Thom Yorke, Why You Can't Sing Anything.. - Singing
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Never stop analyzing Thom Yorke. This man's genius must be thoroughly documented.
Not his singing style. We need this!
1 million %
The funny thing is that I consider radiohead to be my favourite group ever but I always considered the songwriting the main reason for that. I actually never thought about how important his voice is to give their songs that feeling
yeah his singing as a huge part of this bands success
Same here. To be honest, I always thought Thom’s voice was a little grating at times but ultimately that’s why I find it so enchanting and raw and relatable. He’s my absolute favorite :)
Il Cavaliere Oscusa ...I feel ya but I always considered Thom's voice to be like another instrument in their music! Not to sound like one of those guys but I've been listening since Pablo Honey and I've been a huge fan of his voice, ever since I heard "Stop Whispering", for the very first time!
Soqquadro yea I was embarrassed to play it around my friends because of Thomas vocals tbh. They’re a bit out there. I didn’t really notice how great they were until I showed my girlfriend radiohead. They’ve been my favorite group since i can remember
The beautiful thing is that he’s just singing. How much he is compressing is most likely not consciously running through his head. He just hears what he wants to sound like in his head, and he does it. Some would say connected or on it. It’s a wonderful feeling.
I'd love to sound like Thom Yorke.
He just has a unique voice.
true true true
Yeah
It’s painful.
I think you need to stop talking about Thom Yorke. You're looking more like Thom with every video. Eventually you will become Thom, and then we'll have two Thoms... and we can't have that.
Lol'z
I just recently came across a music theory video on why the guitar-playing/songwriting of Radiohead is utterly amazing and gorgeous, with such character that it appears as though Radiohead may intentionally be fronting complexity to throw people off or veil the truth. As a guitarist, it blew my mind. Carl Wehden, dude...holy moly I had no idea how technical Yorke is. Every aspect of the damn band is about knowing your theory and doing what's right for the atmosphere and context. Bravo and thank you for this!
I could listen to you talking about thom yorke for ages.
Justin Bellavia really ha! I'm a big fan of his can't say enough good things about his approach to art it's awesome!
Yes absolutely. We don't come across a singer like this very often. I've always been such a big fan as well but was never really able to put it into words why. You explained it so good! My favorite vocal performance from thom yorke is the song "Nude". His falsetto is so good in that and I'm always amazed how much he nails it live every time!
My favourite vocal performances by Thom are Let Down and Rabbit in Your Headlights, no one builds tension and then unleashes it at the crescendo of the song like him, the growling cries at the end of Rabbit In Your Headlights are so haunting and embodying of a real emotion, genius.
Please do more of Thom Yorke analysis - infinitely fascinating!
Subscribed to learn how to appreciate Thom Yorke more. I love this artist and you are teaching my ear to love him even more. THANK YOU VERY VERY MUCH... always room for Yorke
Love geeking out with you over all the nuances of Thom Yorke's singing. The genius of Thom Yorke is his mastery of tension/release throughout his music both vocally and musically.
Fantastic work with this video, Carl! I've learned more about singing in this video than I have in my entire life! Gotta love Thom
sweet dude yeah stuff like this can open peoples eyes to the reality of singing
9:38 I'm actually hearing some Neil Young's tones
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Awesome stuffs ! Thank you for explaining this stuffs and i really love Thom Yorke.
This explains a lot why i’m so in love with his voice
Thank you for uploading this !
You just got a new subscriber, I'm diving in your channel right now. I love the Thom Yorke series.
Please keep going!.
so weird he looks like snoop dogg imitating thom yorke or the reverse ;-)
Hey man I wonder if you could make a video on Father John Misty, and how he sings and kinda ‘growls’ in songs like Pure Comedy in the second half, or Ideal Husband, I like your videos a lot man keep it up
4K subs!! Completely and well deserved. I think a big contributing factor to this is the new, more professional style videos you're putting out! This is one of my favourite live Radiohead performances, glad you've covered it.
No one can ever get close to Thoms voice. He's one of a kind.
yeah that's his thing, a new singer has to do their own thing.
And now I find you've covered my favourite live performance! Thank you!
What song is this please?
Man, I so wish i had had you as a coach when I first started singing. So simple, yet so complex. LISTEN TO THIS MAN!
I've just watched him two days ago in Brazil and I can say his voice is even more impressive alive!!!
do jeff buckley please!
Ahhh awesome! Thanks so much man! All the best!
He can send chills down your spine, and to me, no one sounds like him. He has done a lot outside of Radiohead.
I was just listening to Radiohead when this was uploaded, great timing :)
Same
That's very helpful. Thanks
no worries
This little man has hounding voice.No one sings like him.
Yes....awesome. Yorke's generally normal register and controlled smoothness up in this range is his bread and butter, awesome to have a video on it! Would you say in singing in general, is there any sort of "aiming" like out and through the front teeth? If I picture my voice at my bottom teeth and sing out from there while still thinking about clarity it seems I'm pulling up or dull or boxy sounding, despite having cord closure, but aiming out at the front teeth, seems to produce more clarity, but I'm worried that's not natural? If I stay lower in placement it seems more natural but I don't retain the same clarity and there's a fuller tone to it as well...My struggle for the last 5 years has been vocal placement/proper aiming...
many things like imagery and visualizing can help prod you in the right direction and towards the right coordination but in the long term no, no aiming, no nothing like that. I don't really do anything other than the squeeze I'm covering in the video and breathing out, everything else, the articulation and the head / chest balance I just let all of that happen on it's own.
Very much appreciate the reply, that's what I needed to know! Probably getting a lesson with ya soon, thank you!
^Rubbish. Aiming at the front teeth is good for higher stuff imo, and the higher I go I end up 'aiming' the sound directly upwards out the top of my head, if that makes sense. Whereas aiming lower, like bottom teeth, for lower pitch has a more rounded rich tone, like you're saying. I think you're on the money OP. I believe this imaginary stuff is just affecting the soft palate, to suit it better to different pitches.
Also, this squeeze he mentions in the video reminds me of vocal fry screaming technique.
Spot on, here. All singers must figure out that compression. Once you figure that out the rest is just finding your nuances, tones, and style choices. You’re also right that a lot of vocal coaches don’t talk about using “compression”, especially in a way that helps transition from different ranges without cracking or sounding strained. I actually spent years studying Thom’s Style. It helped me tremendously in strengthening those even compression skills. I will say this, though, for my favorite singer (and band) Mr. Yorke, his natural voice is a bit lower than what he’s portrayed since The Bends. He went from really idolizing Jim Morrison to Neil Young, so he moved his voice into his throat more to lighten his tone. This adds strain. He pulled it off for a couple decades, but you can tell it’s starting to catch up to him. His live performances are getting worse. He’s even dropped his tone back down a bit to accommodate. This can be heard really well in his acoustic version of Bloom at that solo Paris gig he did for climate change (I believe that was it).
One of the last things I figured out was tonal range. It’s something else many people overlook. What is your tonal range? I had a friend who is a clear baritone, but everything he would try to sing was in a tenor range. Once he figured this out his task was easier. For a seasoned singer this means nothing. You can adjust for different ranges, but for the singer just starting out, I’d figure out what tonal range you’re in, and start there. Master yours, then you can move through the different ranges like a pro. I think you’re giving solid advice, homie, simplified and to the bits that matter.
great comment, many thanks dude you obviously know what you're talking about. I think he's probably not singing and exercising his voice enough to maintain consistency his type of singing require some consistent maintenance work to keep up with as you get older. Yeah I'm naturally a light baritone so some singers match me better than others, I think Thom is similar a mid range male voice.
Carl Wehden, I think upkeep definitely has a lot to do with it. For someone with such a pronounced voice he’s tended to be pretty lax about it over the years. I can imagine you get burnt out. I know I go through stints where I get lazy and don’t open my voice up for a while. It never goes completely, but when I do that I notice it’s always tight when I do decide to strap the vocal sneakers back on and take them for a good run. Do you think that doing that long term, ie into my older years, I will eventually lose some of it, or do you think it’s like dusting off the cobwebs? Stretch and go. ...I know Robert Plant can’t hit those notes he used to, but I don’t know his story, either.
fantastic carl
Why is it that he sounds more like an oboe or a flute and you sound more like a trumpet? Is it a natural thing or something about the technique? Or is it about the range?
Great video!
Somebody please tell me the name of the song played in the background intro from 0:10-0:17 😭
Great point on compression! I hear it so much now that it’s apparent in so many great singers. Mercury plant cornell. They all do it bro. Great insight.
Damn you can really hit his hauntimg notes spot on, not an easy feat i'd say. Well done mate
Thom is such a special singer and Carl your singing voice sounds great on this vid :)
cheers Rachel, I have more coming next week!
I'd love to see a breakdown of the performance of Nude from the Jonathan Ross show. I think that it's absolute perfection and peak Yorke
Great video and channel, I am learning a lot even if I am more of a fan of punk (like Ian Curtis) singing. Never been into Thom Yorke's singing style, it always sounded too thin and whiny to me, but lately I started to appreciate it a bit more especially after your breakdowns. Still not a big fan of his voice, but I do appreciate his technique.
Would love to see a video on Liam Gallagher. It amazes me that someone who has been lobotomised could sing so well.
Dude u are awesome. You analyzed Thom's voice so good and in a great depth. I think you should do a video about Jeff buckley's voice . Cheers ❤️
Would love to, I don't really have the voice for him sadly, he's set a bit higher than me so it doesn't match up as well as other singers out there.
Wow amazing parallel! Crazy part is that I immediately thought Tim Buckley, probably due to my mother's influence. Give "Sweet Surrender" by Tim Buckley a listen (if you haven't already ;) )
That was a beautiful ending. I accept the challenge.
Another artist that "can't sing" in many people's eyes (or ears) is Conor Obersts (Bright Eyes, Desaparecidos), yet a lot of people want to listen to him.
yep and he's a great singer, this is the thing people are missing it's more about execution than how high or how powerful..
Indeed, indeed. I am all about execution and feeling over "proper technique", or how powerful you can sing. I want that something that makes me interested in listening. Conor's old room mate "son, ambulance" even manages to sound off-key here and there, yet I'm in love with his voice.
The same goes for the music too, I don't mind if it's odd as long as it interests me :)
Hi, I don't know whether you've already read my comment or not, but I really'd like your insight into my query:
How'd Thom Yorke learn to sing?
How is a vocal course different from a singing course, if they are so.
What online vocal course do you think is the best to get into Thom Yorke style of singing? Is Thom Yorke style of singing rock? (I can't have singing lessons IRL cause' they aren't accessible to where I live.)
I'm considering Justin Stoney's Vocal Course.
Unfortunately, I bought KT's VC and, personally I hate him. I can't comment on his methodoly of teaching because I know nothing but in one of his lessons he wants us to sing in a brighter tone by widening our mouths. The reason I say its bad because, referring from a NYVC video, it doesn't help us to sing from interally. Sound, w/ all its manifestations should come from inside.
This, along with his repulsive personality and use of affilates to promote his products on various websites convinced me to get rid of him.
Do comment on NYVC's vocal course. Any insight is helpful.
Please reply ASAP. I'm in a conundrum.
Lovely channel BTW, subbed!
He just sat down and learnt it on his own with very little help and guidance. Some people are equipped to do this more so than others. I used Singing Success and that's how I make these demonstrations. Brett Manning's ideas combined with my own self developed understanding. Justin is great I spoke to a friend of his recently I like his work on CZcams I'm sure he'd be a great place to get going with your voice. Most teachers on CZcams will help you get going then as you improve you'll figure out yourself what you want and the specific skills you value over others etc..
Carl Wehden Thanks!
Harrsh ...since you're here and obviously like Carl's personality, why not use Carl as a vocal coach?
Do brendon urie he is a very praised singer but theres no technique vids about him
I already made one but I wasn't happy with it so it never went live. I'll try again soon though, I think I can just about nail it..
Great video. Do you make music of your own?
yeah streaming on Tuesday 2pm UK normally play a lot of my own music.
As I listen I have to wonder how much of this nuance is just natural for Thom? The merger of vocal melody and lyrical intent can create a lot of these compression events that you are pointing out. I'm not arguing with you about their existence, more thinking out loud on the process of their creation. Another good example (though polar opposite) is NOFX. For NOFX the vocals are nasal but also fall into the proper frequency ranges as to not get interfered with by other instruments. But Fat Mike does a lot to break down boundaries of sentence structure to coerce the song to fall in line. "Give "The Desperation's Gone" a listen. (if you haven't already ;) ) Amazing narrative coercion to 4/4. Complex lyrics wrapped around a simple song.
Great vid man.One on jeff buckley would be cool or matt bellamy
bugeyedmudafuka2 agreed
Yessss!!!! Jeff Buckley, PLEASE!!!
Jeff Buckley for sure!!
triggered
I haven't seen your videos on vocal training..but you seem to have the best taste in music among all of vocal coaches on CZcams!! Radiohead,Jeff Buckley. Just curious to know what do you think about Alex Turner, Julian Cascablancas and Matt Berninger? I know they are not in the same league as Thom or Jeff but they are my favorites among more recent singers particular because of their voice texture,depth and timbre and unique style.
I quickly get fatigued doing this kind of singing, is that common or should you be able to do this an hour straight no problem?
Thom is a genius ❤
Good work on Tom Yorke, would you please analyse the voice of Kurt Cobain, Mark Boals Camilo Sesto and Nino Bravo?
You should check out Mikael Akerfeldt, he has that same sort of frailty to his voice as Thom although not as complex, while also having one of the best death growls in metal (although his throat is fucked up because of it). I've always wanted to imitate his death growls, but can't get it to sound as the same as him, but analysis on his clean would be just as good to watch.
What's the song during the intro at 0:13?
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I’d like to hear your thoughts on Scott Walker both from his ‘60’s work to today.
You should analyse how he sings "Nude". His voice is angelic.
You should make a video analysing Brandon Boyd's voice, he is an incredible singer. Or make a video about Mike Patton's voice, he's God
I get what chord closure is and I know what it sounds like, but how do you do it in a healthy way?
The only way I can think of doing is almost quacking like a duck and mixing that with an open sound.
It's hard for some people to find if they haven't done it consciously before, some people find it in seconds others it takes a few weeks of consistent work to latch on to.
Jeff Buckley- The way young lovers do , pleaseeee. Great video!
have you one a series on the former singer of FlyLeaf and how evocative and emotive her singing style is
Очень круто!
Thom Yorke is evidence of a higher power. The end.
yep its proof zues is real alright.
Hes a little moon man
i dont really get it, isnt squeezing just akin to - incorrectly forcing air through and causing damage to the larynx or whatever?
I'm showing people what happens when you adjust the arytenoid muscles with precision and efficiency, no harm will be done ;)
Feel like there were much better examples to give for Thom Yorke's singing than this video. Such as Bloom at Pathway to Paris. This song doesn't go anywhere in terms of his ability.
Granted, he's not a singer, but he can write (which is noticeable when others cover his songs)... as for his singing, perhaps it is 'projection-friendly' - meaning it leaves room for people to project things (emotions) onto it... a note on pop music - it is more about timbre than anything else (new sounds, new voices, new personalities), on top of the same old music foundation (old chords, old harmonies, old progressions)... so he must have offered something new (and I noticed he's still writing good songs)...
Thom is one of the best singers of his generation Numi
please do Maynard James Keenan
K this is crazy, you look just like brunette version of him, especially in the eyes
Huh? He looks absolutely nothing like Thom Yorke! Not even a little.
No he doesn't.
i see a resemblance
You do realise though, that Thom Yorke sung both high and powerfully in the 90´s. His style was totally different then. For example in My Iron Lung.
Great point.
By the way, great work, it is really intriguing.
Is that Begbie from Trainspotting's lost brother?
Do a Jónsi one please
I was listening daydreaming by radiohead when I saw this )))
It's about expressing emotion---no matter the technical details. And that's it. The least talented "singers" in the world can do it, and that's why no one wants to listen to "voice" winners or "american idol" winners. They may be technically excellent, but, they're relatively emotionless. Thom is definitely the opposite of emotionless.
Do Anor Dan from Agent Fresco!
Great video, Carl. This is apropos of nothing but Knives Out is a fucking great song (There There's not bad either).
(5:30)...Called the second verse.
Please Maynard from Tool!
Next video:
Thom yorke: why you *can't*
Can we get one or two videos on Jeff Buckley?
be honest this is just a platform for you to have people hear you try and sign similar to Thom.
You're like a 2 year old that wanders into a room and makes blathering comments about whatever as if you just learned how to talk with zero context to whatever was going on before you wandered into a room. Get a clue, watch his previous vids. That's the LAST thing he needs to do. By the way, where's Y0UR channel? 3 subs? Must be your mom, dad, and boyfriend. Just because you recently learned to type doesn't give your 2 cents as much value as anyone else's. Grow up.
Is loser your middle name?
Please, please, please don’t sing along with Thom. You’re off key, you *don’t* sound like him, and you make horrible noises when you try to imitate sounds, and talk about squeeze and compression. You sound whiny and as if you’re pinching your nose shut as you bray your poor imitations. Hopefully you have not ruined one of my favorite songs or my all-time favorite band. People familiar with Radiohead and Thom Yorke know his voice is almost impossible to mimic. So just stop. Please. Make your bizarre comments if you must, and constantly interrupt beautiful songs to tell everyone how clever you are and how you understand music better than everyone else-if you must. But don’t sing along with or on top of Thom Yorke. If you listen to this video, you should be able to hear how dissonant your voice is alongside his. If you can’t hear the dissonance, then maybe don’t make yourself out to be a [self-proclaimed] expert, and maybe just shut up and listen to beautiful music like the rest of us, instead of bleating over top of it and pausing to imitate farm animals before telling us those are the same sounds Thom makes.
Still after that Maynard J Keenan one :P
sorry Porticulus people are throwing all sorts of names at me right now, it's a bit overwhelming :*(
Haha no probs mate.
Carl Wehden ...s'pose it's better than the alternative, right?
I’ll say this about Maynard. All of Tool’s songs are in dropped D & All of A Perfect Circle’s songs are dropped to C#. So even though it sounds like he’s getting incredibly high and loud with his delivery, considering the tuning of the song, he’s starting quite low. Maynard also admits that early Tool is mostly just barking and yelling more than singing. His work in A Perfect Circle is going to really display his range and abilities more but again, he’ll admit there are some songs he cannot perform live because they are too taxing on his voice. I wouldn’t say he is exclusively a studio singer but I think effects, layering, and subtle harmonies in the studio create a significant portion of his style. I’ve seen him perform live several times and his live performances are definitely not as rapturous as the album performances and he’ll bail on some of the big, belting lines and sing the vowels in a much lower, controlled register during the show. I’d say his delivery is going to revolve more around passion than textbook skill. Not to denigrate his talent or that I know a lot but just my two cents. ✌🏻
So we need Thom Yorke reacting to people reacting.
God.... Im certain York thinks nothing of techniques and adjustments during his performances. He wrote it, its HIS voice, his skill. He is free, feeling the frequencies.. No immitation.. Thats why we love him...
When u try to sound like other people, you sacrifice your own gift and color.... Stop....
Misleading title, but not a bad video.
I wonder how it would affect his singing if he focused on articulating. I never new that was what he was saying in this song.
true but I kind of like that about him because he's coordination first and words second.
I can hear every word he says, and always could. Maybe you aren't hearing anything at all?
I could decipher most of it pretty clearly except "In pitch dark," "Broken branches," "Why so green," and "Heaven sent you to me, to me, to me." I think part of the problem is that he's slightly buried in the mix; but I also contend he isn't enunciating as well as he could and occasionally trails off on a word without finishing it. But it could just be my hearing...
Oh I didn't know it was a problem with the mix, I assumed that you had listened to the official release before critiquing THE Thom Yorke lol
I am indeed referring to the original vocal on Hail to the Thief. Thom is known for being a bit of a mumbler; not saying that's good or bad, but I am saying it makes him hard for me to understand sometimes.
You can analyze Thom as much as you whant...you are wasting your time...you will never get it... it is ment not to be decoded... so give up and enjoy his magnifisent work ;)
I didn't understand that at all
JESUS ANOTHER. WHY
You kind of look like him, too 😂
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and everybody waiting for the theeeere theeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeere part 12:17
i feel like some of the mispronouncing is from his accent or he just likes it, lol
...can we just listen to Squeeze?
Is Thom Yorke a great singer technically. Not really. There’s a million singers better.
But...unlike those better singers, I believe what Thom sings
Good video, however why do you always make every sentence you say sound like a question?
erm I don't know, I'm trying to get better at the videos it's really tricky to get good at in all honesty :)
He's popular? I could barely understand a word he was singing. Didn't like watching him either. Enjoyed your analysis though.
You are genius. He has is own way of singing.
You misunderstood the video
bro you need to check out the video ;)
Where is it? Is it your own music?
Clickbait title? With some weird content to make some subs with famous Bands and names like Radiohead. And people eat it all day long. Is really hard to understand, but is what it is. I´m out bro, peace ;) is my opinion.
António Batista weird content? singing tips how is that 'weird' get a grip 😂
shuttup
Your next video....carl wehden: why I'm not famous for anything
Yeah it sucks just being some average nobody on youtube but I have to earn a living ;)
Just another hater(?) Who cares!!! Great vid man!!! :D
Bro stop it..u sound like a hater...not a good look....hes worth mills..wat r u worth?
not hating in this video only praising ;)
I mean, he's pointing out stuff about his singing, wich can help other people learn how to sing, don't you think?
he probably means about the title saying that Thom "can't sing anything" which is kind of a bit misleading