@@GnosticInformant The interesting part is that religions are interestingly interconnected where White horse rider of Armageddon is the same as Messiah Ben Joseph or Islamic Mahdi or Nostradamus King of Mongol-ManGal-AnGælic people in summer of 1999 quatrain….
Thanks for having Jason on, he helped clarify how important the book of Enoch was, and how it influenced the Christian church. I never realized Enoch played such an important part to the church, and how it's presence is still felt today.
Jason Faux's podcast, and his promotion of Margaret Barker's research, has helped clarify my understanding of this subject moreso than anything else. Thanks.
Loved this episode hope to see Jason back on soon with you and Derek. It’d be awesome to see a part two with Dr. Bob, really enjoyed their previous conversation
@@walkerflocker7811 I meant that I hoped to see Jason back on soon, and trying to say that a collab with him, and Dr. Bob would be awesome on either of their channels. I love Neal’s conversations with Dr. Bob and I think it’d really cool to see a follow up on that previous collab between the good doctor and Dragons in Genesis with Neal as the host since he brings his own unique perspective into the conversation dynamic
Great stuff. This is what intrigues me are the stories that are built upon to get what we currently have. So surprising that people think the the ot and nt stand alone. Great energy Neil and Dragon man knows his stuff
How about if we forget all the books and everyone just look inside their hearts……you will not see the son without accepting the Mother…..you will not see the son without accepting the Mother of All….because she is your Mother and you are all the most beloved and awaited children of god the Motherfather….ss
Your Bible says the son is Israel , Exodus 4:22 .... get a clue , even your Jesus says we're all the sons of God the most high I have said you are gods John 10:34
13:18 this is what the Tibetans refer to as "The rainbow body. " It's "the solar body" to the hermetics, and the "seraph" in the dead sea scrolls. Anyone who is interested in this practice should pick up "Between the Gates" by Mark Stavish.
Some hermeticists call it by the Tibetan name, that’s mostly what I’ve heard it called, because the rainbow is fire through water and that’s a big motif in hermeticism so the hermeticists I know really like that terminology.
When Jason was talking about the solar time device, it reminded me of a book I read years ago called Uriel's Machine. It took the story in Enoch and applied it. It is basically instructions on how to make a henge that follows the solar cycle. I haven't tried it (heck, I had forgotten all about it until just now), but they had all the maths and documentation of the experiment in the book and it all looked legit. I don't remember if it was written by scientists, though.
The poor will always outnumber the rich. How can we appease these masses of poor folk ? Preist 1 - well we can tell them the gods say they will be elevated to the most high in the afterlife. Preist 2 - you are a genius , I'll go get the writers and put them to task.
Great interview. A part of me wishes that Enoch was canonized by Protestants. Just to see what would be changed today in modern day apologetics. It would undoubtedly be some weird s***.
@@B.S._Lewis Joshua (Hebrew יְהוֹשֻׁוּעַ Yəhōšua') or Yeshua the High Priest was, according to the Bible, the first person chosen to be the High Priest for the reconstruction of the Jewish Temple after the return of the Jews from the Babylonian Captivity (See Zechariah 6:9-14 and Ezra 3 in the Bible)
@@eightness888 So, basically if I don't agree with your make believe loosey goose word association. Then tough noogies. I have a Jesus who prunes my roses too. Is that the 2nd coming? Well if you don't agree, you're just not woke. Shalom.
I can remember been raised LDS Enoch and Jared and the Brother of Jared are the key characters Joseph Smith obcessed about and they are main characters of the pearl of Great price. I find it fascinating how the appolatptic imagery of Enoch apealed to early Mormonism more than Elijah
Interesting note. Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, revealed during a session that Qumran was the Jewish group holding the foundation of Jesus' ideas of God, resurrection and reality.
Edgar Cayce was buried in Hopkinsville, Ky. When I lived out there I often wondered about him when I would drive through that little border( TN) town .
Enjoyed this ! N yes U do have some fundamentalists listening, lol. Coming from a background in Spiritual Warfare tho, I have to ask U, are you discounting true spiritual experiences associated with this literature? Had any yourself? Jason was right on when he described the role of Yahweh's Angels in the Judean concept. That's exactly how I have experienced them during various encounters........"Security Guards, Prosecuting Attorneys & Undercover Agents". 👍 Just hearing him say that was tremendously reaffirming. I hope my testimony in return, proves to be the same for him & for others. 💛
In the teachings of the Way, Enoch was the 3rd of the Seven Signs, or Sons of Man. This is why he is often associated with the numbe 3, being the third of the Seven. He is also known as Marduk, amongst his names. His place in the narrative, and those of the previous Sons of Man, were edited out by what later became the mainstream Jewish religion, as they were part of a philosophical following that opposed blind belief and gods, but baxame deified after their deaths. Even so, Enoch-Marduk was preserved by the likes of the Salt Sea/Dead Sea community at modern day Qumran, and that of the Ethiopic peoples, who were both separate from the mainstream Jewish religion by the time of Jesus. The confusion about Enoch's multiple names, is that he, like many ancient kings, had multiple names.
Jude is likely psuedoepigraphical. Judas, who was called Dumas, brother of Jesus, left the Near East around 52 AD and was not heard about until 1000 years later. The gospil of Jude was written between 60 and 75 AD. The person you should be critical of is the Rabbi, he’s the one who is saying Jews would never follow Jesus, and yet Christianity has all the references in their text that directly come from mystic Judaism. Rabbi Singer is essentially saying that only pharisetic Judaism was real Judaism. Yes, it’s true, the pharisees and Sadducees were less than 20% of all forms of Judaism, and mystic Judaism was not a majority either, but there were at least as many mystics running around as there were pharisees. The thing is that of these mystics each had their own vision of what Judaism was and only a minority were close enough to align with Yeshua. We know that Jews were Jesus followers, we know this because they were kicking Paul’s ass, and because from them we have the variety of post crucifixion Jesus sects that appeared. The only truely Yeshuan/Johanan movement that matters are the Evyon and the later Ebionites and Nazoreans. Even so the Ep. of James was translated, edited and redacted. These texts, Ep. Jude, Ep. 1 Peter, Ep .2 Peter, the 6 pseudo Ep. Paul, Ep. 1-3 of John, Gospel of John, Revelations. Much of this material came out of the post ostacization community of Ephesus. All of this stuff is Christians getting high on ecstatic mysticism, a fair number of these texts are inspired by shrooms. They were probably reading Jewish text not found in the synagog. Paul was a mystic. These people believe they can write the words of Jesus and the disciples because they have a mystical experience of that person, these are delusions. According to some the Syrian “Christians” only followed Matthew or Luke, tore out the birth narrative. These Jews did follow a Christianity, just not the christianity the Rabbi is so fond of cursing. Later they forced to convert or leave. There is nothing wrong with mysticism or mystics per say. This is not my point, but the value of mysticism is of little use to theism except in the ecstatic context, and many religions make a point of saying visions of heaven, god , Jesus, the prophets, thrones, etc are spiritual delusion (true both in Judaism and Orthodoxy). This is self contradictory, so they must have a very good reason for saying this. Ecstatic visions will almost always be misinterpreted, the problem is these are no different from any flavor of the occult. No matter we’re you see these, in Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, Paul, Ep. John, Acts, Enoch, or Revelation you immediately need to treat the source of that material as delusional. Mysticism does not create theism, it creates a sense of the inner divine, projecting visions on others is invariably cultic and results in oppressive religions. The Yahwist stomped out the Elohimic beliefs, they even coopted the meaning of the word Elohim into a false meaning. 
the Epistle of Jude is Canon in 100% of Christian sects and Bibles. Its the 65th book of the 66 central canon christian texts in Protestent Bibles and it's the one right before Revelation.
It’s not plagiarism but it’s like Armageddon and Deep Impact. It’s obvious that Deep Impact caught wind that another studio was making an asteroid movie and wanted to get in on the hype. It’s appropriation. If I want to tell a hero story, all the hero stories I’ve heard will influence what I write. If I want to create a demigod narrative I’m gonna make him born of a virgin, a prophesied birth, under a star in the east, kings will try to kill the baby, etc. because that’s what all the demigod narratives that people are familiar with. If I want my demigod to catch on, I need to make it familiar to the masses.
From what I understand the original book of Jasher is lost and what we have now was written much much later. Check out Centre Place channel for a lecture by John Hamer on The Book of Jasher. Very insightful video
I reincarnated as Titus, leader of the Roman guard, and fulfilled my own words. I tore down the temple because I was Moses and made a tabernacle. Not a fkn temple. Understand ME IN THIS. I took it away because they weren't using it properly anymore. UNDERSTAND. MY GOD. UNDERSTAND. NOBODY GETS IT. TABERNACLE WAS A WAY TO BRING THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE LORD DOWN INTO THE HOLY OF HOLIES. THUS GIVING THEM DIVINE PROTECTION. IT WAS NOT A BUILDING TO GO PRAY IN. MEET YES. IT WAS NOT A TEMPLE. PLEASE BE SOMEONE WHO'S SMART ENOUGH TO GET IT.
1Enoch is plagiarism of the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus [Thoth] known in Alexandria when the Septuagint was translated, and after Julius Africanus produced his Sethian theory, the book represented a contradiction because of its 'fallen angel/Watchers' theory, so from about 200 AD it was banished and went out of circulation with Augustine of Hippo's blessing. The fallen angel theory was an interpretation of Genesis 6, that was common due to a loss of knowledge after the library of Alexandria was burned. That was 200 years after the translation of the Septuagint which has 'Angels' instead of 'sons of God' and this was not in the sense of actual angels, but of what the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus stated about Adam and Seth. Adam was said to have had an angelic nature [which is comparable to Christ's]. That is why Christ was believed in neoplatonism to be a second Adam.The term 'bene Ha-Elohim' was given the wrong sense. It was interpreted as Sons who actually were divine or angelic beings, like angels, but with Hermes teachings, that was no mystery. It was common knowledge that they were BEINGS WITH AN ANGELIC NATURE. The term 'nature' is the key. Adam had a PERFECT NATURE WHICH WAS LOST but can be recovered [through an integration of the Universal Christ, the Light of God, etc.. which has a transcendental effect. It transforms the human nature. It leads to Ascension. But Christianity, the Roman Church's dogma tells us that that Light was the Word and that only Christ possessed it, or was its incarnation. However, Enoch and Eliah ascended. I THINK that the Watchers' story attributes the corruption of the antediluvian world to the inter-marriages of the sons of God and the revelation of celestial secrets, and that's erroneous, because Hermes' teachings are in connection with Initiators who revealed knowledge that was necessary for mankind to create civilization. It's obviously a scribe who added material since the book if generic. The Overthrow of the Lost Church of Christ & Holy Grail Unveiled [For Back Cover] Unveiling the drama of a slaughter by the Romans, in their effort to enforce an Edict declared in 42 A.D. because of the dissemination of a doctrine from Avalon to beyond the seas, the author establishes that Joseph of Arimathea preached in Britain at the surprising early date of 37 A.D. and actually founded a Church of Christ in Glastonbury that had no connection with the later conversion of the British Isles to Christianity with the arrival of Augustinian missionaries in 597 A.D. Francis Bacon made an allusion to a wide overthrow of apostolic institutions, which may have been concealed, in his statement: ‘the Britons were the last of all the Churches of Europe that gave up their power to the Roman beast’. The author expounds that the factor that justifies the need for a Redemption by Christ’s crucifixion, in Christianity, is Augustine of Hippo’s contention that Adam and Eve committed an Original Sin. She argues this is but a dogma and is on the basis of an erroneous interpretation in relation to the ‘Forbidden Tree of Knowledge’ of Genesis. Furthermore, in order to deify the human Jesus, the Roman Church’s early Councils declared he was the ‘Word made flesh’ and its unique incarnation, although the term, translated from ‘Logos’ is in connection with the symbology of the Holy Grail and the Light of the Universal Christ that can be integrated into the human chalice for a transcendental effect to recover the ‘perfect nature’ that Adam possessed. That ‘perfect nature’ is the key that the author uses to unravel the mystery of the ‘Sons of God’ and refute the ‘fallen angel theory’ in a ground-breaking exegesis for Genesis 6:1-4, with the proposition that the lost sense of ‘Ha-Elohim’ in the Masoretic text, is ‘angelic nature’ and not ‘divine or angelic’ in the sense of actual angels. The Sons of God are revealed as Initiators with an angelic nature, who together with the Atlanteans were progenitors of the 5th Root or Aryan Race, in which both good and evil incarnated, and the latter continues to be the reason for what is wrong in the world. ===================================== Christine Preston holds a BA [Hons] in Religious Studies & History, with Theology, an MA: Master of Arts with Translation of the Bible History. She has reconstructed the lost timeline of a forgotten scholar for the Ancient History Department of Swansea University, and identified the reasons that his works were received as controversial in the 1920s, in ‘The Rise of Man in the Gardens of Sumeria - a biography of L A. Waddell 1854-1938’ published by Sussex Academic Press [2009]. Other works: ‘From the Words of Angels and Ancient Book of Jika’ [2012] containing her translation of a manuscript parallel to Genesis 6, and numerous videos, see Channel Ascension. Christ will return but not in the way you think! Dictation by telepathic communication, Nov 29, 2021
I don't know how you can start saying something is too rediculous to be in the bible when we have the Bible. Where are all the other documents? I want to understand where these books come from.
Moses wrote Genesis. This can be confirmed by Jesus himself in the gospel of John. Jesus shredded the documentary hypothesis to pieces. He was aware that men would deny that Moses was the first historian. Jesus did a really good job in confirming the authenticity of the old testament Bibles based upon the masoretic texts such as kjv err in the generations of Shem. The septuagint, written before Jesus arrived, provides a more accurate account of rhe generations of shem.
Book of Jasher is not the real book mentioned in Joshua. It is compiled from the oral traditions of the Jews. Ever hear of a another book called "Legends of the Jew?" The real book of Jasher mentioned in Joshua has not been found yet.
Is Enoch considered a historical figure? You know, in the same sense of an ordinary (in the sense of NOT divine) human who maybe did some astonishing things and taught the same, even though NOT supernaturally? (I'm betting most secular or non-fundamentalist scholars understand Enoch is in the same category as Adam, Noah, Moses, Job, etc. - i.e., totally fictional.) But IF the Jesus story seems to be a rehash and updated version of Enoch, would that not strongly imply JESUS was ALSO totally fictional? I mean, I don't see a first century iterant illiterate preacher carrying around a copy of Enoch in order to make sure the sounds coming out of his mouth match directly to this particular scripture.
@@nicksklavos Yess 70% most likely existed just like Simon of Parea and Jon the Baptist in Josephus fragments Considering there where many messiahinc figures in Judea after the Babylonian exile 600 BCE to 4-7 BCE
@@nicksklavos I believe people accept him as historical because it would be harder to factually prove otherwise. Mythicists have been called "crazy" ... even by Atheists. So, most people accept the historical figure, but few really accept the "proof" of miracles, crucifixion, resurrection, ...etc.
@@henrim9348 It’s not crazy as you might think As Jesus of the Bible never existed Jesus existed most likely but he is not like what the New Testament mentions he is The oldest canonical Gospel of mark dose not mention Jesus virgin birth Nor dose it mention who saw Jesus be crucified The concept of Jesus virgin birth is in Mathew and Luke Mathew and Luke also copies from the exodus story to fit Jesus as the suffering messiah a prophet like that of Moses Luke identifies Jesus as the Prophet like Moses in Acts 3:22 Mathew 2 12-21 Historically king Herod never executed first Borns of Bethlehem cause Bethlehem never had any significant role nor where it even a city Mathew got this one horribly wrong
@@user-xi2dp3fi8k Joshua / yehoshua short for Yeshua walk with Moses led the people to the promised land.. he was considered their savior of the people !!!!!!!not their souls... Christianity confuses the Roman Jesus with some of Joshua story, who took over 4 Moses . the Greeks trying to make Jesus the soul savior
The 'xxxx book is not canon' is a very common response from the Evangelicals that I have interacted with. As such non canonical writings are valued no more than Homer or Virgil. Over the years I have learned to not mention any references to First Enoch that are contained in the NT. It is simply a waste of time.
Nimrod is the version perverted, by the authors of the Septuagint, of the identity of the ancient Akkadian god, who was very popular for more than a millennium and a half, here is the Overpowering Monster-slaying God and Hero of the Anunna Gods, I named Ninurta the double seeded Divine born, originally known as Ninĝirsu, the Sumerian god, much older and divine protector of the City State and holy city of Girsu, city where agriculture was born according to Sumer sources, he is also the sovereign god of the powerful City State of Lagash and all its countryside, Bad-Tibira one of the City States named in the pre-flood texts, then Ninĝirsu was sovereign until the small port city of Nina. Fun Facts. Ninĝirsu is also called the Shield of Inanna, which means that he is his first general as well as his official successor, according to the law of legitimate sovereign descent of the kingdom Ki. Which is under the cosmos of An, God-Father of everything, and above the Kur of Ereŝkigal , mother of the magnificent and hyper-powerful Goddess Bau, creator of humanity and Divine Spouse of Ninĝirsu, who is also his assistant/protector when Bau descends, in the world between the Kur (realm beyond the grave) and the Ki (realm of the living in the Earth's surface) making her rounds of what appear to be the prisons, where the monsters that Ninĝirsu defeated imprisoned her.
So what is your point?... You bring up all these things what do you believe what god you worship..and if you're an atheist you serve a god regardless what you say.
"Spirit" is what we call MIND ( Thought and Consciousness ). "God is Spirit .." ( John 4:24 ) We are, what we think. Actions or outward appearances are deceiving. "Lucifer" is the fallen human intellect in man...the "prideful one" that seeks to exalt itself above God.
Enoch = Melchisedek = Hermes = Mercury = Zebedeus = who dwells with God = Messenger = Gabriel = witness = Paul = Klopas = Famous = Zacharias Barachias = martyred heir = Germanicus = Prosperous = Amram = Cornelius = Rightious = blessed Baruch = rich Balthasar = treasurebearer = Mathan = Natanael = Elias = Heli = Helios = son of Sun = heir of Tiberius = Trismegistus.
There are definitely a lot of opinions on these ancient stories but your comment is like saying, " Just search the bible and you'll see that nonbelievers are being dishonest." It's way to vague. Unless you offer some specific examples from what you're suggesting you're simply not offering any value or facts or insight. But I for one, would be very interested in any examples you might have.
Geneaolgies are not history?? The Tenach and Book of Jasher are full of them. Similar stories between cultures doesn't mean all the stories are false. Some might be based on others.
Harold's Temple was false! Righteous hebrew priests rejected! Departed to Qumran built a true Temple. Destroying the Temple and rebuilding in 3 days Jesus was speaking of his Body as the Temple.
Misleading posts. Anyhow the gnostics believed they alone had special knowledge of sacred book's. You proving nothing, like your post with tobia singer.
@@friendo6257 well that's misleading title you have. Like your talk with tobia singer, many rabbinical sage's before Rashi believed Isaiah 53 was about their Messiah.
@@friendo6257 easy its a confused world, more so called scholar's and expert's whose assumptions are always biased. In other words its the human condition.
Interesting ideas but also a lot of "we know better than thousands of Rabbinic and Bible scholars because we believe the scientific Darwinist and 19th century German Documentary ideas about the Tenach which is pure and unadulterated truth." To put simply they make stuff up.to suit their beliefs.
why because the NT says it? Did you know that the Vedas say that Indra is the king of the universe, god of gods also? Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of scepticism you know
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The norse guy is crecganford he has been on mythvision
The plot thickens! I love Dragons in Genesis.
Great job with this interview Neal 💯
Imagine making a mistake when writing those old texts . You can't erase it .
@@donnyholman1547 the BN is
I used to think I knew a lot about the Bible until I started watching this channel. Thanks for the chance to learn so much, Neal and Jason.
😂 I used to think I knew the Bible too, until I started talking to these scholars and people like Jason and Derek !
@@GnosticInformant The interesting part is that religions are interestingly interconnected where White horse rider of Armageddon is the same as Messiah Ben Joseph or Islamic Mahdi or Nostradamus King of Mongol-ManGal-AnGælic people in summer of 1999 quatrain….
I love Jason and the Dragons In Genesis Podcast. Tip: his interviews on Mythvision.
Neal Sendlak and Jason Foux,, Terrific!
Thanks for having Jason on, he helped clarify how important the book of Enoch was, and how it influenced the Christian church. I never realized Enoch played such an important part to the church, and how it's presence is still felt today.
Jason Faux's podcast, and his promotion of Margaret Barker's research, has helped clarify my understanding of this subject moreso than anything else. Thanks.
he's called a fool not a fake (faux fake, fool foux) and who cares, more to the point it seems like a new acquintance. I will check him out for sure!
Awesome Tandem !
Neal, its time to bring back Jason Foux @dragonsingenesispodcast
fascinating episode. I had no idea of the importance of Enoch to understanding the reconciliation of the Old and New testaments. thank you
Very freaking good, Wow. Thanks to Neal and Jason
Excellent interview. Amazing content. Keep it up.
Love the Dragons in Genesis podcast, Margaret Barker’s ideas, and Jason Foux’s further speculations are very compelling and interesting to listen to.
Freaking fabulous video, fantastic information
Great stuff as always!! 👏
Another great guest.
beutiful stories and explenations
Awesome!
Loved this episode hope to see Jason back on soon with you and Derek. It’d be awesome to see a part two with Dr. Bob, really enjoyed their previous conversation
Lol wrong channel
@@walkerflocker7811 I meant that I hoped to see Jason back on soon, and trying to say that a collab with him, and Dr. Bob would be awesome on either of their channels. I love Neal’s conversations with Dr. Bob and I think it’d really cool to see a follow up on that previous collab between the good doctor and Dragons in Genesis with Neal as the host since he brings his own unique perspective into the conversation dynamic
@@ethanstiles948 I was just being silly 😜 cheers!
@@ethanstiles948 I couldn't agree more in fact
Brilliant
1:00:00 Don't forget the "weighing of souls" in Egyptian mythology... If your soul was heavier than a feather, it gets eaten.
This kind of thing is why I love CZcams
Lots of great bits of info in this interview! DiG is a great source of information. Love you both.
awesome video
Great stuff. This is what intrigues me are the stories that are built upon to get what we currently have. So surprising that people think the the ot and nt stand alone. Great energy Neil and Dragon man knows his stuff
How about if we forget all the books and everyone just look inside their hearts……you will not see the son without accepting the Mother…..you will not see the son without accepting the Mother of All….because she is your Mother and you are all the most beloved and awaited children of god the Motherfather….ss
Your Bible says the son is Israel , Exodus 4:22 ....
get a clue , even your Jesus says we're all the sons of God the most high I have said you are gods John 10:34
Your god is a motherf***er? I like 👍🏼
Bibles fake news
Thanks gentleman!
13:18 this is what the Tibetans refer to as "The rainbow body. " It's "the solar body" to the hermetics, and the "seraph" in the dead sea scrolls. Anyone who is interested in this practice should pick up "Between the Gates" by Mark Stavish.
Some hermeticists call it by the Tibetan name, that’s mostly what I’ve heard it called, because the rainbow is fire through water and that’s a big motif in hermeticism so the hermeticists I know really like that terminology.
When Jason was talking about the solar time device, it reminded me of a book I read years ago called Uriel's Machine. It took the story in Enoch and applied it. It is basically instructions on how to make a henge that follows the solar cycle. I haven't tried it (heck, I had forgotten all about it until just now), but they had all the maths and documentation of the experiment in the book and it all looked legit. I don't remember if it was written by scientists, though.
The poor will always outnumber the rich. How can we appease these masses of poor folk ?
Preist 1 - well we can tell them the gods say they will be elevated to the most high in the afterlife.
Preist 2 - you are a genius , I'll go get the writers and put them to task.
This is one of the best videos!!!
Revelation and Enoch
Great interview. A part of me wishes that Enoch was canonized by Protestants. Just to see what would be changed today in modern day apologetics.
It would undoubtedly be some weird s***.
They did the opposite, took a bunch of things out. Martin Luther doubted Jude and Revelation belonged in the canon, let alone Enoch.
Good video
To be fair, a book about one of maybe like three people who we know was taken up to heaven seems like a pretty important book.
Yeshua is also mentioned in Ezra and that takes place almost 400 years before people say that Jesus was alive
Verse?
@@B.S._Lewis Joshua (Hebrew יְהוֹשֻׁוּעַ Yəhōšua') or Yeshua the High Priest was, according to the Bible, the first person chosen to be the High Priest for the reconstruction of the Jewish Temple after the return of the Jews from the Babylonian Captivity (See Zechariah 6:9-14 and Ezra 3 in the Bible)
@@eightness888 Just because they have the same name doesn't mean it's the same person. Next you'll tell me Jesus fought the battle of Jericho...
@@B.S._Lewis if your eyes are shut then theres no point showing you. . .be well friend.
@@eightness888 So, basically if I don't agree with your make believe loosey goose word association. Then tough noogies.
I have a Jesus who prunes my roses too. Is that the 2nd coming? Well if you don't agree, you're just not woke. Shalom.
I can remember been raised LDS Enoch and Jared and the Brother of Jared are the key characters Joseph Smith obcessed about and they are main characters of the pearl of Great price. I find it fascinating how the appolatptic imagery of Enoch apealed to early Mormonism more than Elijah
I tried to do a search, but I couldn't find anything on Samson and Samash (?). Any help?
Interesting note. Edgar Cayce, the sleeping prophet, revealed during a session that Qumran was the Jewish group holding the foundation of Jesus' ideas of God, resurrection and reality.
Edgar Cayce was buried in Hopkinsville, Ky. When I lived out there I often wondered about him when I would drive through that little border( TN) town .
I'm sure you're aware of the theory that Jesus was Caesar by Francesco Carotta.
Why are we stuck with cannon? Where are all the books? Let me read them!
Enjoyed this ! N yes U do have some fundamentalists listening, lol. Coming from a background in Spiritual Warfare tho, I have to ask U, are you discounting true spiritual experiences associated with this literature? Had any yourself? Jason was right on when he described the role of Yahweh's Angels in the Judean concept. That's exactly how I have experienced them during various encounters........"Security Guards, Prosecuting Attorneys & Undercover Agents". 👍 Just hearing him say that was tremendously reaffirming. I hope my testimony in return, proves to be the same for him & for others. 💛
3:05 for some reason I pictured John C Reilly saying this in a mockumentary type movie 😀
The prophet of the bahai faith claimed Hermes is Idris and idris is the Arabic version of Enrich
In the teachings of the Way, Enoch was the 3rd of the Seven Signs, or Sons of Man. This is why he is often associated with the numbe 3, being the third of the Seven. He is also known as Marduk, amongst his names. His place in the narrative, and those of the previous Sons of Man, were edited out by what later became the mainstream Jewish religion, as they were part of a philosophical following that opposed blind belief and gods, but baxame deified after their deaths. Even so, Enoch-Marduk was preserved by the likes of the Salt Sea/Dead Sea community at modern day Qumran, and that of the Ethiopic peoples, who were both separate from the mainstream Jewish religion by the time of Jesus. The confusion about Enoch's multiple names, is that he, like many ancient kings, had multiple names.
Marduk is the Phoenician name, so the area by Jericho and Tyre?
7:33 well Vesuvius is 79 ad I think I have an idea why the Jews in Roman territories might be into Enoch.
Jude is likely psuedoepigraphical. Judas, who was called Dumas, brother of Jesus, left the Near East around 52 AD and was not heard about until 1000 years later. The gospil of Jude was written between 60 and 75 AD.
The person you should be critical of is the Rabbi, he’s the one who is saying Jews would never follow Jesus, and yet Christianity has all the references in their text that directly come from mystic Judaism. Rabbi Singer is essentially saying that only pharisetic Judaism was real Judaism. Yes, it’s true, the pharisees and Sadducees were less than 20% of all forms of Judaism, and mystic Judaism was not a majority either, but there were at least as many mystics running around as there were pharisees.
The thing is that of these mystics each had their own vision of what Judaism was and only a minority were close enough to align with Yeshua. We know that Jews were Jesus followers, we know this because they were kicking Paul’s ass, and because from them we have the variety of post crucifixion Jesus sects that appeared. The only truely Yeshuan/Johanan movement that matters are the Evyon and the later Ebionites and Nazoreans. Even so the Ep. of James was translated, edited and redacted.
These texts, Ep. Jude, Ep. 1 Peter, Ep .2 Peter, the 6 pseudo Ep. Paul, Ep. 1-3 of John, Gospel of John, Revelations. Much of this material came out of the post ostacization community of Ephesus. All of this stuff is Christians getting high on ecstatic mysticism, a fair number of these texts are inspired by shrooms. They were probably reading Jewish text not found in the synagog. Paul was a mystic. These people believe they can write the words of Jesus and the disciples because they have a mystical experience of that person, these are delusions.
According to some the Syrian “Christians” only followed Matthew or Luke, tore out the birth narrative. These Jews did follow a Christianity, just not the christianity the Rabbi is so fond of cursing. Later they forced to convert or leave.
There is nothing wrong with mysticism or mystics per say. This is not my point, but the value of mysticism is of little use to theism except in the ecstatic context, and many religions make a point of saying visions of heaven, god , Jesus, the prophets, thrones, etc are spiritual delusion (true both in Judaism and Orthodoxy). This is self contradictory, so they must have a very good reason for saying this. Ecstatic visions will almost always be misinterpreted, the problem is these are no different from any flavor of the occult. No matter we’re you see these, in Ezekiel, Isaiah, Daniel, Paul, Ep. John, Acts, Enoch, or Revelation you immediately need to treat the source of that material as delusional. Mysticism does not create theism, it creates a sense of the inner divine, projecting visions on others is invariably cultic and results in oppressive religions. The Yahwist stomped out the Elohimic beliefs, they even coopted the meaning of the word Elohim into a false meaning.

the Epistle of Jude is Canon in 100% of Christian sects and Bibles. Its the 65th book of the 66 central canon christian texts in Protestent Bibles and it's the one right before Revelation.
@DragonsInGenesis , you could have an episode on the characters in 1 Enoch, called “Enoch, Enoch. Who’s there?”
Interestingly, in the Edgar Cacye readings, Enoch is supposed to be a previous incarnation of Jesus.
It’s not plagiarism but it’s like Armageddon and Deep Impact. It’s obvious that Deep Impact caught wind that another studio was making an asteroid movie and wanted to get in on the hype. It’s appropriation. If I want to tell a hero story, all the hero stories I’ve heard will influence what I write.
If I want to create a demigod narrative I’m gonna make him born of a virgin, a prophesied birth, under a star in the east, kings will try to kill the baby, etc. because that’s what all the demigod narratives that people are familiar with. If I want my demigod to catch on, I need to make it familiar to the masses.
From what I understand the original book of Jasher is lost and what we have now was written much much later. Check out Centre Place channel for a lecture by John Hamer on The Book of Jasher. Very insightful video
I reincarnated as Titus, leader of the Roman guard, and fulfilled my own words. I tore down the temple because I was Moses and made a tabernacle. Not a fkn temple. Understand ME IN THIS. I took it away because they weren't using it properly anymore. UNDERSTAND. MY GOD. UNDERSTAND. NOBODY GETS IT. TABERNACLE WAS A WAY TO BRING THE HOLY SPIRIT OF THE LORD DOWN INTO THE HOLY OF HOLIES. THUS GIVING THEM DIVINE PROTECTION. IT WAS NOT A BUILDING TO GO PRAY IN. MEET YES. IT WAS NOT A TEMPLE. PLEASE BE SOMEONE WHO'S SMART ENOUGH TO GET IT.
Is there a good book to recommend about this subject?
These guys are pretty darned good by really really big Texas standards
It’s not that they have an answer, but that they have an excuse
Thank G-D, Noah’s ark preserved; otherwise, we’d have nothing to shield from the torrent of lies. ❤️
Are you serious? Where is Noah's ark preserved? Do we have photos and a location?
Another great academic tour through the world's most popular fantasy epic.
1Enoch is plagiarism of the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus [Thoth] known in Alexandria when the Septuagint was translated, and after Julius Africanus produced his Sethian theory, the book represented a contradiction because of its 'fallen angel/Watchers' theory, so from about 200 AD it was banished and went out of circulation with Augustine of Hippo's blessing. The fallen angel theory was an interpretation of Genesis 6, that was common due to a loss of knowledge after the library of Alexandria was burned. That was 200 years after the translation of the Septuagint which has 'Angels' instead of 'sons of God' and this was not in the sense of actual angels, but of what the teachings of Hermes Trismegistus stated about Adam and Seth. Adam was said to have had an angelic nature [which is comparable to Christ's]. That is why Christ was believed in neoplatonism to be a second Adam.The term 'bene Ha-Elohim' was given the wrong sense. It was interpreted as Sons who actually were divine or angelic beings, like angels, but with Hermes teachings, that was no mystery. It was common knowledge that they were BEINGS WITH AN ANGELIC NATURE. The term 'nature' is the key. Adam had a PERFECT NATURE WHICH WAS LOST but can be recovered [through an integration of the Universal Christ, the Light of God, etc.. which has a transcendental effect. It transforms the human nature. It leads to Ascension. But Christianity, the Roman Church's dogma tells us that that Light was the Word and that only Christ possessed it, or was its incarnation. However, Enoch and Eliah ascended.
I THINK that the Watchers' story attributes the corruption of the antediluvian world to the inter-marriages of the sons of God and the revelation of celestial secrets, and that's erroneous, because Hermes' teachings are in connection with Initiators who revealed knowledge that was necessary for mankind to create civilization.
It's obviously a scribe who added material since the book if generic.
The Overthrow of the Lost Church of Christ & Holy Grail Unveiled
[For Back Cover]
Unveiling the drama of a slaughter by the Romans, in their effort to enforce an Edict declared in 42 A.D. because of the dissemination of a doctrine from Avalon to beyond the seas, the author establishes that Joseph of Arimathea preached in Britain at the surprising early date of 37 A.D. and actually founded a Church of Christ in Glastonbury that had no connection with the later conversion of the British Isles to Christianity with the arrival of Augustinian missionaries in 597 A.D. Francis Bacon made an allusion to a wide overthrow of apostolic institutions, which may have been concealed, in his statement: ‘the Britons were the last of all the Churches of Europe that gave up their power to the Roman beast’. The author expounds that the factor that justifies the need for a Redemption by Christ’s crucifixion, in Christianity, is Augustine of Hippo’s contention that Adam and Eve committed an Original Sin. She argues this is but a dogma and is on the basis of an erroneous interpretation in relation to the ‘Forbidden Tree of Knowledge’ of Genesis. Furthermore, in order to deify the human Jesus, the Roman Church’s early Councils declared he was the ‘Word made flesh’ and its unique incarnation, although the term, translated from ‘Logos’ is in connection with the symbology of the Holy Grail and the Light of the Universal Christ that can be integrated into the human chalice for a transcendental effect to recover the ‘perfect nature’ that Adam possessed. That ‘perfect nature’ is the key that the author uses to unravel the mystery of the ‘Sons of God’ and refute the ‘fallen angel theory’ in a ground-breaking exegesis for Genesis 6:1-4, with the proposition that the lost sense of ‘Ha-Elohim’ in the Masoretic text, is ‘angelic nature’ and not ‘divine or angelic’ in the sense of actual angels. The Sons of God are revealed as Initiators with an angelic nature, who together with the Atlanteans were progenitors of the 5th Root or Aryan Race, in which both good and evil incarnated, and the latter continues to be the reason for what is wrong in the world.
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Christine Preston holds a BA [Hons] in Religious Studies & History, with Theology, an MA: Master of Arts with Translation of the Bible History. She has reconstructed the lost timeline of a forgotten scholar for the Ancient History Department of Swansea University, and identified the reasons that his works were received as controversial in the 1920s, in ‘The Rise of Man in the Gardens of Sumeria - a biography of L A. Waddell 1854-1938’ published by Sussex Academic Press [2009]. Other works: ‘From the Words of Angels and Ancient Book of Jika’ [2012] containing her translation of a manuscript parallel to Genesis 6, and numerous videos, see Channel Ascension.
Christ will return but not in the way you think! Dictation by telepathic communication, Nov 29, 2021
correction: the book IS generic.
I don't know how you can start saying something is too rediculous to be in the bible when we have the Bible. Where are all the other documents? I want to understand where these books come from.
Enoch : from sungod to solar prophet. 🌞
Moses wrote Genesis. This can be confirmed by Jesus himself in the gospel of John. Jesus shredded the documentary hypothesis to pieces. He was aware that men would deny that Moses was the first historian. Jesus did a really good job in confirming the authenticity of the old testament Bibles based upon the masoretic texts such as kjv err in the generations of Shem. The septuagint, written before Jesus arrived, provides a more accurate account of rhe generations of shem.
That's why Bono ( sin) will tell you I haven't met Jesus yet and yet sin went to that throne at 7 and that wasn't Jesus.
They quote the man, not the book.
Book of Jasher is not the real book mentioned in Joshua. It is compiled from the oral traditions of the Jews. Ever hear of a another book called "Legends of the Jew?" The real book of Jasher mentioned in Joshua has not been found yet.
I'm here for the stogies.
Bertrand Russell says that the Beatitudes are plagiarized from the Testements Of The Twelve Patriarchs.
Is Enoch considered a historical figure? You know, in the same sense of an ordinary (in the sense of NOT divine) human who maybe did some astonishing things and taught the same, even though NOT supernaturally? (I'm betting most secular or non-fundamentalist scholars understand Enoch is in the same category as Adam, Noah, Moses, Job, etc. - i.e., totally fictional.)
But IF the Jesus story seems to be a rehash and updated version of Enoch, would that not strongly imply JESUS was ALSO totally fictional? I mean, I don't see a first century iterant illiterate preacher carrying around a copy of Enoch in order to make sure the sounds coming out of his mouth match directly to this particular scripture.
Is Jesus considered a historical figure?
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Yess 70% most likely existed just like Simon of Parea and Jon the Baptist in Josephus fragments
Considering there where many messiahinc figures in Judea after the Babylonian exile 600 BCE to 4-7 BCE
@@nicksklavos I believe people accept him as historical because it would be harder to factually prove otherwise. Mythicists have been called "crazy" ... even by Atheists. So, most people accept the historical figure, but few really accept the "proof" of miracles, crucifixion, resurrection, ...etc.
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It’s not crazy as you might think
As Jesus of the Bible never existed
Jesus existed most likely but he is not like what the New Testament mentions he is
The oldest canonical Gospel of mark dose not mention Jesus virgin birth Nor dose it mention who saw Jesus be crucified
The concept of Jesus virgin birth is in Mathew and Luke
Mathew and Luke also copies from the exodus story to fit Jesus as the suffering messiah a prophet like that of Moses
Luke identifies Jesus as the Prophet like Moses in Acts 3:22
Mathew 2 12-21
Historically king Herod never executed first Borns of Bethlehem cause Bethlehem never had any significant role nor where it even a city
Mathew got this one horribly wrong
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Joshua / yehoshua short for Yeshua walk with Moses led the people to the promised land.. he was considered their savior of the people !!!!!!!not their souls...
Christianity confuses the Roman Jesus with some of Joshua story, who took over 4 Moses .
the Greeks trying to make Jesus the soul savior
Enoch becomes the archangel Metatron.
The 'xxxx book is not canon' is a very common response from the Evangelicals that I have interacted with. As such non canonical writings are valued no more than Homer or Virgil. Over the years I have learned to not mention any references to First Enoch that are contained in the NT. It is simply a waste of time.
I'm the elect one. I can prove it too. Failing to believe me condemns you.
Greed, taking is of the lie about who we are bc it says we aren't part of the eternal all.
Further, if Herod initiated the “killing of the innocents” due to Jesus professed to be a future king - then Jesus failed, he was never a king…
FMA
Nimrod is the version perverted, by the authors of the Septuagint, of the identity of the ancient Akkadian god, who was very popular for more than a millennium and a half, here is the Overpowering Monster-slaying God and Hero of the Anunna Gods, I named Ninurta the double seeded Divine born, originally known as Ninĝirsu, the Sumerian god, much older and divine protector of the City State and holy city of Girsu, city where agriculture was born according to Sumer sources, he is also the sovereign god of the powerful City State of Lagash and all its countryside, Bad-Tibira one of the City States named in the pre-flood texts, then Ninĝirsu was sovereign until the small port city of Nina.
Fun Facts.
Ninĝirsu is also called the Shield of Inanna, which means that he is his first general as well as his official successor, according to the law of legitimate sovereign descent of the kingdom Ki.
Which is under the cosmos of An, God-Father of everything, and above the Kur of Ereŝkigal , mother of the magnificent and hyper-powerful Goddess Bau, creator of humanity and Divine Spouse of Ninĝirsu, who is also his assistant/protector when Bau descends, in the world between the Kur (realm beyond the grave) and the Ki (realm of the living in the Earth's surface) making her rounds of what appear to be the prisons, where the monsters that Ninĝirsu defeated imprisoned her.
So what is your point?... You bring up all these things what do you believe what god you worship..and if you're an atheist you serve a god regardless what you say.
I thought the demons knew who Jesus was because they didn’t want to be tormented before there time
There is another guy you should have on who knows a shit ton about the legends of odin.
"Spirit" is what we call MIND ( Thought and Consciousness ).
"God is Spirit .." ( John 4:24 )
We are, what we think.
Actions or outward appearances are deceiving.
"Lucifer" is the fallen human intellect in man...the "prideful one" that seeks to exalt itself
above God.
Audio Assault Xctr, thank me later!
Uh, Bloody Milton as well...
Enoch = Melchisedek = Hermes = Mercury = Zebedeus = who dwells with God = Messenger = Gabriel = witness = Paul = Klopas = Famous = Zacharias Barachias = martyred heir = Germanicus = Prosperous = Amram = Cornelius = Rightious = blessed Baruch = rich Balthasar = treasurebearer = Mathan = Natanael = Elias = Heli = Helios = son of Sun = heir of Tiberius = Trismegistus.
"Uh-zay-zul"
Judeis straight feardc etbhis citation of Enoch 2 Peter alluding to Enoch as well.
Enochs tells you , Michael introduces you to God in 10 th heaven. I have seem my daughter Michael, SkyIsa and Thor and Ellen in 10th Heaven.
Jubilees and Enoch should be the christian "old testament" lol just those two. Preface books lol
Just search about Enoch and the Dead Sea scrolls and you will see they are not being truthful here
There are definitely a lot of opinions on these ancient stories but your comment is like saying, " Just search the bible and you'll see that nonbelievers are being dishonest."
It's way to vague.
Unless you offer some specific examples from what you're suggesting you're simply not offering any value or facts or insight.
But I for one, would be very interested in any examples you might have.
Neither does the talking cross freak me out , I been saying for months I don't care about all of these fallen angels splinter religions in America.
Been rolling off my lips a little too easy , I don't care about all of these fallen angel American splinter religions.
Geneaolgies are not history?? The Tenach and Book of Jasher are full of them.
Similar stories between cultures doesn't mean all the stories are false. Some might be based on others.
Harold's Temple was false! Righteous hebrew priests rejected! Departed to Qumran built a true Temple. Destroying the Temple and rebuilding in 3 days Jesus was speaking of his Body as the Temple.
Subhan allah
Enoch is one of the so called Q document.
🤔5g/"Voice of God" warfare could make those crosses all talk! (Kinda wish I could dictate what they'd say!)😂
Misleading posts. Anyhow the gnostics believed they alone had special knowledge of sacred book's. You proving nothing, like your post with tobia singer.
Many varied “gnostic” sects existed. Not all gnostics believed the same thing
@@friendo6257 well that's misleading title you have. Like your talk with tobia singer, many rabbinical sage's before Rashi believed Isaiah 53 was about their Messiah.
@@frederickanderson1860 you must be confused
@@friendo6257 easy its a confused world, more so called scholar's and expert's whose assumptions are always biased. In other words its the human condition.
@@friendo6257 like all human knowledge.
Interesting ideas but also a lot of "we know better than thousands of Rabbinic and Bible scholars because we believe the scientific Darwinist and 19th century German Documentary ideas about the Tenach which is pure and unadulterated truth." To put simply they make stuff up.to suit their beliefs.
JESUS CHRIST IS KING...
ELVIS IS KING OF ROCK & ROLL...
Opinions are fun.
ROBIN HOOD IS PRINCE OF THIEVES 😆
why because the NT says it? Did you know that the Vedas say that Indra is the king of the universe, god of gods also? Nothing wrong with a healthy dose of scepticism you know
Jesus is Baal
Why king? Why not president? Why is a feudal overlord the role of Jesus?
The only true book is the book of Jesus balls.
Absolute gold