‘House of the Dragon’ Season 2, Episode 8 Instant Reactions | The Midnight Boys
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- As this season of ‘House of the Dragon’ concludes, the Midnight Boys are here to wig out about the season finale (5:38)! From Rhaenyra's final confrontation to the new dragonriders to the mud-wrestling pirates, the boys will give you their hot takes and their Midnight Meter for the season as a whole!
Hosts: Van Lathan, Charles Holmes, Jomi Adeniran, and Steve Ahlman
Producer: Victoria Valencia
Audio: Jade Whaley
Additional Production Support: Arjuna Ramgopal
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Jomi playing with his wig hair the entire time is definitely an under appreciated vibe
Y’all are serving in those wigs 💅🏼😌
" The dragons like an Iphone" is an all time quote
Charles,episodes 1-6: “who are these side characters getting all this time?”
Charles, episodes 7-8: “we don’t know enough about these guys for them to be acting this way”
I was thinking the same thing, like wtf is he talking about?
He is terrible at these reviews because he always have to complain about something
NGL I the side characters had to carry this season with Daemon and Otto on the sidelines.
I’ll just say there is no wasted time on this show. Everything is there for a reason.
Agreed!
I'm assuming y'all are done with the studio for a while, but I want to say that you have gained at least one dedicated fan from these video episodes. I'd never heard of y'all before, but I'm definitely going to catch up with the old episodes now. Some of the best, most insightful analysis on pop culture I've seen, plus you guys are hilarious! Can't wait until you guys can come back on video. Pew pew!!
You should listen to Van and Charles talk about the show Atlanta, they caught things that went completely over my head.
Why is Van doom scrolling during the Midnight Manifest??? Disrespectful like Ulf. 😂😂
The fact that y’all sitting there in these damn wigs 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Steve woulda been put on one of them boats so fast to get burned by Vermithor 😂
Lol Van just scrolling through twitter while Charles gives the manifest
We needed every episode we got and when we look back when the series is over this season is going to age well
Daemon at this point earned back the Riverlands and their respect by punishing lord Blackwood for the crimes against the Brackens. You could see before Rhaenyra came, everyone was following his lead.
They tied up all the loose ends bc once they start fighting it’s not gonna stop
I do agree the flip of ulf was quick but when he gets convinced and finally gets all his power he really believes his grandose claims
They needed Ulf, so Damon would look slightly less villainous
Jombie sorry for spelling, FEELING himself with that wig 😂😂😂😂😂
The reason the season felt disjointed, and why the finale felt like a midseason finale is because this episode was meant to be the penultimate episode van talked about that’s a tradition for thrones.
Shortly before hotd wrapped up filming hbo decided to cut the last two episodes for the season, and the budget along with it, then 2 months later the writers nd actors strike started, so they didn’t have enough time for proper rewrites and reshoots
The last 2 episodes that we were supposed to get now got repurposed as the first 2 episodes for season 3
The wigs are truly a beautiful addition. Van is legit rocking this hair.
The cowboy hat really puts it over the edge
Loved the finale! We actually first met Ulf on the street when the rat catchers were hanged. He casually steals something of a vendor before wandering around the corner to ask what was going on. I think we got a pretty good idea early on what stuff the guy is made of.
That was the only way demon would ever kneel to her it has to be bigger than her so when he has the dream it's shows him a higher purpose than just being king but if you really thought demon would ever kneel just out of support I guess you forget how he was in season 1
the spoiler warning makes me die laughing every time lol
It's the programming reminders for me
Aemond is insecure and Joffrey is cocky Ramsey is just psychotic 😂😂😂
also, neither vermithor nor silverwing, nor seasmoke are wild dragons
chuck complaining that he would've wanted to see what happened to otto while simultaneously complaining about now enough time being spent with the dragon riders is the type of stuff we can only get from chuck
I do not understand people’s turn on Ulf. This was exactly what I thought he’d be. Hes got new money. He’s finally got shit kinda figured out. I’m on Jomie’s side.
Whoever thought of the Silver/White Wigs, give them a raise.
Love how you guys keep it fun and creative. 👍🏽
Van @ 27:54 - 29:17 😂😂😂 dude had me rollin
none of Daemonds story in the show happend in the books but you have to think about the person that he is, he's not a person to confess to being mindfucked by ghosts... no one in the book would have written about it if there was no account of it happening... that leaves it open to directors and story writers the only thing that had to be in the show was the flashback/forward featuring Dany apparently
the directors literally integrated 'A Christmas Carol' into a "Ghosts of Harrenhal' adaption with Daemonds story. I think that's genius, i just think it could've been executed better.
at the '30 tabs' point, van started iso-ing and throwing up the nick young shots lmao
25:27 Van almost spilt the office tea
Charles is such a Tim Bontemps
Jomi about to become the Loch Michigan Monster 🥛🥛 🤣
Not me initially not liking Chuck months ago but now fully agreeing with his take on this finale! Idk what Van talking about. Lol.
When Chuck misses he is on another planet. But when he hits I swear he’s the only one in the room with any sense
But Van is saying true this show is not about dragon it's the destruction of a family, It's the relationship. got get your thrones lens off two different shows.
@@bangoutmgmt But, the dragons are apart of the destruction of the family. Lol. Additionally, no one is advocating for dragons. The feeling surrounding much of season 2 was the lack of momentum. The ending of season 8 definitely further cements that feeling. That’s all. And, I don’t think me or Chuck is looking at HOTD through the lens of GOT. It’s not that. But, this ending is vastly diff from how we ended season 1. AND, the mere fact that the writers wanted it to be 10 episodes confirms the feelings of many.
The finale was good, if it was like the 8th episode of a 10 episode season. This season as many have rightly criticized was filled with filler. The number of battles they could have included in this season that was built as a season of war, its so disappointing that they only did one. The guys on the left were not listening to the criticisms the guys on the right levied. Like yo, listen, instead of being offended by it.
It was not filler because those moments inform the characters and set up things that become important later. They are breather episodes that are necessary because if everything is a big epic climax it doesn't mean anything without the connective tissue. Episodes 4 and 7 are great because they built up to those. GOT had a big battle episode every second season and those seasons had 10 episodes each. After season 8 of GOT a bunch of people (not me) demanded that these shows take more time to explore the characters instead of moving from climax to climax. I didn't necesarily feel that this was something that was lacking with the final season but I also appreciate the slower-paced episodes where the focus is on the characters and what they're going through. Now this show does exactly that and people are still not satisfied. The showrunner has already said that they pushed a big battle to season 3 because they wanted to do it justice but couldn't do so with the means they had left at their disposal for season 2 (I don't know if they weren't given enough episodes to fit that in or if it is a question of financial limitations, probably the latter). This is to say that, at some point, I can't take those complaints seriously anymore.
@@Regenmacher175 Shut up
@@watermage25 Ah yes, the response to anything you can't answer with proper arguments LOL.
@@watermage25 You shut up
I would rather they take time talking the story then get seasons 7 and 8 of character speenruning. This show is not about battles and spectical, " the human heart in conflict with itself is the only thing worth writing about" - GRRM the creator disagrees with you.
Alicent is Gwayne's sister, not mother lol
Was thinking the same thing. You can see that Steve wants to make the correction as soon as he says it
I think the show is to deep for Charles lol
Jomi must love the Temptations song Just my Imagination.
I’m with Van we are cooked. We thought we needed everyone’s opinion (internet). We didn’t
I loved this finale and agree with Van. I think the season was great and the finale paid off what was set up within this season - I really think the people who are disappointed in the finale had convinced themselves there would be a huge major battle this season based on the book and misinterpreting interviews.
Most of the criticism I've heard of this finale was, "but I wanted to see a battle!" Sure, but I don't think any major battles were set up for the back half of this season, so it would have come out of nowhere. The one major criticism that I do agree with more is the amount of time spent with the triarchy.
39:22 again agreeing with Charles somehow. The Rivermen do not like Daemon. I love the Daemon Rhaenyra scene, however, why would the Rivermen not show more respect immediately when last episode it seemed clear they were honoring their oath to Viserys amd his heir, and not Daemon, but now show deference to Daemon.
Van scrolling through insta during Charles’ midnight manifest 😂
The showrunners already said that they had to push back a big battle to season 3 because they felt like they could not do it justice in the way they thought it deserved with the financial limitations that they had after having to spend so much money on the dragon fight at Rook's Rest and the Red Sowing. They didn't want to underdeliver on this huge battle so it is what it is imo. Episode 8 is a breather and that's fine if the acting, writing, etc. is great and imo they were. I think people need to check their expectations ('what do I want from this show?') and keep them in check ('is it reasonable for me to demand that the show do big epic moments at each and every turn all the time?').
Funny that you have to being us up to speed and the professionals there didnt mention it. :/ for them, 🎉 for you
yeah I would have liked to hear this in the pod lol. but I appreciate this info and makes me look at the finale in a new light!
Well in that case, I agree with the course of action that was taken. I definitely prefer they take their time and have enough budget to do the production justice next season than to rush it. We're talking about WAR, not just a battle. War can take years, and will need time to depict properly.
Tbh I don’t know how people couldn’t ascertain that themselves. You can tell by the CGI this episode that they were low on money. They’ve had to do so many dragons already, they couldn’t possibly do another fight that would almost have to have multiple dragons.
@@dwilliams380 SPOILER: it was specifically the big naval battle that they pushed to season 3. Book readers will know which one I'm talking about. That would have DEFINITELY been too expensive at this point and rushing it would not have done the show any favours tbh.
Episode terrific whether finale or not.
Brainwashed
Jomi tossing those locks lol
Did Jomi dirty at the end there 😂😂
AMAZING Hotd episode!
TONEDEAF no good finale!
If you drag your knuckles for 6 rounds, you knock out in 7 or at least put blood on the floor.
Obviously this was disappoint people and was entirely avoidable by delivering some action.
I disagree with Van for once. Could have STARTED any fight? Could have shown Vhagar torching the damn city?
Steve and Chuck are right, it was over the top with the last vision. After the season long experience, why would he still need more? Negates the others, as opposed to reinforces to me. After the last Vicerys one with him offering the crown I would think Daemon got the point and concluded he didn’t want it.
Geaux Tigers! Fellow LSU alum here! 🐯💜
shout Van for showing Chicago love! Come do a midnight boyz pod down here!
I remember the dark skinned vs light skinned wars of the 90s 😂
38:52 No offense to Charles but this statement is absolutely wrong. When the Queen of the Seven Kingdoms enters the great hall and no one kneels is massive sign of disrespect and that there loyalty lies elsewhere. Daemon’s submission triggers theirs and it’s an important moment. Rule is fragile especially when you are breaking hundreds of years of tradition.
Yall are so goofy🧝♀🤣🤣🤣
It's hard to take anything they say serious with those wigs on! 😂
Why would Aemond kill him at this point??
I don’t understand why people complain about all the prophecy stuff with Daemon. I guess I can blame GOT for that because it wasn’t emphasised enough how driven the people in the story are by prophecy. There wouldn’t be HOTD or GOT without the prophecy that sent the Targs to Dragonstone from old Valyria in the first place. Aegon conquered Westeros because of prophecy. A character abruptly changing the course of their life because of prophecy isn’t even unusual in the story - see Rhaegar and Lyanna Stark. The Mad King was driven by prophecy, so was his daughter, Dany. So too were Stannis, Melissandra, Euron Greyjoy, Bran Stark, even Cersi thanks to the woods witch. I think awakening the “dreamer” in Daemon was brilliant writing and as a book reader who loves to dive deep into the lore, this is exactly the sort of thing I’ve been waiting for.
on one hand i agree that this should've been a 9-10 episode season instead of an 8 episode season, but on the other hand, chuck is talking outta his ass (as usual i guess) bc you know damn well if they spent an episode showing all 3 new dragon riders learning how to ride a dragon, he'd be making jokes and saying how it was a filler episode
some of this stuff is pretty damn simple. rhaenrya chose addam bc: 1. he immediately stated his loyalty, 2. she knows addam served under corlys, and she's gotten his appraisal of him, 3. she doesn't want jace in any possible danger (unclear of daemon's motives, jace is the heir, etc.), 4. she obviously can't trust ulf, 5. she doesn't know hugh's background at all, not to mention the relationship between vermithor/silverwing vs syrax/seasmoke.
the lannister bit definitely makes this feel like more of an episode 7-8 of 10 than a season finale though.
anyway, van is right, any complaints about this episode are essentially complaints about the season as a whole...daemon's journey taking too long (necessary bc it had to be unclear whose side he was on until after rhaenyra got the 3 dragon riders, but still a valid point), not enough time with the dragon riders (kinda unavoidable bc there are freaking 3 of them, but still a valid point), alicent's journey being too abrupt (after some consideration, i think her journey is basically fine, even though we didn't need to see her floating in a lake), the whole lannister bit happening in the finale (just not enough episodes, otherwise, this is a fun little bit away from the main characters that we would ordinarily enjoy)
46:17 those are her brothers! I feel like everyone forgot that or is skipping over it. Smh
I think y'all misread demon this season so bad it's not that he doesn't matter it was the first time he was genuinely scared of whats to come and understand they have to stick together
"To be real" [rolleyes] without Daemon's experiences at Harrenhall his change of loyalty (himself to Rhaenerya) would not make sense
Didn’t need to sideline the coolest character for the entire season to accomplish that change
@@GonzoGolf One man's sideline is another man's character development I guess
Almost first 😭 😭😭
For Charles, you've fundamentally misunderstood who Daemon is. It's not that his entire character changes because of one vision. His entire point is to be this personification of the conflict between loyalty and one's own desires. He loved his brother and was ferociously loyal to protecting him and their legacy. He completely denied the importance of his brother's obsession with visions and thus saw this attachment to uniting the realm because of a vision as the largest issue that made his reign as king weak. He wanted their legacy to continue and thought the only way that would be possible would be through his strength as the true blood of the dragon, no matter how much he loved his wife/niece. These visions and the final ultimate prophecy vision have completely realign what he believes is important. He sees now that his brother was the only one that was seeing things clearly. He now needs to be the man he was always supposed to be and that was the man who protected his brother's legacy and his decision.
We took a long time to get there, I agree. But as much as I've come to understand about George's characterization of Daemon, him needing all this to convince him is absolutely aligned with his character and gave him a renewed sense of purpose. It mattered
hbo could cut one of them other upcoming shows if that's what it would've took to at least see aemond destroy sharps point, that could have been a set piece that would have satisfied all the fans while still keeping this same story
The Ulf turn DOES happen too fast. Why are we saying his cowardice in the bar explains his arrogance post-dragon? That doesn’t make sense
Ok…maybe we ARE cooked lol. I was with Charles on the Ulf stuff…but what do you mean you don’t understand why she chose Adam as opposed to Hugh or Ulf?!?
She’s known him the longest AND he’s the only one to bend the knee and pledge his life and undying loyalty
Did we forget that episode?
Yeah it felt so forced and awkward. It was just just to show how honorable Hugh Hammer is and how pouty Jace was
Thank you Van
Dog Ramsey wouldn’t even fight Jon snow. He ain’t want that smoke 😂
Poor Jomi 😂😂😂😂
Gives imagination station a new vibe
Van nailed it with his initial thoughts. There is only few things they can do unlike GOT that had several stories.
Not the best EP but I'm good.
Also it was originally 10 episodes. WB told HBO to cut it down due financial issues
Steve and Charles, I'm so confused. If the prophecy is what's taking you out, I don't even see how you can enjoy the show. It's like Jomi said, the WHOLE story begins and ends with the prophecy. That's the center of the story!
I wish these podcasts would point out that this season was supposed to be 10 episodes and WB discovery pushed a directive down to cut the budget and this is what resulted.
I've never been more okay with Charles going first. Felt like episode 8 of a 10 episode season. Disappointing, but still on board
Those actors gotta be stoked that this show will last forever
Charles is 50% more bearable with Targ vig, they should keep it for him
Does anyone know what water bottle Jomi has?
Steve looks like Michael Rooker in suicide squad
41:19 na yall im done with you. Corny!!! This is a FANTASY SHOW
Yeah, we got these same exact vibes from GOT as well. This shouldn’t be a turn off now
charles with the comment of the pod at 15 min, why tf does it make sense for either alicent or rhaenera to sneak into enemy territory...makes no sense
I thought this episode was great! but I agree with all of’em. This is really Season 2A, just sucks people have to wait 2 years for 2B.
I’m from Chicago & we have the hottest white babes around
Correction: we meet Ulf in episode 2 after Aegon hanged the ratcatchers. He is seen stealing from someone else and then asks why the ratcatchers had been hanged. That is meant to indicate that he's a somewhat dubious person because he stole something just in passing and very casually. He's then seen passing himself off as a bastard son of Balon and when pushed on it later, he is forced to admit that he as not sure...he just wanted everyone to buy him drinks. He's not special, probably deep down knows he's not special and now all of a sudden gains a dragon. What does gaining a dragon do to someone like that? He immediately shows off because he thinks he's gotten confirmation that he's hot shit now. The transition seems believable to me.
Charles is on his BS again. He was complaining all season about the peasants and not paying attention and now he wants a peasant show.
Hes triggered because he doesn't like the mirror.
@@DonnyKanonenaw he has a good point. His character progression has been shit
There's almost no transition. The way Ulf acts when he gets a dragon is totally consistent with his established character.
@@kiaadams104 His point is as good as yours, ill give you that. You both seemed to have watched the recaps and not read/listen the topics you make comments on or have arguments with your opinions.
@m.a.p.5541 no. I watched the show. Guy was a chill underachieving drunk then got a dragon an is suddenly a self entitled egotistical prick.
Writers should have fleshed out the character and showed the transition from chill drunk bar guy with his buddies to an self-important ass.
F&B part 1 is finished, part 2 is not, & the prophecy is not mentioned in said book anyway
Kind of crazy to complain about Daemon’s story this season when the book has nothing saying what he does during this time. Should he have been left off the show this season then? They had to be completely creative. Van is right. They wanted more battles and action. One book vs five finished ones means a lot of “filler” to make up.
House of R Deep Dive… Tuesday? In Hawaii time I guess? Why don’t they just say Wednesday???
I can’t explain why this bugs me so much 🤷🏻♀️
Why is Steve so pretty in that wig? Giving Emma DArcy
100% with Van - 30 tabs for damn sure!
I think she picks Addam because he immediately bent the knee and perhaps because Syrax can do better against Seasmoke if ever Addam were to attack. They are similar in size and Rhaenyra remains the most experienced rider. Condal said the saddles are installed when the dragons are young.
The Wig game is strong
Steve looks like an actual woman here 😂
Heard the show runners wanted this season to be 10 episodes like the last one but Warner nixed it and only gave them enough money for 8.
Some of y'all are so full of it - I could only imagine the whinging if there was a half a show montage of dragon riding training, lmao
Give us a Rocky 4 style montage of dragon riding. 😂
@@UnbingedPod Would the dragons be punching sheep carcasses?
First lol
Ramsey ran away from Jon snow…he is nowhere near as capable a fighter as aemond
Yeah Ramsey is sadistic but he was a bitch.
With all due respect fuck “the last Jedi.” Ain’t no defending that shit, as a Star Wars fan that movie is pure trash.
Jomie starts talking: skip 1 minute ahead. Bro loves to take up air time with long winded statements of the obvious.
This show went from awesome shit, to pure shit real quick. I wonder if it has to do with the s01 showrunner leaving.
He didn’t really do anything except direct episodes that no one could see and try to shoehorn his wife into a producer role for no reason.
He wasn’t involved in the writing or anything.