MIZUNO HAVE MADE A MISTAKE!! Mizuno ST-230 Drivers
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My review of the new 2023 Mizuno ST230 Z & ST230 X Drivers providing all the tech, looks and performance data as always. STZ 230 & STX 230 are the latest launch and these new golf clubs are battling it out against the bigger driver brands like Callaway Paradym TaylorMade Stealth 2 Pin G430 Cobra AeroJet Titleist TSR2 TSR3
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Hi Michael. Shaft length is a very interesting one. We dont have a single tour player over 45 inches and many play a little shorter. They know consistent squareness if strike is what’s needed on the course. So we took the view that amateurs are less consistent, needing at least the same amount of control. 45 inches might not be the way to win a long drive competition, but good for playing a round of golf.
Absolutely agree & fully understand the reasons why it’s at 45”. Where I was coming from is a golfer lands for a fitting where all shaft options are 45” and compares up against other brands at 45.75”….chances are it will lose out or maybe not like you mentioned about strike. If the fitting facilities had longer options to use in the fitting session then the player has choices as to which length performs best. If it’s not in the fitting matrix then he/she can’t try that option. Great driver though 👍
The thumbnail got our attention!
It is for this exact reason that this driver will be on my fitting list this year. I'm a 12 handicap and need all the control, and consistency I can get. Thank you, Michael for the review. And Thank you, Mizuno Golf for actively engaging on these platforms!
@@thomasblackmer8391 that’s great, sure you’ll love the driver 👍
@@MichaelNewtonGolf You're absolutely right, Michael. This is a huge marketing mistake by Mizuno. Whether they like it or not, most buyers will not buy a driver that is measurably shorter than others when they do a fitting. Their decision will be supported by many of the online side-by-side reviews that will reinforce the fact that their drivers are shorter than all other brands. If they wonder why their driver sales are so low relative to their irons, this is the primary reason. This is a common mistake among many brands that struggle with sales - trying to sell the customers what they think they need vs what the customers actually want.
I like the fact that mizuno is making these at 45 inches in stock offerings. I play a 44.5 inch driver and have for almost 15 years. People put too much stock into the distance they get on a launch monitor. They get these almost 46 inch drivers out on the course and they can’t keep it on planet earth. I say well done mizuno with this driver!
I completely agree, I play a 48 inch driver but think most people should play a 46.
Totally agree I was fitted by Titleist at 44.5 for my driver with extra 4g of weight in head, I hit it further and more consistent because I found the middle of the club more often.
Most tour pros use a shorter shaft for consistency. Those of us who are not 6 foot plus benefit from a shorter shaft. Ping and TM fitted me at 44.5 with no loss in distance.
I’m 5’10” no control with the longer shafts…
6ft 2 and 44.75 inch driver. Control is King!
I like the fact they go with a shorter shaft. There telling us this is what we need. Have more chance of getting the higher ball speed if we strike it better.
These Mizuno Drivers look amazing WAY better than the Taylormade and callaway offerings. And best of all 45 inches as standard.
44.5 is called "Tour length" if i recall. Us who dont have spotters to find every ball in deep rough will appreciate it! 30yard pull looks harmless on the monitor, but it is a re-tee more often than not.
These days I always stick to a 45" driver shaft, anything longer and my strike moves towards low heel and I end up losing distance and balls flying off to the left. So in this instance, I admire Mizuno for their honesty as the reality is that we play Golf out on the Course and not at a Driving range.
Perfect, that works for you. That's YOUR preference. I too at 6' 5" play a shorter shaft at 45.25......thats my preference but not everyone is like that.
@@MichaelNewtonGolf It seems you had better numbers with last years model ST220 over this years model ?
I'm a huge fan of Mizuno ever since I started gaming the st 200 a few years back love my driver but I'm very interested in trying out the stz 220 and stz 230 to see for myself,but I'm Mizuno for life now would not trade for and other brand,they just do it for me.👍👊
Your title will obviously get clicks... I understand your point, however, it wasn't clearly explained in the video. To summarize; you liked the driver, it's as good as anything else in the premium category with excellent results, but you think Mizuno won't sell as many as they "should/could" due to the general market looking for distance. Mizuno won't win the extra 1-3 MPH clubhead speed and "potential" distance game. I wonder if the general market picks up some extra speed with the added confidence of hitting near the center more often? Bravo to Mizuno for actually trying to help the masses find more fairways!
It’s funny because last year when I was looking to buy a new set of irons, I was looking at ordering off their web site a high end Miura Japanese irons , and my bud cautioned me about shaft length when it comes to high end Japanese brands that come direct from the manufacturer - I did wind up getting a new set of Mizuno 223 irons (which are great btw) but they were custom fitted and any shaft length issues were avoided. This vid reminded me of this issue . . .
Got the 2022 ST-Z 220 and am swapping it into my old drivers project X 45.75'' shaft. Reason being that I don't find I'm reliably hitting the center of the face easier with the shorter length, so I may as well just go for the higher speed.
I believe Mizuno's goal is to produce the best playing driver, and for that reason 45" shaft length makes good sense.
The player swinging in this video is I think the only club reviewer I've seen on You Tube who makes proper balanced golf swings. That is unlike the other guys who swing out of their shoes and go too hard at the ball, Michael Newton here swings within himself using an effective easy paced tempo.
Upgraded at Christmas from ST190 to ST230X. I could not be happier. At 73 my days of 235 to 250 are in the last decade.Have always fought a slice. Still the 230X is so forgiving. About 5 yard longer, probably because it is so forgiving. Really forgiving. The Kaili shaft performs as well as the Fujikuras from previous years. The price value of this club is fantastic.
Worth looking at the askgolfnut review which looked at off centre hits and showed how forgiving this driver seems to be, which is probably the key factor given that distance is so similar among drivers if well fitted.
Mizuno Drivers are all customisable at time of ordering so if you want or require a longer shaft you can simply order the length you want. But remember, as the driver gets longer, dispersion gets worse typically. So you need to balance ball speed with accuracy.
Thanks for the review. I just bought the STZ 220 driver at a reduced price and really like it. It's a sharp looking club that performs well. I do like the blue on the bottom of the 230 version.
I just bought one too but wrong shaft it would be too light at 59g R but it was all there was what shaft have you got?
Just watch last weeks video on the new ping driver,thisdriver blew it out of the water…Mizuno is so underrated when it comes to there drivers…performance is the most important factor when it comes to equipment,not what company is paying your favorite on tour to hit there products
Great driver which I said in the video 👍
I just brought one, I didn't ask about length or looks. I looked at the data and then how I felt hitting with it. Was the best driver FOR ME, after trying several others.
I an average handicapper/golfer (15) and this club suited me best. But I am also buying Callaway Irons, as the Callaway driver just didn't work for or the Mizuno irons.
I thought your review lacked a bit of substance - in that you couldn't get over the length issue. You should have mentioned it and then reviewed the club for what is and what it does (not what it isn't). I will have new Paradym irons and Mizuno driver in the bag soon. And you know what, I have never been asked about the length any driver EVER by any playing partner. Results matter.
I have a 46” that had an inch taken off - playing at 45”.
It does affect swing speed, but is trumped by hitting it closer to the center.
Mike, has something changed with your Trackman between the Wilson Dynapwr test and these Mizunos? ST-Z and ST-X had less club speed, less ball speed, sure they launched touch higher but only a degree in it, and spin was about the same. Yet the Mizuno’s were 10-20 yards longer in total distance. Doesn’t seem to add up. Was it a warmer day?
They look stunning though to be fair
Direction over distance. 45” is a great setup.
I've tested shorter shafts and saw no dropoff in speed or distance. 44 inches is better than 45 inches in fact.
I was fitted at 44.5 and hit it further.
Personal opinion, I actually disagree that the length of shaft should come longer as standard. I think most pros and better players will know that it is a shorter shaft so can make the upgrade for a longer one but the average golfer going for a fitting, finding that their dispersion is a lot better and also probably going further for them as the strike location might be easier to control. Will suit most players more but I certainly see from your view as a better player you want to compare the top brands against one another
How does this model of Mizuno compare to the TSR3? Great content as always, Michael. 👍💪💪💯💯🙌
Man those are gorgeous looking drivers 😍
Completely respect your opinion on shaft length but if you’re demoing the clubs, aren’t you being professionally fitted by trained fitter? That being the case, sure the average hack may see 1.5-2mph higher clubspeed on some swings. If they hitting it all over the face the dispersion and the median ball speed will suffer. Isn’t the the job of professional fitter to discuss that dispersion pattern with customer? The high deviation in ball speed, spin, launch and height?
I’m a 6.5 index with very similar clubspeed to you, I still play a 44.5” driver. Commonly see 160-162 ball speeds. When I recently demoed the TSR3 w/Tensei 1K 65X, I did actually see a 167 ball speed on 1 swing when warmed up. My median ball speed was just shy of 164. I then demoed Diamana GT 50X and Speeder NX50X, which is in my gamer ST220G, both were at 45” since they were demo matrix shafts. My dispersion, launch and spin were all subsequently better, more importantly all 3 plus ball speed had deviation that was much lower. Fwiw, my short game as by FAR my weakness, I’m an above average ball striker on full swings driver and irons.
As for the average golfer, certainly some may be able to reasonably swing a 45.75 driver as well as a 45, you as instructor are certainly more attuned to the general populace of golfers. I’d assume you’d see better, more consistent results from most swinging the shorter driver. Lower ceiling but more consistency. For those that demanded the longer club, it’s not hard to add 1/2” to a butt end.
I suppose to me it comes down to the skill and abilities of the fitter 🤷♂️
I learned long ago that anything past 45" gets harder to control and there is no guarantee it offers added distance. For the average golfer, which is what I am, it is just silly to worry about a few MPH... the cost is just too high (fewer center-of-face strikes). I personally think standard should still be 44.5" and am glad Mizuno isn't bowing to the pressure of its peers.
Do you think in a custom fitting they could still take off like .5 " to 44.5 or even to 40 and would the swing weight change much
@@conalsands4748 They certainly can, although going really short (40") may create some gapping issues. For each 1/2" the swing weight will change 3 points. Changing the weight of the head by 2 grams will change the swing weight about 1 point. Likewise, going to a lighter or heavier grip will change the swing weight. If ytou're interested in a shorter shaft, choke up a bit and try it. If it feels "light" when swinging add a bit of lead tape.
As for the importance of swing weight... for me I like my cluibs to be roughly correct. I usually play irons at D1 to D3. Somewhere just below D0 starts to feel light (not smooth, hard to choke up) and above D6 they become harder to work (although partial swings seem easier). I usually set my woods in the D4-D6 range. Wedges tend to be vary based on purpose. General purpose (49-54 degree) wedges I set similar to the irons. Anything doing bunker duty or dealing with deep rough is at D5-D6.
@@lettuceb2336i would need to just get a fitter to correct me on all that as swing weight swing points d2 d6 ect is too much for me to understand I'm still at the stage where I'm not even sure on flex and weight ( 54 v 65) do it's all just trail and error and when off the rack if I'm paying 200+ for it , it better just work
Hey Michael, I watch all your club reviews, an even though this Mizuno driver is 45" compared to others at 45.75"
Was this not the longest total distance off them all? I don't remember you driving onto the green with any off the others.
I'm really liking this Mizuno driver, along with the Paradym an TSR2.
Exactly
It was long, but how much more could I have got with the 45.75” shaft? That was my ooint
@@MichaelNewtonGolf Yea I know what your saying, and agree that 45.75 should be made as an option too. I was just surprised at how long it was compared to the other driver's, even though it only had 45" shaft. Seems like an amazing driver that I wanna try 🏌️
@@michaelr9397 yeah exactly. I appreciate hitting fairways is massively important but for the guy who just wants max length then surely they should have the option to test.
@@MichaelNewtonGolf so at a shorter shaft is giving you great results and you think 3/4 of an inch will perform better. Simple, compare the two
Thank you for the review. If Mizuno’s goal is to expand market share, I agree 45” was a misstep. Ball speed is king and 99% of “fitters” and consumers won’t connect the dots. They’ll see a raw ball speed number, likely have no idea about efficiency, and will walk out with a competitors product because it’s “fast.”Another issue is this model will be in shops for 2 years with limited/no marketing while others continue to bring new product to the market.
100% agree
Nice review, Mizuno make good gear.
I am a taller guy, 6’3 with long arms. I can’t stand any driver over 45’ inches. Most of the bigger hitters aren’t swinging a driver over 45 inches. Tony Finaus was 44.5 at some point, Bubba has been 44.5 for some time.
Gary woodland also games a 44.5 ish length driver…he consistently says when asked about distance and accuracy is you must be hitting the middle of the face. I have a Ventus black at 45 and it’s not going anywhere. It’s actually the thing I hate with fittings these days is longer clubs almost get pushed onto you because it’s easier to sell/ order a stock length and not have it more custom made. Frustrating and not good for many peoples games.
Tiger woods played the best golf of his life with a 43.5 inch driver and hits it the same as the big boys do now. He laughs when he sees how long the drivers have gotten on the PGA tour these days. It’s something that keeps coming back to ruin amateur swings year in year out.
The fairway is always better that the sticks.
We should all be concerned with making better moves with our bodies into impact, correct release and timing and a better understanding of our swings than a longer shaft. Mike what length do you play?
Most drivers are too long and upright these days. Keep doing what you're doing Mizuno..
Currently play my driver at 44.75" D1.5 SW
I play last year’s STZ driver with a 3 wood shaft. Dispersion is to be preferred over distance.
The other error is launching the ST-G in October. That’s the model I would probably play. And I’m not waiting til October to waste money on a new driver that I don’t need.
Ball speed will go up with center strikes, and that happens for virtually all golfers with a shorter shaft, not to mention the accompanying reduction in dispersion. The only thing they missed on was the up charge for the lighter "platinum" version
Still plays my Z585 with 45.25 inch Miyazaka Mahana shaft.
I just never seemed to get used to play anything longer decently in the golf course but long driving is another story obviously.
I just prefer good distance and strike in the fairway than ones than have longer shaft I might eventually hit them faster longer overall but my strikes are terrible most of the time then why bothered, 290 315 in the fairways are much better than out of position 330+ bombs in the rough or in the woods.
Did you notice any major differences between last years Mizunos drivers and this years? So many new drivers coming out and curious to know how different this driver is than the previous model
I'd like to know this too this is a good question but have seen or read nothing yet as the new one is so new tho I have read in the comments here that the ballspeed (?) Is lower than the old one but also have read the cortech produces more speed / distance on another vid don't know yet
I cut all my drivers down to 45 , sometimes 44 1/2 , find my control is much better , if you would swing a 45 for awhile you would probably find that your club head speed will come back once your body , arms & rotation start to sync up
Interesting take, Michael. I think the caption isn’t really fair. Isn’t it the case though that more cantered strikes will result in greater ball speed? Also a 45” driver needs more weight in the head for swing weight and balance. That means higher moi and more mass = faster speeds. Numerous tests on CZcams also show very little if any loss of clubhead speed with shorter shafts.
45 inch drivers for the win!
Personally, I think you should be testing the head and not the shaft. Using the same shaft and length in all the heads would be a fairer comparison.
Rightly or wrongly, a large number of people buy drivers off the rack, and having shorter options off the rack is a good idea. Most would benefit using a shorter shaft in their driver than they're currently gaming.
Agree but the availability for a large majority of golfers have access & test different shafts, weights, flexes and then different lengths just isn’t there. Then do this across all brands that the facility is fitting for…..
@@MichaelNewtonGolf Disagree. if you are in the 5 percent who need it longer they can fit for that otherwise shorter this more consistent.
@@mikepxg6406 where’s 5% coming from?? So all other brands at 45.5/45.75 are aiming for 5% of the golfing market….I do t think so.
I not against 45”, infact I know it will benefit certain golfers that need control, control of strike pattern etc to find more fairways. That’s great, but don’t you think the guy who wants to try something longer have the chance to do so??
Titleist, TaylorMade, Callaway to name a few offer their standard length to fitting centres (typically 45.5/45.75) BUT also provide shorter options for the golfer who requires that.
The point I’m trying to make is they are given options 👍
45 3/4 is way too long for most golfers but 45 is too short for modern drivers. I have all of my shafts at 45 1/4. I think that's a great balance between distance and control.
what do you mean by too short?
45 inches is usually too long for most. Even some tour pros use shorter. so can't believe he said longer would be better.
@@mikepxg6406 I had 44" Ping and TaylorMade drivers before going to 45 1/4" after a few years off. Still got plenty of control and much more speed and distance.
If I remember correctly Mizuno measure length without the grips so its 45" and then + grip/butt so it's closer to the other brands, there are a lot of ways the brands measure length.
@@Fufiloofa thats adds +1/4" if correct
Honestly I’m a pretty shit ball-striker, but I can’t seem to miss the center of the face with this thing. I love it!
I would have to believe that at this point in time any of the major brands drivers are all going to be fairly equal in terms of performance when struck in the middle. The real difference is going to show up in off center strikes. How forgiving is it. You hit some great drives out of the middle of the face, but when miss hit there was a drop off.
Looks wise very similar to Aerojet and similar tech with the core chamber. Get the shaft to your preferred length when you order it? Is the only difference between the Z & X is the draw bias ?? Cheers
I for one am glade mizuno standard driver length is 45” because I’m 5 foot 6 and standard drivers of 45.75” is too long for me which makes it harder for me to look for their drivers second hand.
I'm a big mizuno fan, I'm still playing with my first ever set of clubs, my MP30 Irons and mpt wedges and the only reason I haven't upgraded is plainly down to cost.. £1200+ for irons (with no 3iron now) £180 for a wedge and £499 for a driver. By the time you got a full set your looking at £3000+.. I'm a big golf and mizuno fan but certainly not that much. I'll keep playing with what I got thanks, golf has gone stupidly expensive over the years and not value for money.
If anything at the fitting session, a good fitter would discuss the issue why the extra club head speed of 45.75" didn't always convert to longer drives while the 45" would be more consistent. In youtube driver comparison vids however, if you are not using the same shaft and the same shaft length, you're just comparing apples to oranges.
But don't take my word for it, listen to this guy 😉 czcams.com/video/eALUwesAXys/video.html
Where they missed the boat was price. Not a whole lotta people are buying Mizuno drivers and you’d think they’d come in at $350 or $399 to entice people to try their product. But at $500, why would I buy a Mizuno driver? Also, in the secondary market, their drivers don’t hold their price well at all.
The new Wilson staff is about that price don't know about performance ( or shaft length) but the mizuno Def. Look better
Dude, nearly every time you complained about the shaft length, you hit it better! Are we playing golf anymore, or, driving range hero? Less is better IMO. Thanks.
The 230-Z may be the best driver on the market hands down.
Mizuno have never got into the big boy category of drivers mainly because they only spend a fraction of the money Callaway and TM do on marketing.
i find it dishonest and somewhat silly to release to gen public 45.75 drivers. avg length on tour under 45. creeping higher.
i havent found one of my friends that hasnt benefited from 45 or under shaft length. so every single driver anyone i know purchases now either custom fit at 45 or under and or cut and add weight. just like the pros...
Love the 45" inch standard offering. I can never figure out why total amateur's are fitted for a 45 1/2-46" driver. Their distance will come from better strikes.
Who all here prefer 45” as the standard and think Michael needs to let the longer shaft thing go.
Great looking club, and I like that neutral ball flight with the Z model. I imagine Mike could hit that thing 15 yards further with another 1/2 inch in shaft length and a few tweaks to get the launch up into the 13-14 range. Peak height is pretty low for Mike's ball speed.
He hit it'just as far with a shorter shaft🤔
@@edanzore Just as far as what? You don't know how far he would hit it if he had a little longer shaft. Mike lives in the center of the face. I'm pretty sure he could handle another .5 to .75 inches in length.
@@stevedietrich8936 yes and would see about a 3 yard gain from the middle of the face with a half inch difference
@@Koyoo11 That seems a bit presumptuous. Are you talking carry distance or total distance? What’s launch angle? Spin rate? Club speed or ball speed?
@@MichaelM-to4sg assuming both were struck the same spot your seeing a very marginal gain in carry distance with a half an inch from my own experience I strike it better with a slightly shorter shaft which is most golfers see the same results. Do you think a half an inch is going to get you an extra 15-20 yards of carry distance?
Drivers are too long for most at 45.75 most golfers would see the middle of the face more often with a shorter driver and thus a better average ball speed and more accuracy they keep making them longer to assist in there claims there longer faster etc etc
Totally agree but imagine that golfer going in for a fitting and hitting mizuno against say a stealth2 which is .75” longer and the Mizuno losing out on ball speed and distance because of that .75”…
Now a good fitter would be explaining the reasons why but I bet many won’t.
Not everyone hits the ball more reliably on the center with a slightly shorter driver. I find I'm actually more accurate with a 45.75 inch driver over 45 in terms of hitting the sweet spot.
Not all amateur golfers are the same but for most shorter would be better having had numerous driver fittings and know several fitters they generally find and fit shorter than standard I generally end up 44.5 to 45 depending on head and shaft and have not found any loss in distance or speed my last fit we found no difference in distance between 45 inch and 45.5 with tsr3 and no difference in club speed ball speed was a touch higher with the 45 but it was more accurate and strike location was better previously played an epic flash sz at 44.5 and had no drop off in speed from a shaft an inch longer during the fit I know one thing the longer you go over a season the less accurate most will be
@@mattchalk7296 Oh I agree for sure.. for the majority of people, a 45 inch driver will be better than a 45.75 inch driver overall. It's just not going to pump out the extra 10 yards of carry distance on those center strikes when you do hit the center of the face - which is what catches people's eyes in fittings.
I feel like all your numbers are down with this years driver. Is that your swing or the equipment. Almost all the drivers this year you have tested are less than last years.
Probably me getting older 😂
Some of the carrier are so sceptical with ball speed reading launch monitors are the biggest gimmick ever
I'm still playing the ST200's from three years ago, and I have to say that Mizuno isn't making any headway in the woods market. Nothing about them gives me a reason to change........
Maybe the lifespan will be lower on this compared to the longer shafted other brands as the centre will be hot more often leading to caving over time
Love your videos Michael but I respectively disagree on the length. I am going to go after this because of the 45 degree length. I want it in the fairway and haven’t liked the longer drivers everyone pushes.
Hi Jim…..45” is your preference which is fine, but what about the golfer who prefers the longer length? He has no option to try as Mizuno don’t provide fitters with longer options in their fitting pack 👍
@@MichaelNewtonGolf Did not realize longer options were not available to you as a fitter.
I was thinking that golf shafts longer than 45 " are available and user installable, giving the end user replaceable options. Is that not the case ?
I watched your st220 video and your ball speed and club head speed and distance higher then the ST230 is that the length of the shaft, or did these drivers get worse? Any thoughts ?
This is the most important question asked re. The stz 230 I can't find any answer yet as it's probably too soon but the main question for anyone interested in the new stz 230 is - is there performance gains in the 230 v the 220 is it worth getting the 230 over the 220 for distance? Is there any added distance at all because I can tell you what has increased - the new one is priced more £ than double £ of last year's one..
I don't agree with your gripe over the 45" standard length. The majority of drivers will benefit from the 45" shaft in terms of feel, control and accuracy.
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What's that Hzrdus green shaft like? Don't see that as a stock offering on (any?) other drivers
Mizuno is a great company. They make the best forged irons. They lack money to pay the top golfers, with no recent PGA or LIV wins. So they are forced to pay for scraps like Good Good. Now Good Good has dump them. Its sad, I love Mizuno, they deserve better.
So test it with a longer shaft so that you can test oranges for oranges
I enjoy your reviews very much Michael. Entertaining, interesting, and very informative. I have a request. I'd love for you to do a review comparing the new STZ230 with the STG220 (specifically the G) with both weights on the G at the back. I love my STG220 and would be very interested to see how it compares against the new STZ230 in a review from you.
I respectfully disagree Michael. What's going to help most people's game more; 5 more yards or being in the fairway instead of the trees? 45", or slightly shorter, offers the best balance of distance and control and I'm glad Mizuno aren't jumping on the longer shaft bandwagon.
Maybe I didn’t explain and make myself clear enough in the video. Totally agree with what you are saying but what I was saying golfers should have options to try the longer length during a fitting session but mizuno will only send 45” shaft options as that’s their standard driver length 👍
These are some of the longest drives I have seen you hit. I think you are missing the point , the shorter shaft gives you better strike , longer carry etc. Sad you leveled this criticism.
Think your missing my point
Can you be a hero and undo their mistake and find a 45.75 inch shaft with a mizuno sleeve?! Would love to see that. I’m interested in that because they looks so darn good at address. Best looking crown of all the new drivers.
I just checked your other new driver reviews. Looks like the Mizzy kept up with every one on carry and total distance except the Stealth2. So, same distance with better consistency/dispersion at a lower price point = winner. The thumbnail language and the image of you looking on disapprovingly all because of the stock shaft length doesn’t match up with your overall positive review of the driver.
When did golf manufacturers decide that a driver must "look" good behind the ball. OOO.. it's shiny and pretty..Either you can hit the damn thing or not.
Disagree on shaft length , Mizuno have got it spot on , you are VERY tall & so would need a longer shaft , 99% of golfers would benefit from a shorter shaft , Average length on tour is 44.5 " You did a couple of videos that proved this point , as have many other youtubers .
Anyone who wants a longer shaft could simply request it at the fitting.
My own driver is 44.5 " hitting it longer & straighter than ever.
Nope......at 6' 5" I play a shorter shaft at 45.25........my preference.
So tell us, what exactly is the distance penalty for a 3/4 inch ‘short’ driver? You have the skill; you have the equipment. Be fair to us and Mizuno. On the surface, 3/4 of 45 is about 1.5% - so the average 90 mph swing will lose 1.5 mph club? But, short club, lower weight -> swing faster? Hit 10 shots with two shafts, show us the distance and the dispersion. Otherwise, as a long time subscriber, this video is just click bait negativity.
I prefer a shorter shaft for control, longer shafts can lead to problems .
That's great, player preference 👍
As someone that's 5'8"... 45 inches is not a problem haha
What if I put my Project x 5.5 hand crafted shaft in it??
ST-G still available ?
That is the LS model.
90% of golfers should not be playing a driver over 45"
I'd say 60% shouldn't play over 44.5"
As long as head-weight is increased, that should be no ball speed drop on an average of 10 shots.
Wouldn’t the shaft length for the golfer be sorted by a custom fit?
Mizuno don’t provide any fitting shafts longer than 45” so in 95% off fitting centres you won’t be able to try and test….this was my point.
@@MichaelNewtonGolf Sorry, it came across that this was the shaft given to test with, not that you’d never be able to get a longer shaft. Seems overly restrictive to the taller golfer, let alone potential gains for an average sized golfer looking for faster club head speed. Thanks for clearing it up.
@@jonathanthatcher74 👍
@MichaelNewtonGolf
You did a video about 5 years ago with this specific topic aaaaand you did better with the shorter shaft so may you should rethink your critic ?
Yes, that is my preference......a player preference. Being 6' 5" I play 45.25"
Me, you, the next guy can have different preferences and different results on club heads, shaft weight, shaft length etc etc.......it would be good if Mizuno offered the options, that ll I'm trying to get across.
Callaway, Titleist, Ping, Tm all seem to do this in fitting environment 👍
I agree with the length, I've just bought an ST-G 220 and 45 inches felt very short, they should definitely be 45.5 as standard at least, then offer longer or shorter as a custom fit... I've extended mine to 45.5 and it feels perfect....
This is exactly my point.........you have a preference of playing a longer shaft 👍
@@MichaelNewtonGolf I'm with you Michael🤝🏻 I love the content by the way, keep up the good work!👍🏻👌🏻
Why don't you put it in last year's shaft and see how much distance or speed is really lost. Remember most golfers swing under 100mph so may not lose as much as you would.
For most amateur golfers (and let's be honest this will probably not be played by many tour players) accuracy is the biggest challenge so I believe the shorter shaft should be an advantage to us minnows.
Your carry numbers seem lower than normal? Or is that what your looking for?
Ball speed was down as club speed down due to shaft length being shorter
Carry numbers aren’t shorter, except for Stealth2. Check Ping, Cobra and Srixon reviews.
@@MichaelNewtonGolf thank you sir, don’t comment until you have finished watching the video. That is a tip to myself!
Look gr8
Mike it barely looked like you were swinging in this video....a good 4/5 mph slower than other driver reviews you've done recently??
Couldn't disagree more the shaft length. 45.75" is way too long for amateur golfers.
Agree it’s too long, that wasn’t my point. Golfer goes into a fitting and tries mizuno against say a stealth 2 at 0.75” longer and they see less ball speed I can imagine they will go the faster. A good fitter would explain the difference but I’m guessing many won’t.
@MichaelNewtonGolf True, big problems with a lot of fittings is that you're not gonna hit 20 drives. So if you middle 2 with the longer club , then it's a wow moment and you think you'll hit it longer.
@@MichaelNewtonGolf Remember when some manufacturers went to 47 inches. Mizuno are correct
@@mikepxg6406 how can one be correct & the other is wrong??? Surely it’s the golfers preference?? Some like it longer, some like it short…….be good to have the options to try both??
@MichaelNewtonGolf Big problem that not a lot of reviewers talk about with shaft length is that if 45.75" is standard then you have to make the head heavier at 45" to keep the correct swingweight. Try getting an answer out of Taylormade and Callsway if they can put heavier weights on a custom order for a 45" driver....they won't do it and don't advertise it. The only notable brand offering a weight kit for shorter drivers is Titleist. If you look online, almost all retailer offer you a heavier or lighter weight on a TSR driver. So if you have a long driver as standard then really you then need a weight kit to correctly fit a 45" driver.
The title and thumbnail make it seem like there's a huge issue with this driver and in reality it's just your opinion on shaft length, which other manufacturers do as well. I watch enough of your videos to know that this driver wasn't carrying much shorter than most of the new drivers you've reviewed even at 45". I actually like their stock is 45, and think it will help the majority of average golfers. Normally I love your videos but was a little disappointed that shaft length, which can easily be modified by fitting, overshadowed your opinions on the actual club itself.
I gave the club a good review as it deserved......performed very well. The point I'm trying to make is Mizuno don't offer a longer shaft option in the fitting environment for the player who prefers that length. Yes you can order as custom but the guy who wants to test then......no option available. Luckily I prefer and play 45.25" and I'm 6' 5" but that is my preference......this the point I was trying to get across.....player preference.
I understand why Mizuno have pitched at 45".........selling to the mass and generally speaking the guy purchasing online/blind then a higher percentage he will have more control with the shorter shaft.
But what about the guy who prefers and performs better with the longer shaft? He can't try that option or to pitch against anchor brands driver at the same length for a fairer test.
Other brands like TM, Titleist, Ping, Callaway to name a few offer their standard length shafts typically 45.5/45.75 BUT also provide options in 45"........golfers like options to test, that's all I was trying to get across. 👍
@@MichaelNewtonGolf I must have missed your point in the video about there not being option for longer shafts for their driver fittings. Doesn’t really fall in line with their motto “engineered for custom”. Sorry for the misunderstanding, I tend to agree with your points now. Appreciate you responding and for all of your videos!
322 with a shorter shaft. Leave it to the engineers
A fairway finder...🤔
You certainly got the distance you normally get …. All I heard was, “great strike, great feel, great distance and this stacks up” etc
Given you are reviewing the club at a time when all the other OEMS are releasing, are you not being a bit unkind with the video title?
What could it of done with the same shaft length as other brands? That’s my point 🤷♂️ if golfer prefers shorter shaft then that can be a custom option.
The clicbait video titles from all the review channels are getting beyond a joke. We get it. More views equals more money but seriously
I reckon with a slightly longer shaft Mike could get this in or around 335-340 yds distance….amazing driver. For me I’d be ok with 45.75in
Yet here we are with the average driver length on tour @ 44.5 & Tiger playing 43.75……
@@craigdavid6668 Those guys train every single day to maintain high swing speeds, so they don't need the slight extra length on the drivers.
Yes, they want control to find more fairways
@@enzy6434 Ahh, so your solution to hit it further is play a driver longer than pretty much every professional and NOT practice every day with it? Makes total sense.
No one should play a driver over 45 inches
Just order a longer shaft when you order your driver. Most amateurs will benefit from the shorter shaft.
What about trying the longer shaft in the actual fitting? That’s my point
@@MichaelNewtonGolf Doesn’t mizuno supply longer shafts for fitting? I will check with my fitter. You are correct, a fitting should involve the longer shaft also. I order my drivers anywhere from 44-¾ to 45-¼ dependent upon the head, results, shaft, etc. I know at my fitter most never talk about shaft length, they take what they get. I get the 45” from Mizuno and you can order longer, however the longer does need to be available for fitting.
@@billsinclair313 this is exactly my point 👍 other brands offer different length shafts in their fitting carts…..options to try during the fitting.
@@MichaelNewtonGolf if Mizuno doesn’t, that’s not good even if very few professionals use 45-¾”, give the consumer choices. Like I said, I will check with my fitter and see what comes in the new fitting cart.
Oh heck I forgot, you are still the best at testing and relaying info and thoughts about equipment on you tube! Keep it up.
How you getting 40 yards of roll on 2.8k spin?😂😂
You hitting onto concrete?
Where do you normally play, on mud ? 😂
It sounds like its made of plastic.
Terrible acoustics