Hans Christian - Is This The Best Cruising Boat - Ep 171 - Lady K Sailing
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Hey all, is this the best cruising boat ever made? The Hans Christian line of boats!
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Robert Perry on the Robert Perry Facebook Fan Club post this comment about Lady K Sailings Hans Christian :)
Robert Perry - I was skeptical when I saw this but the guy does very good job with it. He says a few silly things but most of what he says is accurate. I give him credit for having the balls to even get into the design controversy. Probably the best overview of the HC 36 I have ever seen.
Thought you should know. Well done Tim👍
Doesn't get any better than this.......My "dream boat"....
Very interesting that you bring up the Hans Christian 36 - My family have 2 of these sailboats and have had them since the late 70s / early 80's. My Father and Uncle each bought one at the same time. They were considering such other boats as Cheoy Lee 38, Tartan 38, Pacific Seacraft 37 and of course the Tayana 37 Cutter, until my Uncle stumbled upon the Hans Christian 36. My Father and Uncle were pilots who flew between the US and Asia. My Uncle was given the opportunity to tour the Union Shipyard during one of his trips to Taiwan and was able to see the Hans Christian 36 in both finished and production state. Long story short, he told my father about the sailboat. My Father on his next trip also toured the Union Shipyard and after seeing the boat had them commission 2 boats to be built for he and my Uncle. These boats have been in our family ever since and are what I learned to sail on. As stated in your video, they are not fast but they are sturdy and robust. They will sail through 8 and 10 meter seas as though they are just little ripples on a lake. If you are looking to be on a boat that truly live up to the old sailing saying of "If you take care of the boat the boat will take care of you". Well this is that boat. I have sailed the boat up to Alaska, around the Aleutian Islands, throughout the Bering Sea, to Hawaii and all the way to Australia and New Zealand and the boat is as good today as when it came out of the shipyard. As for what they may be worth, well they are priceless to us because they are part of our family.
Nice writeup. I want to buy your boat. So ?
Thanks for sharing. A great story about two brothers and boats. Did they race each other? Sail together? Vacation together?
Are you on the west coast of Ca?
They didn't race the HCs. They had J Class boats they raced. I still have they 37' J my father raced and just recently replaced the mast with carbon fiber and went stayless. (Like the Freedom Yachts). The boats, HCs, are located on the West Coast currently, and as l stated before, the boats ate not for sale.
I and my siblings still sail them. My current live aboard daily sailor is a 2021 Oyster 595 that my wife and I sail together. Currently, we are in Lima Peru and will begin a Pacific crossing this year.
@@SMM-Mystery how do you finance your sailing lifestyle?
As a kid in the 70’s I fell in love with the Hand Christian.
Just watched this from the massive pulman berth of my 1983 33T...you're right, these Harwood Ives boats deserve their own episode...love my 100% un-cored boat!
i would absolutely die for an episode specifically about the Hans Christian 33! Great vid!
Yes, these - and their close cousin the Lord Nelson - are some the finest and most beautiful inside and out heavy displacement cruisers ever made. Thanks for covering them.
While a marina manager in the 80-90s one of my customers had the HC-36, and I frequently sailed aboard on Lake Michigan. Incredibly well built, it could go through or ride out any weather. Great sailing boat.
I love the center Pullman berth of the 33 with the head/shower in the bow V. Don’t know why more boats don’t do this, too.
have you ever tried to drop a deuce in a head way up in the bow while headed into a good choppy sea? not the best design but someone had to try it so we'd all know what we don't want. lol
@@robertfreeman2322 lol I was going to clean it up with some vague physics talk about pivot points and an observation about how the v-berth is always the least comfortable place to lie down underway. But yes if I'm going to drop a poo, I don't want to have to worry the head's going to throw it back at me.
@@robertfreeman2322 Do you swat to pee?
@@robertfreeman2322 so that’s it? That’s your great comment contribution here? Have you ever even set foot or sailed on one extensible to actually have a good, educated opinion?! My guess is that you never have therefore your opinion is meaningless!
@@svgitana2499 I have sailed on vessels with the head up in the forepeak. Commercial Fishing vessels,Trawlers,Sailboats and even an old WW2 tug. Over the past 35 years I've found that it is not a good place to have the head. I'm not going to give you my 40 yr career resume; I'll just say that I have more see time just crapping in a bucket on the back deck than most have just being on a boat. Regards
Thanks for the interesting vid. I have restored an 1986 HC43T, designed by Harwood Ives, and can honestly say that I have never had a yacht that I have loved so much. The slightly smaller "Telstar" fin keel makes her surprisingly agile in an anchorage and yet she retains her marvellous sailing capabilities. At anchor she sits like a brick when compared with more modern light displacement yachts and the only thing to complain about is that she has a mind of her own when reversing. The butterfly hatch is indeed a thing of wonder as you say, as are the port and starboard portholes in the forward cabin, which are exclusive to the HC43 I believe. Down below she has more teak than a Burmese rain forrest...
I did not know the 33 has a pullman berth and head forward. My favorite interior layout.
Hans Christians are one of my favorites and would love a 33 or 38T when I can buy.
Great video. Re comments from many about speed, I would accept they are certainly not the fastest. However, have just sailed my 41T from Cape Verde to Grenada solo. Sailed conservatively, was very comfortable and took 18 days.
I visited the Hans Christian yard last week in Thailand.
Of course the yard had the drop the HC line back in 2015 ( the last 41t was shipped out then) they built amazing catamarans now. (personally it not my thing but it keeps the yard working)
HC 38T(traditional) Telstar owner here. The Telstar is a Harwood Ives design. It has a cut away forefoot and a skeg hung rudder rather than the keel hung rudder. Boat is 28,700 lbs empty. My Telstar is the last one built in 1989. I love my huge butterfly hatch. It sails really well. One downside of the boats coming out of those yards in the day is the hull osmosis blistering. I'm currently in the yard in La Paz, Mexico having it addressed.
Some of the most beautiful interiors I've seen on boats-and you have to love those butterfly hatches! I looked at a HC38 that was so far gone that I feared it would financially (and emotionally) break me to try to restore it, but it was tough to see such a work of art going to seed. The teak decks (and underlying core) needing a complete rework are something always to watch out for!
So love the history you share.
Wendy and Magnus’ HC43 ketch rigged on CZcams channel Sailing Nutshell survived a propane explosion due to a leak and luckily Mangus and the hull was unharmed while the wood interior was in pieces and everything in the boat was thrown all over. They have it back together and have been sailing in Australia and goes to show you how well these boats are built.
Grew up sailing on an HC,l. Loved it so much I still have dreams about her 30 yrs later. Beautiful boats, stable & safe. Self / wind steering rig was a bit of a challenge to mount, in 15 years that is the worst I can say.
I easily mounted a Cape Horn vane to my 33T.
Well Tyler you are probably smarter than us.
The rounded stern made getting the backing plates set a bit of extra work but the real issue is it was an HC38T.
33 huh ? She is about as close to a perfect layout for serious sail travel in her size as I’ve ever seen.
All the best
Drew
I came to hear about the 33, 38t/38mk ii/43 etc. Now I'm waiting with my popcorn for that episode.
My dream boat.
The story continues… I have a HC 38 built in 1984. There was also the HC 41 and 48. There was also a connection to a Dutch boatyard where the larger HC were finished…
Looking forward to the HC 33 video!
I have sailed on a union cutter for a few days. The boat handles well and is comfortable. The only feature I didn’t like was the small cockpit. Even with just two people our knees were touching.. That’s is important because you spend most of your time at port .
very good episode thank you
Thanks. Great video!
The 33t is my dream boat❤❤
My dream was to own either an HC 33T or a 38 MK-V. I love those boats and have for years.
First! and thank you for making this episode!! Planning on getting my HC this year
Interesting boats indeed, Cheers
Great video and insights.
Very nice episode.
Nicely done! 🤙🤙
Great review.. thanks 🙏
Your tearing it up on this on love it thanks made me laugh nonstop!
My stepfather... a dedicated Carribbean cruiser with my mom for many years almost pulled the trigger on a Hans Chrsitian (cant recall the model) but went with the Whitby 42. I have a pic of him sitting on one looking rather pleased.
Oooooo love a whitby!!!
My favorite boat ever, too much teak to maintain it would drive me crazy 😂
Beautiful boats
Great stuff, I have the mini-HC,,,,A, 37 Tayana Pilot house. Imho many of the things mentioned also apply to the 37 Tayana, good and bad. Of course, Iam blinded by love for my boat. Appreciate all your work to put out really informative content, I meet people who have the cruising bug, and ask which boat to get to sail the world, I tell them a Catalina 27 30, or similar. go have fun learn, live aboard, that boat will teach you everything a larger cruising boat will, at a fraction of the cost. After a while, and you will know when, sell the boat, and get your dream boat. Just my 2 cents, again thanks. Cheers, Pops fl.
That was very interesting.
Love the Vinwiki t shirt! Ed is a great guy!
Good video.
Nice rundown on the HC’s you came across a couple of thing’s I did not in my research. I am the current owner of the HC 34 you have photos of in you video. It is a remarkable vessel, slow well yes but forgiving in spades. While other people are trying in vain to make a run from a major storm I will heave to and comfortably ride it out without the stress of running.
I have run at 5.5knots with the main and staysail in 15 to 20knots of wind. When most vessels are scurrying home with a small craft advisory a HC is right at home comfortable and safe.
8 to 10 foot swells you say, a HC plows through them as though they are 2 footers for other less capable vessels without slowing down. As I leave this comment I am sitting at anchor in no less than a 30 knot gale that is only noticeable because of the noise from the wind and the occasional drumming of a halyard when the wind catches it right. Last week I was on a mooring when a Santa Anna wind brought in 8 ft swells into the anchorage dipping my bowsprit, I was asleep in the v berth and woke up shortly after that, the only reason I know this happened is due to a friend who was awake and on deck of his vessel next to me. If you do not hop from marina to marina getting a slip in your travels. This is what the weight of these vessels gets you.
They are a little tight for room due to the canoe stern however if you are not a pack rat it’s quite doable.
Only 34 of the 34’s were built and recently due to the incompetence of a surveyor there is one less due to him running it into a dock piling causing major structural damages that reportedly totaled the vessel. From the build of these HC’s that is quite the feat indeed. I will be hanging on to mine doing the little bit of maintenance this vessel needs and upgrades to systems as I go. Hopefully leaving a remarkable vessel to a family member one day.
Thank you.
Loved detailed discussion, hope you do the Pearson 35. Bw Stainless steel and bronze are not really a problem for galvanic corrosion, see for example higher quality turn buckles.
Just an idea for a cool video: go over the boats of the Golden Globe Race. Pros and cons of each. Your selection, etc.
I was on my buddies Union 36. It was agonizingly slow, but comfy.
We have an Islander Freeport 41. Ketch Cutter rig. Also a Perry designed live a board go anywhere boat. We cruise mostly Lake Michigan right now until we’re ready to head south.
Come join us for a few days this summer.
Oh hey Sazerac is in my marina!
Very cool video.
Give-and-take with every boat more I I learn about the old boats the more I want to sell my bleach bottle boat!
My dad has a Baba 30. I takes more than a quick look to tell the difference between all those designed boats. All very similar….all very rugged…all sail better than they really should.
The pinnacle of this type is the Perry designed, Berg built, Baba line. HC/Tayana may be more well-known, but the Baba line is really the best in every measurable way.
Hello Tim. Thank you for a fascinating insight into the history of Hans Christian. Really enjoyed your presentation. Would be great if you could provide a supplement detailing where the last “48T builds” fit into the story of the HC series of iconic yachts.
Nice shirt, VinWiki is a great channel and perhaps could be an inspiration for a series of boat stories. I am sure there are many tales of "shrewd negotiating" in the boat world too.
Great information. I'm sure that takes a lot of research to find out everything.I have been a sailor all my live long but now like so many older sailors went over to trawlers. Was wondering if you could make a video like this about trawlers?
The 48T would be my boat of choice!
I would love to see your review of the Hans Christian 33, 38, 41, 43 and 48. Those are beautiful boats, but of course, like all boats, they have their pros and cons.
money not being an issue and being impossible to own a true Pilot Cutter (Bristol or Scillonian) this is the boat i would get. the 38ft Mark II just hits a sweet spot to my view.
Digging the Vinwiki shirt
Those Taiwan built boats used to arrive new in a cradle entirely made of solid teak.
Loved this one. Just bought a Perry boat. #Baba30
Do one on my last boat the #Flicka20. That's a good story.
One of
Perrys best, congrats. I have Tayana 37 Pilot house, love it.
Great videos...well researched and presented! Have you considered doing a piece on Mirage yachts? Bob Perry and Dick Steffan are a great source of information, and nice folks. I have a Mirage 33 and Bob has been a great help to me over the years.
Hello, very interesting and informative channel, but I wanted to ask, do you know what the hull of the Hans Christian 38 boat is made of, is there a balsa sandwich there?
... Cheers ...
Is a 64 jeanneau good bluewater sailboat? Does it track well on water?
Thank you for this. As a 6'6" tall guy, how's the headroom in the HC line of 38-45 foot boats? I'm having a difficult time figuring out where I can stand and where I can't on some of the sailboats. I understand the arguments about this being a concern. But, after enough time on various sailboats and spending time in the galley or hustling up and down the helm to forward cabin I grow tired of always being hunched over. Does HC have 6'8" plus of clearance? Do you recall?
What is the market value of a Hans Christian 33? I am thinking about retiring early and purchasing a live aboard for cruising.
was looking to buy one of the mentioned boats - Tayana - Union - Hans Christian -Cheoy Lee -but found a great deal on DownEaster 38 which some argue is comparable to a Westsail , would love to hear your review on Downeaster !
Sazerac at 8:34 is actually in my marina, pic is taken outside of the pontchartrain yacht club. It's kind of sad to see because it doesn't look nearly that good anymore :(
When I was looking, the big issue was the black iron tanks . Everyone leaked and the removal and replacement would be a nightmare.
Thanks for the review. Personally, I'm not a fan of the canoe style double ended sailboats. I would rather have the more modern wide aft end so davits could hang a dingy and make getting in easier after a swim.
I think the canoe stern makes it a little more complicated for solar as well.
Ya, wide stern also adds stability,
You can’t even begin to compare the ride these double enders give you, Cadillac ride and they track like freight trains!!
Have a look at the Alajuela 38 please.
I think as a sailor with a few years studying sail boats I have always believed that the use of plywood is NOT a great idea in sandwich construction ! After a few years they ALL TURN CHEESY , unless a very strict standard of maintenance is followed !
Cabo Rico boats had similar looks - however I would take a Supper Marimu anyday
Yes, it is.
What are your thoughts on a Hans christian 43? It's not the same bird as far as keel or rudder I know. But would love to have your opinion. Love your channel btw.
Can you make a video on the Hans Christian 33?
Can you please do a video on the chinook 34 1956ish to like 1972 I have one and there isn't much online about them. I have haul #8
Thanks 😊
Do Cheoy Lee next Captain!!!
Haven't even watched yet but 👍🏻
Didn't realize this was mostly a video with some guy talking.
Okay 'theft' or 'piracy for the design'. Have you seen a comparing boat with a pullman berth to the the 33? How many boats have a 'pullman' berth? How many 33 have a seperate shower? The HC 33 is unique in it's layout. Many like the 'sky light' but you give up cockpit room. For the right people, a 33" will hit every note.
I'm curious as to how their big sister, the HC 43 stacks up to these. The 34/36 is a bit small for my live aboard plans, but the 43 might be closer, if it is of similar construction and quality.
Hi there. I currently have a 1986 HC43T and it would make a terrific liveaboard IMHO. I particularly like the ventilation provided by the two port holes in the forward berth, which is unique to this model I believe. Lots of storage space and she sits at anchor like a brick, due to her weight and longish keel.
Happy to share more info if needed..
They are good for a museum.An aluminium Catamaran or trimaran is the best cruising vessel unless you go way south or north in winter.Then you want Arcticus or Skip Novaks yacht.HCs are old fashioned .
Too heavy, too expensive, too slow, can't turn. But undeniably beautiful!
How about the Gulf 29 (C&C hull heritage) (William Garden deck heritage) The Gulf 32 (?) William Garden, and the Saturna 33 another Garden design small pilot house cruiser. All CDN. heritage. Hell, just feature William Garden.
Try almost any Robert Perry designed Taiwan built cruiser..
Wat? The government doesn't take gift cards? Kidding. Thanks for a great video.
She will be mine... O yes, she will be mine.
Schwing
Hey
Best cruising boat ever made is a Samson marine ferro cement ketch. ...
Funny you show a Bristol channel cutter in the opening. Everything else is a glorified Westsail 😎
I would never consider a HC, credit given where credit it due and that is Bob's design and therefore has to be a Tayana.
I think you were very "lite" on the HC version ... Flaws.
You can still custom order Tayana's the last/newer one I saw was a 2014 T37 a beautiful example.
As for needing a full keel or a bull-nose keel leading edge design etc I will that as it is a matter of taste and mythology.
;-)
Valiant 40 ,.
Love Perry designs but more of a fan of William Garden. and all offshore boats have good and bad points due to the unconditional fact that everything in Yacht design is some form greater or lesser of a compromise.
Fibreglass so thick that teenage boys will try to slide into its DMs 😂😂
Fair Isle (a HC 48T), from Sailing Fair Isle, is absolutely beautiful, but there's a big difference between affording her and affording the H40 that we're refitting.
Have a look at Northern Dancer in Life is Like Sailing
Nice if you like canoes not so much if you don't want a canoe as a sailboat
looks good but the interior space is limited by it's design that doesn't carry a lot of beam aft. If you like the cigar box living and your into bob stay battling your anchor chain at night well then go for it. I've sailed on one and she was a delight but not my kind of cruiser.
A bottle of liquid cocaine! ? Yes please! I shall call it Coca-Cola! Millions!!!!
Are you making videos from your jail cell? Jk. Love your work. Thank you