Guns N' Roses' 14 Year Disappointment
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- Waiting over a decade for something isn't exactly ideal. It's even less ideal when you're waiting for Chinese Democracy. Why, Axl?
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I've seen them in 2012 in Toulouse, France. Honestly one of the best rock show I've ever seen ! They played for 3 F***IN HOURS, givin everything they had. It took time for the album to grow on me, I just had to get to the idea that the old GnR were no more, but it worth the effort, and to see them play this masterpiece album live, along with the old classic was just insane. And those three guitarist, my god ! Fortus, DJ Ashba, Bumblefoot, they all had their moments during the show, and you can tell these 3 were very happy to play together.
As a relatively young new dad I'm glad to hear that you had some memorable musical moments with your dad. Gives me hope.
my dad got me into so many great things, musically, it's an ambitious thing to be, a father, i mean!
Keep your kid away from tik tok dude
My father molded my music taste 100% he played zeppelin records for me as a baby. now I’m in a band of my own and am an absolute rock and roll addict. someday I plan to also make my own son a rocker just like my father did for me. Good like with yours bro!
This is my favorite album. Most of the tracks and others not on it leaked in 2019, they were older 1999-2001 mixes and sounded better in my opinion. I agree the 2008 album is overproduced. I wish the bass was higher in the mix too. Keep in mind by 2008 they had another album worth of material but it didn’t materialize into a release, unfortunately. Not yet, anyways, aside from two reworked and released in 2021. (Hard Skool EP with Absurd aka Silkworms.
Bruh how can you call There was a time "Estranged light". Just doesnt make sense. Its a great song
Yeah Jesus Christ I was watching this to hear this kid's take on There Was A Time...and the shrug off he gave it blew me away. It blew me...away. Not one word about that guitar solo? Not a word?? The fuck's wrong you??? Jesus Christ. That alone makes you ineligible to review music, guy. Just...damn. God damn.
Stopped watchin' right there.
Wow.
Possibly my favorite album ever. Depends who you are, but throwing away the rock politics and whatever, it’s amazing…
This review is boring as shit. Besides Chinese Democracy is one of the best rock albums of this century and it was well received in many other countries.
Lol nope.
Wow. And this comment has 35 likes.
Chinese democracy sucks
It’s def overlooked for sure. I’m not sure I could listen to it forever on a desert island tho haha - it’s a little too artificial for my personal taste
Dude your channel is super underrated. I'm always looking for new music based content, and you have a plethora of great material. Keep em coming man, this channel will inevitably blow up
I love it but there's 4 or 5 tracks I can live without.
Nice how you picked out the line delivery in 'Sorry'. I've always chuckled at that line. Love the tune though.
Guitar solo in 'This I Love', is INCREDIBLE.
Cool video.
Subbed.
This should have been released as an Axl Rose solo album.
Agreed! I would have respected it more as a axl solo album instead of him using the GNR name.
100% - I think people would love it so much more
It is a great album!
I make no apologies for enjoying Chi Dem. (That's what the kids call it.) The title track is one of their best songs ever.
Chi Dem! Nice
Chinese democracy the song was written by Josh Freese, an amazing drummer who wrote on Chinese.
He didn’t say much other than it’s three chords and that it has a sorta dirty feel to it.
Little tidbit for your trivial pursuit, as axl would say haha
Absolutely, it's epic, and that's the way to go after a certain point (see also: 'Do You Know What I Mean' by Oasis) The outro of 'There Was A Time' was the highlight for me, and the ultimate vindication of inviting so many great guitarists to contribute (and absolutely no disrespect to Slash).
Sorry is better than “Better” I love the damn record. I fought it for YEARS
Chinese Democracy is one of my favorite albums; but that’s just me I guess 🤷♂️
Its my all time favourite album
I remember the Offspring named their album "Chinese democracy" and Axle sued them. In court Dexter said "you snooze you loose"
Never went to court. Offspring changed the title.
@@Jffeeney3rd good point.
I should've said "threatened lawsuit" and "press statement".
Editing is good.
Honestly, Guns N' Roses' speedballed downhill after Izzy left. I know many people fawn over Slash's guitar playing, it is fucking incredible, but what made GNR real special was that tightass rhythm section, and Izzy's songwriting ability with Axl. I feel like he is pretty underappreciated for those, probably because he was never a full on showboat.
As for Chinese Democracy...yikes in a bucket. This album should have been an "Axl Rose Presents" album, because it's just him and a gazillion other session musicians on it. That's not to take away from the album per say, there are moments here and there that are very good, and Axl's voice is noice, but it isn't GNR to me. Obviously, he retains the use of the GNR name and branding, and if it was branded as a solo project it wouldn't have sold nearly as many copies as it did, but my lord is this album underwhelming.
Good vid chief 😎
Kinda sad how they were never able to sound as powerful as the AFD days, and that's when Steven and Izzy were both still in the band. Like their debut album was them at their peak, and they never released anything that topped that album.
This is not a boring album for me. It's a very decent album. I do like it and I usually listen to it.
I respect your opinion, points of view, but I do not necessarily agree with many of them.
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I don’t remember too much hype about this album in 2008. I actually remember more people in my area being more excited for the new “Death Magnetic” being released.
it's an 'adult' GnR album and the easiest to listen to from start to finish then the previous albums.
I am a die hard gnr fan since 1994, even when slash left in 96 I was still curious to see what Axl would put out with a new lineup, I was also a NIN fan so I was even more curious, but year after year nothing, when the record finally came out it was at a time I wasn't even that interested in the band anymore, most of the tracks had already been played live and leaked online since 2001. There's just no chemistry with the musicians he assembled, they're all good musicians in their own rights but as a collective its all over the place, not to mention all the would be producers that came and went since the late 90's. Its such a forgettable album and a forgettable lineup, for example Tommy Stinson was in the band from 1998 to 2015, Gilby Clarke was in the band from 1991 to 1994 and he is more remembered as a member of guns n' roses and never played on an original track. The story behind the album is more memorable than the album itself for sure, I've heard about new music being put together with slash and duff but can't help but feel bad for guys like DJ ashba, Tommy Stinson, Ron Bumblefoot Thal, etc... who recorded tons of additional material in the years they were with GNR that has yet to see the light of day and unfortunately for them may never see the light of day.
I agree that "Oh My God" is underrated. It got bad reviews so Axl kind of buried it. But in fact, it was better than everything on Chinese Democracy. Good video!
Great album
Best album they’ve done, featuring some of the best players in the biz.
Holy Crab crap man, I'm two years too late to this but hearing the things you said about There was a time made me think that you really never gave it a chance.
The production on that song, the strings, Bucket Heads solo with the Kill Switch was epic. Axl before and after the solo belting the the Chorus, again really epic stuff. Just saw them in person a month ago, they preformed TWAT and holy shit! The crowd loved it and Axl gave it his all. Please relisten to it when you have a few. Or check out a few of the most recent shows with this song. It builds up and up, it's almost better live. That is all. Good night now.
I'll say it buddy one in a million is like stairway to heaven it's their best song by far
Well said and well done bro. Cheers
He also made his first appearance in a decade and he looked alienish
I couldnt agree with you more on everything you said in this video, very much enjoyed it. I remember Billy from a perfect circle was offered the Gnr guitar job to play alongside robin bare in mind he's the guitar tech for Gnr and NIN at the time, Billy decided not to touch that car crash with a barge pole. don't blame him. He was slagging axel off in metal hammer saying how it was hard to see people he calls friends being treated how they were by axel.I saw Gnr in london when Brain was playing drums for them someone had a massive sign saying "Brain you were in godflesh dude!" they had a point.
They held off releasing it just over the line of time that anyone cared.
Well said and so well done.
It's been 14 years of silence,
It's been 14 years of pain..
It's been 14 years that have gone forever,
And I'll never have again ... 😑
Call me crazy but I’d take Chinese over Appetite any day of the week. UYI is a mixed bag for me.
Chinese Democracy is my favourite gnr album
I actually love Street of Dreams. I think it’s a great track! This album has really grown on me. I like every track except Shackler’s Revenge.
Great album. Two songs sucked. And they were the ones that were pushed.
Album was amazing ... bought appetite when it came out. Waited a year for it to be popular ... Chinese was amazing. Two songs were a waste. The rest was over the top
@@nicholaskruger9460 well, they pushed Better, which shoulda been the first single, as far as I’m concerned.
How do you not get Shackler’s chorus stuck in your head? So damn catchy
@@Jffeeney3rdlove Better
Great GNR doc vid! From big fans in L.A. I hung out with Matt a few times on Sunset at the Cat Club and Roxy back in the day. Went to
the 2021 stadium tour in L.A. Bought 3 T shirts. Good times! GNR played long and loud. About 3 hours, baby. Great gig! Cheers!
As a 26 year old, I find Chinese Democracy to be the best GNR work to date. Its more experimental, pop, strings, beats, industrial, Buckethead. Some of the best vocal melodies and solos are on that album. Chinese Democracy is great. The mix and sound production could of been way better, thats all.
I love Street of Dream. Sorta reminds me of Queen.
My favorite favorite band of all time and I couldn't agree with you anymore.
I recommend to read the history of this album creation in wiki, worthy read. Why many bands split up/members quit… usually it’s because people themselves change, grow up, mature, change their views and likes and preferences. It’s a natural process within all of us and musicians aren’t exception, they are people, they get tired of writing the same music or keeping the same vibe album after album, you can only ride the same wave 2, maybe 3 albums(which the did), then it gets old to both musicians and listeners. Axl wanted a change, new elements, new direction if you will. They all changed and got into solo projects let’s call it what it is, including Slash forming more bands which didn’t sound like GNR either. I’d say dismissing CD outright wouldn’t be genuine or fair to Axls talent. He did heavily co-produced the album and even worked on final mastering. You know what that takes? Musicians don’t usually get involved in mastering, mastering engineer does that. That takes real passion and care for how your material is going to sound at the end… if anything after listening to CD recently I realized Axl wasn’t just one of the best vocalists of his time or rock music in general, he was a true artist and a perfectionist when it comes to sound and vision of the material he puts out. So for me there’s no point comparing it to classic GNR… that classic GNR era was good, but it was over, dead, gone. What came out after being 10 years in the making and multiple very talented people involved is a very unique and big sounding album that I now trully appreciate. Solo off There was a time alone is one of the best solos I've heard.
You can’t polish a turd. It’s a complete waste of money both producing it, and the buying of it for the consumer. Hit your torrent sites if you’re intrigued and thank me later people,
Street of Dreams is one of my favorite songs in this album.
Have you heard the If The World remix with Velvet Revolver’s Slither? It’s great.
What is it with this band and 14 years? Axl once claimed it took him 14yrs to "make it", they have a song called 14 years, it was about 14yrs between the last release of the old band (sympathy for the devil) and the 1st major release of the new band (chinese), and it might be 14 when the next major release comes out. Do the stars & planets align for them every 14 yrs or something? Lol
It’s amazing how Axl literally waited till record sales across all genres plummet and a nation wide recession to finally drop tht album lmfao
I'm Glad Robin Finck Finally Get To Show His Skills Tho..in Nine Inch Nails He Couldn't Do That..
Great vide, btw. I was very disappointed with Chinese Democracy, personally as I was hoping for some old school rock.
If they had released that album in 2001 it would have done much better.
That said, some of the guitar solos are absurdly good, and I love TWAT, catcher in the rye, and the title track.
I have to disagree with your assessment of the Use Your Illusion albums. They weren't as good as Appetite for Destruction, and they would have been better if they had made one album of all the best tracks, but they were good albums individually. Sure there were some songs that were duds: My World and Get in the Ring, and we certainly didn't need two versions of Don't Cry, with the only difference being the lyrics, but I can honestly put either of these albums in and listen to the whole album, and I can be picky about listening to subpar tracks.
Great job with the Critique. Thorough and Informative. I enjoyed it.
Izzy Stradlin wrote 1/2 the songs. He was a huge part.
Axl & the Revolving Door Band
So… when are they releasing their next album?
2 hours
Ulrich Schnauss is awesome! Highly recommend him, even through I’m not super into instrumental music, I can say easily all of “Far Away Trains Passinng By” is worth listening to. I stumbled upon that album randomly a while ago and it’s pretty great IMO. The song “Passing by...” is my favorite of his.
I love your Smiths poster dude... I have trouble convincing people younger than me that they should listen to The Smiths, although apparently they are getting a new lease of life with the teenagers recently. Do you know anything about that? Maybe you could investigate and do a video about it. But I'm in the UK, so maybe it's just a UK thing 🙂
I'm not sure why there would be a Smiths resurgence now, but maybe down to CZcams channels, such as Professor of Rock (Smiths are his favourite band)
Chinese democracy was amazing
This album doesn’t really have a bad reputation.
What would have helped immensely: NOT calling it Guns N Roses, but calling it what it actually was - The Axl Rose Experience. Anything but GnR. The backlash was not good, and was 100% avoidable.
It's a GREAT Axl Rose solo album, and a TERRIBLE Guns N Roses album. \m/
Chinese democracy tracks 1..2..3...tahts the only good thing about it. In contrast with Illusions albums which all the entire albums are great.
Most expensive albums ever made..
After 1 year, I liked my own comment 😅
I was 19 in 2005. I listened to the leaks, but feel like their window had finally closed in 2006. By 2008, the whole thing leaked.
I was having the album played at clubs and stuff.
Then it came out. At least I'd only been waiting 3 years.
I still think spaghetti incident is worse. Fucking fight me.
Honestly, yeah I agree.
@@ScoopedMids the new rose and attitude covers literally made me terminally ill.
The only track I even kinda like is the Ain't it fun cover, and even then the dead boys version is much better.
tv only, only on weekends, you talk , when your talk too
Best concert I ever saw was at an “Up Close & Personal” tour, Atlantic City.
I liked Shackler's Revenge and I was glad it was on one of the rock band games
Absolutely love Chinese Democracy
Democracy is a great album! Unfortunately it has a stepmother effect.
The Spaghetti Incident? - "Why record a bunch of punk classics with a glossy sound?" - They were purposefully trying to get those bands PAID. This has been covered in a few books now. They saw it as an opportunity for a "stop-gap", like they used LIES for, AND they realized they could get a bunch of broke and undervalued (by the industry, at least) Punks PAID. BIG TIME. BY THE INDUSTRY THAT UNDERVALUED THEM. That? Is a punk thing to do. LOL So yeah, that is why. \m/
Album is poopy
If we are being honest , they haven’t hit the dizzy heights of that first album and slowly regressed into pantomime . He had an album ready to go in 1996 (nin inspired) but then the music scene changed. 1998(moby produced ) electronic album , never seen the light of day.”oh my god” 1999 was a view into where his style was going and that was infinitely more interesting than Chinese democracy .
A trimmed down UUI double album could have been truly great, perhaps divided into the hard rock side and a lighter side. With a few of the Spaghetti songs thrown in.
This would be my double UUI album:
Rock side: Right Next Door to Hell - Live and Let Die - You Could Be Mine - Double Talkin' Jive - Perfect Crime - Locomotive - Don't Damn Me - Pretty Tied Up - Human Being - Garden of Eden - Coma.
Lighter side: November Rain - Yesterdays - Don't Cry - Since I Don't Have You - Civil War - The Garden - 14 Years - Breakdown - Knockin' on Heaven's Door - Estranged.
21 songs, each side roughly similar length. Tough to leave out a few like Dust n' Bones and Bad Obsession, but it gets too long otherwise.
Chinese Democracy is Axl’s magnum opus imo 🤷🏻♂️ absolutely love that record
Magnum Opus of ego and BS.
Since I don't have you was killer slash guitar on that
GNR is my fav band all time and I love this record. It's just a little below Appetite and USI albums but it's very underrated. I love Street of dreams though. My fav tracks off this are title track better street of dreams There was a time and Madagascar. Def underrated album that needs more listens to appreciate.
Use your illusion should’ve just been one album with all the big hits such as civil war, 14 years, yesterdays, November rain, locomotive, coma, the garden,
I disagree honestly I like every song on the album sides My World.
@@bennettfender9927 I agree with this. It's like The Beatles White Album - so many people trot out this line that it's too long, and that it should be cut down. But when fans make their lists, no one can agree on which songs should be left off. One person's filler is a track someone else says they love! After 30 years, I wish there was even more stuff! I'd settle for My World and one version of Don't Cry being cut, but very happy to keep the rest.
2:09 Abso-Lutely Also, poor Matt😂 Also, also poor Dizzy 😂
Street of dreams, Scraped, If the world, and Riad and Bedouins are all terrible
“Where’s Izzy”
It never will be a guns n' roses album it's a Axl Rose solo album
I like Chinese democracy.
What are your thoughts on the song “get in the ring” off use your illusion. I find that song so remarkably hilarious. It’s become such a meme between me, my dad and my brother because of how ridiculous it is.
Pure trash
@@ScoopedMids lel
@@ScoopedMids you want to call that when your chubby ass is wearing an Alice Cooper shirt lol
Took him too long to make a shitty experimental album with a phantom lineup. At least Slash was still making good music during his time outta the band. Shakepit, Velvet Revolver, and the Conspirators. That’s what kept the bands name popular.
idk slash didn't make a solo record until the 2010s and GnR was doing fine
@@ScoopedMids I was referring to Slash’s Snakepit and Velvet Revolver. It ain’t GN’R without him either, that’s why the reunion tour was so successful.
The reunion was so successful because of nostalgia. Slash being there helped but it's just because boomers want to see a tall guy with a top hat. And GnR again we're doing fine because Axl had the name, not because Slash was off doing forgettable side projects. Believe me, having a name as iconic as GnR was the reason they kept selling tickets. That's why so many old bands get away with touring as classic bands with only one original member, if that.
@@ScoopedMids Nostalgia I’ll agree with, they haven’t actually been culturally relevant since the early 90’s. But Chinese democracy was also a forgettable and failed project in hindsight. And they weren’t making nearly as much cash on tour until Not In This Lifetime. Slash’s “forgettable” side projects had greater chart and commercial success, unlike Chinese Crapology.
They haven't been culturally relevant since the 90s I'll agree, including Slash. Kids, aren't bumping new Slash solo records. And the only thing Slash did that was more successful than CD was Velvet Revolver. And I'm more inclined to credit that groups success to Scott Weiland.
@16:45 Ree-yad and the bed-owens
i don't even have to listen to it, ha ha, thanks! the title is the best tho, right? righteous!!
I have to admit that most of my disapointment abuout this album when it came out, was because it didnt sound much like gnr.
I did like 4 songs being
Chinese democracy
Better
Street of dreams
This i love
Going back to it now i dislike a bit less but i have to admit that those four are the only songs that i really like.
To be honest four solid tracks isnt what you want but isnt exactly a disaster.
Hey, it’s art and people have their opinions. Chinese Democracy lacks genuine flavor to me. Appetite was as real as it gets and Illusions were more polished in spots but still are musically and lyrically very good. You can’t fake it with true rock fans. It’s definitely an interesting thought experiment to see where they would have gone with all five original members beyond Use Your Illusion. Certainly, November Rain, Don’t Cry and Estranged showed a different side and there would have been more of that but could they have continued to capture some of that raw energy on some tracks. I thought the Izzy tracks like 14 years, Double Talkin Jive and Dust n bones were solid, angsty tracks and they lost a lot when he left. I don’t know. I think to really make GNR as good as it can be, you need all 5 original members. They cut out when they should have been in their prime and they’ll never be able to get it back.
I just can't get over how shockingly bad Axl Roses voice has been since around the early 2000s. Clearly the way he sang and screamed, and his lifestyle just wrecked his voice. Many such cases in rock.
Anybody ever thought that somehow they wish that some kind of 6-note keyboard stinger (which used to be somewhere near the end of the intro riff to Chinese Democracy) should've been kept? (I'M SORRY, DID I SAY THAT OUT LOUD?)
Loved that album not my favorite but good
While I definitely agree with general consensus that Chinese Democracy is the worst GnR album without question, I actually like (or at least tolerate) most of it, it's simply the fact that GnR kept hitting home run after home run with few exceptions on their earlier albums. Under any other circumstances, it would've been pretty good all things considered, but the huge delay and other drama that surrounded it really killed it despite the music not sucking nearly as much as some people claim/claimed.
The different feel and style to original GnR, like other people have said, make it better imo to think of it like an Axl solo record (which is basically is anyway lmao) like some of the stuff Slash did after he left, something that's related to GnR but not *really* GnR.
I’m going to be honest with you brother, The Spaghetti Incident is great and the track Oh My God is awesome as well. Love the track Back Off B*%ch, that song could have been on Appetite for Destruction respectively.
Neat, were you planning to review this at one point?
Yeah, I've had this video ready to upload for like three weeks.
@@ScoopedMids Ah okay. I was curious since I actually wondered if you'd cover this along with say the controversial Hot Space by Queen and the frustrated mess that is Van Halen 3 which is the one off Cherone album that killed their winning streak forcing them to break for a bit
@@Thomasmemoryscentral Idk man, maybe, maybe not.
@@ScoopedMids okay. I think your style could do the van halen III album fine since besides being a one off with Gary Cherone, it essentially halted their winning streak they had when Hagar became the lead singer for their 2nd lineup.
Plus in similar to Chinese Democracy, it took awhile for this album to release and didnt prove its wait though it did come out way quicker than that one and had no soda offer controversy
I love Guns N’ Roses…. Every album. Chinese was great also, slash’s albums were awesome as well. Together or apart there great…. Together their “GOD STATUS”
One in a Million. Love it
9:58 wow now I picture Michael Stipe singing Still of the Night 😂
A review of Joey Ramone's first (and only) solo album would be interesting. I feel like not many talk about this album, despite is a very good one.
It’s a great album, Daniel Rey did a great job producing it
The track Better is actually pretty good. The rest…. Meh
I don't think Chinese Democracy is an outright bad album...but I rarely find myself listening to it. Two big reasons as to why are:
1. The production is difficult to warm up to. Much like Peter Gabriel's "Up", Chinese Democracy was a decade plus in the making, and it sounds like it.
There's so much going on and it feels so sterile at times, it can seem kinda boring at times. (Though that's not always the case, obviously.)
2. The songs just aren't that memorable. This is the bigger problem, without a doubt. The earlier GN'R songs often had a hook or catchy melody. If they didn't, they would get on by drama and an epic scope (see "Coma" for proof.) Here, nearly EVERY song tries to do that and it often feels "same-y". Which did not help it's reputation, which was already on the ropes thanks to the revolving-door-style lineup, and the constant delays driving what few fans they had left up a wall. I am glad it finally came out, and I do think it's a decent album, but it fell victim to its own hype.
I liked it, IRS is my favorite and one or two of those ballads you hate. It sounds more like and Axl Rose solo album, Velvet Revolver sounds more GNR than this. But again, is not bad.
As much as I like this album, I gotta say it's definitely not worth the 14 year wait. Half the songs sound like they were written and put together in an afternoon. I heard some of the demos from 1999, and they sounded just okay. If Axl released Chinese Democracy in 1999 with all the songs without saying these are demos, I think it would have had much better reception.
I only liked 4 songs of that record
Wait Wait Biswajit Rongpi.👍🏻
NWA Axl.👍🏻
25:00 idk about you but I think that would make it better 😂
Oh my God sounds like Rob Zombie