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I was expecting half a 4 cylinder gasoline engine and half a 4 cylinder diesel engine grafted together so 2 cylinders are gas and two are diesel. A real Frankenstein engine lol.
Same
This for next video, please.
I mean the engines are basically the same what would be the point
@@Baka_Oppai obviously combustion would be different
Yep that's what I was expecting too.
I would like to see a Lada fitted with a set of Japanese motorbike carbs, you could compare the difference to the twin Lada carbs.
How bout a V6.. one bank diesel, one bank gasoline 😁
cyl 1 gas, cyl 2, diesel cyl 3, gas, cyl 4 diesel giving it a balanced tick-over and under load running life...
Do you mean inlet manifold in the bin and a side draft straight into the port with some mikuni 40mm's, maybe run a little spacer so its not totally soaking the valve???
@@psychosis7325 I was thinking just swapping out the 1 to 4 inlet with individual inlets per carb. Your idea is also very good as it's direct to the cylinder rather than washing the valves but my immediate concern if that would be maybe too much of a performance increase and I'm not sure the Lada crank or bearings would handle those sorts of rpms for very long.
@@TheMrzekerz yah one side direct injection and the other side port or TBI and a different experiment or at least i was/and kinda still am is to different cylinder heads in my case one hemi and the other 906 mopar ( just for the wtf at car meats and confuse people lol 😂 ) as i wonder if it would throw a fit or now 2 valve + a 4 valve combo as well 🤔 and or something bonkers 👍
Run this same car but instead of feeding the two fuels separately, mix diesel into gasoline and see how much diesel you can add before the engine wont tolerate it anymore lol. Like make different ratios of gas to diesel and see what mix runs best.
you can do about 50-50 with no problem on a modern car.
@@mistaztreek I agree 👍
I believe Project Farm did that experiment way back
@@mistaztreek you cant put ANy notable amount of diesel in a petrol car with a Lambda sensor and catalytic converter fitted. the Diesel would destroy the cat so the ECU shuts down the engine as soon as the lambda sensor picks up on it. been there and done it!
@@petelattimer6808 false, look it Up in CZcams.
hope we get more experiments with the dual carbies, thats a good idea!
Right!
I think they may have accidentally increased the length of the intake runners and with the dual carb set up its closer to individual throttle bodies and closer to racecar!
Four pistons, four carbs, and four on the floor.
Next experiment: what is the best intake runner length for dual carbs? How to calculate the best runner length?
I'd like the see one carb per cylinder, so basically it would be like Fuel injection using a carb instead.
@@vilefly yo runner length has a huge effect on torque they could easily get a 20% increase in torque at any rpm they want by just sizing the runner length.
Volume and shape plays a factor but not as much as just raw length!
Hi G54 crew.
I work a lot with fuel tests, and could already see why this experiment was not going to do well. One of the bad assumptions was expecting heated diesel to perform better... It doesnt work like that unless the diesel is almost frozen, which cant happen unless bad quality or mixed with fats (biodiesel). And then if almost frozen will need special pumps to push it through to the carbs (not a chap squeezing a bottle :) )
What does work on a petrol vehicle, is a 10/90 up to a 20/80 mix of diesel/petrol.
I would love to see how a Lada performs on a larger ratio of diesel to petrol mix.
In many countries diesel is far cheaper than petrol, so 10-20% mix might help their pockets, unfortunately not where I live due to the proliferation of new generation diesel turbos.
Thanks for a extremely interesting channel.
What does cooling the diesel achieve? It would make the diesel vapourise worse and therefore work even worse?
Evaporation is a cooling process.
One of the laws of thermodynamics.
The evaporation temperature of 16 carbon chain hydrocarbons is around 650F and with milliseconds between fuel delivery and ignition, it won't be evaporating much.
Heating the diesel could reduce the viscosity some allowing for better atomization, but not much.
What this vehicle needed was fuel injection. What you NEED to burn diesel is a diesel.
@@carpediemarts705 lots of people think diesel needs high compression to burn when it will spark ignite provided it vapourises properly and the engine has a low enough compression ratio not to preignite the mixture
@@MiG21aholic 16 carbon chain molecules require a few hundred degrees to vaporize. Multi thousand psi injectors atomize.
This was a marginally poorly thought out build,
But hey, it's garage54
@@carpediemarts705 if tractors can run on kerosene with a exhaust manifold heated carburettor I'd say they could make a Lada run on diesel properly
Increase the compression ratio of 2 cilinders, to create a Hybrid Diesel/gasoline engine.
You guys converted an diesel engine to gasoline before, so it should be possible.
I think it'd still need high pressure direct injection and compression ignition to really get the full benefit of diesel fuel. Replacing the spark plugs with injectors on 2 cylinders and increasing the CR(longer rods?), would make it an actual hybrid. Would love to see that
Or perhaps it's easier to use a diesel as a base and convert 2 cylinders to gasoline.
@@lakiza55 longer rods would probably be too fragile unless they pick some beefy ones.
@@sampic_ yeah, diesel to gas is definitely the way to go, since it's a more robust design to begin with
thats a good one but it would run rough dont you think?
Try 4 carburetors setup and go to the dyno and compare with stock 1 carburetor.
Great job as always!
What you certainly found out was that a twin carb Lada running on 100% petrol is a monster. I’d continue with that idea!
I agree this thing sounds awesome.
They need 6 lada carbs for the in-line 12 ladzilla
yeah
Prior to WWII, many tractors in the US were spark ignition engines running on distillate, which is like a light diesel fuel. They were started on gasoline from a small fuel tank and then switched to distillate once warm. They also had the exhaust heat constantly heating the intake manifold. These engines were also low compression. Try putting 2 head gaskets to lower the compression ratio and heat the intake manifold to see if a Lada will run on winter grade diesel on all 4 cylinders.
Here's a video showing those old engine setups: czcams.com/video/ASlS_3S-ESU/video.html
My old farmall c. Ran on anything that flowed
The only comment that is correct on this so far
Hot rod the stuff out of the Lada and see how much power you can get out of it. 2carbs, 4 carbs, split exhaust, straight exhaust, turbo, nitrous........give it the works until she blows.
Keep up the good work guys!
Cheers
Terry from South Carolina USA
Back in 1976 I had an old Ford pickup with a flathead V8 that I started on gasoline then switched to 100% diesel after it warmed up. Did a lot of miles with that setup over 22 years.
You should get two lada inline 4 cylinders and convert them into one V8
For owerkill:Add to all cylinders single carb and then use 4 different fuel types:)
Being a neighbor near garage 54 would be interesting. I'd be like. It's garage 54, time to watch and learn.
You really need a "Priestman Vaporiser" but in lieu of that - Modify the exhaust flow, and the diesel manifold so that you can direct hot exhaust gases around the diesel manifold (build a jacket around the manifold). This will heat the manifold to help vaporise the diesel fuel. Also, you could add a series of metal rods across the insides of the manifold draught tubes before building the jacket - This would conduct heat directly into the throats of the manifold, and will directly vaporise the diesel fuel as it flows over them - Sections of 3mm or 4mm thick nails would suffice for the rods. This is how we made a petrol engine run on central heating oil, and we based the idea on the vaporisers in our TVO tractors. Try it for yourselves!
A better way cyl 1 gas, cyl 2, diesel cyl 3, gas, cyl 4 diesel giving it a balanced tick-over and under load running life...
>What does your car run on?
>....Diesoline.
There is a good reason Diesels are fuel injected, with this setup there is zero control of when combustion occurs hence the knocking. Now if you could set up the other 2 cylinders with fuel injectors, raise the compression, and somehow figure out how to time it that would be cool. This would probably be much easier to start with a 4 cyl Diesel engine and convert half of it to gasoline.
The old IDI systems were manifold injected. No plugs, no timing, just pour it in and squeeze it till it pops.
agreed, easier to remove mass from two cylinders than to add some.
@@operator8014 That is interesting, can you give an example? My Scout has an IDI engine but the injectors are still timed by a mechanical injector pump driven off the engine.
The knocking can be reduced by lowering the compression ratio
@@operator8014 have another think about that one, as that's not how they work. Indirect injection isn't manifold injection.
the more i watch your channel the more respect i have for Sergey and his skills. Vlad is a born leader... /cheers
When I worked for the Freightliner dealership in my area, we got an Isuzu NPR boxtruck in because the driver put 45 gallons of gasoline in the tank atop about 3-4 gallons of diesel. I needed fuel in my '85 F150, so we poured a tankful in. It ran *okay*; had a bit of a ping to it under heavy load and was hard starting but it was able to burn the stuff. And I could smell the diesel exhaust.
Worked at independent Mercedes garages all my gas cars burn diesel! Old 300 six Ford van didn’t care
Guess that's acceptable for free fuel :)
@@dennisford2000 Same engine my F150 has! They really don't give a shit. They'll run on anything vaguely flammable enough for the spark plugs to fire off.
@@volvo09 Yeah I mean I didn't have any problem commuting 50 miles in, 50 miles back, for the 4 days or so it took me to burn off 3/4ths of a tank of the stuff. Nobody else in the shop wanted to touch the stuff because they all had much newer, EFI vehicles, but my ancient carburetted halfton just laughed.
Now, I got two ideas..
Imagine a Lada engine fitted with 4 carburettors, or a Lada engine that is converted to diesel (you already converted a diesel engine to run on gasoline), would be fun to try either
Your facility blows my mind!! Just a complex of endless numbered garages that seem to go on for miles and miles. Very curious about it.
Yes.. kinda spooky.I think they are relics of the Cold War! Greetings from Montreal Quebec!
Yes its really weird and cool
I used to spike my gas with about 1/3 diesel fuel when I lived in Australia, started and ran ok in a Toyota Carrolla
I’m convinced! Lada’s can run on anything! This guy’s experiments are entertaining!👌😂👍
My dad used to have a boat engine, that he started on bensin, and if it was hot he switched to paraffine. So everytime we got to the boat he had to drain the float chamber from the paraffine to be able to start it on bensin first.
We have similar outboardmotor, there was switch valve and it must turn to bensin some minuters before turning ignition off. Forgot to do it and it was really nasty to start next time.
I hope you guys finish this 50/50 conversion and tweak the compression and injection to get just those two cylinders running on Diesel! Would be interesting to see the torque curve of an engine like that!
If not that then seeing as you've cut a few engines in half successfully, you could weld together halves of a gasoline and a diesel engine!
It would be great to see a Lada motor on ITBs, I wonder if the factory carburetor is super restrictive.
I believe changing the fuel to a premix Petrol Diesel. Then feed it lean into the carburetor.
Make the car's steering like the tanks have where u have two levers to steer
Mastermilo did this already
Put it back to run gas, and take it to the Dyno. See what power it puts out running dual carbs!
I want to see you guys take a regular car engine and make it into a 2 stroke
Would be pretty straightforward, just set it up like the old Detroit's the only catch is it would need a supercharger to run
@@madeofscars9355 add a turbo haha yeah need positive pressure to force air in
@@proforugames1071 it would need to be a supercharger, a turbo wouldn't push enough air when cranking to get it to start. Unless you mean a supercharger and a turbo, that would be awesome.
@@inoahmann7542 Or set up the blower as a supercharger/turbocharger, with an overrunning clutch to drive the impeller until the exhaust gas volume and pressure is adequate to spin it, a la EMD.
This is really cool! But the compression has to be higher in those two cylinders to Detonate the diesel fuel now if that was the case it would pull like a train! Also you’re getting that blue smoke because the exhaust manifolds are connected together and the gasoline is burning the unburnt Diesel fuel in the exhaust manifold. Try machining two new pistons with extra compression ring groves and (or) mess with the valve timing to build up more pressure in those Diesel Clyinders ! Love the videos keep up the good work!
Could try welding up some of the combustion chamber on the diesel side to increase compression ratio then mash the electrode of the spark plugs on the diesel side to make them into a sort of glow plug and you can apply battery power instead of spark to heat them.
Then you have no control of the ignition timing, and it would knock like hell from preignition
diesel doesn't need spark though
@@jamesb1221222 how else are you going to time the ignition? Just leave it ignite itself when it pleases and bend the rods lol
Should have increased compression in the two diesel cylinders perhaps by welding on a little metal to the top of the pistons.
Turbo two cylinders?
Doing that would be very bad, as the diesel would then start preigniting
I guess the most interesting thing you could do with this Lada would be to keep the dual carb and also mount dual turbos 🙂
All you guys are awesome!, thanks for sharing.
Keep up the great content!! You and your guys are awesome, thanks!!👍👍
Would love to see you try raising the hell out of the compression ratio like 15:1 with the double carb on gasoline, and to prevent knocking lean the ratio out abnormally high to make it just hard enough to ignite to prevent knock and adjust ignition timing
Run a base line on a dyno then add the two carburetors and add other power mods like high flow exhaust port and polish intake manifold and heads for better flow. Then run it on the dyno so we can see the power gains 💪
adding carbs wont make a difference if theyre 2 standard carbs set up as single carbs for 4 cylinder engines. i fitted a carb from a 1.6 engine to a 1.3 and it was slower than with the 1.3 carb on it. dual carbs just mean that the fuel stays better atomised so can make a slight difference.
I have a lawn tractor I converted to run on diesel. Made adapters for the spark plugs to hold glow plugs and it works decent. Smokes like crazy but has more torque.
cool!
We lived on a farm and used a John Deere Model A for cultivating and unless we put a quart of diesel in with 15 gallons of gasoline the valves would tend to stick. I had cultivating to do and about 10 years old and I thought if a quart was good more would be better. I added a gallon of diesel or more to the gas and headed to the field. It really did not run well and I opened the gate while it sat there at idle it let out a bang that startled me and by the time I had the gate shut it did it a couple of more times. I found it had no power but no knocking as it was a very low compresson engine, about 5.5 to one. I did get back to the house and added more gas, little by little it ran better till I could use it.
I'm so envious of how many Lada's they have, i literally want to drive around Florida in a clean 2107, think there's a few around here, quite a few Russian cars have made there way through the Miami ports
to get this to work reliably you mix the gas and diesel fuel as long as gasoline is more than 50% it will run unmodified
You should outfit the engine with 2 cylinders with diesel injectors where the spark plugs would be and if you're as good as you are drill extra holes for 2 glow plugs. Use a high pressure injection pump off a two cylinder diesel generator to get the high pressure fuel you need to feed the injectors. You can use the existing carb for air adjustment and just have the governor run off the throttle from the injection pump. You can do it. I have faith in you all.
As you noticed the engine runs better on two carburetors, how about trying what people did to race cars back in the day.
Use 4 carburetors that are made for motorcycle engines with 250…350cc and sync them!
You guys have some of the best videos!
Take this to the next logical step......and I know you can do it because you already have done it......
Take a 4-cylinder diesel engine, replace two pistons with gasoline pistons, remove the injectors/glow plugs and install a carburetor to feed those two pistons, rig up a rudimentary waste-spark ignition for those two cylinders.....done! You now have a fully functioning version of what this prototype gas/diesel hybrid engine was trying to be.
That is a great idea 💡 being very much like mine 😀 I put diesel in my tank with LPG lean mix ratio to make my Chrysler 225 run on diesel ignition LPG, it works well if you drive it like a big truck 🚚
Every welding job y'all do makes me wanna come there and make it look better
Hat off to the guy with the jug of fuel in his hand, in the experimental Lada! You guys are so fun and creative!
id like to see the lada taken to the max! a luxury lada. leather and wood trim. twin carb and turbo charged. tv and refrigerator
Rev happy with 2 carburetors is not unexpected; hence why they put two 40 DCOE Webers on a Cosworth Lotus and many more. Even MGs this is a popular mod. The engine is not asphyxiated through one single or double barrel anymore.
The added power in gas mode is because you've doubled the throttle-body size with two carbs. Simple mod, but it delivers.
Take off the carb completely, swap spark plugs for diesel injector (mechanical or common rail), make sure you can adjust timing on injection and fit higher pistons (increase compression ratio)
Outside the compression being about half as much generally need and lack of glo plugs, Diesels need Turbos for higher speeds, they can work low very well but thats about it. Thats always a thing with people comparing diesel to gasoline, diesels have turbos run on then and if you take the same turbo and stuck it on the gasoline then it would perform better than the diesel. Thats a thing you can try. Fully convert a Lada engine to diesel and slap a turbo on it and then test it against another Lada gas engine of the same type that was used in the Lada diesel and stick the same turbo onto the gas. Which one has more power and which one drinks up the fuel, then do a pull off against each and maybe drag race them.
I have always wanted to do this! Best of both worlds!
Definitely should try adding forced induction to the 2 diesel cylinders
From America I'd love to come visit and hang out with you guys, y'all look like you have such a good time
So now next step is a double engine lada, one diesel and one on gas.
The hybrid we were waiting for!
You oughta just run it on two carbs, seemed to run really good
Hell, one carb per cylinder oughta be interesting
You need bigger jets to get the engine to run on diesel right. I run a gas mower engine on 100% diesel. I had to drill the jet out to feed it enough fuel to run right. An chocking off the air
One thing I have heard being tested for efficiency is a diesel engine that gets gasoline added into the intake. This might be possible with a few of those extra fuel nozzles used for nitrous systems. The study found the engine likes more gasoline to diesel the higher the engine load. So turn nozzles on with the throttle position.
Take a V6 or V8.
Flatt cut down one of the cylinder head so it can run properly on diesel and feed the other unmodified on petrol/gas/benzine.
Wouldn't that kind of motor work? 😃
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Yes Sir.
I used to start my diesel truck in -30°C by trickling gasoline down the intake. A hellish procedure that actually worked.
JUST WATCHING THAT TRUCK OBSTRUCT THE WAY GOT ME SO AGGITATED AS A DRIVER!!
Since I'm a kid I've been thinking of a half diesel half gasoline engine, you did it guys you did it
Hybrid Lada.
It can be even crazier, electro-petrol-diesel Lada :D
A tribrid.
Would love to see these guys make there own hybrid car. Maybe take a front wheel drive car and put electric motors to the rear wheels.
The trick would be having both systems be controlled by the same pedal.
@@scott8919 Wouldn't necessarily be too difficult as you could just use a potentiometer and an Arduino to turn the pedal into an "e-pedal" :)
@@KayleeVRC Arduino ECU 😅
Hoonigan + Mr Bean = Garage 54. Maybe if you mix in some Hobby Nitro-Methane lol you can get it to burn the diesel.
2 carbs give you twice as much air. You can adjust the amount of fuel delivery, but the air remains the same. If you're looking at an internal combustion engine as an air pump, you'll understand why it would run smoother with 2 carbs.
A 4 cylinder car will drive just fine on 2.
I had to drive an old mazda that was running on 3 for a while. Had absolutely no problems with it. Even got up 180+kmh that way.
But after another cylinder lost compression, i had to get rid of it. Last drive with 2 cylinders was definitely not very pleasant, but it did drive
great job men, firing the diesel fuel with plugs and carburator is a big big challenge, maybe you could try mixing methanol with diesel and see how it blows... sorry, how it works (or lower the head in those two "diesel" cylinders to get the correct compression, remove the plugs and try the miracle of realize the right timing for the diesel and gasoline to fire)
The reason that the engine runs better with 2 carbs instead of 1 is because, #1 the route from the carb the the engine in much better flowing, #2 you can get more fuel into the engine, because it's will take more fuel to run rich... unsurprisingly the stock Lada intake is not designed with any preference or throttle response in mind.. it's Just cost affective, cheap, and a very restrictive intake.
Awesome work Sir
Machine the block down a bit to raise compression but also the pistons for the gasoline to keep them normal compression
I love the dashboard 6:23
You guys are nuts, I love it.
Glad to see you used my comment suggestion!
Hi guys great experiment with the two types of fuel I have one suggestion for you to put a carburetor for each cylinder and install a turbo and see how much power you can get from a Lada four cylinder engine.
love ypor ideas!!!!!!keep them coming
diesel works ok up to around 20% in an old petrol/gas engine, in fact used to cut the fuel with diesel in an old lawnmower
It didnt even foul the sparkplug, only because i ran it quite hard. No smoke unless cold engine
ethanoll / diesel mix. 15+ years a go we used motorcycle carburators in non turbo racing engines. Mazda rotor it still works great
Who would have guessed that a stock carburetor would be a restriction? On the heels of that success, you should try to build your own tri-power setup. The center carburetor works as normal and the outside two are secondaries that open when the throttle is pushed more than half way. Traditionally, the outside carbs did not have idle circuits.
When I was a teenager I was able to run a B&S flat-head 3 1/2 hp mower engine on a 50/50 mix of kerosene and gasoline. If stopped I had to pull the plug and squirt a bit of gasoline in the cylinder, plug back in and it would crank then run fine. If it stopped I could start it OK if I did it within 2 to 5 seconds. Ran just fine without carbonizing up. Had plenty of kerosene but not much gasoline. Some of the early agricultural tractors ran on diesel fuel and spark ignition with gasoline engine compression.
The way you pronounce “carburetor” cracks me tf up!!! Too damn funny!!!
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- Squeeze that bottle harder 🤣🤣
Haven't seen the video yet.. if u used an injection engine u can crank the diesel pressure waaay up to vaporize the fuel. Just two tanks,two pumps(still gas pumps) and two rails and everything else stays the same...high pressure low flow on the diesel side
You mounted 2 carbs on a gas engine, and it ran better. Congratulations, Vlad! You have discovered what we older Americans call "hot rodding". Because if you go fast enough, a hot (connecting) rod will exit the engine block!
Great video as always
The reason the engine is more powerful and responsive it’s because those carburetors are the 2 barrel type and with the extra you basically upgrade to a 4 barrel and also you added a special manifold that’s supplying a even amount of fuel to the cylinders but is also feeding more fuel because on carb is feeding 2 cylinders instead of 4 so you basically
unintentionally suped up the engine
That's some clean looking diesel, normally it's more yellow.
How about modifying the compression ratio on the 2 diesel cylinders to get up to 16:1 and leave the front 2 as is on petrol - would be an awesome experiment!
You were so shocked by swapping 1 2barrel carburetor for 2 2 barrel carbs. You can cram more fuel and air in then you make more power. It’s why the 6 pack was so popular on big V8’s
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More gas more air flow equals more power. You should try putting on different carburetors on the lada and see Wich one you can make the most power with. Then add a turbo and see how much power a lada can make before self destructing
If you want to use a gravity feed remote tank drill a vent hole or two in the top. You are trying to pull a vacuum in the bottle.
XD when the gearbox starts screaming and the subtitles say [music]
Large displacement engines can ignite diesel with a compression as low as 10:1, but smaller engines tend to need at least 15:1 and up to 20:1. The Lada is a small displacement running at a maximum 10 or 10.5, I'm guessing. It's amazing they were able to get it to burn well enough to turn the engine and propel the car!
This old lada runs on only about 8, I guess
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Should have pulled the rear spark plug wires 1 at a time to see if it was really running on diesel. I know a carbureted car will run on a 50/50 gas diesel mix because I’ve done it before when cash was tight in the past and my car didn’t care it ran fine.. smoked a bit but ran perfectly fine