@@phongpham6749 Well actually M isnt 100% his daughter shes a clone the only part that is his daughter is the soul allegedly much like how glimmer is mentioned as kinda his daughter but not really.
ghondor calling mio as "mum" and saying how she wouldnt have wanted this either and mio having that horrified look on her eyes just breaks me, i feel bad for both ghondor and mio they both had a pretty depressing life if you think about it
That part was actually mistranslated, due to an error involved with Japanese sometimes omitting verbs, due to them being implied through context. This person can probably explain it better. czcams.com/video/Naxm2MPQUK0/video.html
Ghondor: "What about Mum? Did she want this too?" N: "You don't need to know. The burden is mine alone to bear." That's actually sad. Even N himself also dont want this to happen. But he can't, because he choose to become a Moebius, a choice that makes him regret forever until he finally redeemed himself in the end of base game.
What's worse is how slightly broken N sounded after answering to Ghondor. He would've cried, but after all that he's been through his eyes have completely dried up.
N’s character arc is truly heartbreaking. One moment he had it all, and once he became mobeus, everything fell apart. Accidentally killed his own son, told off and punched in the face by his great grandchild, lost his wife, he went through hell and back. All because of one bad decision.
You know, him telling Ghondor that his actions and his reasons are his 'burden' was pretty telling that N didn't actually agree with his own actions and regrets it, but he can't change or go back at this point.
That's basically his whole character. N wants to believe that he made the right choice, when in reality he knows how much misery this has brought upon him and his loved ones.
He didn't even go there to kill him,he goes there to seek alpha,if he wants to destroy the city,he would've done it years ago,why wait till 3 generations?his interaction with Matthew also contradict his purpose.if his sole motivation was to revive M by killing city refuge, ain't no way he let Matthew away,not to mention he stall Matthew from going to origin instead of offing him. I think N thought he can abandon everything and probably almost destroy the city,but maybe he saw young ghondor and then stay away, unable to go back to his son or continuing with his plan to revive M
@@HeliosThor64That even the reason why Noah came into existence as N self-hatred and regret was stong stong it became its own person. Hell, it's also the reason why he could even fight and beat Alpha by himself as his conflicting emotions give him much more power.
Interesting enough he seems to hesitate with Matthew as well and even let him punch him in the face showing that he still has a soft spot for his family. Na'el is the only exception and that's mostly because she has Alpha inside of her and even them N impiles he felt somthing during his frist attack against her
I think the act of slaughtering the City as a whole does it. Him killing Ghondor drove it in harder but even in the main game he's hesitant to go through with it.
Really wish we got more of Gondhor after seeing this scene. His background and place in the story are really interesting, he's clearly quite smart considering how quickly he pieces out the finer details of what's going on, and he seems extremely strong as well. Even just a bit more would have been great.
Noah has a habit of not telling people things (name of his sword, what happened to N, an early scene with Taion reminiscing about the Saffronias). It's semi-hilarious in the main game. It's sad af here *edit* (and also the time he first took out lucky seven - a heroic moment in direct contrast to this: "looks like the time's come!" mio: "what are you talking about?")
This whole scene has "Anakin Skywalker falling to the dark side" vibes. When this whole thing starts, N is still Noah. Hes a tad older and of course joined Moebius, but not gone yet. Theres still something of Noah left within him. You can see it in how he still cares about Ghondor, how he fights Alpha and responds in defiance of her demands. But the instant Ghondor dies, Noah dies too. That final bit of goodness, that heroic spark, is fading fast. Only lasting long enough to help Matthew stop Alpha. And the worst part is that it wasnt even what Z made him do. Z seemed to just want Alpha gone, for understandable reasons. That's why Noah is reborn from Ns regrets instead of N just trying to kill Z. Because N has no one to blame for killing his own boy but himself.
As someone has already said, the part that brakes me the most is that even Ghondor being old, he feels helpless, like a lost child. He lived a life around the last words of his father just to see his own father shatter everything he told him to do, going from a lovely father to him to N sidding with what once he seeked to destroy. And asking if M wanted that too, like if he failed to both of his parents...
Added to the fact his beloved granddaughter has been taken over Alpha and is now working against everything he believes in as well. Either one would be heartbreaking, both happening at ounce through was just soulcrushing the fact he still didn't fall and kept working to try and save all his family is so impressive
So N didn't actually kill Ghondor, and it was a cinematography trick to make it seem so. (I guess the blood comes from his hands holding the sword) Everything about this scene adds so much complexity to N's character, whose writing kinda fell short in the base game (in comparison to Malos, Amalthus, Jin, Egil). This scene finally managed to sell N as a truly tragic villain to me.
This DLC show us N still have a heart (Look at his eye still bright green) but add on Drama We know N wipe out city for resurrect M he should do it after his born to Mobius but dlc tell us he wait his son got old around 70 year and he always act like evil but he can't kill his bloodline (Except Nael Alpha took her body best way is kill them both)
@@yazsamandi7148 It seems like N actually goal wasn't to destroy the city but to simple kill Alpha as he was a threat to everything. It's pretty clear by his reaction that he did not want to hurt Ghondor and seeing how Alpha pulled up him using Na'el body before and his reaction to seeing Matthew it's clear he still has a soft spot for his family
idk i found N to be a very compelling villain, he was man broken by being a slave to the cycle again and again and eventually had no choice but to give in to it because he could find no way out and he worked as a great foil to noah showing what he could easily become.
Despite being the boss, N talking at 3:01 kinda makes him feel like the protagonist. Sort of a glimpse into his previous life as Noah. Almost made me want to root for him in that moment.
I'm aware alot of people are saying Main game Noah is born from Matthew's interactions with N, but is there a possibility that Noah might have actually been born of N's interaction with Ghondor instead?
@@Luke-pp2lw To me it would make more sense since Ghondor activated the power in the vicinity of N himself. But im not opposed to the idea of Matthew since Matthew is the one who said 'It could even be you' but oh well there's no concrete answer for now.
Possibly but I personally don't think so due to Mio and M being split the same way. Unless there's some untold event that separately enabled Mio to split from M I would have to assume the same event split both of them and M only drops in after this happens here.
Anyone else notice at 5:07 it looks like N is trying to pull the sword away but Ghondor is holding onto it tight meaning N didn't kill Ghondor at all. He commited suicide...
Or he didn’t want N to pull the sword out so he could attack Na’el, Matthew, or anyone else. Either way, having the strength to keep a sword inside of your body while someone else is pulling it out is impressive.
Bro what I really wanted is for N to cry to at least show how he felt ashamed for himself....but what shocked me the most in this story is that Matthew punched him and N didn't even do anything and let it happened
N is literally what most people do especially man which was a mistake never talk about their problem and stay silent bearing all the burdens they have - Have to destroy city because of Alpha (not Z) - Accidentally killed his own son and becomes more depressed - Mio came late to the city and she only saw N and the destroyed where she assumed N is destroying the city and their offspring without thinking and from Z's order the event when he attacked the city he NEVER tells people the reason even to M his own wife the only people who actually knows it are the party members in FR and they understand why it has to happen
I'm going to assume M doesn't know the full story. According to M, N destroyed the city without remorse only to bring her back. None of these events are mentioned by M, and it's likely she has no idea about them. Only N, and maybe Noah, know about what happened.
@@Cloud-vn4nx that just makes noah and n's confrontation in origin even sadder when he asked "how could you murder the city's people? They were your own kin."
@@ittlenanzo7744 I like these revelations of what happened in the massacre of the original city, in the game, N's deal with Z looks like the typical sadistic deal with a demon, but it really was something albeit brutal but necessary to slow down Alpha's plans, and M that does not know the whole truth makes it sadder
@Cloud1411 Well, the "contract" made between N and Z was that he will have to protect the endless now and in exchange could have eternity with Mio. So destroying the city is part of that too. He had to destroy it because it was fuel for Alpha, by Z's orders, to protect the endless now. This was also most likely his first mission and Mio was brought back to life as M by Z once the city was destroyed (thus why she teleported to N once everything was over)
The bgm after N and Alpha fight and when Ghondor stops N sounds like a new version of the main 3 theme, but I haven't seen it posted with other OST rips of Future Redeemed. Am I missing where this plays in the main game, or is this a new track? It's fuckin' great.
this whole accidental murder scene felt a lot like the ending of God of War 2, Kratos tries to kill Zeus (his father) by running him through with the Blade of Olympus, but Athena (Zeus' daughter and Kratos' half-sister) pushes Zeus out of the way and gets killed instead, much to Kratos' shock and horror. but in this game, N tries to kill Alpha/Na'el (N's great Grandaughter), but Ghondor (N's son) steps in front of N's Sword and gets mortally wounded, much to N's shock and horror.
A mix of both, it seems as the city population was unknowingly impowering Alpha, so they had to be at least reduced in number to make sure N could kill Alpha. N killed any city members that got in his way but, for the most part, didn't seem to be targeting them, and if Ghondor had not thrown himself between Alpha and N it's possible he would have left it alone afterwards
He doesn't want to kill him or destroy the city,he only after alpha.i think he thought he can abandon everything to revive his wife,but he is still not cold enough to kill his own kin. My theory is after becoming mobeus,he tried to destroy the city,but glimpses upon his son, probably in his teen,and can't bring himself to continuing his plan to revive M. Then,he basically just stay still, unable to go back to his son because he became mobeus,but also unable to revive M because he can't kill his son. I hated alpha for using his families as meat shield against him. You can see that N is pissed when alpha tried to use Matthew to cover for him using nael,N be like "b*tch,not this again". He said the city refuge are alpha source of power and says he will kill them,but let Matthew off several times,not to mention that he only stall him
Nah he didn't go there to confront Alpha, N was explicitly ordered by Z to slaughter the Citizens, and he agreed to get Mio back. Alpha only began to act in response to N's attack, and that's when N switched targets.
@@Liezuli lol then why wait so long to attack? And why only attack nael? Why not Matthew? And why he looked shocked when he stabbed ghondor? Why he became mad in 3? He literally become dead inside when the city destroyed, you can see the camera zoom in his eyes, even after M is resurrected he still dead inside, because he killed ghondor, that's why Noah said he has regrets
@@yogafajarwicaksono8009 He didn't wait, it was Z that waited because he needed N to weaken Alpha. He didn't only attack Na'el, he literally shows up to kill Matthew in Prison Island, that's why he has a boss fight. He looked shocked when he stabbed Ghondor because A: he was caught off guard and B: because that's literally his son, and out of everyone that's the one that hits him hardest emotionally and breaks his facade. He's mad in 3 because Noah is there. N hates himself for being too weak to save Mio and for abandoning his path, and he projects that onto Noah who is a living reminder of his past self. Noah is also a living reminder of everything that N tries to deny, like that he should've chosen to go on fighting and that he deeply regrets his choice. N was already dead inside when he accepted Z's deal to kill the citizens, the light is already missing from his eyes. Ghondor's words forced him to acknowledge his regret, which did make it worse. I don't disagree with everything you're saying in the original comment, actually I think most of it checks out, it's specifically him being after only Alpha that I disagreed with.
@@Liezuli but he didn't attacked Matthew and nael by endgame? Sure Matthew and n said both run out of power, but isn't Matthew and nael still city refugees? What I mean by why not killing Matthew is, why not kill him straight away? Why wait till he is on prison island,why not when he just still with A. And he seems like very different from the base game, he explains his reasons to Matthew a lot, even in prison island, he interpret ghondor choices as him siding with N cause to stop alpha, because ghondor is the one that destroys the city using uroboros, no N, that's why Matthew said "grandad would've never side with the likes of you" Then let Matthew punch his head, he even go so far to warn Matthew not to chase nael, if his intention was to kill Matthew, there'll be no warning, which is why again in the end, he said "mobius will never change", and Matthew ask " Does that includes you? ", N answer is " Naturally ", naturally isn't the word you usually using if you're so eager to carry on your plan, it's almost as if N already regret his choices but can't pull back, this " Naturally ".and lastly tho, iirc, N never attack another city in the past right? Only ghondor city, and only after alpha appears, why was that? Isn't the requirements is to destroy all city? He never has any malice towards anyone other than alpha and Noah afaik, because colony 9 are also full of city refugees but N never attack them at all
@@yogafajarwicaksono8009 He's still *Noah* of course he's not gonna be too eager to kill the last of his kin. That doesn't mean he isn't willing to do it when it comes down to it, though. He warned Matthew that he wouldn't let him reach Alpha, and intended to kill Matthew for trying to. But by the end, Matthew words were getting through to him, which is why he stopped fighting back. He knew Matthew was right. Ghondor's explosion is what did the final blow to the City, but even before he did that, N was already killing people and blowing things up using the Moebius scrabs. He would've ended up destroying it anyways. There were no other Cities in the past. The City we see in 3 came after and had to be hidden. And the reason N didn't attack the Liberation base is because they had a ceasefire with Z. N *DOES* regret his choices, but at the same time he tries to deny it and tries to justify his actions.
Okay I just thought of something if mio really is rex and nia daughter wouldn’t that make rex Matthew’s great-great- grandfather. How old is shulk and rex because by that logic they should be really old men but they look like they’re pushing towards their 50s
@@rageforprometheusUnless Melia being in storage by Z kept her from aging as they would want her to live for ever as she is the key to orgin we know that Blades dont age like humans either. The nopon have alwasy been odd balls and we know from XC1 they can live up tp 10000 years. We dont really have anynproof that Rex and Shulk dont age same for the other liberators
The reason why N/Noah did it is because he wanted to be with M/ Mio to live so he can be with her forever, to do that, he has to take the lives of the people of the city and his Descendants.
It's implied N had been undecided on destroying the City before he was aware of Alpha, he attacked the city because Alpha was that dangerous that he had no choice other than to act if he was to stop Aionios destruction which would render everything he sacrificed pointless. That it lined up with Z's deal meant that at least the lives wouldn't be just wasted. It was Z being an ass that he only revived her after he had killed everything and N's guilt meant he refused to justify his actions, leading M to believe he only massacred the city for her life when in reality he had to stop Alpha.
@@vc180191 yeah I get it but,having him kill his own great granddaughter who was taking over by Alpha, that's cold and unforgiving, Mio or M will never forgive him for that.
@@justindavis-smith8462Ture, but what other option did he really have? Even Shulk and Rex were not sure if Alpha could be removed to be fair I'm pretty sure Rex wasn't aware of the connection he had with Na'el at least at this point in time.
@@4wheal He made a choice between the old and the future life essentially, the city would have lived on without Aionios. It was either the City or Keves and Agnus essentially. So, yeah there is debate to which is the better choice.
Not only Matthew, Na'el and Ghondor, a lot of the cast here are actually related to Rex. N is his son in law A is a part of Ontos, who is technically the sibling of Pneuma and Logos, so A is a relative to Rex. Glimmer is his daughter with either Pyra or Mythra So yea, it is kinda complicated due to Rex the gigachad haha
@@alanamadorrosas4025 yeah I still don't really get how Shulk and Rex are still alive during Future Redeemed, but I think it has to do with them being avatars that Origin let out into the world to stop Alpha. Although, that doesn't really explain how Panacea (Reyn + Sharla's daughter) and Linka (Zeke + Pandoria's daughter) are alive and young unless they were soldiers who were freed from the cycle which I'm pretty sure they're not. Oh well, guess let's just chalk it up to Aionios being so chaotic that exceptions can occur.
Oh he definitely killed some people in the city and his actions did lead to its destruction so he is not blameless. All this shows is that there was more to it then M knew
Ok i am so lost, so did the main game happen before or after this? Or did the whole keves and agnes war just start all over again cause mellia and nia kicked the bucket after old age even though nia is imortal ? I refuse to buy the game without getting 1 and 2 , and seeing as 2 is pretty much worth gold its impossible to buy at a good price so im trying to catch up from 1 using playthroughs, 2 was easy to follow but three is as convaluted as a rubix cube in the shape of hexagon
The most heartbreaking part of this for me is that M never even got the chance to see her son again after all those years.
What do you think her reaction might be if she finds out about N stabbed their son?
How about maybe never getting the chance to meet her great-grandchildren either
@@ch62013 Kinda similar to Matthew’s I’d imagine. Only not as angry and vengeful and more heartbroken and betrayed.
And rex can't see M.his daughter
@@phongpham6749 Well actually M isnt 100% his daughter shes a clone the only part that is his daughter is the soul allegedly much like how glimmer is mentioned as kinda his daughter but not really.
ghondor calling mio as "mum" and saying how she wouldnt have wanted this either and mio having that horrified look on her eyes just breaks me, i feel bad for both ghondor and mio they both had a pretty depressing life if you think about it
Idk I feel like Ghondor atleast had a good life up until the end, but even then he died protecting his beliefs and the future
That part was actually mistranslated, due to an error involved with Japanese sometimes omitting verbs, due to them being implied through context.
This person can probably explain it better. czcams.com/video/Naxm2MPQUK0/video.html
Wha about N ? My guy took some of the hardest L’s possible
@@bakuraryu7773should have been consul L
Ghondor didn’t have many lines, but his voice actor put his heart and soul into that performance. Kudos to him.
Ghondor: "What about Mum? Did she want this too?"
N: "You don't need to know. The burden is mine alone to bear."
That's actually sad. Even N himself also dont want this to happen. But he can't, because he choose to become a Moebius, a choice that makes him regret forever until he finally redeemed himself in the end of base game.
What's worse is how slightly broken N sounded after answering to Ghondor. He would've cried, but after all that he's been through his eyes have completely dried up.
his ability to grieve was stolen when he became moebius.
N’s character arc is truly heartbreaking. One moment he had it all, and once he became mobeus, everything fell apart. Accidentally killed his own son, told off and punched in the face by his great grandchild, lost his wife, he went through hell and back. All because of one bad decision.
You know, him telling Ghondor that his actions and his reasons are his 'burden' was pretty telling that N didn't actually agree with his own actions and regrets it, but he can't change or go back at this point.
Sort of like Anakin.
That's basically his whole character. N wants to believe that he made the right choice, when in reality he knows how much misery this has brought upon him and his loved ones.
@@Minarreal Reminded me of Anakin for sure
He didn't even go there to kill him,he goes there to seek alpha,if he wants to destroy the city,he would've done it years ago,why wait till 3 generations?his interaction with Matthew also contradict his purpose.if his sole motivation was to revive M by killing city refuge, ain't no way he let Matthew away,not to mention he stall Matthew from going to origin instead of offing him. I think N thought he can abandon everything and probably almost destroy the city,but maybe he saw young ghondor and then stay away, unable to go back to his son or continuing with his plan to revive M
@@HeliosThor64That even the reason why Noah came into existence as N self-hatred and regret was stong stong it became its own person.
Hell, it's also the reason why he could even fight and beat Alpha by himself as his conflicting emotions give him much more power.
Poor M literately just got revived right there on the spot not knowing the full story, that was a dick move by Z
Z definitely did it for kicks, you can tell he enjoyed seeing N's despair.
Based Z
"It's because it amuses me!"
Z having the time of his (endless) life
@@Liezuli
Your name is familiar. You in the discord?
My favorite scene of the whole DLC. Ghondor and N's dynamic is just fantastic, and the OST, damn
Voice Actor for Ghondor absolutely kills it here. Bad voice acting could've made this scene into a meme but he sells it perfectly
Harry McEntire continues to impress me even more with his performance in this game wow
So the reason why N is so empty cuz he killed Ghondor.
Man looks even more empty after killing his own son than before
Interesting enough he seems to hesitate with Matthew as well and even let him punch him in the face showing that he still has a soft spot for his family.
Na'el is the only exception and that's mostly because she has Alpha inside of her and even them N impiles he felt somthing during his frist attack against her
I love how much details go into the characters eyes, such as N’s eyes being much more washed out with its colours
I think the act of slaughtering the City as a whole does it. Him killing Ghondor drove it in harder but even in the main game he's hesitant to go through with it.
This is... I wasn't expecting that at all, this is even more sad😭😭😭
Really wish we got more of Gondhor after seeing this scene. His background and place in the story are really interesting, he's clearly quite smart considering how quickly he pieces out the finer details of what's going on, and he seems extremely strong as well. Even just a bit more would have been great.
Noah has a habit of not telling people things (name of his sword, what happened to N, an early scene with Taion reminiscing about the Saffronias). It's semi-hilarious in the main game.
It's sad af here
*edit* (and also the time he first took out lucky seven - a heroic moment in direct contrast to this: "looks like the time's come!" mio: "what are you talking about?")
Veeeery similar to Shulk... 🤔
"At least my head's good for something"
-Reyn time
This whole scene has "Anakin Skywalker falling to the dark side" vibes.
When this whole thing starts, N is still Noah. Hes a tad older and of course joined Moebius, but not gone yet. Theres still something of Noah left within him. You can see it in how he still cares about Ghondor, how he fights Alpha and responds in defiance of her demands.
But the instant Ghondor dies, Noah dies too. That final bit of goodness, that heroic spark, is fading fast. Only lasting long enough to help Matthew stop Alpha.
And the worst part is that it wasnt even what Z made him do. Z seemed to just want Alpha gone, for understandable reasons. That's why Noah is reborn from Ns regrets instead of N just trying to kill Z. Because N has no one to blame for killing his own boy but himself.
Man this adds so much recontextualization to N and Noah's whole deal.
As someone has already said, the part that brakes me the most is that even Ghondor being old, he feels helpless, like a lost child.
He lived a life around the last words of his father just to see his own father shatter everything he told him to do, going from a lovely father to him to N sidding with what once he seeked to destroy.
And asking if M wanted that too, like if he failed to both of his parents...
Added to the fact his beloved granddaughter has been taken over Alpha and is now working against everything he believes in as well.
Either one would be heartbreaking, both happening at ounce through was just soulcrushing the fact he still didn't fall and kept working to try and save all his family is so impressive
Small detail I noticed, but I love how Matthew recalls his gauntlets at 7:21 just to punch N with his bare hands
Yeah, that would be quite painful with the gauntlets.
So Ghondor is the little boy that N left him all alone
The man who God left behind
Ghondor is N’s son
Mio was so shock and sad at the same time, N killing his own son.
So N didn't actually kill Ghondor, and it was a cinematography trick to make it seem so. (I guess the blood comes from his hands holding the sword)
Everything about this scene adds so much complexity to N's character, whose writing kinda fell short in the base game (in comparison to Malos, Amalthus, Jin, Egil).
This scene finally managed to sell N as a truly tragic villain to me.
Yeah without the DLC, N just felt like a super diet Jin. Glad the DLC deepened his character
@@darthdistortion1934 super diet Jin ? I personally disagree, N is Noah after all and seeing the evolution and his emotions in the base game…
This DLC show us N still have a heart (Look at his eye still bright green) but add on Drama
We know N wipe out city for resurrect M he should do it after his born to Mobius but dlc tell us he wait his son got old around 70 year and he always act like evil but he can't kill his bloodline (Except Nael Alpha took her body best way is kill them both)
@@yazsamandi7148 It seems like N actually goal wasn't to destroy the city but to simple kill Alpha as he was a threat to everything.
It's pretty clear by his reaction that he did not want to hurt Ghondor and seeing how Alpha pulled up him using Na'el body before and his reaction to seeing Matthew it's clear he still has a soft spot for his family
idk i found N to be a very compelling villain, he was man broken by being a slave to the cycle again and again and eventually had no choice but to give in to it because he could find no way out and he worked as a great foil to noah showing what he could easily become.
Despite being the boss, N talking at 3:01 kinda makes him feel like the protagonist. Sort of a glimpse into his previous life as Noah. Almost made me want to root for him in that moment.
I'm aware alot of people are saying Main game Noah is born from Matthew's interactions with N, but is there a possibility that Noah might have actually been born of N's interaction with Ghondor instead?
Ghondor freed the conscious of Alpha, maybe the same happened to N
@@Luke-pp2lw To me it would make more sense since Ghondor activated the power in the vicinity of N himself. But im not opposed to the idea of Matthew since Matthew is the one who said 'It could even be you' but oh well there's no concrete answer for now.
Possibly but I personally don't think so due to Mio and M being split the same way. Unless there's some untold event that separately enabled Mio to split from M I would have to assume the same event split both of them and M only drops in after this happens here.
Anyone else notice at 5:07 it looks like N is trying to pull the sword away but Ghondor is holding onto it tight meaning N didn't kill Ghondor at all. He commited suicide...
Or he didn’t want N to pull the sword out so he could attack Na’el, Matthew, or anyone else. Either way, having the strength to keep a sword inside of your body while someone else is pulling it out is impressive.
Technically speaking, pulling the sword out would kill him faster
@@billystokes3917and it is the most OP sword to ever exist in xenoblade. Ghondor is strong af
Bro what I really wanted is for N to cry to at least show how he felt ashamed for himself....but what shocked me the most in this story is that Matthew punched him and N didn't even do anything and let it happened
It's kinda surprised me that he was kinda weak-willed in the DLC when he was pretty crazy in the base game.
@@MinhLe19303 it's because he juste became Moebius in the dlc while in the base game it's 1000 years after.
He let Matthew punch him because he felt gulit about accidentally killing his own son and through he at least deserved that much
@@MinhLe19303 because it was his flesh and blood this time
@@MinhLe19303 he’s crazy in the base game because noah represents all his regrets. Seeing our Noah succeed solidified that he picked the wrong choice
I now realized, Matthew screaming in the last bit of this clip would make the perfect cut once we get another Xenoblade Yoinky Sploinky video
N is literally what most people do especially man which was a mistake
never talk about their problem and stay silent bearing all the burdens they have
- Have to destroy city because of Alpha (not Z)
- Accidentally killed his own son and becomes more depressed
- Mio came late to the city and she only saw N and the destroyed where she assumed N is destroying the city and their offspring without thinking and from Z's order
the event when he attacked the city he NEVER tells people the reason even to M his own wife
the only people who actually knows it are the party members in FR and they understand why it has to happen
Man, this scene was almost as impactful to me as base game's chapter 5. It's that powerful of a scene. 😢
oh my wow
N story is so tragic like Jin
This cemented N as my favorite Xenoblade villain.
That strikes hard.
You can tell n really wanted to pull the sword out of his son but the old man wouldn't let him
The full context of this scene makes M hating N even stranger.
And apparently N went almost a whole lifetime without bringing M back.
I'm going to assume M doesn't know the full story. According to M, N destroyed the city without remorse only to bring her back. None of these events are mentioned by M, and it's likely she has no idea about them. Only N, and maybe Noah, know about what happened.
@@Cloud-vn4nx that just makes noah and n's confrontation in origin even sadder when he asked "how could you murder the city's people? They were your own kin."
@@ittlenanzo7744 I like these revelations of what happened in the massacre of the original city, in the game, N's deal with Z looks like the typical sadistic deal with a demon, but it really was something albeit brutal but necessary to slow down Alpha's plans, and M that does not know the whole truth makes it sadder
She never hated him, she still loved him, even when she organized the whole plan of her dying.
@Cloud1411 Well, the "contract" made between N and Z was that he will have to protect the endless now and in exchange could have eternity with Mio. So destroying the city is part of that too. He had to destroy it because it was fuel for Alpha, by Z's orders, to protect the endless now. This was also most likely his first mission and Mio was brought back to life as M by Z once the city was destroyed (thus why she teleported to N once everything was over)
Unbelievable…
N voice broke apart the moment ghondor got stabbed. He knows deep down it is a regretful choice that he make to become a moebius.
1:41 "You told me to make friends." That part is so sad.
3:59 had me crying so hard.. He just wanted to protect his grandaughter.. omg..
Na'el says only Ghondor and Matt are left. Does that mean every citizen survived and all N did was a little severe arson.
@N. E. Nah, It’s implied N cut down City members in order to keep Alpha from taking them and drawing on their power.
funny how at 2:56, N has the wrong sword. The handle isn't the one from his original sword of the end but the one he has at the end of the main story
Poor Ghondor. Dad came back to life as Moebius and granddaughter possessed by Alpha. In the end,he died fighting his dad
He actually seemed to have died trying to remove Alpha from Na'el he failed but was able to split A off insted
Man what an incredible fucking scene.
I love N even more now
best part of dlc❤
Another sad thing is that Ghondor is probably the only person that N had and even can confide in about the whole situation
Poor N a burden too heavy to carry alone also Xenoblade Chrono : 3 , it a huge family.......N all the way to the little gondor
Noah’s own grandson is spitting facts on after his son told him the same thing when he killed him
Matthew is Noah/N great grandson
So *this* is where Ghondor was when the Westfold fell!
The bgm after N and Alpha fight and when Ghondor stops N sounds like a new version of the main 3 theme, but I haven't seen it posted with other OST rips of Future Redeemed. Am I missing where this plays in the main game, or is this a new track? It's fuckin' great.
Ethel and Cammuravi sacrifice and Sena & Lanz fakeout sacrifice
@@dolbertini9413 Good call. Looks like that's Life's Fading Flame on the OST. Thanks!
The most saddening part ever was when both mio and Noah became moebius after fighting them for so long.
this whole accidental murder scene felt a lot like the ending of God of War 2, Kratos tries to kill Zeus (his father) by running him through with the Blade of Olympus, but Athena (Zeus' daughter and Kratos' half-sister) pushes Zeus out of the way and gets killed instead, much to Kratos' shock and horror.
but in this game, N tries to kill Alpha/Na'el (N's great Grandaughter), but Ghondor (N's son) steps in front of N's Sword and gets mortally wounded, much to N's shock and horror.
I wonder about what will be M's reaction if she finds out about this?
Does anyone know the theme that plays when N and Ghondor are talking to each other?
What was N original task from Z to revive M? destroy the city or detroy alpha?
A mix of both, it seems as the city population was unknowingly impowering Alpha, so they had to be at least reduced in number to make sure N could kill Alpha.
N killed any city members that got in his way but, for the most part, didn't seem to be targeting them, and if Ghondor had not thrown himself between Alpha and N it's possible he would have left it alone afterwards
The way N refuses to emote is so funny
5:35😢
He doesn't want to kill him or destroy the city,he only after alpha.i think he thought he can abandon everything to revive his wife,but he is still not cold enough to kill his own kin. My theory is after becoming mobeus,he tried to destroy the city,but glimpses upon his son, probably in his teen,and can't bring himself to continuing his plan to revive M. Then,he basically just stay still, unable to go back to his son because he became mobeus,but also unable to revive M because he can't kill his son. I hated alpha for using his families as meat shield against him. You can see that N is pissed when alpha tried to use Matthew to cover for him using nael,N be like "b*tch,not this again". He said the city refuge are alpha source of power and says he will kill them,but let Matthew off several times,not to mention that he only stall him
Nah he didn't go there to confront Alpha, N was explicitly ordered by Z to slaughter the Citizens, and he agreed to get Mio back. Alpha only began to act in response to N's attack, and that's when N switched targets.
@@Liezuli lol then why wait so long to attack? And why only attack nael? Why not Matthew? And why he looked shocked when he stabbed ghondor? Why he became mad in 3? He literally become dead inside when the city destroyed, you can see the camera zoom in his eyes, even after M is resurrected he still dead inside, because he killed ghondor, that's why Noah said he has regrets
@@yogafajarwicaksono8009 He didn't wait, it was Z that waited because he needed N to weaken Alpha.
He didn't only attack Na'el, he literally shows up to kill Matthew in Prison Island, that's why he has a boss fight.
He looked shocked when he stabbed Ghondor because A: he was caught off guard and B: because that's literally his son, and out of everyone that's the one that hits him hardest emotionally and breaks his facade.
He's mad in 3 because Noah is there. N hates himself for being too weak to save Mio and for abandoning his path, and he projects that onto Noah who is a living reminder of his past self. Noah is also a living reminder of everything that N tries to deny, like that he should've chosen to go on fighting and that he deeply regrets his choice.
N was already dead inside when he accepted Z's deal to kill the citizens, the light is already missing from his eyes. Ghondor's words forced him to acknowledge his regret, which did make it worse.
I don't disagree with everything you're saying in the original comment, actually I think most of it checks out, it's specifically him being after only Alpha that I disagreed with.
@@Liezuli but he didn't attacked Matthew and nael by endgame? Sure Matthew and n said both run out of power, but isn't Matthew and nael still city refugees? What I mean by why not killing Matthew is, why not kill him straight away? Why wait till he is on prison island,why not when he just still with A. And he seems like very different from the base game, he explains his reasons to Matthew a lot, even in prison island, he interpret ghondor choices as him siding with N cause to stop alpha, because ghondor is the one that destroys the city using uroboros, no N, that's why Matthew said "grandad would've never side with the likes of you" Then let Matthew punch his head, he even go so far to warn Matthew not to chase nael, if his intention was to kill Matthew, there'll be no warning, which is why again in the end, he said "mobius will never change", and Matthew ask " Does that includes you? ", N answer is " Naturally ", naturally isn't the word you usually using if you're so eager to carry on your plan, it's almost as if N already regret his choices but can't pull back, this " Naturally ".and lastly tho, iirc, N never attack another city in the past right? Only ghondor city, and only after alpha appears, why was that? Isn't the requirements is to destroy all city? He never has any malice towards anyone other than alpha and Noah afaik, because colony 9 are also full of city refugees but N never attack them at all
@@yogafajarwicaksono8009 He's still *Noah* of course he's not gonna be too eager to kill the last of his kin. That doesn't mean he isn't willing to do it when it comes down to it, though. He warned Matthew that he wouldn't let him reach Alpha, and intended to kill Matthew for trying to.
But by the end, Matthew words were getting through to him, which is why he stopped fighting back. He knew Matthew was right.
Ghondor's explosion is what did the final blow to the City, but even before he did that, N was already killing people and blowing things up using the Moebius scrabs. He would've ended up destroying it anyways.
There were no other Cities in the past. The City we see in 3 came after and had to be hidden. And the reason N didn't attack the Liberation base is because they had a ceasefire with Z.
N *DOES* regret his choices, but at the same time he tries to deny it and tries to justify his actions.
All along N was protecting Aionios from Alpha.
He almost kill his great granddaughter dude thats quite fxk up
The most heartbreaking thing in this scene has nothing to do with the story.
It's that it's the ONLY TIME you get to play as Na'el.
:(
Cool motive. Still murder.
what exactly happens at 5:22 ??? Ghondor leaps towards Na'el? shes trying to attack her? I dont get it ...
Ghondor leaps at Na’el using his Orobouros powers to try and free her from Alpha but it managed to just free A.
Whats thr song in the background of wen Ghondor and N talking
OST Name: "That to Which the Defeated Cling"
play the best novel guys😢
Okay I just thought of something if mio really is rex and nia daughter wouldn’t that make rex Matthew’s great-great- grandfather. How old is shulk and rex because by that logic they should be really old men but they look like they’re pushing towards their 50s
They’re frozen in time
@@Luke-pp2lw that doesn’t make any sense because everyone else ages. It’s different for melia and nia because they have longer life spans
@@bluestorm5720 not everyone entered the cycle and not everyone became of the city. Riku likely has a similar thing going on
@@bluestorm5720No. High Entia die after ~500 years, Aionios has existed for 1000+ years, they are frozen in time.
@@rageforprometheusUnless Melia being in storage by Z kept her from aging as they would want her to live for ever as she is the key to orgin we know that Blades dont age like humans either.
The nopon have alwasy been odd balls and we know from XC1 they can live up tp 10000 years.
We dont really have anynproof that Rex and Shulk dont age same for the other liberators
The reason why N/Noah did it is because he wanted to be with M/ Mio to live so he can be with her forever, to do that, he has to take the lives of the people of the city and his Descendants.
It's implied N had been undecided on destroying the City before he was aware of Alpha, he attacked the city because Alpha was that dangerous that he had no choice other than to act if he was to stop Aionios destruction which would render everything he sacrificed pointless. That it lined up with Z's deal meant that at least the lives wouldn't be just wasted. It was Z being an ass that he only revived her after he had killed everything and N's guilt meant he refused to justify his actions, leading M to believe he only massacred the city for her life when in reality he had to stop Alpha.
@@vc180191 yeah I get it but,having him kill his own great granddaughter who was taking over by Alpha, that's cold and unforgiving, Mio or M will never forgive him for that.
@@justindavis-smith8462Ture, but what other option did he really have?
Even Shulk and Rex were not sure if Alpha could be removed to be fair I'm pretty sure Rex wasn't aware of the connection he had with Na'el at least at this point in time.
@@4wheal He made a choice between the old and the future life essentially, the city would have lived on without Aionios. It was either the City or Keves and Agnus essentially. So, yeah there is debate to which is the better choice.
This is weird, correct me if im wrong, if Mio really is Rex and Nio's daughter, wouldn't that make Rex, old Ghondor's grandad? Maybe im just trippin
Yes, Matthew is related to Rex
Not only Matthew, Na'el and Ghondor, a lot of the cast here are actually related to Rex.
N is his son in law
A is a part of Ontos, who is technically the sibling of Pneuma and Logos, so A is a relative to Rex.
Glimmer is his daughter with either Pyra or Mythra
So yea, it is kinda complicated due to Rex the gigachad haha
@@supacopper4790 Oh yes I know, but I didnt want to write it all, its just weird that Ghondor is older than Rez lol
@@alanamadorrosas4025 yeah I still don't really get how Shulk and Rex are still alive during Future Redeemed, but I think it has to do with them being avatars that Origin let out into the world to stop Alpha. Although, that doesn't really explain how Panacea (Reyn + Sharla's daughter) and Linka (Zeke + Pandoria's daughter) are alive and young unless they were soldiers who were freed from the cycle which I'm pretty sure they're not. Oh well, guess let's just chalk it up to Aionios being so chaotic that exceptions can occur.
@@cass171 Yeah, lets say its because Rex and Shulk are Avatars, as Panacea and Linka, probably they were soldiers, its kinda confusing lol
I have a question for you: from what moment do you think M decided not to follow N anymore?
The second she was reborn, she simply didn't have a way to fight directly against him
...its kinda hard to swallow N didn't actually kill anyone at all, but z just pinned the blame on him.
Oh he definitely killed some people in the city and his actions did lead to its destruction so he is not blameless.
All this shows is that there was more to it then M knew
N never attacks gondhor, he made a shit Deal, to save the World and mio, kinda anti hero
What's the name of the song that plays here? I can't find it.
life's fading flame holding these thoughts
@@Segiri-YT Thanks!
"That to Which the Defeated Cling"
is the one playing for the first part
N is literally the Darth Vader of Xenoblade
Ok i am so lost, so did the main game happen before or after this? Or did the whole keves and agnes war just start all over again cause mellia and nia kicked the bucket after old age even though nia is imortal ? I refuse to buy the game without getting 1 and 2 , and seeing as 2 is pretty much worth gold its impossible to buy at a good price so im trying to catch up from 1 using playthroughs, 2 was easy to follow but three is as convaluted as a rubix cube in the shape of hexagon
It's a prequel, Nia is still asleep and Melia is still sealed away.
@@leoflow2290 that makes alot more sense now, it explains the statues in the base game come to think of it
@@leoflow2290 Actually, I think Nia goes to sleep soon after, because M and Nia do meet after Mio is revived as M
This takes place 1000 years before the main xb3 game
The DLC is about like a thousand years before the base game.