Titleist TSR3 vs Mizuno ST-Z 230 // Driver Bracket 2023
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- Round 1 of the 2023 Driver Bracket the Titleist TSR3 takes on the Mizuno ST-Z 230. Both drivers get HOT during this hear to head, but inly one driver can move on. Will it be the Titleist TSR3 or the Mizuno ST-Z 230? All that, and more.........
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Thanks for watching the video Driver Bracket 2023 // TSR3 vs STZ 230
I know you briefly mentioned this during the specs but the .5" longer shaft on the TSR3, the black shaft and 9.0 vs 9.5 face angle. I think same shafts and potential dial the Mizuno would actually win this for you by a decent mark. Maybe I am crazy, but that Mizuno is extremely impressive. I'm going to have to check it out.
It’s an extremely impressive head! No doubt
i agree. i feel like if the both drivers were put into the same shafts and angles the mizuno very possibly could come out on top. also if you think about consistency while the mizuno was off line the most they were off line in tight groups. person i would give mizuno the win. definitely something to think about in head to heads in the future.
Dude you've been KILLING it with the editing and how you're segmenting the reviews etc. You've got a good rhythm going with the content creation. Appreciate all your effort it does not go unnoticed. Hoping to see a 9 hole vlog from you soon. A cool series that might fit your vibe is something developmental or a series that documents your process towards a favorite tournament of yours. Would love to see you become comfortable in that style of content as well. Take advantage of your ability and competitive drive... and have fun with it!!!
REALLY appreciate you noticing! Thanks so much! We are assembling a team for some course content this summer. Can’t wait for this snow to melt here so we can get our feet wet in better on course content.
Did the mizuno dirty by putting it up against such a monster haha. Thoroughly surprised how well it stacked up. Seeing how close it was I think if the 230 had that extra half inch, it wins. Great video man!
The Mizuno is filthy! This could have easily been a finals matchup. Luck (or unluck) of the draw.
@@NewNineGolf facts. Can’t wait to see the rest of the bracket!
@@NewNineGolf Tighter dispersion and better smash factor likely the half inch shorter makes that difference
The driver bracket series is back!!! Lets goo!! Love your content man following you from South Florida 👍🏽
These drivers are FIRE. Will be a tight battle. Thanks for the support!
Been waiting for this driver bracket! Great vid. Can’t wait for the rest.
I love videos like this - great job. Would be cool to see some kind of runner up/value challenge where you factor performance per dollar as a metric. Keep up the great work!
The half inch longer shaft might actually be why the Titleist head appeared slightly more compact at adress
The dispersion was better with the mizuno they were nicely bunched up on the right, you could aim left or change the settings and it would be ideal.
I have the Muzuno STZ. I wish I could hit a ball as far as you. They are both BEAUTIFUL!!!!
Just picked up my TSR3 with a tour Ad UB 6-X shaft today. Set to B4 and T1 to compensate for my slight toe hit. The ballspeed when I move the strike towards the toe is incredible! Didn't have one drive under 1.48 smash, That shows why you Should get fit.
Great head, great shaft.
PREACH! Wicked combo 👌🏻
Great channel Brandon. Damn, I want the mizuno to win but your first hit with the TSR3 and it was over… Good job! Your commentary is cool.great editing. Great testing method. And, send the link for your pickleball channel, thanks.
Thanks for the support 👊🏻
It has begun.
Truly shows how hard Mizuno has been working to get their drivers to compete. One thing is for sure......you can't go wrong with either of these drivers. Both are spectacular, but I get you have to pick one for your bracket.
FACTS!
@@NewNineGolf you must add the tour exotics e723 in there somewhere please
Don’t miss our upcoming videos 😉
@@NewNineGolf how often are you releasing bracket videos?
Will try to have them for every Monday.
I predict TSR will win your entire bracket
It’s a front runner! Some other stiff competition and one in particular might not ever be on your radar 😉
It won’t win but it will be declared the winner. These tests are for entertainment. This one, the way the drivers are set up rigged it in favor of Titleist. Get the 9.5 STX and turn it down to 7.5 and it wins.
@@davidmeeks7449 TRUE
Nice video man, first time coming across your channel and now plan to watch the whole 2023 driver bracket. I went for a fitting last week, tried out all this year's drivers and ended up ordering a TSR3 - good to see it didn't go out first! Excited to watch the rest of the videos and see what comes out on top. My prediction - Callaway triple diamond
Appreciate it. Guessing you haven’t seen the Triple Diamond video in the bracket yet lol.
@@NewNineGolf ikr, watched the next 2 after I posted this - how wrong I was. Stealth looks very promising, though I do think it's suited to low (single digit) handicap players. I'm off about 12 and just couldn't get to grips with it. TSR ftw
Ordered my Mizuno driver , can’t wait to get it out there
What are your thoughts on the Mizuno driver ?
Eyo bro! Let's see it!!! When you coming down to Florida and giving me a challenge on a Lynx course.
Anytime 😎🐊
Great video! I enjoy your bracket videos a lot. Would you give insight as to how the drivers might perform for us with slower club head speed and higher handicaps?
I would likely choose different heads in the driver lineup that gear towards higher forgiveness and higher spin. I’m going to try a driver bracket with a test subject that is a higher handicap slower swing speed.
Yes please do.
TSR’s are the best drivers. I was recently custom fitted for a TSR2 w stock Hzdrs red CB 6.0 50g shaft. Best smash and highest ball speed vs. Paradym, G430 max and my old gamer 2016 M2. It’s not leaving my bag for a few years or more !
That’s awesome to hear! That M2 was a beast for a long time!
@@NewNineGolf yeah i had the M2 for 2 years and it was the best driver I’ve ever had and I’ve been playing 30 years! Wasn’t going to pull the trigger on a new driver this year but after hitting the TSR2 I couldn’t resist ! Sound/feel is also the best out of all them I tested
Glad to see TSR won. You get to hit another day.
You’re the best Golf Club Reviewer on CZcams, most others put me to sleep, Haha. Love these Brackets, they don’t lie.
It’s funny everyone is down on the Stealth2 because Rory dropped it, but I believe Rory dropped it because he was having trouble with its workability and found it too forgiving. But for the average Golfer that’s a great thing. Meanwhile Scottie is winning every tournament with it and often leading the field in yards driven.
Appreciate the compliment! Stealth 2 is a beast!
Thanks again bud !
@Brandon You should try the Mizuno ST-X 230. It is very slightly draw biased and a little more forgiving. Because it is easier to turn over, you may be able to move all of those right misses a little more to the left.
Good call! Will try it forsure. I was worried it would spin higher than the Z
I have to say, after testing almost every driver this year the ST-Z 230 ended up in my bag. What a sleeper. One of the best looking drivers OF ALL TIME at address and man is it hot. With the half inch shorter shaft my dispersion was really tight, but I did not lose any distance at all. Matter of fact, My clubhead speed, ball speed and smash all went up like crazy from my F9 from a few years back. Could not be happier with this driver. Bravo Mizuno 👏👏👏
That’s awesome to hear! So surprise! Awesome head.
Im so glad I read this I just got the 220stz but I don't like the 50g shaft too light I was going to just change it to 60g and guess the shaft as can't try out and hope it works or sell it and put it towards the 230 and get proper fitted have you tried the 220 before the 230 Austin?
@@conalsands4748 I have not tried the 220, but from what I hear the 230 is leaps and bounds improved in all regards.
@@Bajablast_scuba_cat leaps and bounds wow I was going to just guess a shaft for the 220 only because the 220 was less than half the price of the 230..and even then I still might not have the right shaft and I'll prob have regret lol when it said the 230 was longer they were saying only by like 7 yard's so I'm stuck on wether to get new shaft that could work it just get the new 230
@@conalsands4748 its just a true generational leap for Mizuno this year because in all honesty, they were slightly behind the curb in the driver tech. This really got them back to an even playing field with the big driver brands imo.
Great vid bud. Hope all is well with the fam👍
Thanks John, the little one could sleep a bit more but we’re managing this new lifestyle 😂
Lol welcome to years of wondering how in the hell you ever slept more than 8 hours straight. It’s not age that kills sleep……it’s the dang kiddos making us worry👍🤷🏻♂️🤣
Haha ain’t that the truth! 😂
Game on!
oh great video by the way...cheers
Thank you!
Just picked up a tsr 2, beautiful clubs. I notice the tsr 3 has about 5 that are almost the same distance as well as being very close to center
Smash factor is higher on the mizuno most likely because of the shorter shaft
Really hope the Srixon does well. They make awesome drivers but just not a large market for them
You’re right! Awesome line up this year!
I've never liked so many different drivers as I do this year . I could play any brand I think
I feel the same way. Best driver year of all time!
The mizuno was more consistent. Love it
Sad to see mizuno out round 1 but they did draw a BEAST with the Titleist
Still contemplating going with the STZ purely for the fact that I love the 3 wood
This was SO close. I think the STZ will compliment that 3 wood of yours nicely 👌🏻
@@NewNineGolf I watch your videos . How would you say the Mizuno stacks up to the new Srixon lineup ?
Fairly close. I’d have to look at the numbers to see who edges who.
Different shaft. Different length. Test sounding totally consistent.
These kind of videos are interesting, how was the bracket pairs formulated? To be honest seems you would want the same shaft in every head being tested to really get best results. Titleist line this year is solid for sure, but the Mizuno line is very overlooked. Also basing this off of hitting it 25-30 yards offline seems very specific to the one swinging the club not everyone. Get fit and I will guarantee Mizuno shines
Drivers were picked by random draw. We wanted to show stock shafts as that’s what someone would expect in a fitting for no up charge. We figured 15 hits gives us a better overall average of dispersion. Every golfer hitting this will find some down the line and others well offline like my collection, I use the averages so it all evens out in the wash. Since I’m not a robot there isn’t a fool proof system but this seems to be okay with the majority of our viewers. Thank you tho, I appreciate the feedback!
I wish Mizuno would change the crown either a return to blue or just go all black. Mizuno needs to change their sleeve so you can change lie angle and loft separately.
The Smoke Green is 5 grams heavier than the Smoke Black. That explains the swing speed difference. Also Smoke Black is a stock shaft option, so the test actually isn’t as fair a test as it should be.
61 vs 60. 1 gram heavier. It's the Smoke Green RDX. The Smoke Black is not listed as stock option on the Mizuno site but I'm sure it can be ordered with no upcharge. This was what we were given by Mizuno to test. It was pretty hard to even get the club itself so we couldn't be picky.
You’re a beauty 💯
You’re a beauty! 👊🏻😎
my reason for going with the SIM 2 MAX instead of the STEALTH 2 is price and it really was better for me in every way..go figure....SIM 2 MAX ( 399 Canadian ) STEALTH 2 ( 850 Canadian )...is this the way to go do you think....welcome all thoughts...I am really glad i tried both ....cheers from Canada
I played the M3 for like 5 years before I switched and my producer still plays the M6. I'd say play whatver works. 🍻
If your typical miss is slightly right, maybe you should have used the STx instead of the STz. My guess, looking at your shots, is that the STx might have beat the Titleist.
For a proper comparison same shaft, length, loft etc are required?
Mizuno looks more efficient & cheaper.
ST-X is allegedly better
Wish you did a losers bracket to see how the Mizuno would fair against the other drivers so you could have a tier list best to worst
2600 spin seems a lot for 177 ballspeed. I think you should test same shaft, to take that out of the equation. Look forward to the next tests!
Absolutely excellent process and clearly explained and you are very well spoken. On one hand I believe this is the best quality head to head comparison I have seen BUT ON THE OTHER HAND it wasn't even a FAIR TEST in the slightest degree. You have 3 very different variables 1. Titleist had 1/2" longer shaft and was -1/2 degree loft and had a completely different shaft....LOL COME ON MAN, those are 3 MOST IMPORTANT VARIABLES when testing and they were all different. So, you should REDO the test with exact same shaft, loft and driver length , otherwise you should just start comparing DRIVERS TO PUTTERS.
I appreciate the feedback. Thanks for the compliment. In regards to the variables. I agree with the loft. We actually had a full session to dial in the drivers to find the optimal setting. As far as the shafts and length. We wanted to test the stock shaft as alot of golfers purchase the drivers with it's stock shafts. We did a test a while back putting the same shaft in different heads and it produced different results. It's not a simple as same shaft as the head has to match the shaft. As far the the length. That's on the manufacturer. I'm not about to mess with what their engineers built. Adding a 1/2" in length will alter the SW by 3 points. So I would have to take out weight in the head some how. Were also limited to what the manufacturer supplies us. It was difficult to get the stock Mizuno driver to test let alone different shafts at different lengths and head weights. I hope you can see why that doesn't make much sense as most people ordering different shafts and different lengths are doing so after a fitting and ordering very specific specs. There's no perfect way to do these test and were trying very hard to make a bracket as fair and entertaining as we can. I think this is far from a driver vs putter situation. 🍻
@@NewNineGolf Much respect for the detailed and prompt response. You are a TRUE PROFESSIONAL SIR!!! You handled it with facts and maturity and for that Sir , I take my hat off to you. Your response demonstrates commitment to your audience and how dedicated you are to your profession. Sincerely, May God Bless you and your family and continued success!
Thanks Eric! Appreciate the kind words. Thanks for the support and all the best! 🙏
You dont suck Brandon, you're just a dad now!!
Haha very true!
You should do the Wilson diner power it’s so good it has so much pop and forgiveness
It’s coming in a couple videos
I'd still take the Mizuno. I'm a Mizuno fanboy
uno! Someone finally put these against eachother!
Let’s gooooo!
Dispersion would go to mizuno. If you are hitting 12/15 just left of the target then you know to sim a little more right.
Both very impressive 👨🏻🦳⛳️🏌🏼♂️👨🏻🦳🇨🇦
I like the Mizuno STZ 230 more. Better on dispersion, more forgiving.
Great driver for sure.
so longer shaft , lower spin head and lower loft , Wonder why it was longer off the tee . LOL :)
either use the same shaft in these to get better results or get fit for them to even out the playing field . IMO of course . but it comes down to the golfers trying out the clubs and maybe price comes into affect then . LOL
These are both stock options. If you wanted either of these drivers, this is the set up you’re getting. I dialled in both clubs for max performance.
If you check out golf spy driver ranking STZ ranked very low , TSR3 , 3rd over all in distance , accuracy and forgiveness
Hi Brandon with the new pxg being released today will it be in any brackets?
Kind of lol. We have a PXG fitting booked so we can get the data but it wouldn’t be in a video style like this one. We will show the data how it compares to every driver we test so at least I can still rank it
Hzdous green is a huge shaft to put in stock … Counterbalanced hulk (hzdous green) basically but you need the heavier version your too fast for 60g
How do they offer the driver Mizuno for $499. But if you just buy a shaft $389
Either of those 2 are game worthy. It's encouraging to see Mizuno drivers coming along . They were trash just a few years ago. I guess it's easy to catch up when your competition is forced to stay still (most drivers are at max CoT, CoR). It's only marketing wank that's trying to convince us to part with $$$
Haha ya they were trash. Lol. Last couple years they've really stepped their game up. Hard to find a bad driver theses days.
Cobra for the W.
Cam smith a god
Love Cam Smith. 🍻
Averaging 30yds offline?? There are videos I have seen where the average would be around 10yds for the Mizuno. Maybe not one of his best swing days...
RIGGED
I ceramic coat my woods for more SPEED!
Please explain your technique, and what you use. Thank you !!!
@@ablazer4551 Basic car ceramic coating. Lasts longer than waxes and more durable. Wipe on, wipe off!
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I’ll take Aerojet to win it all
You shouldn't have included the Titleist since that's your gamer.
I don’t have a consistent gamer right now.
Need another eitb
Not exactly an unbiased test huh. I driver off the shelf and a driver that you were already fit for?? Should've added more people to try the clubs out
Both off the shelf. The TSR3 in the vid is a fitting club with completely different specs than I was fitted into.
H1 would help ya on tsr
Have played around with H1 but will look again. Dialling in the heads gets tiresome because I can hit almost every setting down the middle and then offline 😂
Paradym and Taylormade will put up longest drive. Titleist wins it all
The results may differ from what you think 😉
Well seems like it’s not a true comparison if you’ve been fit for the title it’s one. Ur automatically going to hit it much better than one off the rack like the mizuno
I used the stock Titleist shaft and off the rack settings as well for the Titleist
Why bother mentioning who hits what driver, they are PAID to hit/endorse said product!!!
That really bothers you that much? Haha. Enjoy golf n hit em straight. 🏌️⛳ 🍻
Wasn’t the Titleist set up for you and the Mizuno wasn’t
No dialed in both. Wasnt using my fitted titleist. It was stock
The hzrdus shaft is too stiff for you, thats why its fading
If it was that simple. Swing coaches and club fitters would be out of a job.
@@NewNineGolf I'm saying this from experience. I play that green hulk TX, with 128 club head speed. If it's not swung fast enough it will just fade/slice. When I switched to the hzrdus black gen 4, it was the opposite. I'm just saying try the same hzrdus black for both.
Still enjoyed the video
It’s not a stock option from Mizuno so we didn’t have that shaft with the correct adapter.
@@NewNineGolf Not sure why they wouldn't offer the black stock. The green is just a beast, not for everyone. Hzrdus black feels amazing and has great consistency.
Why stock shaft?? Why
It’s not an up charge and available to everyone interested in that driver. We figured an upgraded shaft is less relatable to the majority of our viewers.
who else could tell zero difference in sound lol
Haha ya prob more noticeable outdoor. lol
Fitted shaft vs a non fitted shaft is not scientific🤔
I used the stock option in the Titleist as well.....
Once you said the word “fucking”
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316 carry rolling out to near 340..!! Analysing your swing and the entire me, me, me performance strikes me as pure Bullshit.. Sorry buddy, but you are not on the same wave length as 95% of Golfers World Wide..I would suggest you go to Tour School, engage with an agent and have that person market you alongside Rory Mcilroy..😊
Why so bitter? Alot of ppl can hit it far and not sniff scratch let alone mini pro tour. Lol. It's a video, chill and enjoy golf. 🏌️⛳🍻
RIGGED....who ever sponsors the most will WIN!
Most definitely not lol
@NewNineGolf Obviously...We don't expect you to admit it.
@@captainculpeper1250 lol. Theres no we. Its you. Probably because you own a Mizuno driver and it lost so you're trying to put down my character. Lets use some common sense. Mizuno won in my iron video, so they paid to win that right? its a driver bracket and you think companies sponsor to win and then lose. I dont know how much money you think people make reviewing clubs. lol. Please go troll somewhere else.
@NewNineGolf
long reply... I do own a Mizuno driver and 8 other ones. These contest results are bogus and catered to the sponsors. I know because I tried them all... also very few people swing that fast and the driver result so differ with swing speeds. So your results are garbage on 2 accounts.
Your testing and results are bogus as you don't know what you're doing and cater to your own brand preferences. I know because I've tried all of them.... 🤷♂️
stolen txg content idea
Who did the first golf club review? Guessing TXG stole that idea from them.
i quit watching at 0:36 ..........you cannot compare unless you the same shaft. period.