The Rise & Fall of Mitsubishi - Past Gas

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  • čas přidán 25. 04. 2023
  • The year is 1870. And a samurai has just started a trading operation in a Japan still coming to grips with the modern world. Through hard work, ingenious engineering, and perhaps more than a little war profiteering, that company would later grow to be Mitsubishi - one of the four largest companies in one of the world's four largest economies. But how did sales plummet to just 15 percent of their peak in a few short years? How did the company watch Volkswagen's Dieselgate unfold and then TOP IT? And is Mitsubishi responsible for the trend of naming mid-size crossovers after once-iconic performance models? All that and more on today’s Past Gas - as we learn about the Rise and Fall of Mitsubishi.
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Komentáře • 264

  • @dth2brny121
    @dth2brny121 Před rokem +260

    James? AND Justin? Alongside Nolan and Joe? AND WE GOT VIDEO AGAIN!!! Life is good once more...

    • @bombercountyblues
      @bombercountyblues Před rokem +2

      Dunno bud . I'm getting some serious deja vu listening to this.. Ithink it might be a re-upload from a couple of years ago..

    • @dth2brny121
      @dth2brny121 Před rokem +12

      @@bombercountyblues This is the first podcast with Justin, so it's not a repeat.

    • @bombercountyblues
      @bombercountyblues Před rokem +4

      ​@@dth2brny121yeah,, you're probably right.. still sure I've heard em discussing this before though..I'm 100% certain they've mentioned the Jackie chan evo and his ralliart connection before..

    • @michaelcianci7944
      @michaelcianci7944 Před rokem +4

      @@bombercountyblues Mitsubishi gets talked about a fair amount on the podcast because it is such a pivotal company thats indistinguishable from itself 10-15 years ago... and i think there was a lancer dedicated episode that mentioned Jackie chan a lot because of his ties

    • @jebus456
      @jebus456 Před rokem

      hell yes!!

  • @arcticfoam5480
    @arcticfoam5480 Před rokem +143

    So fucking stoked about video being back. Thank you guys so much! And it’s so great to see Justin here as well!

    • @KeithZim
      @KeithZim Před rokem

      I don't know, " He's got a face for radio... " LOL you know Im just busting balls LOL

  • @giorap2625
    @giorap2625 Před rokem +49

    VIDEOCAST!!! Thanks so much guys I know the video is extra work but we the fans really appreciate it

  • @pulloutperformance
    @pulloutperformance Před rokem +13

    Heck yeah! Video is back!

  • @ale050505
    @ale050505 Před rokem +27

    video is back! love to watch a podcast in video when i come back home even if i listen to it earlier at my job!

  • @yohojones
    @yohojones Před rokem +8

    JAMES!!! Welcome back. Missed you.

  • @DudeNews1
    @DudeNews1 Před rokem +7

    Omg… video of my boys 🥰 glad to see those faces

  • @mybloodtypeKRYLON
    @mybloodtypeKRYLON Před rokem +10

    Imma be real here , this is the formula I don't mind waiting a full week or more for this to be the way . Justin was a great add

  • @masoniain
    @masoniain Před rokem +8

    Awesome to have video back. Justin's a great addition too

  • @brixhodl4765
    @brixhodl4765 Před rokem +47

    Can we get a Past Gas where James just does a table read of a Seinfeld script by himself?

    • @an0gr0br
      @an0gr0br Před rokem +5

      I had to go back. His Frank and Estelle had me in stitches for like five minutes

    • @shatguin
      @shatguin Před rokem +3

      @@an0gr0br It was quite good, really. I had to rewatch it again!

  • @MrSquirrelsagain
    @MrSquirrelsagain Před rokem +10

    Finally!!
    I love my lancer(08) with 280k miles and am very sad its going downhill.

  • @s.platted
    @s.platted Před rokem +5

    Man, we love Justin! Something about his aura and personality. Glad we can see more of him

  • @FoxMacLeod2501
    @FoxMacLeod2501 Před rokem +4

    I'M **SO** HAPPY YOU GUYS ARE FINALLY BACK ON VIDEO!! **edit** add a screenshot of y'all in the studio; I put this on and only realized there was video after 45 minutes of not looking, assuming it was just that thumbnail picture again.

  • @gunnarmh
    @gunnarmh Před rokem +5

    I LOVE these podcasts. One of my favourite things about this podcast is when the crew behind the cameras/mics bursts out in laughter.

  • @electronaut3263
    @electronaut3263 Před rokem +5

    Thank you guys for bringing the video back!! 🎉 As someone who’s been following the show on CZcams (and didn’t want to switch to spotify & lose track of which episodes I’d already heard)… the extra effort is appreciated. Especially when there’s a dog in the studio for us to see. 🐶Justin was a great guest and it’s so good to hear James again too! Really interesting topic, I have a hard time thinking Mitsubishi will ever get back to their automotive glory days, but hell if I don’t still want an old Eclipse …

  • @logan_mfs5563
    @logan_mfs5563 Před rokem +8

    THIS IS WHAT WE’VE BEEN WAITING FOR!

  • @siggy6044
    @siggy6044 Před rokem +6

    Damn, can't believe we get to see the boys again. And we get Justin sitting in as a bonus!

  • @turbo1438
    @turbo1438 Před rokem +4

    19:30 just realized I'm watching an actual video. Great to see you back boys!

  • @luckywalker2419
    @luckywalker2419 Před rokem +2

    THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR VIDEO BACK!!! Been here since the start and really missed it

  • @GOOSEYBRUCEY
    @GOOSEYBRUCEY Před rokem +2

    Longtime Spotify listener at work ❤ I like this set up 👌

  • @MastinoNapoletano420
    @MastinoNapoletano420 Před rokem +2

    Wow I always thought that Mitsubishi emulated the shape of an engineers scale when you look at it longways. Thanks for sharing guys. Glad to "see" you again on the podcasts.

  • @nickmonastirsky1605
    @nickmonastirsky1605 Před rokem

    Guys.....thank you so much for finally listening to fans and bringing back all the best parts.....great way to experience past gas

  • @coupe2563
    @coupe2563 Před rokem +1

    drove a 2010 outlander v6 a couple years ago and it was honestly the most fun car i’ve ever driven. handled like a bad ass somehow

  • @arcticfoam5480
    @arcticfoam5480 Před rokem +3

    So glad the video is back! Just watched the whole episode. To see Justin on more of the future episodes would be great. He seems like a great addition

  • @popsiclesbutlikeanancientg59

    Great to see the live video back and its nice to have other hosts on from the main channel, great story too!

  • @johnnoob
    @johnnoob Před rokem +4

    love seeing the boys hanging in the office !!

  • @speedracer2please
    @speedracer2please Před rokem +3

    FANTASTIC podcast!
    I know doing video for each of these is a ton of extra work, but you went above and beyond. It could just be a quad split that stays up the whole time, I'd be fine!
    Maybe it's because I just finished Like A Dragon: Ishin, but that intro gave me some vivid mental imagery. I hope MItsubishi gets it back together eventually.

  • @johnnydixon5687
    @johnnydixon5687 Před 9 měsíci

    Wow this is one of the best past gas podcasts I’ve listened to I hope you all continue and continue to be more and more successful

  • @Girz0r
    @Girz0r Před rokem +4

    These days, we need to swap the 4 cylinder motor into the mirage hatch

  • @stretchymc5126
    @stretchymc5126 Před rokem +4

    as a diehard mitsu fan it hurts, im an australian we didnt even get eclipse here (but we got the bastardization crossover) but we got a tonne of evos ralliarts colts magnas as well as the 3000gt and FTO which are rare gems nowadays, base naturally aspirated lancers are everywhere here (ive got an imitation evo X, i'll never afford a real one) and they fucking tear up the khanacross

    • @dth2brny121
      @dth2brny121 Před rokem

      IIRC, wasn't the 3000GT called the GTO in Australia as well? Plus, I learned the 380 (aka the final generation Galant here in N. America) you had down there got a MANUAL TRANSMISSION, while our Galant at that time did not. That's just SACRILEGE on our part up here...!

    • @stretchymc5126
      @stretchymc5126 Před rokem +1

      @@dth2brny121 yeah I mean they've all got GTO badges but because of their appearances in movies and video games as 3000gt the names are used relatively interchangeably, i'll use GTO in person when im talking with a bunch of mates but i'll use 3000gt online cuz its likely more people will recognize that.
      we have manual 380s but theyre getting a lot harder to find for every manual there's like 10 automatics

    • @dth2brny121
      @dth2brny121 Před rokem +1

      @Stretchy MC Yeah, the back story on the GTO/3000GT is that the 3000GT name was used in N. America and Europe because the GTO moniker is famously associated with the Pontiac GTO and the Ferrari 250 GTO, so the negative connotations of seeing those three letters on a Japanese car wouldn't fly apparently, lol...
      So, it is what it is. The GTO name in this instance however, was chosen by Mitsubishi as an homage to the Galant GTO of the 70's, which was huge in Japan.

    • @TranceF0rmation
      @TranceF0rmation Před rokem +1

      Just copped a clean 2011 Ralliart last weekend. Never seen one on the road and happened to see one up for sale. Got it 12 hours later and loving it

  • @MichaelMitchell9969
    @MichaelMitchell9969 Před rokem

    I love the show, and I am so happy you are back to the video format. Miss it. Great show! 🎉❤

  • @blakedubois2777
    @blakedubois2777 Před rokem +1

    FINALLY THE VIDEO IS BACK, I WILL NOW RETURN TO WATCHING EVERY TIME

  • @cheharrison7107
    @cheharrison7107 Před rokem

    Woohoo! Good times! thanks for bringing video back 🤘🤘🤘

  • @murphmanmatt11
    @murphmanmatt11 Před rokem +1

    im so hype you guys went back to video 🙌🏼

  • @julioematias9029
    @julioematias9029 Před rokem +1

    2 vids in one day, again! Boy oh boy, aren’t we spoiled!

  • @mikeydeshon5637
    @mikeydeshon5637 Před rokem +1

    Mitsubishi is the first import to ever be covered in hotrod magazine.
    Back in 2003 John shepherds eagle talon was making over 1000 awhp and was doing 7 second quarter mile times.

  • @kcm732
    @kcm732 Před rokem +1

    glad to see a recorded in person podcast!

  • @wornouttrends
    @wornouttrends Před rokem

    First Donut podcast I’ve dropped into in a while and I must say, this set up is PERFECT. The camerawork, the hosts, the conversations; it’s all wonderful and I’m very grateful to witness! Of course switching up who’s on would be great and keep it fresh. Much love, keep up the good work, fellas

  • @peppercb8428
    @peppercb8428 Před rokem +1

    I love that the Rampage was mentioned ! I have my dad's '82 Rampage and it is absolutely one of my favorite cars 🖤

    • @jae8204
      @jae8204 Před rokem +1

      I had an 82 rampage when I was 17. I wish I never got rid of it. It was an awesome car, defiantly a head turner for sure.

  • @strawhat532
    @strawhat532 Před rokem +1

    Guys!!! Totally did not know you had a podcast 😭 until today! Advertise it more😭😭 I needed this

  • @johnnydixon5687
    @johnnydixon5687 Před 9 měsíci

    Love the video tho especially at this point, love you guys get going on your own rants, I really like these videos where you tell the story of an individual “making it” during times of Great change.

  • @seanscott7120
    @seanscott7120 Před rokem +3

    My friend designed the 4th gen Eclipse. His concept was pretty radical but by the time it made it to market it had been changed so much he quit Mitsubishi. His direction was to bring back the excitement of the GSX but the upper management wanted watered down FWD automatics.

    • @xxkrusher1013
      @xxkrusher1013 Před rokem

      are the orginal concepts online anywhere? Id love to see them

    • @seanscott7120
      @seanscott7120 Před rokem +1

      @@xxkrusher1013 yup, Road and Track did a write up. It was called the Eclipse Concept E

    • @josephandreuccetti7270
      @josephandreuccetti7270 Před 7 měsíci

      They definitely were money laundering and scamming the company

    • @josephandreuccetti7270
      @josephandreuccetti7270 Před 7 měsíci

      It was awd and turbo I remember that car it was also very cool and evo based

    • @josephandreuccetti7270
      @josephandreuccetti7270 Před 7 měsíci

      @@xxkrusher1013it was based on a evo and indeed you can evo swap them today

  • @deltacharlieecho4732
    @deltacharlieecho4732 Před rokem

    Thanks for bringing back video

  • @cliffp73
    @cliffp73 Před rokem

    15:30 I just had this very same conservation and I agree with James!!

  • @texholmes3
    @texholmes3 Před rokem

    Worth the wait finally video back

  • @pietersmatinworks
    @pietersmatinworks Před rokem +1

    I think I've watched Jame's Seinfeld impersonation 10 times now... It kills me every time lol. You guys are the best; thank you so much for the great content across your channels!

  • @humbertoarteaga3858
    @humbertoarteaga3858 Před rokem

    Im a die heart evo owner and i heard some facts here that i wasnt are off. Hats off to the research team

  • @christianibarra4859
    @christianibarra4859 Před rokem

    currently listening to this while working at a mitsubishi dealership

  • @halfdemon43
    @halfdemon43 Před rokem

    So glad there was a video this time 👍

  • @GreenNutts
    @GreenNutts Před rokem +1

    Love the video back. Nice seeing Justin on the podcast. Has Jer been on yet? That’ll be cool too!

  • @enriquesepulveda9989
    @enriquesepulveda9989 Před rokem +1

    Video Yes!!!! Good to see James is back

  • @mk4_krit841
    @mk4_krit841 Před rokem

    awesome podcast yay for video again!!! 🎉

  • @TheExcelon87
    @TheExcelon87 Před 5 měsíci

    That 25 models in 25 is crazy. As of this moment on the Mitsubishi motors website (in the US) they have 6 models. But technically if you pair that down, that's two versions of the Mirage, the Eclipse Cross and 3 versions of the Outlander. So more like 3 models. Crazy...

  • @PreShitbox
    @PreShitbox Před rokem +1

    Was able to pick up a Gen 2 Montero for 3k and it is literally a low-budged fj80 land cruiser. They are totally slept on!

  • @callumpugh6532
    @callumpugh6532 Před rokem

    39:26 also grew up in Louisville and was the school you were talking about Saint X

  • @AliOfBaba
    @AliOfBaba Před rokem +2

    Videeeeooooooo let’s goooooo!

  • @JETZcorp
    @JETZcorp Před rokem +2

    Clarification on the small trucks. The Dodge Rampage was a Chrysler product, based on the FWD K-car platform. That's also what the Charger was btw. The D-50 was a Mitsubishi Mighty Max, and was directly analogous to other minitrucks from Toyota and Datsun, Ford Courier, Chevy Luv, etc. RWD, body on frame. My dad actually has a 1985 Dodge D-50 that he dailies. The Mitsubishi Raider was a rebadged Dakota.

  • @antifascistskater
    @antifascistskater Před rokem +1

    Hell yeah welcome back to video!

  • @addiecore
    @addiecore Před rokem +1

    My brother's 2023 Outlander PHEV got a Maserati to blow it's engine at a stop light drag. He's the guy just bought it and blew the engine before the break in period. He looked behind him and saw smoke coming from the hood as he drove away. The 0-60 on the PHEV feels pretty quick, it's just after 60 the car is a bit sluggish. Thing is at least as fun to drive as a Tesla, plus he can get 40-60 miles of electric range. I drove it again last night, it's so smooth compared to my normal 2.5L FWD 2022 Outlander.

    • @triforsquad856
      @triforsquad856 Před 10 měsíci

      i bought the phev 1 2 month ago and it really feel like a sleep , make them mercedes go crazy went they see me flying

  • @brent_miserwannabe_3thousa38
    @brent_miserwannabe_3thousa38 Před 6 měsíci +1

    Even though this is 6 months old, Ill let you guys in on why Papa Murphree's is a take home and bake your own pizza model biz. It's so that people on EBT (what used to be known as "food stamps") can buy their pizzas to take home and bake. As EBT cannot be used to buy prepared food. Shit like grocery store bakery's and deli's that serve warmed prepared food, think Walmart, Publix, etc. rotisserie chicken's and such cannot be bought with EBT cards. The chicken's that are not sold the day of rotary baking are put into the fridge section of the deli, which then they can be bought with the EBT card.
    So, Papa M's sell their pizza's all put together, but uncooked so that families on the EBT card can get themselves a pizza as for the most part they cannot afford a night of Domino's, Pizza Hut, Papa John's and such.
    They are choosing not to directly compete with those big nationwide pizza company's and instead focus on the low side of the economy class who depend on the EBT program.

  • @Mechadondada
    @Mechadondada Před rokem

    That Jackie Chan movie was my intro to the EVO. Had no idea what it was, but knew it was sick.

  • @mach1mustangguy992
    @mach1mustangguy992 Před 11 měsíci

    My buddy has a ralliart lancer. Manual trans, evo front end and wing, with turbo……sick build

  • @learnandthriveee
    @learnandthriveee Před 25 dny

    THAT SEINFELD BIT HAHAHAHAHA IT WAS ABSOLUTELY PERFECT 😅😅😅😅👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

  • @countbatculabrucetepes1959

    Yo those Seinfeld impersonations were perfection😂

  • @imacahguy
    @imacahguy Před 5 měsíci

    My daily is a YELLOW LANCER! It’s a Sportback ralliart wagon. 2004 was the only year we got them in America. Weirdly more rare than my Evo 8 GSR.

  • @AbzAden
    @AbzAden Před 11 měsíci

    That Seinfeld bit was gold 😂

  • @nickdestcroix
    @nickdestcroix Před rokem

    Great that video is back but honestly can't be bothered to watch this in full with all the ads on CZcams, just going to listen to this instead

  • @TheMindUnlocked
    @TheMindUnlocked Před rokem +2

    I do prefer video podcast!

  • @SpaceApe_Industries
    @SpaceApe_Industries Před rokem +1

    All eclipses came with the bulge in the hood it wasn’t for the turbo it was to account for the timing belt cover

  • @borngunner88
    @borngunner88 Před rokem

    Yessss… please do more video podcasts

  • @lo0nyt0onz
    @lo0nyt0onz Před rokem

    We get video again? Finally ❤

  • @Gowaduv
    @Gowaduv Před rokem +1

    I bought a lightning yellow OZ Lancer in July 2002 and had it until August 2016. When I bought it I had a good job and decent credit but could not get the 0-0-0 financing deal. Meanwhile people I met through Mitsu car clubs were working part time in retail and got the deal. After about a year the club fell apart as so many Lancers were predictably repo'd.

  • @dannylopez8285
    @dannylopez8285 Před rokem

    Finally!!!!!! Videos back❤❤❤❤

  • @tylerbossard6323
    @tylerbossard6323 Před rokem

    Hello. First time long time. Please do whatever you need to do to be able to put up images on the screen of all these different cars you're talking about in the podcast . Have a good day

  • @AppleSlipper
    @AppleSlipper Před rokem

    Yay, the video is back!

  • @thomaswestover2443
    @thomaswestover2443 Před rokem

    That Seinfeld impression was so spot on.

  • @Pete_Finch
    @Pete_Finch Před rokem

    "Hey, seems like we are absolutely CRUSHING it and everyone loves our cars. We have to change all of that immediately and in perpetuity." -Mitsubishi

  • @DM-MilkMan
    @DM-MilkMan Před 9 měsíci

    Whoa whoa, hold on.
    A Dethklok reference! Feck yeah!
    You know Toki Wartooth is a volvo bro too btw.

  • @masonmorrow9300
    @masonmorrow9300 Před rokem

    Yesssss videos back

  • @timdaly3478
    @timdaly3478 Před 9 měsíci

    Did not think I’d get there watching a show about Mitsubishi but I’m going back to knock out Seinfeld on Netflix now. Haven’t watched that since the 90’s

  • @vikas4685
    @vikas4685 Před rokem

    Wooohoo...video is back🥳

  • @josmith213
    @josmith213 Před rokem

    I really like there being video for Past Gas, only thing that would make it better is flash up an image here and there of the cars amd stuff you talk about

  • @prettzx
    @prettzx Před 9 měsíci

    as somebody who has owned a yellow lancer (2007 not 2003), and currently drives a 2014 lancer... they are fine cars, they look decent, they run fairly cheap, reliable, you can sometimes imagine its an EVO....... and in Australia they are easy to find Manuel cars in 2023... and that's something, but yeah..... you get them because they are cheap, and reliable/pretty good cars for the price. I do miss the days that Mitsubishi made more than 4x4s and minivans

  • @johnokland1652
    @johnokland1652 Před 11 měsíci +1

    One of papa Murphy's biggest markets is low income neighborhoods due to being technically "unprepared" food you can purchase it with food stamps meaning you can have a giant restaurant quality pie for 16 bucks off government assistance

  • @MichaelMitchell9969
    @MichaelMitchell9969 Před rokem

    ❤ Yes love the video!

  • @pier-lucgaranddion1527

    DEY TUK ER JURBBBS that reference sent me rolling

  • @OneOfTheLostOnes
    @OneOfTheLostOnes Před rokem

    FUCK YEAH!!!! VIDEO IS BACK! You guys rock!

  • @smac919
    @smac919 Před 7 měsíci

    A standard thin crust pepperoni pizza from Papa Murphy’s is actually fiiire.

  • @gamingwookie4248
    @gamingwookie4248 Před 9 měsíci

    19:20 is amazing

  • @stevemcdowell123
    @stevemcdowell123 Před rokem

    FINALLY BACK

  • @tylerfrechette7040
    @tylerfrechette7040 Před rokem

    this was great

  • @michelr.4592
    @michelr.4592 Před rokem

    Always been an evo fan. Was a mistake when I didn’t get the evo due to income. And now that I had a decent job ended up getting Outlander sport cause the evo was long gone. They are very budget friendly but slow. But if it’s just for daily life they aren’t bad. I haven’t gotten stuck on the snow due to awd which I seen trucks be stuck (I live in heavy snow area)

  • @TheBryBry420
    @TheBryBry420 Před rokem

    Please bring back the video versions please!!

  • @eurosonly
    @eurosonly Před 11 měsíci

    Corrwcruon: the fast and furious eclipse was not a 1995 eclipse. Look at the back up lights. They're in the bumper. The pre face lift had them on either side of the lisence plate. The movie car was from 1997-1999 time period.

  • @jledmist87
    @jledmist87 Před 11 měsíci

    Weird i got a mattress firm ad right as he said that

  • @deviantgaming9726
    @deviantgaming9726 Před rokem

    this one kind of hurts my feelings, in the car realm. i loved Mitsubishi. even the rebadged ones like the gen 1 avenger, the talon, and the stealth. the 3000 GT VR-4 was a rolling masterpiece of technology for its time.
    i may be one of the few guys who LOVED owning a gen 4 eclipse. i didn't even have the cool one lol. i owned a 2006 GS 5 speed. i actually plan to, eventually, get my hands on a gen 4 GT, possibly even a spider.
    but... i am happier driving a dodge journey than i ever would be in a "gen 5 eclipse" lol

  • @TheMitsuDude
    @TheMitsuDude Před rokem

    Another donut video where the 09+ Lancer Ralliart is slept on. Easily one of the most slept on/Best value tuner cars of the last 10 years. Can't complain too much though, the fact channels like this haven't talked about them has kept prices low. Which let me buy 3 for less than 25k, lol
    2009 with 97k miles, 10k$ 550whp build
    2009 with 130k miles, 8k$ 400whp build
    2014 with 60k miles, 4.5k$ tastefully molded stock, 230whp

  • @isaacwithrow7430
    @isaacwithrow7430 Před rokem

    LETSSSSSS GO A VIDEO

  • @sjc1778
    @sjc1778 Před rokem

    Yay!!!!! Video again!

  • @kevonbrown3330
    @kevonbrown3330 Před rokem

    I’m my area their is 06 Galant es for about 6k with 107k miles I’m new to modding but want to get into it should I cop it?