Interpreting Hadith that Portray the Prophet Muhammad & His Companions Badly | Dr. Shabir Ally
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- Dr. Shabir Ally responds to a question about how to handle hadith that portray the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) negatively, such as those suggesting he was involved in unethical actions. Dr. Shabir points out that not all hadith have the same level of reliability; some might have been influenced by the political, social, or theological agendas of the time. This variability in reliability necessitates a discerning approach to interpreting these texts. Dr. Shabir suggests that if certain hadith present a picture of the Prophet that is starkly at odds with his widely acknowledged characteristics of compassion, justice, and ethical integrity, then these narratives should be critically assessed. He proposes that in cases where hadith are found lacking in authenticity or are out of alignment with the Quranic depiction of the Prophet, they might be set aside. This approach is not about dismissing traditional texts outright but about engaging with them in a way that is both respectful and intellectually honest, ensuring that interpretations uphold the moral and ethical standards that the Prophet (peace be upon him) is believed to represent.
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I would have left islam a long time ago if it was not for dr shabir ally on hadith forgery,its shocking how other scholars cant call it out,my faith is stronger than ever alhamdulillah Allah the only true god.
he is one of these modern scholars who have an open mindset, I think that's how it should be. Most of the scholars or preachers are very strict without an open mind and it creates more problems than solutions.
You are sadly mistaken. Shabir Ally makes many mistakes. His daughter appearing exposing her face is great sin.
@@haddadfarook7424 Every man is bound to make mistakes, you are saying other scholars are perfect and don't make any mistakes? Anything but God is prone to error. Exposing her face is a great sin - which religion you are following even? It seems you are an ignorant fool.
Just pray Allah makes you steadfast in the deen. But Shabir is not even a scholar. Man keeps twisting a lot of meanings and narratives.
@@haddadfarook7424 the fact that you can say her exposing her face is a great when Allah didnt state its a great sin and clearly say to cover EXCEPT what you need to use shows exactly the imoact of you hadith worshippers and yout hate for the true muslims and Allah,its sad use will let so many muslims leave islam because use insists on these filty hadith than address it.Pathetic and sad.
The sources of religion are: Quran and Sunnah.
Hadith is not sunnah,
and sunnah is not Hadith.
Hadith is historic record of Prophet’s time. It is not an independent primary source of religion.
Any Hadith that doesn’t conform Quran, should be rejected.
100% correct,may Allah always keep you guided
making a distinction between hadith and sunnah is a really intelligent way to put the main problem forward.
what people find problematic is the trustability of the hadith.
if we had a video record of the life of last prophet we would not having this discussion of hadith.
it is all about historical reliability.
ty mister for clear articulation.
You did not tell us what the Sunnah is?
Agree
But these days I realize how strong hadith's history is. With multiple independent chains and so on. I am not against hadith history anymore. It is a treasure.
With the advent of the INTERNET the amount of "should"-s and "gotta'-s has become a chaotic out-cry from individuals, organizations and even governments and movements. I believe it is a blessing of Allah (swt) that the final determinations are from Allah and are based not on what cultures or groups believe but on what Allah knows of our individual Hearts. As an old man, I have the experience of Life that informs me how biased and misguided the opinions of the many can be. In response, I pray, earnetly for guidance rather than stuggle to comply with every dictate that comes to my awareness. Thank you so very much for being one of the mainstays that informs me in such an encouraging and balanced manner.
May Allah grant you ease.
you seem like a collected and well thought man. respect. mainstream scholars still fear talking about hadith openly.
Always introspective I love these videos!!
I am a former apostate, and Alhamdulillah Allah S.W.T showed me the right path, and I converted to Islam. I have been doing great Dawah in many years with a great result. Allah S.W.T. helps me and my fellow Muslims in my mission. 🙏🙏🙏❤️❤️❤️
please apostate again
@@jj-yi1ne why should I do that?
most times, the historical context of which the hadith is presented is not documented
We have to base everything on the Quran and any hadith that contradict the Quran regardless of is they are "sahih" or not must be taken with a grain of salt.
no matter what or how you try to justify it. it's pedophilea. and I hope you are not a beliver
Hadith are written by Sheitan. 😈🧿🧿🧿😈
JazakAllah MashAllah
Very confusing. Muslims generally believe the Bible to be corrupt. And that comes from the fact that the Bible does not always agree with their narrow and literal interpretation of Islamic dogma. Yet, these same Muslims are heavily dependent on the Hadiths, a body of work whose authenticity for the most part is questionable - even though the Qur'an says "Is it not enough that we have sent to them the Book?" (Surah 29:51).
My concern has to do with the harm and pain being caused around the world by Muslims based on their interpretation of accounts from the Hadiths rather than the Qur'an.
It is rather sad.
1. The Bible being dubious is a historical fact. Its not that because the Bible doesn't agree with the Quran that means its corrupt. The Bible being correct is something the people who believe in it take on faith.
2. Quran is historically what the Prophet Muhammad claims God told him to recite.
3. The Hadith are compilations of narratives Muslims use to expound on the Quran
4. The verse you are referring to is a challenge to the Arabs the the Quran is a miracle and if they claim its not that they can try to produce a better book and refute its.
When something is mentioned in the Quran, there nothing left to argue, and when it comes to Hadith and its interpretation, your concern is absolute, every hadith is interpreted in the light of the Quran. And Bible is not a corrupt book, but the current so called Bible in your is corrupted.
@@idrisaleemdar really? well, there is enough in Quran that is terrible, violent...kind of explains a lot of the history and today
The problem, as far as I'm aware, Muslims have with the Bible is that people, us humans, have changed, added, and taken out parts of it to fit a narrative from its original form. That's why it's considered corrupt. The Quran has been kept in its original form since Prophet Mohammads (pbuh) time.
@EK-fc8ms I don't know how the Quran is anymore violent than the Bible. The Quran teaches Muslims to only attack those who are attacking them, to stop attacking if the aggressors aren't attacking, to accept the aggressors surrender and stop attacking and do no harm to them, and that during conflict to /never/ attacking women, children, or civilians. That's chapter 2 I believe. I don't remember which chapter it's mentioned in next, the Quran talks about how the Pagans are attacking the Muslims again. Allah relays to Mohammad to relay to the Muslims that they can defend themselves but! If any pagans seek refuge from. The Muslims, they are to treat them well, teach them about Islam(note TEACH because the Quran specifi ally says that Islam is NOT Obligatory) and if they don't want to be Muslim, and wish to go somewhere else, the Muslims are to protect them and take them somewhere safe.
The "violent" stories I've heard from the Quran either have to do with Muslims protecting themselves from persecution, or are stories about old prophets that we've already heard other interpretations of from the Bible and Torah.
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Thank you Dr. Shabir, I'm a Qur'anist (out of respect for what traditionalists believe do not claim to be Muslim), but your work always reminds me that Sunni Islam is in fact logical and moral, despite my disagreements with it. I would love to hear more about the Sunni forms of Jurisprudence, especially on Imam Malik creating the first extensive and accurate work on anthropology, he and Al Shafi'i were clearly geniuses. But specifically could you cover the Mu'tazila, as Western ears with exegesis in mind are much more likely to convert to a tradition with logic at its center, with the added benefit of domestically believing in religious freedom which means no new Mutazilite inquisition.
Your work s invaluable to all sound followers of Muhammad, peace be upon him. Thank you from the bottom of my heart.
I tried that for a while, and respect the opinion. It definitely makes things easier because then one doesn’t need to justify or interpret Hadiths that go against our own sensitivities. But honest question, how do you pray? Or fast or perform many of the characteristic actions that people would associate with being a ‘practicing’ Muslim? I appreciate you said you don’t identify as a Muslim, but I guess what I’m asking is, do you do those things like fast a certain way, do wuddhu a certain way, pray a certain way and a certain number of times etc? Because you could only do that by taking information from the Hadith.
@@sahb8091
As an English only Qur'anist I'm afraid I might disappoint you, but here it goes.
As a westerner, specifically as an ex Evangelical, I was brought up to merely fold my hands, lower my head, and talk to God whether out loud or silently in my own language, as such I feel an attachment to that form of worship, and without the Ahadith giving instructions on Adab, this seems like a decent way to pray. The given text in the Qur'an isn't full of rituals toward this activity, but does describe three times a day that you should be praying in, presumably with the ability to pray more times or less.
In my opinion at least in English only Qur'anism fasting must be regulated by Eisegesis (adding your own views to scripture without any appeal to authority). Eisegesis can be used to turn every issue into tens of thousands of opinions that differ wildly which can be used to steel-man or soften your religious beliefs in your own eyes.
The practice of fasting is obligatory, but it's repetition is optional, although obviously you have to go from sunrise to sunset without food or drink. If you decide to do that as part of your religious practice you can do it as often as you want as well.
Cleanliness in general is encouraged, and becoming near to God at specific times three times a day one would assume the nearer to God you go the holier things get, as such something like wudu is necessary, but not in any particular form, I just make sure that I'm not praying without some form of Ablution.
Going on Hajj is still valid as I consider Muhammad to have been a highly moral, historical figure that received revelation specifically in Mecca and Medina, and then throughout the Arabian Peninsula. The historicity of the Sahaba and also of the Prophet (Peace be upon him) are incontrovertible. This is proved by a miraculously large Sahaba lead conquest backed by scripture and the Ahadith on the Prophet's (Peace be upon him) Haqq so rapid and all-encompassing that it stands up with the West's colonial empires well, especially considering the communications technology.
The Muslim world then flourished as a pre-cursor to modern Western intellectual culture because they absorbed the Aristotelian spirit of inquiry, which, horrifically, ended in a masse inquisition. This should not deter people from seeking the basic rationalism of the Mu'tazila, after all my goal is to convert the West, not just a segment of it like Andrew Tate, but the entire society.
Westerners take reasoning as a cultural value so far that it even stopped them from believing in a God. Plus, my new religion has the advantage of being true. No one, no culture, no king, no emperor can stand before truth, especially in the West.
I want to know about Quranists beliefs, Can you tell me about any English Quranist Scholar?
you can't justify pedophilea
I think we have to be honest with ourselves and accept what these "bad" ahadith say.
Are you an enemy of Islam?
Are the enemy of Islam?
Do you hate Islam and the prophet Muhammad?
Btw ''masal/a'' in Turkish means made up/fictious stories.
Are you a mufti of fiction?
The word 'masal' probably comes from Arabic, I'm not sure, someone who knows can englighten us.
It is because of fiction and made up stories that men became to be worshipping anything other than The Creator /The God,
like other men, trees, animals, sun, moon, spirits of things etc etc.
Which is The Creator sent prophet upon prophet to remind humankind that there is a Creator and only that Creator should be worshipped.
@KenanTurkiye is this guy an enemy of Islam that he likes to demonize Islam?
A theologian for our times. The greatest Islamic duo on the Web. Huge admiration for these two scholars.
Sounds like Post Hoc reasoning. One assumes the content is wrong so a reason is invented to dismiss what one doesn't like.
The problem with that is it calls into question all of Islam. If the Quran come through those same lips so willing to lie, how can we trust anything?
The Quran is the reference point because we know for 100% the Prophet said it. The Hadith are to expound on the Quran if they contradict the Quran or reason then they are disregarded. It has nothing to do with disliking or liking them. For instance the Quran says marry women as in physically and mentally grown women. There is a hadith that claims Ayesha was 9 yrs old. Regardless of whether we like it or not we look at the Quran and use that as the reference point. Because we know that children in Islam cant consent according to the Quran. Then we conclude that either Ayesha was physically and mentally at 9 (scientifically it is possible although rare) or someone got the age wrong. Personal preference has nothing to do with it.
The Quran says he was the best of human being , so incase he did something wrong therefore, the historical facts in Hadiths ( most authentic) must be wrong because the Quran says he was the best
Good luck then , apply that to any other person, you will never agree to that
Sad fact about religion I guess
@@grinningchicken How do you know that? Has it been told to you so much that you believe it without question, or can you prove it. The variants of the Quran prove it has not been perfectly preserved.
Where does it say the Quran views women and physically and mentally grown? Where did you import that concept from? 65:4 puts pre-pubescent girls in the category of women.
Muhammad said silence is consent regarding young girls. Does that comport you your understanding?
@@charlesmuhmanson3928
....then marry what seems suitable to you from the women two, or three, or four [4:3]
The word Nisa refers to grown women Sabiya is prepubescents
Test the orphans until they reach a marriageable age; then, if you find them to be mature of mind/sound in judgment, hand over to them their possessions. [4:6]
Here Quran making a distinction between age and maturity by not allowing Orphan to have property until they understand what they are doing with it which will be close to physical maturity.
@@grinningchicken The problem is Muhammad thought 9 was the age of a woman.
4:6 is about handling their possessions.
How do you explain the Sahih hadiths then? Even the sources considered most authentic after Quran like Bukhari and Muslim have accounts that the prophet participated in and preached those acts.
Aisha (RTU) narrated most of the Ahadith related to female issues in Islam. Moreover, in Macca or Madinah no one criticised the happy marriage of Hazrat Aisha (RTU) with Rasoll Allah (SAW).
Isn’t it also possible that just because the Quran say’s Mohammed was the best of human beings, but what he did was something opposite based on the sahih Hadith’s, then we should consider this inconsistency, otherwise good luck in becoming critical thinker
No other person gets that much benefit of the doubt in the world
Just my opinion, thanks
can you really be this ignorant
@@jj-yi1neDoesn’t the Quran say it’s protected and that you don’t need any other book other than it ?
He also reported God’s messenger as saying, “Islam began as a small religion and will return to the state in which it began. Then blessed will be the few [who hold to it]'
Grade: Sahīh (Zubair `Aliza'i) Ref: Mishkat al-Masabih 159 In-book reference: Book 1, Hadith 152. ISLAM will become TINY, as Muhammad prophesized. Apostacy growing.
…this is one of many reasons why Hadith is not associated with true Islam. You cannot say some of them are valid when it is all hearsay to begin with.
You know sometimes when you read the Holy books I don't care which one it is Torah Tanakh Quran whatever you know like you wonder Odell versus the you know that gets you to think I mean look at the prime minister of Israel he used verses from the Torah to justify all these killings that he's doing to the Palestinians
You mean the reaction to his country being attacked on Oct 7th and his people are still hostages in the terror tunnels? Does he need any more justification than that?
If the Gazans want peace, they should overthrow Hamas and release the hostages instead of cooperating with Hamas and allowing Hamas to use them as human shields.
Hello all, can someone explain to me the following questions about Islam and the Hadiths?
1. It is stated in Hadith Sunan an-Nasa'i 3378 "The Messenger of Allah married me when I was six, and consummated the marriage with me when I was nine, and I used to play with dolls." - Does this really mean she was 9 years old, I could have maybe believed that she was older but then the doll part doesn’t add up?
2. It is stated in Sunan an-Nasa'i 4059
"Whoever changes his religion, kill him." - Can someone explain me why a person doesn’t get a 2nd chance because a devil can mess with one’s head or he might be going through a hardship, why does death have to be an option here?
1. Check out Mufti Abu Layth's video about the age of Aisha, he debunks that hadith, including the dolls part. that entire hadith has been fabricated
2. This hadith is obviously fabricated since it contradicts Quran 2:256. Also the hadith doesn't even make sense since it doesn't even say what religion you changed from
Think about it let’s say ur standing in the day of judgement in front of Allah swt do u think HE will punish you for questioning hadith like angels curse wife . Women prostrate to husband blah blah women are deficient even thought there is nothing like this In the Quran ?
Q19:54 Q14:39 Q11:71 Q 11:71 Q6:84 Q19:49 Q21: 72( as extra addition to who???) Q 29:27 Abraham had 3 sons ( Triplet's ) so she smiled not 2 and Jacob was his third son not grandson this is fabrication palgenrized from Jewish writing's and storie of slave hajarvson being Ishmael the disgusting story of Hager + pharoah is A fabrication the pharonic dynasty only existed 18th dynasty before that in Abraham's time they was called kings not pharoah example Sura Yusuf and Jacob being the son of Isaac is a fabrication for the land to make Jews inheriters which contradictory Qur'an ❤❤❤❤
How if the adith comes from his timeline.. U said u cant take the truth if he is devil of his desire.. 😂😂This guy is winning his pocket, winning his believing. Even he knows its sometime not accurate😂😂🎉🎉🎉
So dismiss the ones that attribute evil to him. Seems like a cop out. JESUS is HOLIER than Muhammad
Hadith depending upon the writer's sources of information.
There are two kinds of hadith strong and weak.
Weak hadith is a piece of information not from direct source , a long chain of sources and write long after the death of holy prophet
these cant be justified
Even the Quran mentions occasions where Muhammad slaughtered people, then why would we not believe that he did, if Quran is the most trustworthy source of Islam? (I also cannot really understand that when Dr. Ally mentions "Aisha wasn't even that young, he was at least 10" in the end of the video, does 10 not seem too young to him as well?)
Quran 33:60-62:
60: If the hypocrites, and those with sickness in their hearts, and rumour-mongers in Medina do not desist, We will certainly incite you ˹O Prophet˺ against them, and then they will not be your neighbours there any longer.
61: ˹They deserve to be˺ condemned. ˹If they were to persist,˺ they would get themselves seized and killed relentlessly wherever they are found!
62: That was Allah’s way with those ˹hypocrites˺ who have gone before. And you will find no change in Allah’s way.
I even read the commentary of a Hungarian Muslim sheikh (since I am a Hungarian), Mihálffy Balázs, who wrote these lines about these ayahs: "The indecent, disgusting rumour that was spread in the city of the Prophet had to be ended. The simplest but most understandable words were effective."