F100 Lowered for $65 Explorer Coil Swap FAQ
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- This is a FAQ about the explorer coil spring option modification and or swap on 1965-1979 ford f series trucks with 2wd twin I beam suspension.
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Just did the explorer spring swap on my '77 f150 after watching your video. Can't thank you enough. They went right on and lowered the height nicely. Having the extra spring coil doesn't hurt my feelings either.
Glad you’re happy with them
I have often wonderd about camber angle when employing this method of drop. You're the first, that I have heard, to address it. Thanks.
Brother this is a great vid. I seriously don't want to buy beams for my 78. I'm gonna go this route and will update when done. Thanks for tackling this and sharing solid insight.
Hey thx 🙏 keep me posted. Hit me up
With any questions
@FORDF100WORLD By CraigerCo def will. Been subbed forever. Have a 78 f100 302 I've essentially stripped bare and redone. Still has moronic t18 I need to replace with an AOD and still has 1 wheel peel. I have installed djm rear drop shackles with new hardware shocks and springs. Haven't touched front yet but want to do it somewhat right without dropping a grand on those beams. The 302 is strong with a complete edelbrock topend. I have a few vids of him on my page. Also it was a flareside and I put a somewhat temporary wooden bed on it as the bedsides were 99% shot. They're not repopped so I have to bite the bullet and get the rust repaired on them. Then I'll put the ass back on it. Runs like a m seeking m twink at an FLDS priesthood conference though.
Outstanding video!
Thank You!
Hey glad u like it
Cool... Thanks for the info. Great channel
Hey thx, please share, subscribe and all that 😜👍🏼
@@FordF100World 👍I did
Mr. Fix It thx 😎
I've cut 3 pairs of springs to get the correct height , a little too much and I would get that neg camber look . Hell no ! And a lot of bounce regardless of the shocks.
Gonna get explorer coils for my f100. Rock auto has to sets of MOOG coils. Wondering which ones I should use. One is a cc868 and the other is a cc870. The 868 is about inch shorter and is for a 4x4. What’s everyone using?
there is a shop in monroe louisiana that still does proper alignments on these trucks. that is where i take my 69 rangee
Great video. Just installed the explorer springs on my '79 F100 and the ride height looks great. What size bump stop did you use and did you have any problems with the spring coming unseated from the upper mount? May be over thinking here but considering a limiting strap to keep everything together.
I haven’t needed a strap and I’ve driven it 10k miles or miles.
Sean Davis look up polyurethane no stops on eBay and pick which one like 👍🏼
Hey man great video! I actually found you on one of the truck forums then here. Just ordered my coils for my 66. Thinking of cutting one coil off as well. Should get me around 3 inches correct? One more question for clarification. Is the 66 Perch ok or does the top one still to be swapped for a 70's model?
I’d use the ones with no lip. It’s easier to move the spring once seared, like when u want to cut the coil.
I recommend installing the springs and put a few miles on them before u cut coils. So the springs can settle (don’t forget to tighten the bug bolt after settling.
I recommend this cause I’ve notice drops have varied from not much to a lot on different builds. Lots of variables.
Also you’ll need to get shorter bump
Stops once you’ve cut the coil.hit me up on FordF100World on Facebook 👍🏼
Nice video, thanks for posting. I have a ‘67 F100 I’m going to try these on. It already has dream beams, but needs to be a little bit lower for my taste. One nice thing I notice is these explorer springs are smaller diameter. The stock coils hit and rub on the dropped portion of the dream beams, so the smaller diameter spring will give more clearance. Another suggestion that I will do, is to take a torch and heat and bend upper and lower the ends of the spring to open it slightly, to match the diameter of stock spring. This will allow the new spring to sit in the upper and lower seats better. The spring sits flat so it won’t be affected from heating.
HV Speed if u need it even lower, definitely wait to cut the coils till the springs have settled 👍🏼 just my 2 cents
HV Speed and thx 👍🏼
CraigerCoClassics Your welcome. I’m probably not going to cut any coils, should be low enough. What I may have to do, is correct the camber in the dream beams. I’m already at 0 camber. I will make a pie cut in the square tube portion of the beams, set correct camber and re weld. Did you say that with an uncut spring it would net a 2 inch drop? I have a 390 engine.
HV Speed the inch’s dropped I’ve come to find out varies but 2 inchs is the most common drop, mine with stock beams and a 302 dropped 2 inches 👍🏼 Just remember it takes time to settle, then re tighten the bolts. If u do cut coils start with a quarter or a half coil 👍🏼
HV Speed you on FordF100World on Facebook? Great source to ask questions about this 👍🏼
do you just do this on the front springs or do you need 4 to cover all for tires.
Great info in your video. I know its 91 explorer springs, but which ones, the 2WD or 4WD? Thanks.
If prompted select 4wd
Great vid thanks ....my 69 F250 has the lip bottom mount not the round I like the lip so the lower mount cant move .....also fun fact lol....my 69 F250 camper special has a 7/8 king pin !!! What does that mean ? Alot of 250 owners are left out on dream beams and lowered I beams but 65-69 F250 unless you had the 8,500 front end had the same king pin size as a F100 so dream beams will fit a 65-69F250 and later years with 7/8 king pins just make sure the length is the same when ordered .
Hey I have a similar question regarding ur comment, I have a 71 camper special do you by chance know if that year also has a 7/8 king pin because I wanted to get John rod beams or dream beams thank you in advance
@@Danielxlopez as far as I know 65 - 72 the F250 only had the 7/8 king pin unless it was a 8,500 GVW or a crew cab . After 72 the application changed a lot 73 and up it is very common to see the bigger king pin on most F250 , there is a easy way to tell take the dust cover off the king pin the one with the grease fitting and measure the pin inside if it's around 0.84 0.85 then it's the 7/8 if it reads over 1" like 1.05 it's the bigger 1 1/16 king pin .
Also make sure your tie rod mounts from the bottom up not the top down the tie rod relocator that come with the drop beams does not fit if your tie rod mounts top down 👇.
@@Danielxlopez I installed DJM drop beams on my 69 F250 C/S without a issue I have the 7/8 king pin .
Maybe I missed it, but what did you do for spring difference? Since the driver and passenger are different height in the 68? Did you notice a drop on either side or did it sit level left and right?
I researched that so a lot and couldn’t find a definitive answer that the springs factory ones have a side. At least the ones you order now I believe that may have been a factory thing to compensate somebody being in the driver side I don’t know. I had zero issue with one side being higher, but when you get the explorer springs, you can always put them side-by-side and measure them. If you happen to find one that seems taller make that one your driver side one.
My one question is: what size engine do you have? I have FE engines which weigh a half ton (seems like)
The Damn Garage a friend of mine has a 460 in his 76 f250 and he’s been rocking it for a year or more. A bigger engine only lowers it more.
What have you done to your rear suspension? The stance of the truck looks great.
What most people do is grab some 1-2inch drop shackles off eBay 👍🏼
Which shackles?
With the explorer coils in front with out the cutting how much did it lower the front?
And what did you do to lower the rear?
I have a 73 F-350 camper special I want to lower
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you God bless
The average drop is 2”
Look up lowering shackles, the max drop is 2” without shimming the axle for the drive shaft angle
Wow, seems you have to keep answering the same questions over and over. Are people not watching the video before they start asking questions?
CraigerCoClassics haven,t i seen your truck on the F.T.E. web site .? i seem to remember a thread about using the Explorer springs.
lilorbie lilorbie yep that’s me lol
CraigerCoClassics i thought so. i got the info. about your you-tube channel from The Craig909. i sub. to his channel also. i just also subbed to yours as well. we gotta keep ahead of these chevy guys. lol
lilorbie lilorbie lol yaha amen to that. 😂
Where does the front sway bar mount to? Any tips on this would be great! Thanks
Most bolt to the twin I beams. Most have u drill a hole but I found some brackets and u-bolts. I chose Addco
Hey guys, what shocks are you running with the swap?! Part # thanks
Stock I beams? Any stock shock does the trick. I’m told even with drop beams stock shocks will work.
Do you think this would work on 80-96? And which end of the spring did you cut and how much drop would you say after you cut them?
Damien Hayes the top, 5in? If I had to guess. So I can’t say for sure if they would work on an 80s f series. But I know they still have the twin Ibeam. Just an updated version. Its possible they will work.
CraigerCoClassics I have a 91 shortbed and a 92 Explorer might try it but without cutting them 2-3in drop probably?
And I have deep offset wheels too don’t want to be too low and hit the tires or have to get different rims
I do not think Ford offered a V8 in an Explorer until 1996? Rockauto only shows a V6 91-94. Is this the correct spring?
Troublemaker427 👍🏼 thx for info. V6 then 👌🏼
Great video! Thanks for sharing.
Wouldn't just using springs cause camber issues on twin I beams
Alabama Saint the short answer is no. It actually brings the camber closer to 0 degrees. There’s a small chance u may have to adjust toe angle once installed.
What about ride quality? Does it get softer, firmer?
camoreno302 it improved the ride quality a bit. Nothing like a cv swap or anything 😜
@UCS8pqCUvirX878w_9KNgAcA I have some questions, I am going to do this on my 78 with a 351 in it. For the rear, what did you use to drop it and did you do frame work? The front has be concerned about total drop. My tires are the same diameter as yours and I want mine to look exactly like yours ride height wise. You say you cut 1 coil off, from what end of the spring?
Anthony Taylor I’ve done nothing in the back. If this helps, I have 10inch wide tire in the front and they do not rub after I’ve installed the explorer springs and cut 1 coil off. Worst that happen to me was I had to run small frame bump stops and I had to adjust toe angle
@@FordF100World Alright perfect, I think I'm going to go this route, I have slightly smaller width tires for the front but will run 11" rears due to my setup. I think I'll need a rest drop shackle kit then, your very appreciated sir!
How are you doing this without caster camber way out when looking at it
Caster isn’t affected, camber goes closer to 0 degrees I personally did have to adjust toe angle. But I figured needed that before I swapped in the Springs.
Did you have any camber problems after cutting the coils
Nope it actually brought the camber closer to 0 degrees. So less tire wear👍🏼
I did have to adjust my toe on my drag link a bit
What front sway bar are you running?
PT LS addco, they’ve changed the design and part number. I highly recommend it 👍🏼
What year explorer springs will work?
select 91’ 👍🏼
So running the explorer springs won’t cause any camber issues?
Angel Luna nope it slows the camber close to 0 degrees 👍🏼 u may have to adjust your toe angle a bit
Shaughn Pieterse 91 era
Yeah so in the US you’ll need to find:
1991
Ford explorer
4x4
v8
Shoot me an email if u want me to buy and ship one to u CraigerCoClassic@ail.com
So would it work if you found explorer springs like coil overs? Or lowering springs for the explorer?
What year?
@@FordF100World so i found 91-94 springs but they claim to be "super duty" they physically look thicker though..
Oh gotchia, so u are asking if the super duty springs will lower for ford truck?
@@FordF100World yes originally my question was if I found ford lowering springs or coilover would they fit but they are just as expensive..now I found those super duty springs and I'm curious if those will do..it's a 390 motor
They will lower it yes. My advice is install them and let them settle. It u don’t like the drop and want more I’d cut a half coil at a time.
Hey so I put these springs in my 69 short bed. And lost a ton of steering radius when turning to the right. Any thoughts as to what happened and how to fix that?
Beau B really? First ive heard of it. What size wheels and tires?
CraigerCoClassics they’re the stock sized wheel and tire so 15x5 on the wheel and 215x75x15 on the tires
Beau B is the drag link dragging on the Radius arms?
Beau B here join this Facebook group and find me I’m the admin (Craig)
How did you get 5 lug disc? mine has 8 lug disc
DANTHECAR MAN found a 73 F100 or f150 and pulled the hole twin I beam
What rear lowering setup are you running?
Nothing as of now. Though I think a previous owner took a few leafs out of my leaf springs
CraigerCoClassics are you running the exact same springs in the front and rear.
What method did you use to lower the rear
dan hoy I’ve done nothing. But I think the previous owner took a few leafs out .
How much did u lower the rear and what did u do to lower it?
The previous owner took a couple leafs out of the spring. Not recommended I recommend looking up drop shackles.
What sway bars are you running?
Front and rear are by Addco the model numbers escape me. But last I looked they have changed/updated there designs for our trucks. Search “addco sway bar ford f100”. the front sway bar I highly recommend but the rear is someone useless unless u hail or tow with your truck. cause it is very heavy duty. I believe it was designed from the sway bars for “camper specials”.
CraigerCoClassics for the rear sway bar one off a 87 Bronco II is a direct bolt on. i had to drill out 2 holes on my frame because i did not want to use the metric bolts.
What sway bar do you recommend?
Addco👍🏼
any thaughts on this setup in a 1980's or bull nose f sereis there aso twin i beam
I’ve always wondered if they’re work with 80-90s twin I beam
@@FordF100World if I can find A cheap set I’ll try it on mine I have a 82 Stepside
What did you do to lower the rear
2inch Rear drop shackles. I got mine on eBay
Which shackles? I have a 57
You think 2001 explorer coils would work... if not.. what's the part number from rock auto that you used on the coils
vic highballer Search 1991 explorer 4x4 v8. I used the moog brand
How to lower the rear
Video coming soon lol look up drop shackles
Ikon industries offer a flip kit for the rear works great
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