@Harry. B. Renner. jr.You could first make sure you were replying to the right person before going off on them im sure. And even then i bet you your cvt "clutch is only a weighted cvt assembly with a centrifugal clutch. What i see here is a discussion of how he is going to make a automatic transmission soon. Not that he has.
Yea i get your point and thats true. But Take a look at old Saab 96 with a thing called "freewheel" Not shure of the translation on that, But the clutch on old Saab 96 anyway. A pretty cool thing for it's days. And yes, I'm an old mechanic of course.😆
@@KiriRose That is great, My first real job as a mechanic was on a merc shop as well. But that is about 25 years ago now. Man im starting to get old.. Anyway just a thought about the Saab clutch since it's pretty uncommon knowledge specially out side of Sweden i guess. Have a good day to you my fellow mechanic.👍
I have over 10 years of fulltime mechanic experience. I just wish they used a lathe. He also doesn't realize he is shifting without clutch and how that works. Well there is clutch called recluse which is both centrifugal and a manual clutch. Perfect for not stalling your dirtbike.
"They don't use them in cars" - Erm, Citroen 2CVs equipped with their "Trafficlutch" were a centrifugal clutch, so they did put them on cars... :) And Invacars too, they have centrifugal clutches...
This is creativity in action! I was actually quite surprised you guys had it dialed in that closely on the first try. I at least expected some experimentation with a few different sets of springs, or maybe even some counterweights before you were able to go for a cruise around town... Love vids like this where components are just fabbed up from nothing more than imagination. Here's to 'Ghetto-Rigging!' 🍻 👍
DAF used this system back in the 1970s in some models. If I remember correctly there were about 10 or 12 pads pivoted at one end around the flywheel inside a drum. As the revs increased, the pads swung out on the pivots grasping the inside of the drum. I love the way these guys will try anything.....seat of the pants mechanicing but our Russian friend is smarter than his humour lets on! Keep it up guys.
Awesome work! I just wanted to remind you, that you can change gears without disengaging the clutch (waiting for it to drop in rpm). After acceleration just let of the gas pedal while simultateously pushing the gear lever to neutral... in a small timeframe there is no load on the transmission - so you can get in neutral with ease. To engage the new gear you have to adjust the engine rpm with the gas pedal and if the rpm is matched - it should be possible to engage the gear. (Google helps) I wish you would do a follow up video: How fast can you accelerate by flooring it in first gear? How much wear can be seen on the brake shoes? _____________________________________________________ Maybe add weights to the brake shoes while also using a stronger spring. Spring force is linear while centrifugal force is square to the rpm. ==> That should improve the clutch torque capacity without slipping after it reached its engaging rpm (1200 - 1300).
They are trying to do this, the issue is that the helical gears make it very hard to pull it out of gear, as its holding it in when spinning , you hear how its 'holding onto second'
I usually upshift while cruising without using a clutch, you just drop out of gear a quarter second after stepping off the throttle, and keep a smooth pressure into the gear immediately above, and as the revs drop the synchros will kick in and you should be able to shift into next gear with little to no shudder. I usually do it around town from 3-4 on a long straight over a bridge
Thanks guys! You gave me inspiration to use these cheap Lada parts to build a centrifugal clutch to my project which has been a pain because there was no clutch at all between the motor and the load making motor starting difficult. It runs at steady 3000 RPM and 20 HP max. This clutch is excellent and works like a charm! Can't thank you enough!
I remember that the Citroën 2cv (3cv, Mehari and Ami 8) had centrifugal clutch. But this was used mainly when the car was stopped and you put the 1st gear without using the clutch. The fact was that this engine, a tiny 2 cylinder boxer, neded a lot of revs to function properly. The car had clutch pedal for the 2nd and other gears, you can used it or not, depending if you let the revs go down to change gears or not. I think that the Renault 4L had the same clutch, but I'm not sure. Great work! That Lada sounds like and old Citroën!!!
You care about a Supra..how cute you must be 12yrs old playing nfs one day your grow up. Just poking fun at you. But for real...supras are horrible and in my opinion all of them should have been junked with cash for clunkers.
Wow finaly found something about this stuff. As a big Lada fan i'm considering to do this on my own because i can't use cluntch well. I was sceptic about the capability to move the car. Now is time to make some dynamic calculations and get to work. With a proper driving wear shouldn't be big problem.
Haven't watched the video but isn't that the opposite of what it should do?, a normal car slowes to a stop when you let off the gas, since the engine is being turned by the tires withouy the gas or air needed for combustion, basically the engine is just acting as a useless air compressor, slowing the car, add a centrifugal clutch and now the tires can't spin the engine taking much longer for the car to slow down under no throttle, since the only losses are now in friction in the trans, diff, and tires to road
@sw4gr1d Yeah they don't make 2 stroke cars... Maybe once upon a time there was a wild and whacky 2 stroke but no... A 2 stroke will lubricate itself when ever it is running, regardless if your using it for engine breaking or not. I'm not sure you understand how a 2 stroke engine works.
@sw4gr1d Most automatic cars have a sprag clutch in the transmission and will just freewheel when you lift off the accelerator, at least in the lower gears. I believe this was done mostly to ensure a smoother drive in low gear (you're probably familiar with the way a manual can shudder and jerk when you make a bad shift in low gear).
I swear these guys are SO underrated! I love how they got this to actually work! And it's friggin funny he goes from "The shifting sucks" to "It drives very nicely!" all within about ten seconds LOL
My 1971 VW Beetle semi automatic uses the same idea. 3 speed manual with no clutch pedal but uses a torque converter and an electrically controlled vacuume powered automatic clutch that applies the clutch when you touch the gearstick to allow you to change gears without it binding up or holding in gear like this one was doing
Truly genius, this makes for a perfect clutchless system conversion for manual cars for those of us who love manual cars but hate clutch shifting. If u were to make more of these centrifugal clutch conversion kits for any type of car or truck people would go nuts for then, they would save lots of money and time not having to replace traditional clutchs all the time. If u ever get into making custom customer request orders for these clutchless centrifugal systems, count me in, i kill to have one for my cars.
Bloody clever and worked fine - They did actually use the same setup in DaF 33, the little dutch car, but it also had a variable belt for the gearing - so an early constant velocity gearbox. Also I believe VW used a similar setup in VW Beetle automatics and they used manual gearchange for that as a semi automatic ( I think that was centrifugal clutch in that too?). Either way, a very clever homebuild job and it worked - You have some bright people in Garage 54, and the fabrication skills from those youngsters are amazing
Had me a little blue DAF some thirty years ago. I think it was a 750cc with that crazy belt drive CVT... Funny how that DAF transmission is basically the standard automatic now.
In a way, your clutch system is working like a Laycock De Normanville Overdive Unit, the difference being that the OD Unit operates hydraulically, whereas your method is centrifugal force. Try replacing your centrifugal clutch with an overdrive Unit, but you would need to arrange the hydraulic pump pressure to achieve drive. On a Laycock OD Unit, the other difference is that the friction material and Drum are always wet-lubricated with Hydraulic Fluid, and this makes the OD Unit last a long time. Hydraulic oil removes the friction heat. Please try this instead of your Centrifugal Clutch. I think that fitting of a Laycock OD Unit would work perfectly, as everything in the OD Unit is perfectly balanced - meaning no vibration at all. I was amazed that your Lada could be driven so well on the centrifugal clutch, and at tickover, at speed, the car would 'coast' freely - saving gas! Love your vids. Greetings from Australia, land of glasnost!
Centrifugal clutches were used in old lightweight drag cars and still in some drag bikes. But they are only expected to last the day at best. Nice work guys!
I love it! Russian way: Let's just cut, grind, and weld this shit together. American way: There is a metal 3D Printing shop. Let's take it there and pick it up tomorrow.
Coveralls and flip flops...now you're talking shop safety. He's a man after my own heart. Keep up the good work fellas! Love these videos. Nothing like them anywhere else.
It's pretty cool actually. I was thinking that you can archieve a similar thing using a normal clutch. Just use oil pressure to control the clutch operation, to elevate the oil presure the engine needs to rev up, put a release valve in the throttle assembly, so when you release the gas pedal, the clutch desenganges inmediately, so you can change gears more easy without waiting the engine to rev down. The only problem that i found is when you are in a hill and the engine rpm's aren't enough to keep the clutch enganged. But i think is a great solution for traffic jams, city driving and eldery people, your left leg suffers too much when are in a traffic jam lol
So this would be a very useful device to use while teaching young people or kids how to drive a manual transmission. Because it teaches how to listen to the engine, and where engagement is. Very interesting, I was skeptical at first that it would work.
actually brilliant. as large as possible brake drum that will fit in the bell housing, weights and springs aimed at 1450-1500 rpm it would probably feel "correct". the single pivot point on the shoes is awkward for wear, two slide rails (=) may work nicer so the drum and pads can engage same+full diameter, maximum surface area of both shoes. this deserves a "re-visit". it would require machining slots into the flywheel to locate the slides accurately, press fit and weld. same for cutting slots in the brake shoes for them to slide out, typical brake shoe retainer springs "could" be used, if the slides had a "T" shape at proper height those retainer springs may be unnecessary. in a light 2 seat car this might last a long time.
It works almost the same as a cvt transmission does . Except you have to change gears . And a cvt transmission you don’t have to . Some of the newer car have the cvt transmissions in them . Work like a skidoo or chainsaw. The higher you rev. It the faster you go . Nice job guys !!! Really like your videos .
You REALLY REALLY haven't spent much time on forklifts. Because MOST HAVE solid rubber tires and the electric ones have like a solid vinyl type of stuff. VERY few below 4 ton have pneumatic tires.
What if you make the drum be always in contact with the pads.. then use the clutch pedal to retract the pads when shifting gears, just a reverse of how a brake system operates.. Or will it seize to be a centrifugal clutch set-up when you do that?
@@joefromravenna definitely, we've got high power Soviet resistors at work literally built by winding a bunch of wire on an asbestos block, ofc factory made with nameplates and everything
@@tamer27antepli Yea, been doing mechanic work over 40 yrs, we used to use compressed air, to blow the asbestos out of brake drums. How I lived this long, I'll never know.
like all experiments they built some they sold some the biggest problem came with engine braking on steep hills putting it from 4th to 3rd the clutch imediately bites and sends the revs to heaven the engine will break fun times
You can pull the gear out easily. Apply gentle pressure towards neutral, then ease off the throttle. In the moment the gears do not transmit any power they will let you pull it out. Then to shift to next gear you have to rev-match. With some practice it is possible to estimate how much you have to reduce the throttle, but in synchronized gearboxes this gives the synchronizers solid beating anyways. If that were an unsynchronized gearbox, it would have been much easier :).
Most YT car channels, make sure that the drive-line is perfectly balanced. Garage 54, Lets just weld/bolt a bunch of stuff to the flywheel/trans input. LOL That is why this channel is awesome never worried just make it happen.
I had the clutch cable break when I was halfway across town. It made for an interesting trip shifting without the clutch pedal. I even drove it to the auto parts store to get another cable. The only problem was red lights and I would have to shift it down to first and shut off the motor and re-start it when the light turned green.
Back in early 80's, my father and I, changed the centrifugal clutch shoes on my mothers Daf 66. If I remember correctly there were 3 pivoting shoes, attached with springs into the center of the flywheel. She loved that car. Until it was totalled by a bin lorry
Sometime back in the late 60s we had a car with a torque converter driven clutch in front of a manual 3 speed transmission, I think it was called a Pontiac a torqueflite. You had a clutch pedal to shift with but yet you could come to a stop without having to depress the clutch and then would take off just like your centrifugal when you gave it the gas. Of course it took off better in 1st gear man 3rd. Really what I think it was, is a wet centrifuge inside a automatic transmission looking torque converter.
I enjoy these videos to the point I am thinking about learning to speak Russian lol. These are guys that I could see myself hanging out with. Great guys, great channel, and amazing videos. Keep up the great work guys.
Paused at 5:26 to make a prediction, that being: LOTS of smoke and not much GO !! Edit. Done watching. I'm Impressed !! I thought the 2 pivot bolts would break or bend, or the pads on the brake shoes (clutch) would self destruct. Awesome !!
TheDailyBiker He never compared the wealth of the US to Europe, he was simply stating that most Europeans drive little shit boxes because they cant afford anything better. Also, why did you take what he said as such a personal attack, despite the fact that what he said was true. Also, why do you have to take everything and spin it in a way to shit on America? Does it really make you feel better? Because if so, you are a sad, and worthless waste of a human.
Reminds me of the Volkswagen 'autostick' or automatic stickshift. Vaccume operated clutch behind a torque converter. Push down on shifter for clutch, sent a signal to vaccume source to engage clutch, 3 forward gears, brake lights also engaged clutch
excellent job guys!! A centrifugal clutch and the normal disc clutch would be great, for those situations where the first is very slow and the second very fast, and with the normal clutch to change gears at ease, it would be a kind of simple and resistant homemade CVT
They don't use that in cars because of different way of using it. Centrifugal clutch is great in start-stop mode, where you either run above threshold, or you idle below. With cars it's quite different as Wlad told. You have to let revs go down almost to idle to be able to shift, it's not acceptable in regular car usage. After all it's completely opposite to dynamic driving. I guess it would not be possible to really drive on higher revs just because you have to let it down to shift anyways. On the other hand I think it would look very interesting in racing application. Putting bigger springs will increase revs needed to engage, putting a bit more weight on pads will lower it but it will also make threshold much more noticeable. That's probably the issue with weird sound when it engages. For awhile it's not engaged enough. It's partially engaged because of weaker springs but not enough because of low weight. With bigger springs and more weight you would actually feel exact moment when it engages. And as I mentioned, centrifugal clutch is good in applications, where you can have clear threshold of engaging. It might be used for application in which you will only drive on high revs or it can be used only as slow babushka driver.
This is a cool DIY mod. I am sure it need perfection but for brake pads this seems to work really well for what they can do. I want a LADA, seems like a cool car.
DAF started using a centrifugal clutch combined with a variomatic in small cars in the late fifties, until Daf stopped building cars somewhere around 1980. I also saw someone mentioning the traffic clutch in 2cv's, a manual with a centrifugal clutch.
This was an awesome video , much love to my Russian backyard engineer's u guys create some awesome stuff , thanks for sharing from an American backyard engineer , id love to be able to come over and hang out at your shop !!! Some cool ppl and great ideas !!!
This guy is gonna make an automatic transmission soon.
If you took apart a th400 and just copied the design you would have a sturdy home made unit
@Harry. B. Renner. jr. Not really. This is a manual trans with a centrifugal clutch. A cvt trans is way different
@Harry. B. Renner. jr.You could first make sure you were replying to the right person before going off on them im sure. And even then i bet you your cvt "clutch is only a weighted cvt assembly with a centrifugal clutch. What i see here is a discussion of how he is going to make a automatic transmission soon. Not that he has.
@Harry. B. Renner. jr. true. But a cvt still requires a clutch of some sort or in my cars case a torque converter.
@Harry. B. Renner. jr. CVT is not a clutch. CVT is a variable belt drive.
A big semi truck brake drum and pads would never wear out and add some rotational mass making the initial launch smoother.
And said items are the same size as the gearbox itself
The poor little Lada motor have no power to turn it lol
You'd never fit it in the bell housing tho 😂
That would work better hur in this case those would be to big
Stack shoes together and make the drum deeper.
I think it’s just common knowledge in Russia to know how to disassemble a Lada
Haha nice
If the Lada does not kill them first.
Drive the Lada fast then jam it into reverse gear
Remove radiator Lada or replace radiator fluid with straight water and maxiumumrev
Drive Lada no head gasket
In Soviet Russia the torque converts you!
😂😂😂
.. The torque converts jew
That was to damn rich buddy! Lol lol lol lol lol lol lol
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Lol u stupid man,omfg i cant stop laughing!!!! That shit was good 👍
Welding in flip flops , Classic , I If you don’t like these guys , you don’t like yourself !
Safety third!
for me there are idiots who I hate, and there are idiots that make good content and make me laugh...
mexican style
Open safety shoes. 🤣
we had song about flip flops but i can remember
This dude actually does what most of us daydream about.
Normal Person: cool video
Mechanic: HOLY SHIT WTF HOW DID THEY EVEN THINK OF THIS. THIS IS MADNESS
Yea i get your point and thats true. But Take a look at old Saab 96 with a thing called "freewheel" Not shure of the translation on that, But the clutch on old Saab 96 anyway.
A pretty cool thing for it's days.
And yes, I'm an old mechanic of course.😆
@@Ankan.. cool been a mechanic since 10 years old, but my family's shop works with mercs, never considered that a car would have a centrifugal clutch
@@KiriRose That is great, My first real job as a mechanic was on a merc shop as well. But that is about 25 years ago now. Man im starting to get old.. Anyway just a thought about the Saab clutch since it's pretty uncommon knowledge specially out side of Sweden i guess.
Have a good day to you my fellow mechanic.👍
I have over 10 years of fulltime mechanic experience. I just wish they used a lathe. He also doesn't realize he is shifting without clutch and how that works. Well there is clutch called recluse which is both centrifugal and a manual clutch. Perfect for not stalling your dirtbike.
@@Fantaman900 kinda like the old cars and trucks that worked without a clutch huh? that good old sound they made "CHHHRshd"
One of the best episodes, best test so far...!pls take it apart and show us the wear.
"They don't use them in cars" - Erm, Citroen 2CVs equipped with their "Trafficlutch" were a centrifugal clutch, so they did put them on cars... :)
And Invacars too, they have centrifugal clutches...
I think some saabs had them also in clutchless manual. Was a massive fail.
I think you like HubNut - or - I think you'd like HubNut.
I'm subscribed to HubNut and also follow him on Twitter... :)
Wow, didn't know that, thanks for sharing the info.
@@twocvbloke haha it seemed likely :)
This is creativity in action! I was actually quite surprised you guys had it dialed in that closely on the first try. I at least expected some experimentation with a few different sets of springs, or maybe even some counterweights before you were able to go for a cruise around town... Love vids like this where components are just fabbed up from nothing more than imagination. Here's to 'Ghetto-Rigging!' 🍻 👍
DAF used this system back in the 1970s in some models. If I remember correctly there were about 10 or 12 pads pivoted at one end around the flywheel inside a drum. As the revs increased, the pads swung out on the pivots grasping the inside of the drum. I love the way these guys will try anything.....seat of the pants mechanicing but our Russian friend is smarter than his humour lets on! Keep it up guys.
The Daf Daffodil also use variable belt drive, that also acted as a limited slip dif - a brilliant design.
Awesome work!
I just wanted to remind you, that you can change gears without disengaging the clutch (waiting for it to drop in rpm).
After acceleration just let of the gas pedal while simultateously pushing the gear lever to neutral... in a small timeframe there is no load on the transmission - so you can get in neutral with ease.
To engage the new gear you have to adjust the engine rpm with the gas pedal and if the rpm is matched - it should be possible to engage the gear.
(Google helps)
I wish you would do a follow up video:
How fast can you accelerate by flooring it in first gear?
How much wear can be seen on the brake shoes?
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Maybe add weights to the brake shoes while also using a stronger spring.
Spring force is linear while centrifugal force is square to the rpm.
==> That should improve the clutch torque capacity without slipping after it reached its engaging rpm (1200 - 1300).
They are trying to do this, the issue is that the helical gears make it very hard to pull it out of gear, as its holding it in when spinning , you hear how its 'holding onto second'
Anyone thay drives a roadranger knows you can change gears without a clutch hahahaha
I usually upshift while cruising without using a clutch, you just drop out of gear a quarter second after stepping off the throttle, and keep a smooth pressure into the gear immediately above, and as the revs drop the synchros will kick in and you should be able to shift into next gear with little to no shudder. I usually do it around town from 3-4 on a long straight over a bridge
I used to do this with my 90 Toyota pickup. The clutch was almost completely gone so I only used it for first and reverse. Worked like a charm.
I'm glad you translation this video, this is by far one of the most interesting you've done!
Yeah, for sure
Thanks guys! You gave me inspiration to use these cheap Lada parts to build a centrifugal clutch to my project which has been a pain because there was no clutch at all between the motor and the load making motor starting difficult. It runs at steady 3000 RPM and 20 HP max. This clutch is excellent and works like a charm! Can't thank you enough!
I remember that the Citroën 2cv (3cv, Mehari and Ami 8) had centrifugal clutch. But this was used mainly when the car was stopped and you put the 1st gear without using the clutch.
The fact was that this engine, a tiny 2 cylinder boxer, neded a lot of revs to function properly.
The car had clutch pedal for the 2nd and other gears, you can used it or not, depending if you let the revs go down to change gears or not.
I think that the Renault 4L had the same clutch, but I'm not sure.
Great work! That Lada sounds like and old Citroën!!!
So we just gonna ignore the supra chilling in the background...
U can't mis it..
would rather see them hack it up to do experiments on than all those poor ladas...
@clifton559 well it's sure can take some abuse ...
@@eriksimca9409 oh nah mate ... Yea cars are meant for use and abuse .. but not that kind of abuse
You care about a Supra..how cute you must be 12yrs old playing nfs one day your grow up. Just poking fun at you. But for real...supras are horrible and in my opinion all of them should have been junked with cash for clunkers.
Oh that’s genius! Now you have a semi automatic transmission! They oughta make a kit for cars! I’d keep it like that. Keep up the great work!
Wow finaly found something about this stuff. As a big Lada fan i'm considering to do this on my own because i can't use cluntch well. I was sceptic about the capability to move the car. Now is time to make some dynamic calculations and get to work. With a proper driving wear shouldn't be big problem.
It's a NFS car now, it stops when you let go of the gas :d
That hurts! :))))
Haven't watched the video but isn't that the opposite of what it should do?, a normal car slowes to a stop when you let off the gas, since the engine is being turned by the tires withouy the gas or air needed for combustion, basically the engine is just acting as a useless air compressor, slowing the car, add a centrifugal clutch and now the tires can't spin the engine taking much longer for the car to slow down under no throttle, since the only losses are now in friction in the trans, diff, and tires to road
@sw4gr1d you can engine brake on a 2 stroke trust me I do it all the time, you just wide open throttle and kill spark, keeps lube but has no bang
@sw4gr1d Yeah they don't make 2 stroke cars... Maybe once upon a time there was a wild and whacky 2 stroke but no... A 2 stroke will lubricate itself when ever it is running, regardless if your using it for engine breaking or not. I'm not sure you understand how a 2 stroke engine works.
@sw4gr1d Most automatic cars have a sprag clutch in the transmission and will just freewheel when you lift off the accelerator, at least in the lower gears. I believe this was done mostly to ensure a smoother drive in low gear (you're probably familiar with the way a manual can shudder and jerk when you make a bad shift in low gear).
I swear these guys are SO underrated! I love how they got this to actually work! And it's friggin funny he goes from "The shifting sucks" to "It drives very nicely!" all within about ten seconds LOL
Using a Plasma cutter, just wearing sandals. Mind-Blowing!!
in russia of all places
My 1971 VW Beetle semi automatic uses the same idea. 3 speed manual with no clutch pedal but uses a torque converter and an electrically controlled vacuume powered automatic clutch that applies the clutch when you touch the gearstick to allow you to change gears without it binding up or holding in gear like this one was doing
i thought of this idea so much when i was a kid and i love it... they made my childhood dream a reality.
Same here, I just didn't and don't have the means to do so. Glad they put it practically too.
Yeah me too
Truly genius, this makes for a perfect clutchless system conversion for manual cars for those of us who love manual cars but hate clutch shifting. If u were to make more of these centrifugal clutch conversion kits for any type of car or truck people would go nuts for then, they would save lots of money and time not having to replace traditional clutchs all the time. If u ever get into making custom customer request orders for these clutchless centrifugal systems, count me in, i kill to have one for my cars.
The amount of effort and knowledge this channel gives is incredible.. they give it 107% every time
Bloody clever and worked fine - They did actually use the same setup in DaF 33, the little dutch car, but it also had a variable belt for the gearing - so an early constant velocity gearbox. Also I believe VW used a similar setup in VW Beetle automatics and they used manual gearchange for that as a semi automatic ( I think that was centrifugal clutch in that too?). Either way, a very clever homebuild job and it worked - You have some bright people in Garage 54, and the fabrication skills from those youngsters are amazing
Had me a little blue DAF some thirty years ago. I think it was a 750cc with that crazy belt drive CVT...
Funny how that DAF transmission is basically the standard automatic now.
@@citizenzero6140 Haha - Full throttle and lots of noise as I recall - Those were the days eh!
@@GHOOGLEMALE 100%!🤪
In a way, your clutch system is working like a Laycock De Normanville Overdive Unit, the difference being that the OD Unit operates hydraulically, whereas your method is centrifugal force. Try replacing your centrifugal clutch with an overdrive Unit, but you would need to arrange the hydraulic pump pressure to achieve drive. On a Laycock OD Unit, the other difference is that the friction material and Drum are always wet-lubricated with Hydraulic Fluid, and this makes the OD Unit last a long time. Hydraulic oil removes the friction heat. Please try this instead of your Centrifugal Clutch. I think that fitting of a Laycock OD Unit would work perfectly, as everything in the OD Unit is perfectly balanced - meaning no vibration at all. I was amazed that your Lada could be driven so well on the centrifugal clutch, and at tickover, at speed, the car would 'coast' freely - saving gas! Love your vids. Greetings from Australia, land of glasnost!
Actually not a bad concept :-D
If you want to replace the pads every 5000 km.... And they are much harder to get to than the usual wheeled placed ones.
@@erikziak1249 ...and also deal with the terrible smell it would probably give off... especially cruising in 4th at low rpms.
it has some flaws imagine getting down steep hill you will have 0 engine brake
Centrifugal clutches were used in old lightweight drag cars and still in some drag bikes. But they are only expected to last the day at best. Nice work guys!
It must be quite an improvement on the regular Lada heavy clutch.
I have ridden several motorcycles with a centrefugal clutch but the gearbox was a constant mesh gearbox great idea you are an amazing mechanic
I'm more Impressed you took this thing on public roads
dangerous to drive if untested, the centrifugal clutch may get stuck
@@omegarugal9283 Yeah but if that happens, you just pull over and stall the engine. As long as the brakes still work, no problem.
I love it!
Russian way: Let's just cut, grind, and weld this shit together.
American way: There is a metal 3D Printing shop. Let's take it there and pick it up tomorrow.
Indeed! Fat and lazy american´s dont do anything by themself.
Ritsasaatana yea cuz this russian is paper thin..
@@mikecorleone6797 Having a hamburger?
Ritsasaatana nope
you know not all americans are like that right?
Now I know why them Russians was first in space
Spaceship also was made from lada
Coveralls and flip flops...now you're talking shop safety. He's a man after my own heart. Keep up the good work fellas! Love these videos. Nothing like them anywhere else.
Greetings from Finland :) glad it worked! Your work rocks!
“Ghetto rigging”
Ah yes, the universal language!
One place I worked, we called it, "Afro-engineering."
@@eclectichoosier5474 I've also heard it called mechaniksky.
Kongo rigging
"The Poor Man's (x)"
it's basically a torque converter without oil
that doesn't convert (multiply) torque 😉. Maybe a fluidless fluid flywheel
Probably would have the same kind of feel as the "fluid couplings" of the 1950's
Mopeds use the same technology.
Wonder if a torque converter could be fitted to a manual transmission. That would be really interesting
@@petarmiletic997 A guy on CZcams here fitted a torque converter to a small engine and then a manual lawn mower trans on a motorbike.
this is fascinating! if these guys had a lathe and a vertical mill they could make a perfect kit!
This is honestly amazing. I have never thought of this. With some further modification, they could get it really dialed in.
It's pretty cool actually. I was thinking that you can archieve a similar thing using a normal clutch. Just use oil pressure to control the clutch operation, to elevate the oil presure the engine needs to rev up, put a release valve in the throttle assembly, so when you release the gas pedal, the clutch desenganges inmediately, so you can change gears more easy without waiting the engine to rev down.
The only problem that i found is when you are in a hill and the engine rpm's aren't enough to keep the clutch enganged. But i think is a great solution for traffic jams, city driving and eldery people, your left leg suffers too much when are in a traffic jam lol
@@missingno3617 what if you was to switch from a regular clutch to a centrifugal clutch? That would be awesome
So this would be a very useful device to use while teaching young people or kids how to drive a manual transmission. Because it teaches how to listen to the engine, and where engagement is. Very interesting, I was skeptical at first that it would work.
I swear, I would buy that lada from you!
A freaking centrifugal clutch!
Just learn to use a regular clutch. It's easy
actually brilliant. as large as possible brake drum that will fit in the bell housing, weights and springs aimed at 1450-1500 rpm it would probably feel "correct". the single pivot point on the shoes is awkward for wear, two slide rails (=) may work nicer so the drum and pads can engage same+full diameter, maximum surface area of both shoes. this deserves a "re-visit".
it would require machining slots into the flywheel to locate the slides accurately, press fit and weld. same for cutting slots in the brake shoes for them to slide out, typical brake shoe retainer springs "could" be used, if the slides had a "T" shape at proper height those retainer springs may be unnecessary. in a light 2 seat car this might last a long time.
Finally you are (kinda )fixing a beautiful car like a lada instead of destroying it
Calling a lada beautiful is a stretch
Zues Toots it is beautiful, it’s a oldtimer with nice chrome and character
It works almost the same as a cvt transmission does . Except you have to change gears . And a cvt transmission you don’t have to . Some of the newer car have the cvt transmissions in them . Work like a skidoo or chainsaw. The higher you rev. It the faster you go . Nice job guys !!! Really like your videos .
Put forklift solid tires and see how its driving with them
Rough ride, if you're using actual solid (cushion) tires.
Much better to use solid-pneumatic forklift tires.
Would like to see it. No flats.
He already used manholes as wheels!!!
@@-XXXXXX- hahaha right, that was funny 😆😆😆
@Mike Anderson about putting concrete in the tires I think it was in this channel, but my curiosity is how solid rubber tires would behave in a car.
You REALLY REALLY haven't spent much time on forklifts. Because MOST HAVE solid rubber tires and the electric ones have like a solid vinyl type of stuff. VERY few below 4 ton have pneumatic tires.
Ok.We create a centrifugal clutch out of a brake drum.Let's do this.
😳...and the whole thing rocks!👍👍👍Greetings from germany!
nice homemade semi-automatic transmission
Semi auto clutch, manual gear selection....like nothing else.
people called it sequential gearbox.
Could this be the first episode where a Lada was not destroyed ? This was a great experiment BTW.
How about an electric car driven by four starter motors and starter ring/ flywheels four wheel drive love the crazyness
What if you make the drum be always in contact with the pads.. then use the clutch pedal to retract the pads when shifting gears, just a reverse of how a brake system operates..
Or will it seize to be a centrifugal clutch set-up when you do that?
kinda like driving an auto trans with a manual valve body
More like a manual trans with a torque converter 😂
Or the auto trans in the sadomasochistic (S/M) setting.
In the 1960 's VW had a beetle with a similair sytem. A gearstick but no cluthpedal.
Semiautomatic. British buses were commonly set up like it.
Those had torque converters and manually-controlled planetary gearboxes (which could not shift under load; you needed to shift through neutral).
@@ellenorbjornsdottir1166 the principal remains the same, however, like everything the English touch they managed to over design it.
@@michelebeck4311 youtube search "they don't grow on trees bus". you might get the video i am refering to
@@michelebeck4311 Nevermind, the video I am referring to got copyright struck.
I love it if vlad's project/ideas works
Guys.. watch out with the angle grinder and stuff inside the clutch and brakes , it might be asbestos..
If it was soviet made then i guarantee it to contain asbestos.
@@joefromravenna definitely, we've got high power Soviet resistors at work literally built by winding a bunch of wire on an asbestos block, ofc factory made with nameplates and everything
Musta been a new viewer when this was posted. It doesn't appear safety is really high on the list in this garage.
@@treeguyable i watch them for years, asbestosis is def no joke man
@@tamer27antepli Yea, been doing mechanic work over 40 yrs, we used to use compressed air, to blow the asbestos out of brake drums. How I lived this long, I'll never know.
This is a ghetto torque converter for a manual transmission. I like it. It works just some fine tuning and I'd bet one can make that really nice.
They used to fit something called a "traffclutch" in some of the Citroen 2CV's...
But I don't know if it was successful.
like all experiments they built some they sold some the biggest problem came with engine braking on steep hills putting it from 4th to 3rd the clutch imediately bites and sends the revs to heaven the engine will break fun times
@The devil Made me do it Thats a lot of hate. Must be fun at parties.
@Phillip Aubin Can I ask what country you originate from?
these guys never cease to amaze me with what they think of doing, and actually do.
2:38 Grinding without safety cap, bare feet on Jesus Nikes..
Only in Russia 💖💖💖😎👍
Snowflakes will never survive in Russia.
J B. What? Russia is pretty cold in winter.
Jamie Bales you missed the joke but you did in the best way ever
Ahmed. I guess sarcasm within text is almost undetectable. ;) I know how the right wing "I'm big and tough on internet" trolls define that word.
That's proper Russian ghetto rigging technique.
You can pull the gear out easily. Apply gentle pressure towards neutral, then ease off the throttle. In the moment the gears do not transmit any power they will let you pull it out. Then to shift to next gear you have to rev-match. With some practice it is possible to estimate how much you have to reduce the throttle, but in synchronized gearboxes this gives the synchronizers solid beating anyways. If that were an unsynchronized gearbox, it would have been much easier :).
a box with dogclutches would be perfect
NOT TO SHABBY WITHOUT THE USE OF A LATHE
Most YT car channels, make sure that the drive-line is perfectly balanced.
Garage 54, Lets just weld/bolt a bunch of stuff to the flywheel/trans input. LOL
That is why this channel is awesome never worried just make it happen.
brilliant!!!
I had the clutch cable break when I was halfway across town. It made for an interesting trip shifting without the clutch pedal. I even drove it to the auto parts store to get another cable. The only problem was red lights and I would have to shift it down to first and shut off the motor and re-start it when the light turned green.
the dutch daf used a centrufugal cluttch also citroen 2cv did sometimes
Back in early 80's, my father and I, changed the centrifugal clutch shoes on my mothers Daf 66. If I remember correctly there were 3 pivoting shoes, attached with springs into the center of the flywheel. She loved that car. Until it was totalled by a bin lorry
Sometime back in the late 60s we had a car with a torque converter driven clutch in front of a manual 3 speed transmission, I think it was called a Pontiac a torqueflite. You had a clutch pedal to shift with but yet you could come to a stop without having to depress the clutch and then would take off just like your centrifugal when you gave it the gas. Of course it took off better in 1st gear man 3rd. Really what I think it was, is a wet centrifuge inside a automatic transmission looking torque converter.
If you added a freewheeling part between the clutch and the transmission, it would have released fine.
i was thinking the same...
I enjoy these videos to the point I am thinking about learning to speak Russian lol. These are guys that I could see myself hanging out with. Great guys, great channel, and amazing videos. Keep up the great work guys.
Garage 54 is so innovative 👍
I always look to your channel for the oddball project and you guys do not ever disappoint. Your channel is one of the best. Greetings from America.
Dude brave working on that with flip flops on
*Russian safety sandals
Paused at 5:26 to make a prediction, that being: LOTS of smoke and not much GO !!
Edit. Done watching. I'm Impressed !! I thought the 2 pivot bolts would break or bend, or the pads on the brake shoes (clutch) would self destruct.
Awesome !!
What’s the deal with the fast & furious supra ? Also we’re can I get some Russian safety sandals
Russia made
Trv
More than a year following you and you still answer questions I don’t happen to wonder about, keep going, best channel ever made!
US viewers: "what the fck is that third pedal and stick in the middle?!?" :D
@Phillip Aubin because they can you imbecile
We live in your head rent free.
@Phillip Aubin Are you implying that Europeans buy stick shifts because they can't afford automatics?
TheDailyBiker He never compared the wealth of the US to Europe, he was simply stating that most Europeans drive little shit boxes because they cant afford anything better. Also, why did you take what he said as such a personal attack, despite the fact that what he said was true. Also, why do you have to take everything and spin it in a way to shit on America? Does it really make you feel better? Because if so, you are a sad, and worthless waste of a human.
I know right I'm American live in the US and a lot of people don't drive sticks.. I only owned stick six of my cars were that
Reminds me of the Volkswagen 'autostick' or automatic stickshift. Vaccume operated clutch behind a torque converter. Push down on shifter for clutch, sent a signal to vaccume source to engage clutch, 3 forward gears, brake lights also engaged clutch
2:40. Russian safety boots looked like they were short a bit of leather🤔😂😂
excellent job guys!! A centrifugal clutch and the normal disc clutch would be great, for those situations where the first is very slow and the second very fast, and with the normal clutch to change gears at ease, it would be a kind of simple and resistant homemade CVT
Did someone say torque converter? Lol jk
This was an amazing video! Keep it up guys !!!!
I like this guy. Seems like a guy I’d like to hang out with and learn something from 🤙🏽
can we see a complete picture of the working parts
Driving this is a little like having Fluid Drive. What a great experiment. You guys are ingenious.
You should turn a front wheel drive car into a rear wheel drive car garage 54 style
When these guys aren't just goofing around, it is obvious what good engineers they are. Great!
I was expecting a wide open throttle launch in first gear with it
So did i..
Gedas Alekveravičius, I third that motion.
They don't use that in cars because of different way of using it. Centrifugal clutch is great in start-stop mode, where you either run above threshold, or you idle below. With cars it's quite different as Wlad told. You have to let revs go down almost to idle to be able to shift, it's not acceptable in regular car usage. After all it's completely opposite to dynamic driving. I guess it would not be possible to really drive on higher revs just because you have to let it down to shift anyways.
On the other hand I think it would look very interesting in racing application. Putting bigger springs will increase revs needed to engage, putting a bit more weight on pads will lower it but it will also make threshold much more noticeable. That's probably the issue with weird sound when it engages. For awhile it's not engaged enough. It's partially engaged because of weaker springs but not enough because of low weight. With bigger springs and more weight you would actually feel exact moment when it engages.
And as I mentioned, centrifugal clutch is good in applications, where you can have clear threshold of engaging. It might be used for application in which you will only drive on high revs or it can be used only as slow babushka driver.
one good thing about russian cars: infinite ways for mods
Van's. How tiny and easily accessible everything is. This is how shit used to be in the states
Atc's from the 80s and earlier use a similar type of system, with a wet centrifugal clutch to drive the gearbox.
grinding in sandals🤔
This is a cool DIY mod. I am sure it need perfection but for brake pads this seems to work really well for what they can do. I want a LADA, seems like a cool car.
*wipes glasses*
Is that a supra
*Supraski
Yeah probably an auto aswell
It's a lada, they turned it into a supra
DAF started using a centrifugal clutch combined with a variomatic in small cars in the late fifties, until Daf stopped building cars somewhere around 1980. I also saw someone mentioning the traffic clutch in 2cv's, a manual with a centrifugal clutch.
They destroy so much ladas, what will i drive when ill get lisence?
This is pure genius on a DIY scale. I'm in. Never ever thought about this before
Citroën used to install this kind of clutch.
no innovations made here, the Citroën 2CV indeed has a centrifugal clutch. : )
they should make this again with electronics (brakes).
This was an awesome video , much love to my Russian backyard engineer's u guys create some awesome stuff , thanks for sharing from an American backyard engineer , id love to be able to come over and hang out at your shop !!! Some cool ppl and great ideas !!!
dat Supra tho
You guys have gotten really high tech... Nothing like the work you did in your old small shop
8:42 A Russian Camaro