a contrivance of horror. I only ask you to believe in two propositions; 1- That you were created by God 2- That there is life after death Why? you might ask, (1) the universe emerged and it is reasonable to propose a creator, (2) the afterlife is where justice is served to all those who were wronged. If you think this are fairytales provide your own answer to address this issue, seriously, no kidding. Lastly, one could argue from (2) to (1), like I did in one of my recent videos, on justice, here is a snippet; - you watch injustice happen, let's say a case of a genocide of an entire nation, like that in the Melian dialogue. - the perpetrators got away and nothing happened - you want them to be brought to justice - you believe that there is life after death where the innocents will get their justice and judgement will be enacted on the tyrant. - you either want this or you don't, it is not by force, and since it is something in the future and a possibility, you believe. Another way is the existentialist path, but I stop here for now.
@@snuffywuffykiss1522 I never said reality is not real, I am only saying that all realities are interpreted by man, and we differ in its interpretation. Also, notice that I am not disputing with you if 1+1=2 or any typical scientific facts, this is a philosophical issue, issues about the origin of the universe and the meaning of man's existence, you can't simply point to "observable reality" in this cases, you have to make a judgement. Take the case of a man beating another to death, what just happened here? we all observed it? It is real? but what does it mean? Murder or not? Right or wrong? etc, no appeal to science or "observable reality" can aid us here.
@@africandawahrevival The origin of the universe in a question of natural science, not philosophy. Meaning is both personal and subjective. As to observed reality... If we witness a man beat another man to death then THAT is what we witness in reality. You moral view or the legal definition of the action are both again personal and subjective. And by the way... There is a such a thing as social sciences where we study human interactions... But you wouldn't know about that because its not in your special magic book... So how about you stop trying to change subjects and doing the standard apologetic tap dance. Just give 1 REAL reason to believe in your fairy tale imaginary sky wizard.
Anytime comments come flooding into my videos, I know @Logicked must have made another video on me 😂😂
Ah! And then you watch the response video, press like and maybe leave a comment thanking him for his helpful thoughts, right? 😁
@@transient_ I am actually on his discord and we talk sometimes 😂
Logicked destroyed you, he disassembled your broken logic and left you irrelevant.
@@skepticsinister Ok, now what 😆. It is not like I am competing with him or something, I made my video, he interacted with it, that's all I see, nothing like "destroy,disassemble.." or whatever terms you are using there, calm down bro.
@africandawahrevival of course, you don't think you got destroyed. There is no need to compete for his response video to put holes in all your bs. Of course it isn't a competition. To compete, you actually have to have a chance, and you don't. Pitting fantasy time mythology against logic is anything but a chance.
The good old "get into my cult now, then belief will come later." Uh-huh.
You sound like someone who thinks he is not in a cult, whereas everyone is in some cult, it takes great intelligence to see it tho
@@africandawahrevival "whereas everyone is in some cult, it takes great intelligence to see it tho"
Or arrogance.
No: Not being in a cult is as much of a cult, as not riding a bike is a sport.
@africandawahrevival oh the great drag you down to my level dodge. The sad pathetic attempt to pretend you are in the same boat as the person who disagrees with you so you can then deflect away from the idea that you are not using logic and actual reasoning but circular reasoning and calling it logical.
Wanna know one reason I hate philosophy? The idea of evidence in philosophy is to use the same argument you just used as evidence for itself. Just alter some words and phrases. Of all the times one argues with an arrogant religious philosopher who cites, they have empirical evidence of god, just to play bait and switch with the scientific definition of evidence with the moron version from philosophy. Who then, of course, claims they won the day for god because of their underhanded ploy. It's funny how you righteous types always have to resort to such tactics in a sad attempt to believe you won an argument. Which points at the hole in your argument of belief as it shows how pretending you are right is not the same as being right and is detrimental not beneficial.
@africandawahrevival here you go miss using another word again.
Cult a system of religious veneration and devotion directed toward a particular figure or object.
People who tend to be smart tend not to fall into such practices..... skeptical people as well because they trust far less than you would need to have veneration for a thing
@@bass-dc9175 not if you are deep in a cult, you will think you are not in any, but history or the intelligent can show you yours.
Sorry, I prefer my beliefs to be grounded in reality, not subjective desires.
Obviously, I CAN believe in a god without being certain. I also can NOT believe in a god without being certain. The question is, WHY would I want to believe in something that is probably not true?
For those of us who actually care about reality more than our feelings, there is absolutely no reason to try and force myself to believe something I believe is false. I would either have to already believe it's true, or want to believe it for some utilitarian reason.
Thing is, every single benefit of religion can be duplicated by living in a secular community, without the requirement of believing in fairy tales. So I have no desire or need for an emotional crutch to get me through life; I just grew some balls and dealt with it myself.
Ah, that old Red Queen argument. ;)
'When I was your age, I always did it for half-an-hour a day. Why, sometimes I've believed as many as six impossible things before breakfast.'
"Have you tried?"
Yes. It doesn't work. The best you can do is pretend to believe.
Now, if we are talking about a Christian or a Muslim god, the very idea of such a God is completely incoherent for me, so I can be actually certain that such Gods do not, in fact, exist. I'm not saying no one can posibly convince me otherwise, but until someone does, that's my position.
Keep trying, also, you can read Pascal's pensées, he has some interesting take on this
@@africandawahrevival
"Keep trying"
I have bertter uses for my time, thank you.
"he has some interesting take on this"
Not really. Pascal's wager is especially stupid.
@@WhiteScorpio2 Whatever, you do you. Pascal wager is problematic, I agree, but have you read William James?
@africandawahrevival Have you read anything of substance and not just biased bs not based in fact? All these bs philosophers are pointless. You might as well be pushing books by apologists while telling people to go to creationist websites like Ken Hamm's
@@africandawahrevival Have you read anything of substance and not just biased bs not based in fact? All these bs philosophers are pointless. You might as well be pushing books by apologists while telling people to go to creationist websites like Ken Hamm's
Let's say what you said here about "belief" is all correct. So you don't have to be certain that your personal existence ends with your death, that the universe is uncreated, that there is no God.
You can believe all that without being certain.
So... why don't you?
That's the point, whatever you do, you have some beliefs that you uphold, and it will eventually either be true or false
@@africandawahrevival Well... if that was the pont of your video, I might have completely misunderstood it. From all the stuff you said there, one might get the idea that you wanted people to believe in some specific things.
@@Groffili No, it was to tell those with "the will to believe", that they can
@@africandawahrevival Ah, ok.
Well... you would be wrong here. They can't. That's why they don't believe.
Belief is not based on intent. It's based on conviction.
@@Groffili Yeah, based on conviction, but conviction is not always reached on first contact.
We do not need certainty to believe, but we, as rational atheists, need evidence and you do not have evidence.
I have evidence sufficient for my belief, that same evidence my not convince you, so, maybe another one will, in philosophy, there is an entire discussion about what counts as evidence or proof, just study some epistemology
@@africandawahrevival I have, I have yet to see any evidence for any religion that is enough to warrant belief.
@@walkergarya Well, I have seen enough evidence to warrant belief, now what
@@africandawahrevivalOh that is perfect. Then you can surely provide that evidence so we can investigate it ourselves and thus accept your religion.
Right?
@@bass-dc9175 you are missing the point, the point is not the quantity of evidence, whoever is not going to be convinced, won't be, even if the evidence is staring them in the face
I don't like the perspective of "Try to believe" because I don't actually have a reason to want to believe, nor am I convinced.
This applies to all religions; I don't have a reason, I'm not convinced, and I don't want to. If I was convinced, maybe I would believe in it. But I'm not convinced, and so I won't bother trying.
Ok, that's what I said in the video, however, if you are an existentialist, or you reached a nihilistic position, I could then persuade you to try to believe, for you have nothing anyway.
Since there are many religions out there, non-believers have to make a decision. That decision can either be done by reasonable approach (spending time learning about each religion to find out which is best) or just picking one randomly. But since atheism and agnosticism are also options, why would we WANT to believe? Why would we want to become something else? I see no reason at all.
However, i suppose that your video is meant for those that already made that decision and want to believe, but for some reason they "cannot force themselves to start believing". Is it possible for them to change? Well, if God exist, then he can help them - just pray for faith and God will give faith. Simple as that.
My point is to those who want to believe, have what I called the will to believe, that they can believe without being 100% certain, that it is ok, for those who don't have that will, well they won't believe anyway.
Now, one might ask, why believe at all?, I say it is mostly to deal with existential issues, mythology helps us live in a nihilistic world.
@@africandawahrevival Belief is not a matter of choice. You are either convinced by a proposition or you are not, there's no choice involved. I cannot force myself to believe in something that I find unconvincing.
@@curious5661 Yeah, you are right partially, I agree that most of our beliefs are by convictions, however, there are other we can ascend to by trust and endorsement
@@africandawahrevival Can present an example of this?
@@curious5661 Ok, sure:
1) When you trust the person saying something without being a direct witness yourself, let's say your brother telling you that there is a snake in the garden
2) when you have two beliefs each of which are both plausible, and you kindof have let's say 50/50, so you chose one of them, by endorsement
What this sounds like is, you should hang out with church goes, because hanging with a group of people will rub off on you. Well maybe in high school unless your a week willed person that never grew out of that. Do you think that that is what most people are like or is it just because that's what the theists you hang around are like?
You will hangout with some other group eventually, which will rub itself on you, like an atheist or humanist group for instance, which are all mythologies, but only the intelligent can see this 😏
@@africandawahrevivalOk so yeah, you haven't grown out of high school clicks and you aren't self confident in yourself to stop being a social chameleon for validation. Got it.
@@Blahblah-il2dv Believe whatever you want mate, we can take the camel to the water, but it doesn't mean he will drink, like I said, only the intelligent can see it, if you think you are free of all and any group rubbing itself on you, you are delusional.
@@africandawahrevivalAh and that is projection in its purest form. Yes some people never grow out of being influenced by groups, which are often prime targets for cults and pyramid schemes. Most people grow out of that around their mid to late twenties. The fact that you believe most people are in the later group shows your one of them.
@africandawahrevival an intelligent person would not mix up the lack of belief in a god as a mythology. Gods are mythological. That's like saying someone who does not believe in fairies is living in a fairy tale. Showing us how unintelligent you are. And you keep swearing with all your illogical bs that you are the only intelligent logical person in the comments.
Obey your earthly masters
Belief is stupid as is faith.
Belief ≠ acceptance and faith ≠ trust.
Religious usage of a word and secular usage of the same word involves a different mindset. This means the two groups, while sounding the same as far as words are concerned, are in fact saying different things.
Would you mind showing what the difference is exactly? what you term as "are in fact saying different things", do you mean it in an equivocal sense? Because, they might just be different in degrees only, in which case my point stand.
The more trust I have of something, I see it as certain knowledge and beyond faith/mere belief, but if I try to demonstrate it beyond any possible doubts, I finally realise it is not absolutely certain afterall, that in the end like Hume himself said, there are all beliefs/faith in the end.
@@africandawahrevival
What you ask, I've already said, try reading.... and understanding.
@@duncanbryson1167 Maybe it is you that needs understanding, coz if you do, you wouldn't have written that comment, but I could be wrong, so, philosophically, what is the difference between belief and "acceptance", between faith and trust. (bear in mind this is not a grammatical issue)
@@africandawahrevival
It's a matter of mindset, intended meaning.
Nothing further.
@@duncanbryson1167 🤦🏻♂️🙄 thought as much
Have I tried to believe? What? Something like Heaven's Gate? Jonestown? The Davidians? 9/11? This is where believing without evidence can take you.
You can do better lol 😂, try something more reasonable, not mere conspiracy theories.
@@africandawahrevival Why do you think your "religion" isn't also "mere conspiracy theories"? Let me guess, because YOU believe in it.
@@thomasb7464 How do you think yours is not a conspiracy theory aswell?
@@africandawahrevival Maybe it is, maybe it isn't. Again, how do YOU think YOURS is not a conspiracy theory aswell?
@@thomasb7464 Maybe it is, maybe it isn't, I certainly don't think it is
I can't just stop being an atheist, my friend. Despite what you're arguing for in the video, and what a lot of people (including a lot atheists!) make the mistake of imagining is that belief is a choice. You genuinely believe in something or you don't, at best you can be uncertain. We might believe in different things at different grades, might take specific things more or less seriously, but I think for the most part, no matter how open minded we try to be - we all have a gut feeling about things that leans one way or the other.
I mean this as respectfully as I can, but would you prefer I patronizingly pretend that I agree with you? At best I could lie about believing in your God, maybe I could eventually delude myself into believing in a God I've never experienced or seen objective evidence for - and that's not even accounting for what I think about individual religious doctrines and how that denomination interprets God, for the sake of civility I won't get into my opinions regarding Abrahamic faiths here.
Sorry if this comment is a little combative African Dawah Revival, but I'm not "convinced enough" that any Gods exist. And speaking a secular leftwinger, even if the Christian/Muslim/Jewish/Mormon monotheistic God did exist, I'm not convinced at all that it'd be worth worshipping.
Fair enough, I never said you can just choose to believe and that's it, I said you can try, and with time, you get more convinced and start to see what you missed at the first contact (this is what I meant by TRY in the video), but all these is only for those who I termed having "the will to believe" but are unsure of what to do.
@@africandawahrevival Sorry dude, but i am a rational person living in a modern world in which not even a single supernatural effect or being has ever been demonstrated to be possible, let alone probable. So no, i will never be able to believe in childish claims like that there is a god who made his own virgin mother pregnant with himself to sacrifice himself to himself because a woman made out of ribs was told by a snake to eat a magical fruit.
Do you know what would help? EVIDENCE!!! Do you have any?
How about "No." I prefer to live in reality, not a fantasy world.
There is no reality, whatever you have is a fantasy too bro 😏
@@africandawahrevival That you choose to live in denial of reality by believing impossible nonsense for no good reason doesn't mean the rest of the world is doing it too. Stop projecting your insanity onto others.
@@Angel-nl1hp Maybe you are actually the one insane, but too deep insanity to even reflect and see some light, Angel 😏😂
@@africandawahrevival I'm not the one who believes the impossible faerie tales of the bible. Snakes can't talk. Whales can't swallow humans. There never was a global flood. The Exodus never happened. No magical ritual can make city walls crumble. People cannot walk on water and they do not come back after death.
@@africandawahrevival "Maybe you are actually the one insane"
"you have is a fantasy too bro"
"You sound like someone who thinks he is not in a cult, whereas everyone is in some cult, it takes great intelligence to see it tho"
"You are a believer, but you don't know,"
What is it with so many of your arguments turning into the most mundane inane nonsensical form of "No! You!"?
For me as an atheist your prophet is fascinating - a warrior statesman conqueror even above Cesar, Genghis and Napoleon. And to clothe his political ambitions in religious robes was genious. As a rationalist I don't like the supernatural aspects of your religion - of any religion. But I very much like how he faced, challenged and transformed the underlying political reality of his time until today and still will in the future.
A true emperor.
I respect that.
do you ascribe to political realism or something?
@@africandawahrevival Althought I enjoyed reading the classics of Political Realism, I see myself as an Institutionalist. Hate the play, respect the players 🙂
Non belief 100%, Belief 0%. You're a waste of my time. I'm done and I will go on with my day.
Don't cry 😂, Believer. You are a believer, but you don't know, and what's with Zodiac name
What differentiates your so called god from any other so called god or gods?
The only thing that differentiates your so called god from any other so called god or gods is YOUR belief. As does for any believer in any god or gods. So who of you is right?
It's my opinion that you are all wrong.
Well, I think your so called opinion is wrong.
@@africandawahrevival Great, and what would be YOUR answer? What differentiates YOUR so called god from any other so called god or gods?
Which one of the hundreds of religions and thousands of so called gods is the right one and why?
@@thomasb7464 This question is irrelevant to me, coz I am a monotheist, 🙄.
@@africandawahrevival That's so great, wow! And to which one of the hundreds of religions' thousands of so called gods are you a monotheist and and why to that particulary one?
@@thomasb7464 You know no one is forcing you or even asking anything right 😆, in my video, I spoke of those with "the will to believe", if you don't have it, why are you stressing over it.
Can you choose to believe in Allah??? Go ahead, do it.
This whole video can be broken down to this......
Sit down, throw away all logic and reason. Convince yourself that it is possible for you to fly like Superman. Now believe that you can fly like Superman, tell everyone you can, tell everyone what you think it is like to fly and how it feels great and life is so much better flying around the world like Superman.
But never ever ever actually try to fly like Superman and if anyone wants you to prove it just shut them down, because you know deep down, no matter how much you tricked yourself into believing this nonsense.... you can't really fly, but it's awesome that other people think you can......
Another video with no intelligence on CZcams.
Logic and reason leads to nihilism, just go and read Hume, unless you are not an empiricist
@@africandawahrevival "Logic and reason leads to nihilism"
Not really. Not accepting a proposition is not the same as accepting the negative of that proposition.
Not being capable of absolutely proving anything beyond your own mind is not the same as accepting that there is nothing beyond your own mind.
Taking the position of nihilism based on logic would go against one of the many laws of logic.
@@bass-dc9175 which law of logic is that?
@africandawahrevival logic and reason lead you to lots of places. If done right it won't lead you to god or philosophy. Don't need to read the words of a dead guy who is 200 years to late to the party and only had questions and zero answers. Philosophy is not logical.
@@africandawahrevival Also, I love that your only reply to my entire comment is some bs about a dead philosopher and not an actual reply to my comment.
So Seriously. Not Kidding. Why should I believe your fairy tale story over observable Reality?
Because there is nothing like observation reality, it is a myth used to snatch the unaware into a contrivance of horror.
I only ask you to believe in two propositions;
1- That you were created by God
2- That there is life after death
Why? you might ask, (1) the universe emerged and it is reasonable to propose a creator, (2) the afterlife is where justice is served to all those who were wronged. If you think this are fairytales provide your own answer to address this issue, seriously, no kidding.
Lastly, one could argue from (2) to (1), like I did in one of my recent videos, on justice, here is a snippet;
- you watch injustice happen, let's say a case of a genocide of an entire nation, like that in the Melian dialogue.
- the perpetrators got away and nothing happened
- you want them to be brought to justice
- you believe that there is life after death where the innocents will get their justice and judgement will be enacted on the tyrant.
- you either want this or you don't, it is not by force, and since it is something in the future and a possibility, you believe.
Another way is the existentialist path, but I stop here for now.
Have you ever heard of modal logic?
Also, tone it down a bit, CZcams will delete your comments, lol.
@@africandawahrevival You are the one saying that reality is not real and fantasy is truth.
I merely asked you to show the courage of your conviction.
@@snuffywuffykiss1522 I never said reality is not real, I am only saying that all realities are interpreted by man, and we differ in its interpretation. Also, notice that I am not disputing with you if 1+1=2 or any typical scientific facts, this is a philosophical issue, issues about the origin of the universe and the meaning of man's existence, you can't simply point to "observable reality" in this cases, you have to make a judgement.
Take the case of a man beating another to death, what just happened here? we all observed it? It is real? but what does it mean? Murder or not? Right or wrong? etc, no appeal to science or "observable reality" can aid us here.
@@africandawahrevival The origin of the universe in a question of natural science, not philosophy. Meaning is both personal and subjective.
As to observed reality... If we witness a man beat another man to death then THAT is what we witness in reality. You moral view or the legal definition of the action are both again personal and subjective. And by the way... There is a such a thing as social sciences where we study human interactions... But you wouldn't know about that because its not in your special magic book...
So how about you stop trying to change subjects and doing the standard apologetic tap dance. Just give 1 REAL reason to believe in your fairy tale imaginary sky wizard.