Chesty mixed voice? Powerful upper mixed voice? (feat. Wintertide)
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- čas přidán 7. 06. 2024
- Chesty mix! Something that I think is not well understood and ends up creating a mindset that is harmful to one's vocal development, especially on the rock / metal high singing style
In this video I share my experience with it, why it halted my advances for long and what I learned in the process. What really is chesty mix and what is it not?
The main problem here happens when you think you can turn your upper mix or head voice range into a "chesty mix" as this just makes you think "take my chest up there!" which is wrong and causes strain and a constant state of belting, instead the upper mix should be head dominant, with the chest dominant mix being only your lower mix range.
I think some of this has to do with context: how you actually sound in a rock / metal full production with other instruments vs what you sound by yourself in a bedroom. It's surprising how thick and more "chesty" a head dominant voice can sound when you put it together with a band with the right vocal chain.
I explore the song Wintertide as an example of my upper mix range / head voice and how it sounds outside of context vs in context. Hopefully this can help demystify the term!
00:00 Intro
00:31 Number 1 question
00:50 What is chesty mix?
01:30 What chesty mix is NOT
02:14 Why thinking chesty mix is bad
02:39 it's all about context!
03:27 Wintertide
04:07 Raw vocal demonstration - chorus part 1
04:48 In context demonstration - chorus part 1
05:20 Raw vocal demonstration - chorus part 2
06:28 In context demonstration - chorus part 2
06:47 Key takeaway and actual chesty mix demo
07:37 Why chesty mix slowed me down
07:55 What to focus on instead
09:11 Just be ok / wrap up
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They should give a prize to Baritones who help others to get better!
It's some effort making these videos, but it's worth it when people provide feedback that it's helpful so I'm glad!
Cheers
As a fellow baritone I’ve learned the voice has to be built in progression. I’ve obsessed over hitting high notes and severely underdeveloped mid and low mid passagio notes. Even though I can now sing high my sound is noticeably strained and completely unsustainable for the long term. Even though winning karaoke night is nice building a healthy technique will give you everything you want in the best of ways. Says someone whose been watching videos like this for almost a decade
As a low alto, this was wonderfully helpful! Also, your falsetto is GORGEOUS.
Thank you! Glad it helps
Cheers!
this is very informative! As a barritone also, trying to sing in a high voice and it always naturally turn into a thiner rock style. Just aknowledged the limit of my connected mix voice. Now I can try more other tactics like vows
Glad it helps! Vowels makes a huge difference if you understand why we modify them -- to get the right resonance placement, it not about the vowel, it's about the resonance placement, vowels is just a trick to get there
Cheers!
😲 😱 So good! You are the guy I was just looking for to get pointers from. I've been struggling with my head voice and maintaining the high notes.
Glad it helps ya man! I try to share the things that I wished to have found way sooner on CZcams. I mostly do it through YT shorts as it's low effort in terms of recording editing and such and go straight to the point
Cheers
While Power Metal isn't really my thing, I must say that you have an amazing technique and are a great teacher. This video helps me immensely further discovering how to achieve more vocal control and understanding of my voice. I never knew that these high vocals as in Wintertide are so soft and falsetto-y. But the context in which they are utilized seems to matter so much. Thanks a lot!
I kinda define falsetto as when it's more airy, when vocal chords don't fully close. Head voice is when they do fully close and that makes it louder and less soft than falsetto, but it's still stretched and not thick like chest voice (hence why it can be done effortlessly)
I just released a short video on head voice specifically, on the power metal context, and how the same falsetto coordination + the right techniques can turn it into a powerful head voice that sounds more "chesty"
czcams.com/users/shortshekERdQLxBw?feature=share
It does a better job than my text comment here to show the difference from falsetto into what you actually hear in these albums
But the sentiment is the same, its not chest voice, it's not thick!
I'm happy you find these valuable, thanks!
@@LeoMaiaProg Oh wow, thanks for that in-depth comment + video suggestion! I'm gonna watch that video. Do you know the youtuber "Studio West"? He has a video "How to Sing in Mixed Voice: The Falsetto Mix" which explains it similarly and pretty well, too. But without any voice in a song context. It's interesting to see how many different terminologies there are for basically the same thing. Thought that might be of interest or inspiration to you. Another great teacher is Chris Liepe.
@@phosphorusmusick I haven't but I could check it out
Cheers
@@LeoMaiaProg cheers, friend
This video was amazing! I’m gonna go binge watch your other videos now. Thanks!
- Baritone
Cheers! Most of my vocal tips videos are on CZcams shorts
Thanks very much for this! Showing how it sounds in isolation and then in the mix and acknowledging the need for doublers etc has made this a lot clearer for me.
Trying to get people to break away from the misinformation! Cheers
Leo, it is a great great video! You made a point that i haven't seen in any other voice-couching videos, which is singers should evaluate their voice in specific context. You are an amazing artist and instructor, thank you!
Thanks I appreciate the support and in glad it helps! I try to pick on the topics that really set me back to hopefully help others that got stuck on the same misconceptions
Cheers
@@LeoMaiaProg and you've done a great job!
You're an angel. After listening to your videos, I began embracing my baritone voice. It has started being fun using it. Thanks ❤
Cheers! Glad it's helping
great video!!! ive always wanted to see a video where they show how the mix sounds before and after the mixing
Yeah I find it to be very deceptive that people think that super high singers are louder and beefier than 100W marshal guitar wall which doesn't make sense, so I try to just be raw with my content so you can always hear how it sounds like in an untreated room
Your advice is appreciated my man. Hope you're living well.
Glad you like it! Haven't been singing much lately but life is going well, cheers!
I have met your videos today and I'm already loving everything
So glad! Thanks for the support
This is amazing, thank you for the detailed information. ❤️
You're welcome!
nice video, good informations. Thx bud, I love what you are doing in this channel
Thanks man!
I love your videos bro!! Never seen so much progress just by listening to your videos!
Glad you like it! I try to squeeze as much as I can into as little content possible to really get straight to the point on the things that really made me sing like I wanted to sing.
Please more videos about Mix Voice!!
There's a lot of YT shorts videos about it in the channel going straight to the point with no frills!
Great Advice, Much Thanks for your insightful information, u saved me a lot of time of better understanding. 👌
I'm glad it helps!
This demonstration is pure gold.... Thank you!
You're welcome!
This was so helpful, thank you for explaining it so well!
You're welcome!
This is very helpful. Thanks man! 🙏🏻
I'm glad! Cheers
Grata surpresa essa recomendação do CZcams! Comentando aqui pra voltar depois e aprender mais. Sou barítono, tentando encontrar uma maneira saudável e efetiva de fazer esses agudos. Vamo que vamo! E parabéns pelo conteúdo :)
Vlw Lucas! Tem bastante YT shorts no canal sobre o assunto, a músicas autorais TB 😅
Thanks man! Really nice content! Very helpfull
Glad it's helpful!
Really great stuff here on your channel!!!!!!!!!!! Thank you so much!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheers :)
Glad you like it!
Cheers
Thank you for sharing this idea!
Cheers!
I really love all that is been done in this community😅😅😅
mannn you’re awesome!!! just discovered u and instantly admired ya, i’m also brasileiro então admiração fica maior ainda, tbm quero começar a gravar vídeos falando EM INGLÊS no youtube, i’m working on my EP (2-3 songs and 2 cover songs) when i finish those i’ll focus on creating content, anyway, much love and keep the good work man!!
also just curious: did u record that w an iphone or a camera?
Google pixel camera!
E o áudio pela interface
Abraço!
great stuff
Glad you like it, cheers!
Great video, Mate. This is something I've been experiencing myself, but I wasn't sure about it.
Thanks
Glad you find it valuable! The next song that I'm releasing in April I'll also post a isolated vocals track for it so people can understand what context does to a vocal
@@LeoMaiaProg nice!
Hi Leo, I found your channel the other day, great stuff!
I am a Bass with a decent range, but I've always dreamt of being able to sing higher, with power. Little over 1,5 years ago, I learned that this thing called "mix" exists and I was hooked. First tried some things online, then found a local certified voice coach, who has helped me a lot, but his voice type being tenor and his own experience of learning mix was pretty smooth, I feel he can't help me with my super hard break. I spent 35+ years pulling chest (belting). Hardly ever used my head voice for actual singing. So my voice breaks hard.
For the last 1,5 years I've trained my head voice a LOT and it has improved a lot. But now the thing is: I can't blend from chest mix into heady mix yet because even with the right vowels, raised soft palate, twang(cry), My voice just keeps breaking at a certain point around D4/E4, unless I go to a very low volume. It's very frustrating. I spend multiple hours a week at learning this but am currently stuck.
My vocal coach says that it's not mix unless I can glide through my range. The more I work on this, the more it feels like I have found mix in my upper range, and lower range, just can't blend yet. I'd love to hear your opinion on this.
What I also wanted to express is how much of a relief it was for me to learn from you that you had similar problems in your journey AND to see and hear that you were able to get there in the end. That was very encouraging to me, THANKS!
Welcome to the channel! I'm happy that you can relate to the content
In regards to you problems, I do agree that you need to glide first, but the trick is finding HOW to glide. It's not about just holding the same vowel shape and same resonance placement and just gliding, the way that the gliding actually connects is through the placement changing gradually which happens through vowel modifications. The trick at the lower mix range for me was using slightly more covered vowels in there. AH->AW->UH. The part where you're probably doing correctly given your description, which is quite twangy nasal resonances might be around EH vowel shapes.
Pay attention on this video on the points about using the resonance to connect which is the core of it: czcams.com/users/shortsiRgen1YuV-g?feature=share
And this one has examples of connecting through vowel modification (which in the end is just a means to achieve different resonance placement) on full voice, starting from my first break going into second break and such with the easiest vowels (at least for me) to bridge each gap without breaking, see if that helps: czcams.com/users/shortsnf2fSsW6iG4?feature=share
Good luck!
@@LeoMaiaProg Oh wow, thanks for your quick reply Leo, I'll be studying those two links! Thanks again!
Thank you for the great tips! This is very valuable!
Although when I do all you described here, and I've been using this technique for a while there is one thing I can't get rid of. The squeeze feeling in my throat (that the cry creates). It's very uncomfortable and can't sing too long because of this strainy feeling. Can you help me out plz what could i do wrong? Thank you!
From my experience I can think of 2-3 things that can be related to it, cry shouldn't create this type of feeling
1- maybe you're projecting your voice too much forward, which can cause the larynx to raise more than it needs to
2- maybe you're blasting too much air, maybe you're "pushing from your belly" clenching your abs and such, getting too loud, that can also cause that, support is to ensure constant controlled airflow and not to crank up the air pressure
3- maybe you're using the wrong vowel shapes, if you're singing high on cry then big open vowels like AH will cause that guaranteed -- you need to narrow as you ascend
@@LeoMaiaProg Wow these are eye-opening tips! Will definietelly experience with these! Thank you a lot!
I realized that pulling chest is not the way to go. It’s exactly what you are saying. Learn to use head voice and support it and add technique like vocal compression. I find it better to start high and bring it down, to be head dominant and not chest dominant. You are exactly right. There are different registers. It is wrong to pretend that there are not.
Absolutely yes that's the point! Cheers
Amazing! 90% of vocal tutorials on CZcams are rap and pop vocalists. Finally I found a rock vocalist
Cheers! Check out the shorts videos
Another great video Leo! Thanks for sharing the info. I think we love to call it chesty mix because our "mix" is thin and we want to make it sound like chest LOL. Would you be able to demonstrate a mix voice which is light, then add the other factors you mentioned (modification, soft palate placement) and make it sound fuller? A single phrase would do, just something we can work on.
That could be a quick short video, I'll see when I can do it
The raise soft palate short video I think has something like that on it
Fine. You guilted me into watching this. The part about how different vocal styles cuts through the multiple frequencies the rest of the instruments.
😂😂😂
Thanks for watching man!
Parabéns Léo
Seus vídeos são excepcionais
A forma como aborda a teoria vocal é bem objetiva e com exemplos diretos
Apesar de acompanhar diversos vídeos e professores de canto , nunca tinha visto esta abordagem sem rodeios
Vc da aula de canto on-line ???
@demetrius silveira fala Demetrius, eu dou para algumas pessoas sim ocasionalmente
Fico feliz que tenha gostado da abordagem!
Thank you😢😢😢😢😢 youre a hero
Glad you find it helpful!
Ini dia.. Ini yang saya tunggu tunggu.. Penjelasan lebih lanjut mengenai olah vokal..
Terimakasih telah berbagi 🙌🏻🙌🏻🤩
I'm glad you like it, thanks!
@@LeoMaiaProg your vocal sound like iron maiden, the trooper 🤩🤩
@@rahmanridwansyah I find my tone a bit different from Dickinson's, but I'll surely take the compliment! 😅
love it. thanks man!
Glad you like it, cheers!
Great content! Thanks
Glad you like it! Cheers
Thank you soo much 😊
You're welcome!
Muy bueno GRACIAS!!
Yw!
Gracias por tus consejos. Saludos desde argentina.
Cheers hermano! Soy brasileno
I was first confused with this video calling those chesty quality voices “headvoice”. As a soprano C5 still feels like a middle voice to me ,so maybe this video is for baritones who feel those notes are head-voice.This made me learn from around A4 it is head voice notes which I was confused I thought it was usually beyond C5 and below that it should be able to mix in chest but I guess it depends on the person’s range.
Yes absolutely, sopranos have breaks that are pretty high, point is everyone can sing this type of songs and sound good and people's perception of what a chesty mix is is very twisted and misinformed, which causes people to strain by focusing more on trying to take chest too high instead of resonance which is what actually makes something sound "chesty" in the higher range
@@LeoMaiaProg Some videos categorising singer’s voice as chesty mix has always confused me actually. Resonance,that’s the words.Thanks.
mds tu é brasileiro e ainda é maia tbm hahahaa obrigado pelos vídeos, é difícil achar conteúdo sobre barítonos aqui no youtube!
Haha valeu! O conteúdo se aplica a todo mundo, mas eu sou barítono, por muito tempo achei que isso me limitava então tento fazer com que os outros não se sintam limitados com seu fach também
@@LeoMaiaProg sim eu tbm sou baritono (g2-g#4) e eu comecei a me aprofundar na técnica do belting contemporâneo do maestro marconi araújo e to redescobrindo muito a minha voz, sempre cantei em "voz plena" e agora eu to começando a desenvolver meu mix e cada dia vou me surpreendendo mais pq antes eu não tinha volume nenhum no registro de falsete. agora aos pouquinhos eu to desenvolvendo um lado novo da minha voz.
@@DanielMaia boa! Mudou minha vida tb
Thanks for this video.🩵🙏
Glad you like it!
U're good bro.
Do you sing in some metal band too? Do you sing covers of famous metal songs too? I'm just curious ^-^
Thank you!
I don't have a metal band but I have a solo project and so collaborations as well
My solo songs are prog rock with some metal (linked in description), but I've recently appeared on Jeff Black's wintertide (also linked in the video) which is power metal
@@LeoMaiaProg Nice
Hey u sound great bro one thing I would like to know is how to make mixed voice less harsh and brassy or less bright I have a problem when I sing with more power in mixed voice it becomes to bright. Have u experienced this problem?
Bright is good but maybe you mean nasal or something
Lift your soft palate, check your vowels, try to go for rounder vowels like UH and it helps shape the tone rounder and a bit darker
@@LeoMaiaProg thanks man let me try that
Hi Leo, thanks for the video. I'm not a big fan of power metal, but Wintertide's chorus is fire!
Btw, are you in M2 "laryngeal mechanism" (aka head voice/falsetto) in "Like a Stone" demonstration of chesty mix? I can achieve a tone close to yours using M2 in "mixed voice" coordination, but it is noticeable that my tone is based on head voice/M2 mechanism. Maybe I just need to practice a bit longer? Or maybe I'm going wrong path and I should find another "mix" coordination based on M1 (chest voice) for C4-E4 range and switch to M2 based mix as late as possible?
Any advice would be greatly appreciated :)
Hey, my greatest advice here is to ignore terminology and try to classify things. What matters is how you sound and how you feel. As long as you sound good and feel like it's easy you're doing the right thing.
To answer your question, yes I do approach it from a head voice mechanism but make it sound rounder and darker by picking the right vowel sounds (darker vowels), by placing the resonance more up and in (soft palate) and keeping my embouchure more tall and round (the wide and smiley makes it masky and bright)
This short explains it czcams.com/users/shortshekERdQLxBw?feature=share
@@LeoMaiaProg Thanks a lot! The way you describe your feelings is close to mine. I will continue practice. Also I'll try to record myself and put the vocals in a context of full mix with doubles/harmonies.
Very helpful
Glad it helped!! Cheers
Eu adorei! Sou barítono também e tenho muita dificuldade porque gosto do Iron Maiden, por exemplo, mas tenho dificuldade com as notas altas. Consigo me sair muito bem em alguns registros, mas na voz de cabeça sempre soa muito próximo do falsete. Preciso aprender a fazer isso da maneira certa. Me inscrevi e vou acompanhar e aprender com você. Obrigado
Fala Matheus! A maioria do conteúdo do canal eh em forma de YT shorts
Tem bastante conteúdo relacionado a o assunto de fazer a voz de cabeça não ser parecido com falsete, o último conteúdo foi exatamente nesse assunto inclusive!
sim, inclusive, foi o que me fez conhecer o seu canal. estava pesquisando o assunto mas, agora não dá pra treinar. pra não acordar as pessoas da casa kkkkkk caso tenha interesse em fazer aulas com voce como a gente faz?@@LeoMaiaProg
@@MatheusOliveira2i2 fala comigo no Instagram
Hello, thanks a lot for the video, it was really helpful and informative.
Can you please make a video explaining vocal exercises to strengthen mixed voice and learn to control it more properly? 🫢
Tbh it wasn't through exercises, it was through singing songs and applying the techniques to songs, the key factor to me was placement and vowel modifications (which I have many short videos about it in my channel)
Keep in mind that it's not about strength, it's about coordination, it's not like a gym that you need to build muscles, you just need to build muscle memory and coordination, if you're having to strain and use force, something is wrong
Cheers!
Better question to ask you then…how do you get a heady sound into that zone where you are singing if it’s based on that please? What were your progressions that helped you above first break. Much appreciated, great sound. I can get high like Bon Scott but it’s a distortion sound. The clean doesn’t feel or sound right to me.
First you get the pitch, which based on your comment feels like you can get
Then you shape that pitch, through vowel modification, mouth shape (narrower), use the right amount of airflow (not more and not less than you use on a comfortable lower pitch), there are many things involved here that is no one single thing
There are many CZcams shorts videos on the channel about the multiple little things that adds up to this
Great video thanks for sharing. Would love to see what exercises you do or did to strengthen your head voice
Tbh it wasn't through exercises, it was through singing songs and applying the techniques to songs, the key factor to me was placement and vowel modifications (which I have many short videos about it in my channel)
There are however some short video on my channel with a few exercises that helped me understand the technique like the squeaky voice
But keep in mind it's not like gym, it's not a muscle that needs strengthening through exercises, the exercises exist to create muscle memory on the right coordination, but singing itself is not a heavy lifting exercise that needs strong muscles
I with like a privet lesson with you
Can we talk?
Thanks! I’m interested to learn this one, I was able to find my access or say unlock my access to my head tone smoothly, however when I listened to the recording, it sounded too smooth & thin as compared to my speaking /chest voice.
This is what you should aim for: czcams.com/users/shortshekERdQLxBw?feature=share
Awesome video, with that I do have a question - do you have any tips on how to get into the heady mix placement? Whenever I try to add compression to my head voice, it seems to just want to cut off completely or break into chest voice. I can achieve a pretty good chesty mix if I bridge from my break, but I want to be able to take that lighter sound lower.
Yeah I got a few short videos about it. First you need to be able to connect with a very slow and soft OO vowel glissando and learn how you changing the resonance placement of the OO is what makes it connect, that would get you a blueprint of the resonance path that gradually changes: czcams.com/users/shortsiRgen1YuV-g?feature=share
Then you need to find your breaks: czcams.com/users/shorts0mlJvRmUu58?feature=share
Then apply the resonance shifts at the right time relative to your breaks through vowel modification. The vowel modification is similar to the OO connection video, how changing the OO vowel changed where the resonance was placed, that can be done in any vowel: czcams.com/users/shortsnf2fSsW6iG4?feature=share
With this type of coordination, you can start very light, applying the right resonance, and add a bit of compression / lean more into it, lush more into it, JUST ENOUGH to go into full voice but not more, should be able to add / remove heaviness as you like. If you break it could mean you're either adding too much or that you might not be using the right resonance / vocal tract shape / vowel
Hope it helps
@@LeoMaiaProg Thank you! I'll try this next time I can practice. :)
Valeu Leo. Os vídeos ajudam muito. As dicas que você me deu me mostraram muitas coisas. Por exemplo: A sonoridade das músicas muda bastante quando mixado em um estúdio o que me levava a me cobrar muito para atingir o mesmo som quando o original não é exatamente como no produto final. E a outra que é muito importante a alteração de vogais. Continua porque a suas dicas ajudam muito. Muito obrigado
Vlw Yann fico feliz de ter ajudado!
@@LeoMaiaProg Leo, só mais uma coisa. Você tem alguns aquecimentos que você recomenda em específico pra uso geral de todas a cordeações vocais?
@@Yking2077 esse aqui eh mto bom: czcams.com/video/b7M4eu-7SeQ/video.html
Outra coisa que gosto de fazer eh primeiro aquecer o diafragma com algumas inalações rápidas pela barriga e nariz, soltando pela boca, também ajuda a dar uma limpada na garganta, depois começo a exercitar o falsete, depois voz de peito leve, só depois ir pra mix mais leve e por último fazer uns belts
Hello Leo, everything made sense when watching your video, but the only problem is, I can't access a mix voice at all. I have a chest voice up to around A3, and after that it is pure, weak, thin, head voice. It is so frustrating because at this point, all I am looking for is to have access to a beefier B3 & maybe C3 because I am so limited in what I can do. If you have any tips of how to access the mixed voice, I would be forever grateful. I feel at the end of my rope because I have been singing for 30 years (nothing professional) and I have been taking online singing lessons but to no avail! Thanks so much!
You need to take that head voice and add cry to it with the right vowels.
These should help:
czcams.com/users/shortsEPD9X1brvJE?feature=share
czcams.com/users/shortshekERdQLxBw?feature=share
czcams.com/users/shortsAwczGSd8yUs?feature=share
czcams.com/users/shortspKQY6D6rapA?feature=share
czcams.com/users/shortsD9aOecpQD8U?feature=share
Sehr hilfreich. 👍 Klasse . Danke für deinen Content. Beste Grüße aus Deutschland 👋
Glad you like it, cheers! (Sent this message from Berlin, working here for the week)
Cool. 👍
Fire 🔥
Glad you like it!
Léo, você é o cara! Eu gostaria de marcar uma aula contigo online pra tirar dúvidas nesse tópico. Sou barítono e tenho dificuldades em cantar musicas que não são da minha fach. Ajuda euuuu
Obrigado!!
Fala comigo no Instagram!
Hi Leo, thanks a lot for this video! I've discovered my mix voice 6 months after I started singing, being able to jump from E4 to a B4 from one day to the next, squeezing a lot obviously because I was pulling my chest voice a lot, probably too much. At first, I was happy with what I discovered, but after trying to be comfortable singing A4-C5 with this chesty mix for 2 years (without success), I realized with your video that it's not the way to do it and I should work on my head voice.
Could you be more specific about exercises to practice or "parameters" you're playing with to make the thin head voice sound more round/chestier? You're talking about shaping this head voice by adjusting the vowels, the airflow, raising the soft palate. I would really love another video demonstrating what you adjust in your head voice to make it sound a bit fuller. Or even a private lesson if it's something that you would do?
Again, muito obrigado pelo video!!
I'm glad it helps, I have plenty of short videos on it that can help out on the subjects that you listed here. Like finding your breaks and using that to modify your vowels gradually, getting narrower as you ascend, what support really means, starting lighter from falsetto and adding the compression just enough to get into full voice, raising the soft palate among other things. But as you can see in my demonstrations in the video, it still sounds very heady and very bright and thin even with all that and if your breaks are lower then you thin out sooner and that's ok
Maybe check the shorts out and see if there's anything that helped you from there or what could've been missing
Thanks!
@@LeoMaiaProg Oh I had only checked the videos, not the shorts! I was wondering why I didn't find other videos (apart from covers) about vocal technique since you were referring to them in this video! Thanks a lot for your reply and for your videos Leo, I'm gonna check all of them out now!
@@BaroVince the other videos aren't covers tho they are my own songs :)
Yeah I don't have a lot of time to make full length videos and shorts have such a better reach that I end up making a bunch of quick and targeted straight to the point shorts instead
Hopefully they would be helpful to you
thank you so much. I have same low baritone voice as yours. I always think that i don't have enough technique to get to tenor's note. But you make me see the point that my voice just can't get that high. So what can i do now bro. Can u give me some advice about optimizing all i got please! I wanna sing high. But even when i can sing mix voice and head voice (not so pro), i still can't sing the songs that i love perfectly whithout lowering the tones. A little sad 😅😅😅
Check my short videos see if they help in anyway
Cheers!
I think i have in the past pushed my falsetto to sound thicker esp with mic to hear myself over distorted guitar, they dont like to turn down, i need a way to get that smooth equalibriam.....sometime i have, sometimes i not have, cheers bro 😊
It's about the EQ!
EQ starts in your vocal tract, picking the right vowels and twang and that stuff start to shape the frequencies of vocal sound.
Then, make sure the area around 2k on your voice is boosted and in the guitar it's cut. It's not just volume. Go into the guitar amp and turn the mids down. You guitar player will only care about the volume knob
Hey thanks a lot for helping out but i have one question.
What exactly do you mean when you said "its above my first break" isnt the break supposed to be just one or
Here are some short videos to help clarify!
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Cheers!
Sometimes I can sing up to Aflat4 or A4 with a good mix (when i think of keeping dark sound), sometimes not. Do you think preventing the larynx to go higher is one of the key elements to blend chest and head properly?
Thinking about larynx placement is very counter intuitive to me. Larynx going up is a symptom, not a cause.
You need to have the right airflow, constant, not too much not too little, have the right vowels, the right chord closure, the right stretch to the folds and the right frequency placement. If you do these right your larynx will be where it needs to be
Do you offer online vocal coaching?? I’m a baritone looking to extend range but keep the support
Hey, many people have asked me that so I started to try to make it happen. I don't have a lot of time to teach but in trying to find a few spots
Thank you ! I just have this exact problem i get stuck ithe chesty mix area. And the tone doesn't match with my head voice ! It's all about switching gears
If the tone doesn't match then it could be because you're not adding in head voice early enough so that it gradually changes rather than abruptly
Cheers!
@@LeoMaiaProg thanks Leo good advice ! I Will try it !
Yes I’ve got a male student I’m trying to explain this to
Yes it's hard to process that as a male, when you try head voice for the first time it sounds weak and airy and you can't possibly conceive that this is how powerful male singers actually sing the songs that you personally think is chest voice. Also there's lot of misinformation out there which doesn't help
loved the way you explained in this video. -- Help. I loose my beefiness the moment i step in F#4. its not airy after that but not beefy. Seems like my eddie vedderish like tone suddenly changes into something else which sounds like its another voice. is it normal or its a problem? im a beginner by the way.
Well it's normal if you haven't found your mixed voice yet, it's like you break, check some of shorts videos maybe some of them could help you, I don't know exactly what's up with you so I'm sorry I could be more target in the answer
@@LeoMaiaProg Thank you so much for the reply
This is really good at a pro level..trying to sound like a high belter out of context from the studio can be deceiving.. more tonal shaping than pulling chest.. tx
Glad you like it!
learning to sing a few incubus songs and im kinda stuck on the a4's and this is helping
Glad it helps! Some of the YT shorts videos could help as well. This A4 range is where I start to get really heavy on head voice and narrow vowels, a lot on this topic is on the shorts videos
@@LeoMaiaProg Yes I came from the shorts before the full video. Thank you so much.
can u talk a bout flageolet please?!! I saw u doing a C6 in the vocal range video
I'm not an expert on it because it's not super applicable in rock context. I use it mostly in backing vocals for really high notes but not at lead vocals
I wouldn't feel comfortable talking about a technique that I didn't study much
I'm really struggling with mix voice. When I try to hit higher notes (for me its anything F4 or above) I always find myself PULLING chest voice up and I can't seem to stop myself from doing so. 😩🤦♂️ Somebody please help me.
Hey, take a look at my short videos, there's a bunch on the channel on this subject. I'm not sure which step you need right now but hopefully some of them will help ya
it's helpful
I'm glad, cheers!
Pls make a cover of Axl rose's Sweet child of mine
I don't know about actually making that cover, would take some time to record and mix and get instrumentals and all, wouldn't be my favorite song to cover, but i can surely sing it, maybe I can use as an example in a shorts video
I'm going to soon do a cover of black diamond by stratovarius with some friends of mine, that's more up my alley
Could you please do a tutorial on how to do the mixed voice pleaseeeee???
Or
is there already one?
It's not one single thing, there's plenty of things that all need to be in place for you to achieve "mixed voice". There are a lot of CZcams shorts video in the channel with the bits and pieces that need to come together! Check them out
Hey lio thank you for your information . I am a hrad rock singer and vocal thecher form israel .when i sing high a and oo and ee .i got the problem as you mension .i high bariton or drantic tenor , its hard to say..
Yeah these vowels can't be belted so to sing them high you have to pull back and use soft mixed voice, also the right placement for those vowels, for example the OO is better to sing it as if it was a french OUH that is placed a little more forward on the top front teeth
Nice video... I agree with you have "headvoice' here.. czcams.com/video/YpeChy7d4iU/video.html
I'm a little bit old school terms are something very complicated, "pre internet" we used to call headvoice the fact of resonance, when the majority of the resonance was in the cavities of the head like in a high C in classical music a tenor will be using headvoice, but after the internet some terms started to be used for different stuff, this "headvoice" could be what in classical singing people used to call "reinforced falsetto". The problem about singing technics is that we don't have a unified global singing method, so I had to accept the new "modified" therms, btw your video is one of the best about what we call "headvoice" nowadays... congrats! greets from Brazil!
( pera ai.. Leo.. Maia.. fala pt.. é BR ou PT?)
@@jriron1 salve! Terminologia eh complicado mesmo, cada "escola" usa uma e ngm concorda kkkk. Tem head voice whe galera acho que eh falsete, tem head voice que eh a clássica, aí tem head voice feminina que já eh diferente TB, só confunde todo mundo!
Então eu tento usar o que faz sentido pra mim: falsetto e head voice in full voice. No casso a head voice in full voice tem as cordas vocais comprimidas e fechando totalmente, usa do as "true folds" e não apenas as "false folds", sem ar passando enquanto o falsete seria com ar passando e usando as false folds
O que importa eh usar os CT muscles pra enlongar as cordas vocais em vez de ficar só nos TA muscles em busca de uma voz grossa, mas sempre ter os 2 engajados (em balanços diferentes de acordo com a nota) pra estar em full voice
Abordo bastante o quesito de head voice nos meus vídeos (mas a maioria eh em formato shorts)
Vlw!
@@LeoMaiaProg Massa... eu vi vc cantando no clipe da Wintertide achei legal, pq notei q era um cantor de voz mais grave.. fazendo "headvoice"..etc.... Olha eu dou aulas a 23 anos... mantenho o meu entender "clássico" mas uso os termos mais recentes tb… o chato é q cada vez tem gente criando seus "métodos" e vai interpretando diferente os termos.. hj por acaso vi um cara falar sobre o "falsete reforçado" o q inicialmente era pra ser o chamado "headvoice" (seguindo a escola antiga italiana) czcams.com/video/dJLT_5rJtck/video.html , ele nao executa muito bem mas explica muito bem o q falo q voz de cabeça..peito.. mista... antes era tudo referente a ressonância só... , se ressoa mais no peito é Peito, se nas cavidades do cranio é Cabeça, e a mistura dos dois.. ai conforme o canto "popular" foi pegando os termos do erudito.. tudo foi mudando.. Parabéns pelo video! vou seguir na redes!....
@@jriron1 ah legal que dá aulas! Acho que o que complica eh a tal da kinesthesia falsa, cada um sente uma coisa diferente pra mesma técnica. Ressoar na cabeça por exemplo eu sinto na faringe, ressoar no peito eu sinto na garganta / língua. O tal do "open throat" eu não sinto dessa forma de jeito nenhum. Então cada um explica o que sente e pra algumas pessoas funciona pra outras não.
Legal ter notado que era voz grave, por aqui tem muita gente que não acredita que sou baritono e diz que sou tenor fingindo ser baritono kkkkk
Valeu!
@LeoMaiaProg Entendo o que fala de "sentir ressoar" mas é bem simples a "ideia"... pra se entender isso q eu falo da "forma antiga pré internet/youtube", é tipo se colocamos a mão no peito e emitirmos algumas notas como um "ah" grave bem natural varias vezes, como se tivesse acabado de acordar, literalmente vai encontrar provas de vibrações físicas no peito devido à ressonância e se ao contrário vc faz notas agudas... falsete mesmo com "ah",ou com som de "NG" franzindo o nariz em "bocca chiusa" ( na mesma postura de se fazer um estralo com a língua bem agudo, aonde o nariz acaba franzindo um pouco e os dentes superiores aparecem) o "trepidar" q acontecia no peito some, e se verificar com a mão no nariz e ou nos seios da face, vai encontrar as vibrações provando presença de ressonância por ali. Como a voz natural da pessoa mais grave acaba normalmente vibrando aonde se tem maior espaço, e os sons mais agudos vibrando nos espaços menores, como um cello, maior e o violino, menor... respectivamente peito e cabeça ( interior do nariz e dos seios faciais ) isso tudo no meio do caminho se misturando aonde pode se ter uma porcentagem maior de ressonâncias mais baixas e outra parte mais altas tipo 40% peito 60% cabeça... e sim... na realidade a voz ressoa no peito, na garganta... no interior da boca... mas "convencionalmente" se fala mais em peito e cabeça rsrs... a som dependendo das frequências vai buscar os melhores espaços né.. nossa parte é ajudar o corpo posicionando ele melhor de acordo com o q vai ser cantado, se vai cantar agudo fica bem mais fácil se adequando para ajudar o corpo a transmitir as vibrações do som para uma "caixa" com espaço mais ou menos de acordo com o q se canta sejam os agudos, espaços menores vão ajudar mais e graves espaços maiores, por questões q a física explica como o comprimento das ondas mais graves serem maiores e mais agudas menores, respectivamente...se adequando a espaços maiores ou menores.... não sei se deu pra entender a idéia... tipo essas caixas de ressonância maiores ou menores ;
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Só q as nossas são de carne e osso e conseguimos "moldar"um pouco rsrs.., pra pra fechar ideia do q digo da forma antiga,como um cantor erudito diria q esse "u" do "through" q vc canta na musica, para muitos da escola clássica isso seria um falsete rsrs.. o tempo passa e os termos mudam, voz de cabeça antes era só a voz com muita vibração sonora nas cavidades cranianas, aonde se chega até criar harmônicos agudos q da pra se escutar bem alto em alguns tenores da musica classica por exemplo.
Pois é e quantos cantores de voz falada natural bem grave q fizeram sucesso cantando agudos né... Roses...Tate..etc... rsrsrs
(Falando em Geoff Tate, ele da mais corpo pros agudos dele abaixando a ressonância né.. somando mais abaixo do nariz, na cavidade bucal podendo ate transferir vibrações sonoras mais pra baixo ainda..Kiske como mesmo disse aprendeu muito com o Tate..rsrs da pra se notar rs..)
Are you Brazilian? Great work, dude!
Sim! 🙌
Thanks
@@LeoMaiaProg Já me inscrevi aqui. Your English is perfect, by the way!
@@robmattos108 valeu Rob!
4:09 were you always able to hit that first high note in the chorus? I can't seem to reach it even with head voice
can barely hit f4
Well I was always able to hit that note in a very soft airy, light, thin, unusable falsetto
I had to study and practice a lot in order to figure out the head voice in full voice coordination that I used in the video
Prog metal guitarist here, been on the cusp of singing well for like a decade now, but to no avail. I think I've been nasally belting everything high rather than using any mix. If I start from the premise of it being a "head voice note," I can get a loud piercing BeeGees-esque sound... Just wondering what adjustments one makes to sound like Dio instead of The BeeGees.
Hey there, I actually just posted a short video that touches upon going from Bee Gees into a fuller powerful sound. Plenty of other short videos in the channel to explain in more details what I discuss there (like vowel modifications and cry)
Cheers!
Just started watching the shorts today, that is indeed a gold mine... Like everything on the channel applies to exactly my problems. Hopefully I can figure it out, because I am despairing lol.
@@googleruinedyoutube4707 I can surely relate to the struggle, that was me for many years, I post the content that I wish I have found when I was stuck
Cheers!
This was very helpful. Do you also coach?
Sometimes but not very often, not my full time job I can't be consistent
How long have you been singing for? Have you taken lessons?
Yes I've taken plenty of lessons. I've been singing for 20 years, but you can say 17 of them I couldn't sing high and relied on yelling to hit a strained G4 because I was stuck in the mindset that I needed to sing with chest voice at that range, locked on the mindset that I needed a "chesty mix" and I was so wrong, so I try to share what made the whole different so that other people don't need to spend as long as I did
Starting from my falsetto help me to find my head mix but I have problem to connect it to lower note from A4 to E4, they sound weak How can i fix it? 😐
czcams.com/users/shortsVMIMd2YPI0E?feature=share
Among other short videos on the channel!
I am a contralto with muscle tension dysphonia. How do I even access my head voice without it being whispery and causing pain? I can’t go over A4 without strain. And it feels very limiting. I have to be doing something wrong.
Are you able to sing in falsetto, even if it's airy and weak, without feeling tension? Or even the airy weak falsetto causes pain?
If you can do it weak without pain then you'd need to use that coordination and build chord closure with it without engaging your external neck muscles, it's tough with the muscle memory that you may already have, but in my short videos I try to go over and share all that helped me stop straining and pulling chest and reaching the tone of head voice that I have today
Hopefully it helps
Cheers
@@LeoMaiaProg thank you very much! Il continue following and trying what you recommend!
I can get into my upper range without tension! But I can not stay too long.
It’s been a very slow strengthening process. And yes, my setbacks are because of bad muscle memory!
Always looking for things to try to continue to reinforce good habits.
I feel I am doing something wrong when the tension hits and it is often difficult to decipher wether it is my shoulders right, neck, low back, squeezing diaphragm too hard, low soft palette (tense placement), too relaxed, not shaping my vowels right, etc. lol
I had to learn how to breathe again, and speak again! Now I’m learning how to sing properly because I’ve been doing it wrong for years. 😁😂 lol
Thank you for the reply!
@@IamTessaMarie squeezing diaphragm is something you should never do. Support is about keeping the diaphragm extended, not running out of air, rather than pulling in squeezing and clenching, that would cause way too much air to blast upwards and your external muscles would need to engage to keep your vocal chords closed.
I think rather than trying to look for tension points, if you're anything like me, look into starting from falsetto and understanding vowel modifications, placement, cry and such to make it sound stronger and connected. It's not a gym, your vocal chords are as strong as they need to be, it's about coordination
Cheers
It happens to me too much
What
Hi Leo. Do you give private lessons?
I don't do that for a living but I've been trying to accomodate it for a few folks
Could you do one on heady mix pls?
It's the same thing! The point is that mixed voice is the gradual shift of registers / frequencies. If you're using mixed voice properly then you can't sing the same note in both chesty and heady mix, the amount of head and chest proportion is the right one according to the note in your voice range
L am Teghen serah from Cameroon please l want you to start with me from day one I am a beginner thank you
Hi there, while I do some classes sometimes I don't have a lot of time for it, for example I'm not doing anything on July and August, so I'm not sure if you'll be able to get consistent enough help with me
Hi Leo, do you give online one to one lessons?
Hey, I have limited time but sometimes I do yes, will start again mid September
Cool! How to make it happen for me too?
@@boral2934 drop me an email second week of September
@@LeoMaiaProg I did drop you an email yesterday night, I will do it again second week of September! Thank you!
vc usa twitter?
Sim, @ leomaiaprog
hi i have a song on youtube call he my shelter i wont to know if iam engaging breath support and in a mix voice
Hi there! I wasn't able to find it, thanks for checking out the video
@@LeoMaiaProg my name is mariebell nero and my songs will come up!
@@mariebellnero585 sorry I couldn't find it by searching, maybe you can drop me a message on social media with the link and I'll check it out
@@LeoMaiaProg yes thankyou!!🙂
@@LeoMaiaProg Here's a link to one of my songs. czcams.com/video/OhGBVAmiUgM/video.html
That's a game chamger to not try and bring the actual chest in. My biggest issue is when I get into a mix . I tend to add the weight and then eventually it fall apart into a fry and loses the top note . Thanks Leo . I will work on the vowel
A quick link..although I do this voice. It's still isn't fool proof
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Yeah take a look at your mouth in this video, see how wide of a smile that is, big spread AH vowels. Now try to do the same but making sure you're not smiling in the mirror and instead are using a more oval mouth shape, use UH and EH instead of AH depending on the range, and see how you can use less force, less power and sing softer while maintaining the full voice that way. If you're using a super wide vowel you'll end up blowing too much air and too much force
Cheers
wow you sounds like younger james labrie in minutes 5:09
Probably similar techniques, but I'd say my tone is vastly different, but thanks for the compliment!
@@LeoMaiaProg what do you think about nasal resonance? i've hear many great singers use this but rarely vocal teacher teach it
@@crazysingingasian4654 I've briefly referred to it in my recent shorts video: czcams.com/users/shortsEPD9X1brvJE?feature=share
I do talk about it as resonance placement in most of my videos
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You should be able to use the CC in CZcams with auto translation to get it perhaps?
There's no screaming involved here!
The painful truth is, 99% of baritones sound silly doing mixed voice. A low tenor absolutely destroying their vocal chords in the same range just sounds so much better, thick and emotive. Unhealthy passionate singing beats professional technique every time lol Chris Cornell is the only singer that sang this way convincingly and sometimes even he sounded too thin
I don't think it's the only singer, and there are multiple techniques to not sound silly -- like vowel modifications and raising soft palate.
A quick example here: czcams.com/users/shortshekERdQLxBw?feature=share
@@LeoMaiaProg You are an objectively great singer and good teacher but this mixed voice sounds ‘fake’, it is so disconnected from your actual voice. There is nothing wrong with it if you are happy with the way you sound. Look at Jay Buchanan (low tenor) from Rival Sons and compare him to Axl Rose. Jay’s technique is horrible/unhealthy but he sounds like himself during the entire performance. Axl Rose is singing as a character 80% of the time using advanced techniques. There’s a reason why baritones and tenors stay in their lane in classical music, when they try to mimic each other it’s just not the same
@@AlfimAlves I don't know I feel like plenty of baritones in rock sound awesome, but it's a matter of taste of course
Cheers
Well i think im one of those low tenors destroying vocal cords since i can push my chest voice up to A4 but i can't even reach C5. Makes me wonder what kind of mix i should develop either heady or chesty mix to achieve that meaty sounding C5.
@@moonshine3781 I hit C5 with head voice and I just shape it to sound like I want it through vowels and such.
Here's the video about it: czcams.com/users/shortshekERdQLxBw?feature=share
Don't think of developing chesty mix or anything like that. Mixed voice is about gradually transitioning and the pitch will determine how much head voice vs chest voice should be there according to your voice and where your breaks are
Cheers