The Cost of Being Whim-Prone | Our Flag Means Death 2x07 reaction
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I think when Ed said that ‘how about we avoid all near death situations ‘he secretly wished that both of them would give up pirating and open that inn🥺
I have been thinking that what happened with Ned Low was the final nail in Ed's "I really don't want to be a pirate anymore" coffin. Like he was unhappy with it before he met Stede, and maybe he thought that with Stede back he might find some joy in it again, but with how desperate he was to protect Stede, and how much he didn't want to see Stede traumatized like he was by killing, it made him realize that pirating with Stede would just be a life of fearing having to see Stede hurt or killed.
The fact that the parallels have been so strong this season that you’re able to preemptively dread Ed leaving for just as justified and panicked reasons as Stede did last season.
When they introduced additional love interests for both Jim and Oluwande I was HOPING that they would go with the show’s precedent of polyamorous open relationships and was very pleased with the continued vibes of Jim Archie and Olu just constantly together on the ship and then conspiring for Zheng to join in and share. It HAS been vague but I don’t need strict confirmation as long as I don’t get hard denial.
Also Fang and Roach missing all the action because they took a self-care day together is easily my favorite post-credits scene by far.
“Him and Ed are metaphorically intertwined like that. The better Ed gets the better Izzy gets.” Damn that’s a good observation, like woah.
"they're so cute! Stop it!" And then they did 💀
Interesting context for the clocks! In Chinese culture, you do not gift someone a clock as it signifies sending someone to their death. Essentially, the writers made this the origin story!
I was so excited to see the dynamics between Olu and Jim with Zheng and Archie. Unfortunately, it seems like many fans of the show are displeased with it, especially on Reddit where the consensus is that these "Extra" relationships and polyam ambiguity are "a waste of screen time". I couldn't disagree more though; all of these scenes between them made my heart ache
I was somewhat irritated by the dynamic, not because it was polyamorous, but because it looked more to me like Olu was so invested in Jim all of last season and then seemed to cool off pretty suddenly, while Jim pushing Olu back towards Zheng felt to me like they (Jim) were actually more interested in Archie and getting those two together was an easy way for them (Jim) to get out of their situation with Olu more smoothly. If it is intended to be polyamorous, I‘m not seeing the necessary emotional investment by those involved this season. I‘m not sure how much of any of this Archie even gets, I think she‘s just happy to be boinking with Jim.
EDIT: I accidentally fudged some pronouns, but a commenter kindly pointed it out to me, so I went back and fixed it.
@@hannahg.8572Jim's pronouns are they/them, not she/her
@@hannahg.8572 For me, I wasn't irritated, I just couldn't see it. Like, I'm not calling out the idea of a poly relationship being bad. It's looked like it wasn't there, at all, but was assumed in a different perspective. Like you said, the relationship focused more on Oluwande and Jim in season 1. And then season 2 came with Archie coming in the picture out of nowhere, and I'm still wondering how she even got on the boat in the first place. And despite of that kiss and other "details" Jim mentioned, it felt less of a romantic relationship and more of a fling, like a friends-with-benefits moment. Not to mention, even though I love her, Zheng basically brings herself out to Oluwande, making it obvious how much she wants to be with a guy she doesn't know as much as Jim. Although, good to know she has good taste as Oluwande is a sweetheart. So, yeah, I agree. In comparison to Ed and Stede's relationship, as well Black Pete and Lucius' engagement, there is no emotional development between the four that could make a poly relationship happen. Nor were there any conversations for them to talk and express on the idea of being a poly. And as you also mentioned, it does look like Jim is pushing for Oluwande to be with Zheng, making it seem like what they were doing last season, and what they could have developed together went out into the water and just stick with being friends alone. Making only pairs of Jim with Archie, and Oluwande with Zheng. Even that moment with Izzy singing and the three holding each other in a dance had me see them more like friends, holding on to each other for fun, especially when I know that can be done between friends.
Yeah. So, whether or not the poly idea is intentional, I personally don't think it was well explained or well executed. It acted like it was slapped on to the show without any development, just letting it be done to satisfy the audience, especially those who claim themselves as poly. I love the characters, truly, but to me, personally, there's only flings and friendships involving the four.
I was digging the poly too, but then episode 7. Olu went from missing Jim so bad he couldn't keep sleeping in their bedroom to being fine leaving them to be with Zheng who he barely knows. So Olu and Jim just lost interest in each other romantically after they were separated... which is a let down if you shipped them. As for the waste of screen time, yeah, I think they had a hell of a time balancing out the ensemble cast with how little run time they had this season. The problem is that the shifting dynamics between those 4 need MORE screen time and development to be compelling. There's so much else happening that the newly introduced relationships seem pointless.
Also, Zheng and Olu's relationship is threatening to further break up the found family dynamic people loved about season 1 (on top of several characters being written out) so I wouldn't be surprised if that sours things more for fans. Even if it looks like ep 8 could fix it.
For me it's definitely less about them having other partners than it is what appears to be a complete lack of romantic relationship at all anymore? They were built up so much last season and we never really got any explanation as to why they didn't go back to that when they reunited? I was kind of assuming (and excited about) an Olu/Archie/Jim throuple, but when Olu was ready to just leave, and Archie said Jim and Olu were "family who fucked" (with fucked being past tense, making it seem like Jim and Olu have gone back to a platonic relationship), that is what upset me. I feel like they built up so much love between Jim and Olu in the last season, and they just kind of dropped it and gave them both new partners who are great, but who they've not got nearly as deep of a connection with yet.
As soon as I saw those stupid clocks, yes! I yelled "Trojan Clock!" and baffled my neighbours. But I also just *can't* deal with how far Stede and Izzy have come in their relationship! ArE tHeY fRieNds nOw excuuuuuse me and the sheer SASS of our darling Izzy stealing every scene! "Docked?!" Con's character Val from 2014's 'Uncle' would be living for it. Anyway, I'm just going to go back and comfort myself with re-watching his La Vie En Rose for the millionth time, 'scuse me, I'll be back in a queer minute.
To me, this was more painful than episode 9 from the first season. I understand that stories need conflict (usually), and it makes sense for Stede's and Ed's character arcs, whatever. But can't I have 5 uninterrupted minutes of joy in my queer, escapist fantasy? (Looking at you too, Good Omens.) Let me tell you, these gays, they're trying to murder me. 😣
Right?!? After that GO finale I just need for Ed and Stede’s relationship to GO MY FUCKING WAY THIS TIME!!!!
Yeahhh I'm honestly I'm a bit annoyed by the miscommunication tropes, but whatever. There's five million straight ships out there that have constant will they won't they, might as well have it with gay ships as well 😮💨
@@kellifranklin9872 Yeah, the Good Omens finale was devastating. When I watched it, I immediately created a headcanon where they were both happy about being in love, and decided to be together no matter what; and I don't care, that's the real version to me until next season. Our Flag Means Death still has the last episode to fix this mess, but I don't have much hope, because these shows do love their drama, and their cliffhangers. 😒
@@gilly_axolotl Yeah, I guess it IS miscommunication. No wonder this didn't sit right with me, I fucking hate this trope in any kind of story, straight or queer. Ugh.
This episode was just.... I don't think I can survive the wait till the finale next week.
I went from hating Izzy last season to being such an Izzy stan now! Love him! After that devastating GO season finale I’m going to be traumatized if they leave Ed and Stede on a cliffhanger AGAIN!
How dare they give us this cliff hanger
3:55 be gay, do crime 😂😂😂
the only good thing I can say at this point, DJ said (not verbatim) "if we don't get a 3rd season, I think we left it at a good point (for them)" so I don't think we're gonna get quite such a bad cliffhanger as S1 again.
But other than that...I KNEW, I KNEW we'd get there eventually, all the angst and the drama...how are they gonna pack most of the resolve into one 25 minute episode next week? and also...it'll be over next week and then WHAT?!
Also I'm Izzy stan #1 now
Cheers and see you next week for the utter destruction of our souls x
this episode straight up hit me in the good omens sadness place…ah I can’t even word properly. i’m just praying this doesn’t end the same 😅 love your reaction as always. love ya ❤
They did say that Ricky boy wanted a clock on every allied pirate ship... So... Yeah, I called it too.
I made the mistake of watching 2.6 and about the first 2/3 of 2.7 before work Thursday and was so sad, I hopped on Tumblr and asked for reassurance that I'd feel better once I finished the episode, and there were CRICKETS.
The leaving scene in season 1 was painful and dramatic. This season's parallel was the kind of miscommunication, hurt feelings, and "oh honey NO" moments that underpin many (if not most) breakups, including ones I've been through. And I'm convinced that Stede picking a fight with Zheng Yi Sao that he cannot possibly win is self-harm no less than anything Ed did in episodes 2.1 and 2.2
Predictions:
So, from the trailer and teaser, the scenes we haven't seen are those fighting the navy in the jungle and on the beach and ed emerging in leathers from the ocean. So big battle and ed fishing up his leathers to come to the rescue. (Saw someone else say this and I agree) perhaps prompted by finding onenor more of Stede's letters in a bottles.
I think that l, if pirate queen is still alive she, and either way the whole republic of pirates, including Swede and Spanish Jackie and husband co. will come together to fight for pirate rights.
The fastest I ever came here! You might need The Wife to get yourself centered for the last episode
As soon as ed started talking abiut going fishing i was shouting "Youre whim prone!!!!!" He isnt running away from stede, hes running away from piracy, and lets be honest, the revenge wasnt really much of a pirate ship under stede. Theyre both overleaning into a new "whim". I just hope they correct back towards eachother 😢
I really need the episode 8 to be out, like right now...
OK, so I read this in the comments of another reaction video and I am manifesting them into bloody being (one probably more than the other)
Ed will be working on a small fishing boat in the next episode, yes?
So, A (Britney you'll like this one): He catches his own leathers.
And/Or B (If I had to choose between the two, sorry Britney it'd have to be this one) this one was one apparantly the person had seen as a suggestion on Tumblr: He catches some, if not all of the bottles containing the love letters Stede wrote him.
I'm gonna add some things to this one. It would be good if they're different to the ones we hear in episode 1 just to signify the number he'd written. Also (this must happen), a voiceover of Stede, just like in the episode he writes them. Last of all if we get both, that both things, bottles AND leathers are caught in the same fishing net because the symbolism would make me cry lol.
Keep your fingers crossed everybody. I am counting down the days until the final episode lol. 🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞🤞
They only call each other “friend” in front of strangers. Think they’re trying not to out each other.
Yeah, I came here to say exactly this. They live on a safe space ship, but there's still homophobia in the world
I literally vibed so hard with the insular world of their crew that for a second I forgot homophobia existed 💀
@@GaywatchI legit thought it didn’t exist in the show 🤣
This episode undid all the healing this past season did for the wound Good Omens S2 gave. But still, saw it coming,
watching you watch this show is like looking in a vocal mirror and i so wsh we were real life friends
You know you have the gift of prophecy. Stop saying that shit!! You’re definitely one of the Sibyls this time - they told their prophecies when the were in a state of emotional frenzy… you seeing it? Because I am!!
But seriously, the best reaction! 💜🌈🏴☠️
and once again, this show parallels Stranger Things, this time in reminding us that when a clock chimes, YOU F*CKING RUN.
I've been loving all of the parallels this season, except the one where the penultimate episode makes me want to slap the hell out of Stede and this time it was much more his fault!
The paper-azzy joke got me so good, I wasn't prepared for it at all, but it was overshadowed by everything else that happened 😅
I have a feeling that Ed is gonna fish his leathers out next episode and take it as a sign and someone on Tumblr suggested that he'd find one of Stede's letters and that would make him realize he wants to go back 😭😭😭
I don't know what to do with myself until the finale comes out 😅💜🏳️🌈🏴☠️
It’s apparently considered very rude in Chinese culture to give a clock as a present, kind of a “your time is running out” kind of vibe, also a pun based on spelling/pronunciation but I don’t speak any Chinese
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I wonder if them being big grandfather clocks was meant to be foreshadowing: a pendulum clock like that is absolutely useless on a boat, the ship rocking messes up the swing. Only would've kept time in the calm of the harbour.
(Clocks were a really, really important part of the age of sail)
Of course this is Our Flag Means Death so it might just have been throwing out accuracy for style.
it's so weird... i got into this show around the same time you did. the new season... just felt so short... and if it all ends next week and we get no s3... What Will I Do
Really, Zheng Yi Sao (this actually means Zheng Yi's wife, but the show is going with it as her name, so okay) should have known to check that. The most unbelievable thing is that she wouldn't have checked that.
Something's occured to me. No member of the crew was on The Revenge when the ships were being destroyed, the writers made sure to tell us that with the bonus scene.
The Revenge is gone, collateral damage next to all of Zheng's ships. Stede's got no ship to be Captain of and it could be months if not YEARS before another one is built.
Maybe this is what Stede and Ed needed. A clean slate, neither of them Captain's, neither with a ship, EQUALS. Maybe they will become Innkeepers after all (although where they'd get the money to get one/build one with the ship gone, I don't know! Lol.
i think izzy had a fun night himself, so many options
I am going to live in deep anxiety for the next week. Lots of antagonists going down quick this season, I don’t get it.
Omg they throw so much garbage to the sea.
Only part I grasped was Izzy putting his hand on Stede's thigh
Too bad Ed didn't get to try on that red jacket.
Overall (apart from Ned, and Jackie in season 1 - but that was her husband and it didn't seem that a whole lot of time had past) the pirate community seems content to move on and not hold grudges for extended periods.
You called it about the clock. I wonder if there was a clock on every ship? Including the Revenge?
No, the Revenge didn't ally with Zheng Yi Sao. Stede basically stole the Revenge from her. And even when this wasn't clear earlier, it became pretty obvious when Stede confronted her at Jackie's.
rip Steaky
how are you so good at calling things?