GAY CONVERSION THERAPY SHOULD BE ILLEGAL
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- čas přidán 12. 09. 2024
- We talk to Nathan Dalley (@ndillydalley on Twitter) about his experience in gay conversion therapy and the thwarted attempt to make the pseudoscientific practice illegal in Utah.
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Just searched “conversion therapy in Utah” on google and Nathan’s face popped up. It was him shaking hands with a state representative and the article was about Utah banning conversion therapy. So happy for the success!!
Any "professional" involved should have their license and degree in psychology revoked.
Jake Jones I agree 100%
Amen!!!
They way the church influences politics in Utah infuriates me. They don’t care if it’s what they people want, they only care about their agenda even if it’s extremely harmful to others.
the church kind of built up utah....it's like going to the deep south and saying "the way that evangelicals influence politics infuriates me"........or going to the inner cities and saying "the way that minorities influence politics infuriates me".....Evangelicals push their agenda, minorities push their agenda, LDS push their agenda. We all push for our agenda. Your frustration is a result of your agenda not currently winning out. You would probably feel more at home and feel less frustration in Oregon or San Francisco
I feel so extremely lucky. I was sent to a Church Psychologist at 16 when I was outed to my family. She was so amazing, she flat out told my parents that there was absolutely nothing wrong with me and perhaps they should get help for their issues. She refused to refer me to a conversion therapy practitioner and gave me local resource information. She was excommunicated at the same time I forced my own excommunication. Several of my friends from church committed suicide due to shaming from the church, including my first bf. I am so thankful that you survived the experience.
I've never been one to agree with "fake it till you make it". Really, I think it just means, "fake it till you get good at faking it".
I never thought about it like that. That really is wise.
Fake it til you start to believe yourself 👍🏻
I guess it depends on context
For things like confidence or happiness actually it can be a positive cycle where faking it does help genuinely improve it
If my surname was Dalley, I would HAVE to name a first son Dillan-nickname Dilly.
and to Zelph - thanks SO much for interviewing people in your videos. your channel is awesome and i'm excited for you. you guys are beautiful. there is not a better religious truth channel than this. idk what to call it. you have everything. your testimonies, your love, your friendship, poetry, singing, beauty, laughter, what do you not have! lol.
I also live in Utah, and I'm trans and bi. It's a rough environment. I've been on the verge of suicide twice, but I have amazing friends who have kept me going. And I'm going out with another trans girl now and I'm so glad I'm still here to do that!
I live in Utah and I'm trans and pan I'm moving to a different state soon to where I have supportive friends and another supportive trans guy to help me find myself. Thanks for your comment it helped me realize I'm not alone.
I have a friend who lives in Utah and knows many people who are trans :) Knowing how it is living in Utah as a LGBT+ youth, it really makes me want to move to Utah so I can help in some way.
I really enjoyed this video. I did not grow up Mormon but rather Pentecostal, so just as sexually repressed. When I came out as a teenager in the 1980's, my mother took me to an exorcist! The only thing I can say about that is, if someone pesters you long enough, you will eventually vomit and they take that as a sign the demon has left your body! Kudos to you for the putting yourself out there and speaking publicly on subjects like this. I think I may binge on your videos now. Love and light to you both!
I grew up Pentecostal too. I mean I'm not gay but I always find a strong kinship when people leave the Pentecostal church
Thanks for sharing Nathan! So glad that you’re here and sharing your story.
Coincidentally I just watched the three-part Vice series on gay conversion last night. It was so sad it almost made me cry; you can see the level of entrapment and misery that these people are experiencing. They say that it’s their “choice” (these are adults) but how much of a choice is it if you’ve been indoctrinated from birth and your entire social circle reinforces that these feelings are “sinful”?
Okay but Nathan is the the most lovable person I want to hug him too 😭
I wrote a paper for school on why conversation "therapy" should be illegal
I was sitting in church one day and the Bishop's son was giving his farewell talk. I looked at him and though, "Gosh he's cute, I wonder what he looks like naked, I've gotta get out of here!" At the end of the meeting, I left and didn't return for two years, and that only to see a friend give his farewell talk. My bishop hadn't even noticed that I had been gone. I've never heard from the church again. Tanner I think you are beautiful!
When I came out to my parents, I had known for several years and had a strong network of friends. GSA is a life saver (the first person I came out to, who is my best friend and also gay took me there). I was already 18, and my mom suggested I go to a religious therapist. I said no, and she can't make me go. Unlike before, where she and my dad put me through several painful processes with therapy. I care about my girlfriend too much to want to be converted at this point. My cousin wasn't so lucky and got sent. He no longer talks to his parents. The church is fucked up. Especially in Utah. I'm just glad that the community is starting to be more visible and accessible.
Not for nothin but the Zelf guy is straight up Central Casting for the role of Satan. I mean no disrespect, just casting.
Thank you for your bravery in sharing your story!
Thank you so much for sharing this. I'm glad your friend survived and is doing well. This type of therapy is cruel and ignorant.
Thank yall so much for this video. Growing up in a very religious household, I wish I had known the struggles that some of my fellow peers were dealing with. No one should have to be told that they have to change something so naturally within them. 😭😭
what a lovely, incredible, resilient individual. thank you so much for this vid, guys
I’m so sorry you went through this!!
Whoop whoop Equality Utah! One of my friends is way involved in their work. Went to one of their events last year.
I'm so glad to hear from you on this topic.
I've seen a therapist as a younger teen who was a Christian but she gave me real help and didn't use religion to "fix" anything i was going through. I'm so sad for Nathan that he had to go through that! I'm glad you're out of there!
Great video, thanks! Makes me so sad young people in 2019 go through all this pain.
Thank you for posting this video. I (and my family in general) left the church with my brother when he came out. I almost lost him to suicide during parts of that process even with the love and support of his family, I can't imagine how it would be if you were alone throughout the process.
This channel is wonderful and one of the ones that helped me leave the church and come to terms with who I am and what I want in life. Thank you, Tanner and Sam. You helped save my life.
Zelph have you heard about Kwaku trying to challenge you for a debate?
We would love watch that debate. It's going to be an epic debate.
The reason I left was because I found out about the conversion therapy. I already knew it was abuse. And as someone who is trans and pan, it was disgusting to me. The thought still terrifies me.
How can I get involved in fighting this??
Thank You Nathan !!!
Will you guys be coming to pride this weekend?
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I totally agree it is cruel and unacceptable?
"Whatever you resist persists" This is what I want to do with my identity :( Guess not.
This is great, but you guys look like you're sharing the backseat of a taxi.
K. R. Peyton we are.
And I feel like I'm in the taxi with you. Thanks for this message guys. I love your content.
The fact that this doesn’t go without saying is just tragic
Therapy in general should be regulated much more tightly.
I think my bishop was the first person I told about being sexually abused as a child. It took me years to work up the courage to come forward and his reaction was okay but could have been better. He asked if I wanted to have counseling and I declined. Since I had "issues" with masturbation, he said that it would be good for me to not take the sacrament for a week in order to sort of get cleansed. He wasn't judgemental but the sacrament thing made no difference other than tipping off my family that something was wrong. My mom coming in the room later to ask me if I wanted to talk about why I didn't take the sacrament was sooo awkward. I couldn't even turn away from the computer to look at her. I just said that everything was fine. Bishops interviews were always an enormous source of apprehension for me.
I love these videos. You're so empathetic Sam, thanks for bringing awareness to this topic.
Nathan Dalley is a family name! I bet we are related!
Viki Victoria most likely! I was named Nathan because of it being a family name
I also came out to my bishop first and oof😬 i wasn't able to accept my bisexuality until over 2 years later
See, I wouldn't have an issue with this if it could be shown safe and effective, and was restricted to adults who want it.
Unfortunately, none of these apply.
I cried in front of my mom when I saw the trailer for boy erased, however I did not see it
Could those adults seeking such therapy get it if laws are prohibiting it?
how AWFUL! my family and I are very serious torah observant believers in Jesus and we have two little boys. I can't imagine thinking that anything could change anything about them. I used to be only attracted to women and I was taught it was wrong, so I prayed for years for God to help me abstain from women and to change, I don't know what happened but now i'm married to a man and i'm definitely straight. Women are attractive but NOT in the way they were before I changed. I don't know how it happened but it works for me. I am NOT saying that other people need to change. This is my personal journey and I am just sharing what happened to me
It'd be cool to see exactly what happened with you, cause I think you are not the only one. The thing is, some people would fixate in cases like yours to say that one can change sexuality at will, and that is not the case; that's why I think we should wait for people to be unbiased enough to really understand what happened with cases like yours. When people are more accepting maybe we'd see unbiased research on how sexuality fluctuates and why.
@@theyoutubeanalyst3731 I don't think her comment was constructive. Suggesting her change in sexual orientation was tied to prayer? I feel comfortable saying that propagating that notion has caused more damage than it's helped, even IF it was true for her.
@@garymarshstein8992 she was so clear in her being accepting of LGBT people that I wanted to give her the benefit of the doubt, and also... Like, we don't know if she had a weird coincidence that made her sexuality fluctuates towards more straight just around the time she wasn't accepting of her sexuality... I just don't want to tell other people "you're gay" or "you're straight", that's none of my business. But I'll say louder for the kids in the back, PRAYER DOESN'T MAKE YOU STRAIGHT. I tried it SO HARD for so many years. Doesn't work and trying is totally NOT worth it.
Well I appreciate your input but this is what I believe in my life
I wouldn't try to make anyone agree with me. 💛
Also I did say I prayed but I didn't say it was from praying I said I don't know what happened.
Gay conversion is a package deal with Mormon conversion providing the convert doesn't reciprocate during the laying on of hands.
I knew someone in my ward who committed suicide. I have never heard the details but I suspect it had something to do with this.
I would be interested in knowing about his relationship with his Morman family and did he remain a Morman.
He isn’t Mormon anymore!
@@ZelphOntheShelf Good for him. And his relationship wth his family?
Is that a kill bill jumpsuit??
btw, what was the video mentioned at 11:50? licensed therapist?
I truly believe that religion is one of only a few things in this world that can create violence. I just hope the world has a greater future than fighting over imaginary gods.
Great video!
Did Sam just say in the end "mostly straight people"? Are they bi? :D
I wish conversion therapy worked. I'd switch to gay that I might have a chance with @ndillydalley cuz he is so attractive. Hmmm... maybe I'm more gay than I thought. Xoxo
Wish my parents would understand english so i could show them that video ^^ they will so want me to go to conversion therapy when i come out to them as trans but luckily i dont live at home anymore so it wont affect me (at least not more than the hurt of rejection). But i guess i'll have to explain them myself how shitty this "therapy" is.
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Conversion therapy, like abortion, should be a choice that is left up to the patient and councilor. On whether that therapy has merit in your particular situation.
I have intimate knowledge of a friend who professed to benefit from conversion therapy. So, I believe an outright ban is not in the best interest of the community.
Perhaps, regulating the practice is in order, instead of a one size fits all political solution.
Lastly, nothing in psychotherapy (talk therapy) has been scientifically disproven.
Maybe, antidotally less reliable, but difficult to measure.
As a conqueror of CT, I'll ask how recent it was. Quite a lot of people claim it did them good and later recant. I am thankful that I fought it all the way and it never got a foothold.
It is a dangerous practice, and really unsafe for minors. As we let adults do things that are even more dangerous, I wouldn't have it banned, although it would seem fitting for there to be a sort of pre-warning session or two people would have to go through beforehand.
It's hard to imagine a neutral counselor coming up with such a recommendation, and the motivated counselors are the most dangerous. That may be a major sticking point; the only counselors I'd trust to provide the practice would probably hate the idea of doing so.
Well, I think it should be optional for people who want it. I do agree that the lds culture and social pressure from these organizations is very wrong.
Absolutely not, anyone that wants this treatment is not in a frame of mind that would allow them to genuinely consent on top of the fact that it is literally psychological torture.
@@Jdilly what of those abused or manipulated by leftist teachers and parents and maybe social pressure ? What of the raped by the same gender ? There are going to be different people abused who might want help in support in being straight.
@@ScentitarFragrance Then they should go to licensed therapists and counsellors who use techniques which have been proven to work.
@@ultimadeplete8299 I certainly agree
@@ScentitarFragrance Therefore we agree that no one should go to conversion therapy as it is demonstrably harmful and there are options out there which are proven to work.
Gay conversion therapy should NOT be illegal. Consenting Adults should have the right to participate in such therapy. However , the laws must require the person to first attend a government information session warning the dangers of such therapy and sign a waiver acknowledging they have received this information . Just as I should have the right to be gay if I choose. I should also have the right to be heterosexual or even bisexual. Just as God gives me the right to choose to believe in Him or to choose to not believe in Him.
no one chooses to be gay. conversation therapy is dangerous and helps no one. so yes, it should be illegal.
Mal yes conversation therapy is dangerous but conversion therapy as dangerous as it is, is a choice that a consenting adult can take part in. I just say they should have to take a course in the dangers of it and sign a waiver...I THOUGHT IT WAS RELIGIOUS NUTS THAT WANT TO MAKE ANYTHING THEY DISAGREE WITH ILLEGAL. Don’t be a jackass. People need to take responsibility not be turned into slaves and make anything the ruling party does not approve of illegal. Skiing and race car driving are dangerous too want to make those illegal as well?
It should be illegal. Being inadvertently convinced to kill yourself is WRONG on any moral level. UT should be ashamed of themselves. This is terrible that the people support this horror. I expected better from people who say they believe in Chirst. Its very possible the church growth will suffer in next generation cuz of the horror from this crap.
You are so completely correct if conversion therapy is dangerous .. well so is smoking... so is mountain climbing etc.. the answer is educate the public to the dangers...
Love and Light I just came to the real problem .. the bible is written completely in metaphors...
Metaphors.. theists don’t understand because they take it literally..... atheists don’t understand because the reject it completely.... who will understand ? How will I get them to understand?
Yes I have seen him on bill boards here. Thank you so much I've lost so many people to conversion therapy. Thank you. Thank you. I love Nathan and what he's doing.