James McAvoy Addresses The 'Class Ceiling'
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- čas přidán 25. 05. 2016
- Actor James McAvoy talks about the preponderance of well-to-do English actors and the importance of and arts education for all children.
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Mad respect for James.
Yeah he's so nice as well, he stood out in the rain after his play to take pictures with his fans
+Anna Emiko I don't understand what's so unfomfortable about rain anyway. 😂 Oh is it a towney thing? That there's some chemicals in the rain? Lol sorry I felt sarcastic now, but I really don't find rain so bad.
+Anna Emiko James is love. :3
+olive twinflower apple well it was early spring so it was cold out and he wasn't ready to go home yet. He just went out cause he knew the fans were waiting so he wasn't in a jacket.
+Anna Emiko Oh that's cool... :o
James McAvoy just moved pretty high on my list of people I'd like to share a beer with.
And I don't like beer, so that's saying something.
+mysterychemistry Because he's so lovely that even that wouldn't feel bad. ;)
+mysterychemistry I've seen an interview where he says he does. But how does that matter in this?
+mysterychemistry come on he's Scottish, he would take alcohol in any form
mysterychemistry Well that's true. But you didn't need to take this that seriously, Antoine just said James is a good guy.
Internet, rule #1:
No matter what you say, somebody will find a way contradict you.
(yes, even if you say you'd like to share a beer with someone)
Props to the show and James for talking about this. I wasn't aware of the class ceiling but can certainly appreciate the concern surrounding it. I really like James' comment about arts being a vehicle for social mobility. He seems like an educated and well rounded individual. Respect!
I agree. He's talking about the arts programs systematically being budgeted out of public schools beyond college/University levels as well. Exactly what is happen here in the states.
I wasnt aware of the term, but being in a rural secondry school and seeing it first hand ive understood people who I grow up with will not leave this area and will grow up with very little change from their parents, economically speaking.
I'm planning on going to drama school in the London or Scotland ( the one where James went to) the problem is despite being British and European I live in SA so I'm classifed as an international student so I get charged double what UK and EU citizens pay whic is problematic because they're all expensive because our exchange rate is in the gutter and then there's also the cost of living. I'm doing law currently at a private insitute which is the most expensive place you can do it and basically one year a drama school is equivalent to 5 years here.
He’s talking about Tom Hiddleston (Eton), Eddie Redmayne (Eton), Benedict Cumberbatch (Harrow), Laurence Fox (Harrow), Damian Lewis (Eton), Dominic West (Eton), Hugh Laurie (Eton), Harry Lloyd (Eton).
He's from Glasgow. The class system in general is quite apparent there so he'll know more than most what a struggle it is if you don't come from a privileged family. If you are working class you are expected to get a steady job with a steady wage, and that's the be all and end all of it. The arts are seen as a waste of time, not becasue they aren't appreciated, but there's almost no way to support yourself. If you come from a rich family you can explore anything you want and never go hungry or homeless. I think everyone should be afforded that same privilege.
He makes the best case for arts education I've heard yet.
Yeah, that was amazing to listen to as the logical progression of thought developed.
Dale Greer Clear and rational points, made in an accessible, interesting, and human presentation:
- There is a class bias in the British acting community
- It is due to a lack of arts education in public education.
- Arts education is important because it allows students to see beyond their own immediate surroundings. It explains McAvoy's success.
Most arguments worth making are simple and straightforward. Watch and learn.
You captured my thoughts exactly. We need more ambassadors like James who are articulate and influential to speak about issues like this.
Yes I love such intelligent guy who is prone to social justice
It's the whole argument to why the arts 🎭 🎨 are important.
This guy has got class out the ass, much respect for speaking about this
spencecity99 he's just so damn eloquent too
saying he's got class 'out the ass' doesn't sound very classy... :D
I could literally listen to James McEvoy talk all day.
I was literally thinking the same thing. He seems like an intelligent thinker and he articulates his thoughts very well.
Aye my thoughts exactly.
Capraru???????
And yet you still don't know how to spell his name.
This guy just said the most insane shit in the most casual way possible.
Not insane at all, why do you say that?
I kinda have the same it feels ungenuine. Just correct
true
It is his opinion. He is asked about it. He is all-encompasing and wary of criticism. Very correct. Doesn't mean that what he says is untrue in any way.
Alright its not untrue but he doesnt mean it... so hes not behind it get it?
His ability to speak so articulately on a subject like the availability of art in education and then immediately (and flawlessly) transition into a joke about an English orgy without making everything he said come off as a joke is amazing.
What a great speech devoid of aggression!!!!! He has a great understanding of the issue and do not blindly blame the "rich kids", instead he is pointing out a way to remedy the situation for those less fortunate.
I agree. Most people would try and take away privilege from those who have it, but the real solution is to make it available to all.
The problem is the rich do not want to use their tax money to ensure the average and poor kid get arts education. They are told that it is a luxury and only the rich can afford it.
Another reason I respect McAvoy. Well spoken, sir.
People forget that 'learning to act', literally means what it says, it teaches people how to express themselves and how to understand other people's expressions; this is why it was the cornerstone of education until modern times; education generally consisted of learning to recite the classics.
James McAvoy - The Man
Wow. That was impressive. Being such a fun joking guy on all shows, and then suddenly this. This guy is real.
His Scottish accent is killing me
+MnR Zayna Disturbing? Sry not good with emojis.
I hope you mean that in a good way.
Wow , he's a very kind soul at heart...I'm
So happy he plays Charles Xavier.
Colbert is kind of lucky that James is so intelligent and could so eloquently explain "class ceiling"
this is so good! its true! I went to a state school in England and there was no drama or art available, so many people prioritised academics thinking it would be the only route to a stable life
Yep same here, I was interested in drama but we didn't have a proper drama teacher for most of the first three years of high school, it was basically a free period, the school just didn't take it seriously. When it finally came time to choose my GCSEs, it was like "hmm, do I choose drama, a subject I'm potentially interested in but with no way of knowing if I'll be any good at it, or do I choose an academic subject which I know I'm good at? Business studies and history it is, then..."
To be fair we had some good art teachers, and they did encourage some real creativity - we had a large gallery area which showcased students work. But for some reason the focus at our school was on humanities and sports. That was in the early 2000s anyway, I doubt the academies put much focus on art at all any more.
@@monkeymox2544 You are right. and its depressing
So smart. So eloquent...then that last comment had me howling! Seems like an amazing person all around!
And just when you thought you could not like James any more than you already do... Here he comes out with such a clear, to the point, uncontroversial argument for public education and the arts. Love you Jamesy!
good for stephen and james for taking the time to address such issue i wish to see more interviews like this
I love this man. And his beautiful brain
Jesus this man should be giving speeches at congress about the educational system. Everything he said was spot on
Starting out as an actor is very hard, with years of traveling to hundreds of auditions but only getting a few small parts and being very poor. I think a big part of the class ceiling is that those with rich parents can help support them financially during this time. Whilst those from poorer backgrounds can not afford to support themselves. Thus settle for a 'normal' job.
Very true, money does have importance with access to such facilities and equipment to get a decent career in the arts. A person struggling with money and acquiring all that will find it usually difficult to attain the same skills to another who has that more. Add to that a family who might not be able to support their career because the stigma that it doesn't make enough money to live, many people do not want to support the arts at schools. You can't be successful just with shear willpower, it does take some support, (mentally and physically), and that's why many give up. A rich kid has a lot more of that than someone growing up in the streets. We all can be creative, but only the few actually want to make a living out of it, and I think that's sad.
@@Qwistie_ but the kids don't have to become an actor.
The arts can teach kids how to be creative and think outside the box which, is important skill for most jobs.
I can listen to him talk FOREVER!
James McAvoy = The man that has an intelligent mind and discusses serious issues with ease, yet throws in a sexual joke whenever.
My kind of man.
Totally agree with James, I personally am not from the UK, but its also something that I feel should be made aware of in all places. I am very lucky to have grown up in a brilliant environment and sent to a decent international school where we were exposed to many forms of art. I took a liking to drama and acting, and I must say that it has helped me tremendously in terms of my social skills, massive respect for James to address this, a great actor to look up to for me.
I grew up going to public schools in the north of England and this is too true. The college I go to has just had its funding for performing arts and drama cut. It's so stupid there are so many people including myself who love those subjects even when we aren't persuing them as a career
Respect to james mcavoy for talking about what many have been saying in the USA. Shining a light on the importance of art programs in poorer school systems. people keep thinking art based programs are not a important to a developing child.
Gotta love colbert, i dont see kimmel or fallon touching this kind of topics with his guests
I wish people in America where this educated about social issues like this.
It's unfortunate, here in the states people don't even know what working class means. There's a real lack of class consciousness, which helps explain the lack of civic engagement.
LOL. Something outside of their borders? I don't think so.
We do, but it's always joked about in other fashions like standardized tests, and "the football team needs more funds"
X
that's ironic
he has a scholarship for students at the Conservotoire where he studied in Glasgow, completely agree with him, a lot of state schools can't offer drama for students because of lack of funding, I would love to see more kids from a variety of backgrounds getting the opportunity to go to drama school, acting in Britain. is very concentrated in London, and moving to London and trying to make a living can be difficult for those that aren't lucky enough to have a lot of money behind them
James put an important truth on the table in such a natural, easy to understand way with zero attitude. That's a gift unto itself - and made me see that point of view for the first time.
Isn't Benedict Cumberbatch one of these 'posh' actors ?
I think James is absolutely right about this. It sounds like a systemic effort to make art and artistic expression an exclusive club.
Yup, B.C. went to Harrow, one of the top three posh schools in the UK. He told a story on British radio once how the boys wore a very distinctive uniform and for years were expected to wear it all the time, even nipping down to town. But during his years at the school, that rule was lifted because the uniform made the little rich boys and easy target to get mugged...there was even a thing where if people saw a boy in the Harrow uniform at an ATM, they'd mark his dark jacket with chalk to signal that he'd just withdrawn some cash.
Benedict Cumberbatch, Eddie Redmayne, Josh Bowman, Henry Cavill, Damian Lewis, Tom Hiddleston etc. all went to the most elite schools in Britain, just to name a few off the top of my head.
And then the female actors too. They mostly come from the Cambridge footlights- Monthy Python, Stephen Fry, Sacha Baron Cohen etc.
Same with politics, sports(cricket, tennis and golf).
I think that’s why few people trust the media these days. Not just because of the narratives they spin, but also because of where most of them come from.
So far, that's the most intelligent thought that I've heard McAvoy said in an interview. Thanks for the brief "education" there, James (and Stephen). [Just in case you read this comment.]
james is really intelligent. and well articulated.
oh, dear. I can't believe I can fall in love with him again. but after watching this, his words...just made me proud of being his fan
I'm glad he spoke about this. Such a good speaker god he's so charming
I've only just seen James talk about this but I don't think I've agreed so much with anything. I live around 30 minutes drive away from where James is from so I totally totally understand everything he's saying, I'd always thought about this but never knew it had a name. As a working class girl in Scotland I always thought there would be no benefit in pursuing acting because of where I came from and how little actors come out of these areas - especially female actors. Which is why I'm so glad to see someone like me up there on a global platform talking about it. Cheers James, who knows maybe one day I can do the same lol
Such a bright man. "See beyond their limitations"
so true for so many countries
Makes me wonder why many state governments control promotion of the arts. Perhaps it's to suppress human instincts and passion that can make the poor majority rebel against the status quo and cause chaos at the expense of the elite and powerful few.
这段访谈一美真的讲的非常好。逻辑严谨条例顺畅，富有想法，表达清晰，深入浅出，容易理解，很有共鸣。而且听说他还在母校设立奖学金，扶助工人阶级的孩子接受艺术教育。虽然是因为他的高颜值喜欢上他，但越看他的视频越发现他真的很有智慧，有理想，令人尊重。让人深深的为他着迷。
God I adore this man
I became a nurse but I am now training to become a scientist but I am part of a acting group as it teaches me how to process my emotions so I can do my job better as I have a mood disorder.
The arts is so important.
For creativity, expression and mood regulation.
I am also, working class British but I moved to Australia when I was 14 years old, it was the first school I had been to that offered drama and it was a compulsory subject.
I loved it as I felt I could control my emotions for the first time.
Such a shame it was never offered to me in the UK.
Same thing can be said for this country. Solid point he made.
There are many reasons why this man is dearly and loyally beloved by his fans. He is talented,hard working,handsome and most of all,a true artist and humanitarian,an incredible soul.
hey,i'm french ! can you explain the vidéo please :( what is a subject ?
@@sarahcoraline9833 Hello! He speaks about the way people think about the arts (and especially theater in the UK)nowadays as a part of an elite system. Many people think that theater seems to be quite elitist and not inclusive to all classes. His view is that arts are deglected in public education and that is why most actors etc come from private schools and make it seem like an elitist...sport.
He thinks that arts are an essential part of human education and even if you are not going to be a professional artist,at least you have to be exposed to art. "Class ceiling" is a wordplay from "glass ceiling" a phrase often used to describe injust situations...
well-spoken, too? damn, is there something he can't do?
Art in school helps with math and science. Our minds must be opened to understand anything and everything. Help our children to excel by letting them understand the arts!
I love him. Mad respect to everything he said.
James isn't your average actor; he says what he wants, stands by his points, bases his understanding in researched facts or personal experiences and remains polite to the marginality. I respect someone who has the strength to be open in our modern world where everyone takes offence, especially when it is on a topic meant to raise awareness on the flaws of society or politics and so on. To share the valuable life lessons he reaped from such experiences, we are much more inclined to follow our interests and live a much more fulfilling life than become zombies. Who cares about the risk of money or failure when the alternative wastes our potential and condemns us to boredom and misery. You can only succeed if you try.
There's a great message here - we need to give new generations a real opportunity to contribute to the arts.
The point about exposure to the arts helping people see beyond their current limitations or situation is a great insight.
That was a great speech - would have liked to actually hear Stephen's response, and a conversation about it...
This guy gets it.
god. every now and then i come back to the james mcavoy interviews just 'cause i love him, but sometimes you forget the profound truth bombs he sometimes drops. mad respect.
It's a big problem in England, not just in the acting business. Imagine places like phillips exeter an phillips academy but 1000x MORE elitist. Not only that, but there are a lot of them and fewer top quality colleges, meaning every elite college is disproportionately filled with people who basically still think of themselves as nobility. You think the rich and powerful are overrepresented in the Ivy League schools? It's way worse at Oxford and Cambridge. And it's a lot of pressure on the kids, too. I grew up in a Posh family and felt like my family would disown me if I didn't go to Balliol.
Yeah agree 100%, ive been to posh schools and public ones, it really does show that in the posh schools, the kids from the elite family just lay back and they know their life is sorted because of all the opportunities theyll get. Working class kids have to work much much harder to get these same opportunities, it definitely is a problem in most career paths.
It's not like it's impossible to move up. I come from a poor family, first to go to university, get a scholarship, and get a training contract with a prestigious law firm. As long as you have the brains, there's no limit to what you can achieve. You seem to conveniently overlook the success stories. Which overwhelmingly make up the majority.
The fact is there is nothing stopping someone with the potential to rise to the top. And that's about right to me.
+TehDMBfan I'm gonna guess you're male, white, or both.
What if you can't go to uni because your family rely on your income?
Fluffy Butt What does getting good grades and going to university have to do with your gender or race? Nothing is the answer. They accept you if you have the grades.
His performance in filth was wicked!
+Bad Santa I read the book after seeing to movie and what really made me love the movie was the actors preformences. There's obviously not as many details in the movie and the worm isn't really there but the movie really is great
Bad Santa yeah I've heard that from some other people. I how ever have only read filth, I'm not much of a reader but I had to read a book for school and filth is my favorite movie plus I was interested in the book so I read that. But I how ever really loved to book so I think I'll read some of the other
Anna Emiko
If you read/watched and enjoyed _Filth_ then I would urge you to read/watch _Trainspotting._ It is a fantastic book and the film is probably the greatest of the 90s.
Btw I realise your comment is two years old so you’ve probably already done both, but what the hey. 😂
I will forever respect this man for bringing light to the class ceiling
A good example of the "class ceiling" is Game of thrones with exception to a few (Maisie Williams, Rory Mccan, Alfie Allen etc) majority of the leading and supporting actors are from private schools... Rose leslie grew up in a CASTLE in Aberdeen her family is a noble family and her father is the Chieftain of Clan leslie. I'm sure there are there are other shows that mainly cast actors from wealthier schools
Rose Leslie's real accent blew my mind when I first heard it. I mean, there's posh, and there's POSH. She seems lovely, but ridiculously privileged..
+Mr Wednesday I know I was surprised also, I was expecting a Scottish accent, the interesting thing about Rose Leslie is she got that accent in Paris... Her mother got sick of living in the castle (ha!) because the weather in Aberdeen is awful so she and her mother moved to Paris for 3 years and she attended an English school... Her accent gives Prince Harry a run for his money lol
I think you should look at what school Alfie Allen attended. Privileged AF.
That's incorrect. Alfie Allen went to private school and his dad's a famous actor. Something has to change. Its not right having the majority of actors come from privileged backgrounds.
Just for reference to our american friends. A year at eton will cost £75,000-£90,000. That's $100,000-$120,000 for just 1 year at school. They usually do 10 years there i think. So that's 1 million dollars to educate your child before they even go to oxford or cambridge. That's how elite these schools are and why people think it's a problem. Personally i like those actors and think they're all really talented. But you can understand why it might upset people.
he's very handsome and smaaaart 😍😍😍 I can picture him, Fassbender, Cumberbatch and Hiddles having beer together ❤❤❤
OMG yes. Those four together, just imagine the craziness they would cause! :D
Dude, NOOO!!! Do you want every women in the world to have their ovaries blow up at the same time?
lmao
I wish I were a tenth as eloquent as this. Absolutely amazing
Enlightening James brought tears to my eyes.
I agree! This applies to all types of education!
he grew up in the same street as me
some really good points made! art is important! it's not about whether not everyone loving art fanatically... it's not about whether everyone wanting to become or being physically involved in art and promoting art.. it's about being informed about art and being exposed to it. Art can increase the quality of life and expand someone's point of view. 110% agree with James McAvoy. There are so many schools that undermine the value of art and keep cutting funding on it because it's 'not as important'. Just as someone needs to do math, science, or english... they need art too!
I was pretty ambivalent regarding James McAvoy, but damn, now I get it.
He's such a good man at heart.
used to be my long time crush when I was small and didnt even knew his name:))
For me, it is very surprising to see that social classes can be divided by accents even today in England. BTW, James is so handsome and I love his Scottish accent.
He just summed up the problems in a really clear, insightful way and then had to liven things up with an orgy joke at the end to keep it interesting. Love it.
Sad we have that here in America too. Keep on fighting the good fight James! Keep on fighting the good fight, and win for us all.
I didn't know who he was until yesterday (today actually. yesterday I saw Xmen first class but I thought he was the boy from everwood) but I'm completely sold on this guy just having watched these two minutes. I was genuinely listening to what he had to say with my serious face on, and then he ended the speech with an effortless orgy joke . You're quite something McAvoy, I would rate that trick level Ian McKellen.
Loving James. Just brilliant.
love him!! he's so smart!!!
i could listen to him all day.
MAD respect, as has already been commented. I agree wholeheartedly with his assessment. What a great guy!
That Scottish charm can hold any conversation....
Arts if it is music included. It seems here the cut backs in High Schools always cut Music over sports.
Sports over music any day bro, fuck music.
fuck your sports
Maureen McLean For my school personally it's Art and Drama, but I think they only prioritise music over the other two is because they spend so much on about 12 Mac computers.
This guy is still my favorite, that intelligence, that modesty
Thank God big respect to this actor
Is that Stewart or McAvoy? These timelines are so confusing.
oh. my. god. I'm dying. 😂❤❤
"Fuck, you're old"
Now I see why he's the young Prof X.
people forget that james is from a council estate and he gets it , he is proper amazing and he handle this question well.
I second that, James. 👏👏
Hey James, can i share a story with you? One day I was driving home, when all of a sudden the Lord came to me in spirit. I felt very close to Him. I knew if I asked him to play any song on the radio he would, I guess to bless my faith.
So I said "ok, Lord play "Come as you are by Nirvana".
I turned on the radio and the song started playing right there on the spot, perfectly…
I started getting flooded with chills like a waterfall, crying, and trembling.
He stayed with me for 10 minutes in my driveway. until I got outta the car.
A couple months after that I started getting amazing prayers answered way more often, because it helped me quit doubting when I pray and I was lined up with biblical instructions. It's 6 years later and I still get answered prayers in Jesus name.
He's as smart as he is handsome & sexy!!!
Well said my fav actor!
Loved what he said! Let's be honest, creativity is used in each and every field.
It's way more than education though. It's the freedom to study what you want because you don't need a job to survive. The freedom to wait around until you're hired. The financial resources to audition all over the world.
Then of course the advantage to having access to all the greats of the industry to promote yourself. Lastly the undue influence of family.
So much yes!
A fantastic description of the class ceiling.
100% agree! My public school was pretty big and yet we had no drama class, if you wanted to do choir, it was once a week during lunch and they held a play once every four years and they were rubbish because they were never prepared and yet there used to be 10+ sports teams and everyone took a 2 hour PE class every week.
Kathy Brennan I recommend auditioning for the National Youth Theatre if you're interested in drama. It's this thing they do where you come in, do a monologue, and if you're successful, you get enrolled in the acting courses you do in the summer. these courses allow you to act in their productions and gain experience.
I've always liked James but this clip made me appreciate him so much more!
LOVE THIS MAN!
Smart, beautiful and sensitive... What else James? I' thinking dirty right now....
that entire clip could be made into an inspirational poster. lol
YES JAMES YES
Oh my, he's brilliant and gorgeous!
Love his accent 😍❤💋
love what he said...