do LS oil system tricks work? timing chain and china pan install
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- čas přidán 16. 03. 2023
- Oil Pan kit i used since many people asked
www.amazon.com/gp/product/B08...
my only issue with this kit is the dipstick itself does not fit in the tube for shit, let me say i wasnt expecting anything near this nice for the price haha, but you might wanna, or need to get a regular GM delco dipstick, as i probably will, i bend and drilled and ground and beat up this one till the stick would go down, but i bet for the 30$ ish dollars it probably is for the real GM stuff i would feel better, we will see how far that goes.
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It's like watching an old video. It's even got that sitting in his lap vibes. Effing with camera making it worse, fighting auto focus, putting'em bolts down with ol McRed.😂
Holy crap 38 minutes. That's 4yr ago sloppy
Edit* I'm here for it
Back to basics. I miss this type of content. Glad you're back at it.
27:49 Ahh there's the sloppy we know and love ❤️. Nascaring the windage tray with the ol brapper
Nice to see u work on something with oil cake batter again and not even consider shims, ur back.
Damn Fancy Mechanics😂. I never replaced the barbell or the timing gears. I have tossed a chain on a few of them and I only use the tensioner on manual transmission vehicles.
these are the videos the people want
Is this an og matt video???I thought i read 2 years ago not 2 hours ago 😂🤣 i live this og matt content.
This really hit me in the feelz. Can’t see, can’t remember, messing up sequence ect.
Love these types of videos, as I'm sure everyone does! Just the commentary alone is comedy lol
Man you're really knocking the videos out, thanks for the content Matt. Oh and that cam plate O ring definitely affected my oil pressure along with shimming my pump spring.
5:03 (s)melling😂
Thays what we called em 😂
Full Auto Milwaukee! HAHAHA. Love these videos!!
Lol! I love listening to you work! Sometimes at work I have to turn off my screen and I can only hear (I have to "rewind" if anything out of the ordinary happens) but it's like working along side a buddy. "Unsub" HILARIOUS! 😂
10/10 content. Happy St Paddy's day, Matt.
Do the rear cover aswell, because it has the same oil passage. Did on my 6.2 and helped oil psi alot.
I changed the barbell out on mine and it made a big difference. I had already changed out the cam plate prior due to the cam swap.
Ah yes, Matt back to his roots. Love to see it
I've been using shims behind the stock oil pressure spring and getting 38 40 psi hot after a pass. High 90s psi during the pass. Vr1 20 50 oil there all the same on 3 different cars. Also use a felpro o ring on the pick up.
Came back to watch again for the part numbers
Your oil pressure is always low because you don't put cam bearings in them. Ever since I started putting new ones in, my oil pressure has been 20-30 psi higher. Aint a barbell that'll fix that.
A spring isn't gonna change idle pressure. All that does is hold the bypass closed so you'll have more pressure on the rise, the bypass doesn't open at idle..
You're not doing much of a high rpm na build with that timing set! You need a chain dampener and adjustable timing set so you can degree the cam..
I'm the opposite of sloppy. I have issues. This actually made me sick to my stomach. Bit I was sloppy When I installed my new cam bearings. Didn't check clearance, Thinking hey new cam new cam bearings...good to go. Nope! Have half the oil pressure I had before and The old burns were trashed. Whamp' waaa. Probably 1-5 from what I've seen on powel machine. 🫰
Instead of using feeler gauges to set the oil pump gap I just turned the crank a few times and sent it. It's fine lol
I used the g8 afm pump on my latest motor 126 pound oil pressure when tyre firing the streets.
Porting and dimpling the oil pump and adding a couple small washers to the stock spring gave me all the oil at 70+ psi and 40-50 psi at hot idle
Yup. All I did recently on my “refresh” was washers to the stock spring and dumbbell and I also have 40-45 psi hot and over 80 at wide open
Same here .100” shim to the stock bypass spring is a good upgrade. +- 60-62# cold start, 48-50# hot idle and easily 70#+ with rpm. Recommend to run a 7qt oil pan capacity if possible.
Excellent background music. QoTSA rules.
In sloppy fashion I cut the snout off an old balancer for timing cover alignment. No fancy Summit tool here. Always enjoy the videos
If you want a cheap performance pump, The LC9's with DOD have a higher volume pump. With just the DOD ports blocked I'd see 70-80psi at idle and burry a 100psi gauge at RPM. I actually snip off 2 rungs on the spring to get pressure down with the LC9 alum 5.3's.
I know you aren't a "torque spec fella. but those #40 torx screws on the retainer plates are only 11ftlb. They crack at the countersink if over torqued sometimes.
I noticed this as well, good to know I can lower it a little bit by just chopping down the spring. Seeing over 80psi at idle was disconcerning, lol.
Best video in a long time!
Lmao great video, love the nascar windage tray install.
Beware of 'knock off' cam plates! Got one that looked perfect, but was a few thou' too thick. Tightened up the 4 bolts and it locked the whole assy up. Did nothing but swap to a GM one and it was perfect.
And the borrow of the kids playdo to check the oil pickup height to the pan.
Mahle brand cam plates always work well for me. Get them at my local oriellys same or next day which is nice.
@@Pinestreetperformance - I'm in a 'rural' area of southern Canada, so am somewhat limited to what I can get on the jungle site, or have mailed in. I have used other Mahle stuff in the past though and have always been impressed!
Little late, but I have a 280K mile unit, I just did a 10296 and a copo spring, nothing else, warm is 64 and hot is 96. sbe 5.3 on E85.
My 6.0 DOD delete engine has crazy high oil pressure. Hot summer day with ac on it's never below 50psi at idle. WOT pull goes up to 90psi and that's on a auto meter mechanical gauge.
Yeah same. I have an Envoy denali that I deleted the DOD on and put a C6 corvette pan on and that thing always has around 50psi at idle. I left the stock oil pump in it with over 200k miles.
I died laughing at 27:45
On 🤣🤣🤣
I have also seen if you are using the dod/afm motors that the oil pan pressure relief valve on the inside above the oil filter sticks open will cause the pressure drop. Pull that and plug it.
i have heard that also!
built a 408 with a 10296 half H bearings and half HX bearings on both crank and rod to get desired clearances. Put in the big spring that came with the pump and with 20w-50 it makes 85psi at idle and goes over 100psi every pass
That’s too much pressure for me. You don’t need that much pressure in these engines. 40 is enough at idle. You’ll be blowing out seals in no time if you’re at 85 at idle. I’ve also found the the lighter weight oils need to be changed more frequently.
I’m sure their are guys freaking oil with you not using a torque wrench on all those bolts but I have been a flat rate tech for 30 years and that works for me just fine !!
Shim the spring as well. The only way I’ve ever been able to increase the idle oil pressure is to increase spring tension at low flow I.e. shim them. I now do this for every engine I lay my hands on and typically never see less than 40-45 psi at idle and never less than 80 psi above 3000 rpm. I recommend it for everyone. I went extreme and even doubled the shim stack (from .0125” to .250”) in my daily and have run 50+ psi at idle for almost 4 years on a bone stock L59 5.3. Can’t recommend it enough
Shim and the big boi I installed together? Shewwwwww
@@SloppyMechanics haha go big! Usually shimming the stock spring gives me enough pressure all throughout. The higher pressure springs in my experience provide the necessary pressure up top but still leave some to be desired down low. I mean 40 at idle isn’t necessary but it sure makes me feel warm and fuzzy when I’m hot idling.
@@clappedoutbuilds6637 "usually".....LOL! So vague. I used 3/16" brass bushing....maybe I'll see +50psi over stock 😅
a free mod to try - dimble the face of the oil gears by drilling a shallow hole in the center of the inside gear face at all of the fingers. Also cleaning the passage up with a drimmel helps flow
Keep in mind that more volume isn’t always a good thing. If you have a shallow pan and a road race car fir example
Do you have a link or source for the China pan? Thanks
Red RTV on the cam plate. No need to buy new. Done it that way for over 15years. Never an issue
let me buy a seal alignment tool then proceed to torch a new seal with a hot hub 🤣
we sure aren't here because i am pretty! lol
I saw a drop on oil pressure after an oil change with a PF46 filter. I got a hint there was a change in production. It dropped 10-15psi. I got a hint from the SPP guys that using a UPF48R filter from a ZR-1 would restore it. It worked- back to normal
The Oil filter caused a drop in pressure?
@@StreetRacingLifeStyle from my experience yes. I use a wix filter from a grand prix (2006? 3.9L) that is longer for extra filtering
@@bobbobby1846oh that's not a cartridge? Interesting
@@mxmang on my 2006 silverado 4.8L. 40 psi at idle with 5 30w oil at 550rpm at operating temperature. wix filter 51522.
Honestly all you need to do for the oiling system is shim the stock spring with some washers, there a charts online how far to do it but usually it's every 10 thousandths is 10 psi. The barbells are useless unless you just want to spend money, and if you want to a higher flowing higher capacity pump grab any stock replacement pump from any motor with AFM because they have a larger G rotor assembly. Then just spend 30 minutes porting and smoothing out the inlet to the outlets to the pump. I get 50psi hot idle and 90-100 full rip on all mine
i put in a melling 70+ psi spring to see what happens instead of shimming and shit
@@SloppyMechanics Either way works 👍
I used to never touch oiling system other than new pickup tube o ring and cam retainer.
Since I started changing the barbell, filter bypass, and spring oil pressure is much more stable and linear for lack of a better way to describe it.
Awesome to hear that’s what I want to see
Hey, make sure to block off the DOD oil pressure relief on the pan if it has one
Not sure if you’re into this kinda thing. Or it’s too late. But I like to port the entry on the oil pump bog and make smooth radi’s. A pump spring shimming too. 300k + mile lm7 lasted 3 years and had 45psi hot and 75+ wide open
@sloppymechanics add an oil cooler and run 20-50 vr1 oil !
Always entertaining
27:50 L M F A O 😂🤣😭
Drove my rx48 yesterday has a journal vsr7875 I did like all the things for op and my idle op is decent 35-40psi at like 170 deg 700rpm I make a couple rips it’s 18psi and water temp only gets to 180’s I have no restriction in the oil feed and no oil cooler… mains and rods .002-.0025 on the plasti-gauge 😅 I dunno I might try both of those things. I wanna see how yours comes out. Without the turbo on it
I just changed my oil pump and didn’t shim it or turn the crank with the bolts loose, I’m seeing a lot of people say to shim it now and a few saying they never have done it, seeing you not shim it or even try to center it makes me feel better, because when I was installing the crank bolt it turned over easily so I’m hoping that means it clears and doesn’t rub
i must have put together hundreds with reckless abandon and oil pressure was never on my mind. never had oil pressure related issues ever
@@SloppyMechanics that makes me feel better for sure
@@SloppyMechanics you never even turned the crank with the bolts loose?
When I worked at a performance shop years ago we used to use the LS2 chain and gears as the chain is supposed to be stronger. Not sure if that was ever proven
If you put cam bearings in these ls engines and add in the cam plate pump spring and maybe the barbell you will have much better pressure. Just the cam plate and cam bearings you will be shocked the gain. Might need relief spring or shim your stock spring.
an awesome experiment would be,
i have lackluster oil pressure after all of these simple mods,
i pull engine and just do cam bearings and reinstall,
and i see a dramatic increase in pressure,
that would be awesome and i will do it!
The oil pump I tryed to get the cap off to the spring put pump in vice and the jack handle on the 1/2 Ratchet I thought I was going to Snap the pump in half so I quit !! I wished u would have showed getting the cap bolt plug thingy off !
We used to shim it with two washers 😂 that will bump the oil up
Prostock used to push volume instead of pressure,so much so idling cold their low pressure light would flicker,to my understanding the pressure costs a lot of horsepower,but volume doesn't so much.
Mr. T starter set.....😂
a guy i worked with used to say it to kids with changggs all the time
Ahh the good ol f the torque specs fkn send it content 😂
I didn’t see any gaskets or gasket maker on the timing cover?
Which camshaft this time?
I actually spec'd a custom one with TSP for fun on this build.
I think the spring will be most beneficial. Of the 3 aluminum blocks I've done, the one in the Ranger is the only one with decent pressure because it has high pressure pump. My daily, and the 350z both have like 25-30 hot idle and that was with new stock pumps, cam plate, barbell etc. The Z even had all fresh bearings. I feel like the aluminum blocks expand more when warm, loosen bearing tolerances and have lower pressure...But, 2 were gen4 one was an L33 so maybe theres something to that...In for results 👍
My ls1 has less pressure than most guys talk about with steel blocks. You may be onto something with your alloy block theory.
There are aftermarket oil pumps with an oring to seal to the block. Yes No? Did Chevy do it to bleed air from the oil?
Hey Ryan have you heard of anybody having issues with finding the right cam bearings for an Lm7 abuddy has tried three different sets and they all had a tight bore after installation and wouldn't let the cam go in or if he did get it to go in the cam was really hard to turn by the book it shows three different part numbers for cam bearing sets I'm starting to think Gm bored the cam bore from opposite ends of the block and must of had some alignment issues to have three different sets of cam bearings for the same engine the old Ford modified engines had the same problems if your center cam bearing wasn't chewed up you left it alone and just replaced the others because any we did all the cam bearings in one it wouldn't let the cam go in or would spin the center cam bearing during break in or shortly after
@@79huddy What tool was he using? The LS specific tool, or the universal expander type tool? The expander type is real easy to mushroom the ends of the bearings enough to make them tight. Or if they're slightly crooked they'll be tight. I also believe some bearing material can get scraped off the back side and make high spots in the bearings. When I did the Escalade bearings there was high spots in the center of the bearings, and had to scrape them to loosen the cam. I cut angled grooves into an old stock cam, and put it in, spun it over a couple times, and it scrapes the high spots enough to free it up. But that was with the expander tool. Whenever I've had a shop do the bearings they don't look honed or scraped. I believe the LS specific tool works well too, but haven't tried it myself.
He is using the ls cam bearing tool from Summit I had said something to him about cutting a Groove on the old cam and reaming the high spot on the bearing I had to do that on a Chrysler 340 that someone installed the cam bearings on a gaulded journal I had knocked the bearing out and ran a hone a couple passes but even after the clean up the new bearing was tight my buddy thinks he has to have solid Gray babbitt around the whole bearing I told him it's either ream the bearing or tear it all the way down and have the cam bore align bored and install oversize bearings but he's the type that knows it all so he isn't gonna listen to someone who has rebuilt and assembled engines for over 20 years I was building lima 2.3 race engines for my dad when I was 14 but you know a guy has managed to swap a couple engines and cams and thinks he knows it all I guess I'll just keep watching him ride that struggle bus though
I’m interested in seeing how this works did you check the clearance between your pick up tube and your oil pan you mentioned it but I didn’t see you do it
yep i did measure it all of that looks good also, thanks for checking up on me
How bad have you let cam bearings get? I know the GM bearings are junk and so out of round, but I'm putting in a new camshaft and curious. I'll keep searching around, but I like your answers and thinking.
I think you're a hundred times more cool, likeable, and down to earth (see what I did there?) than space X, esp. it's ceo....
And not to sound like a know it all, but Ultra Grey is my go-to RTV for everything, even though it is considered hi-torque application specific....
What do you use for a camera to record everything?
I'm surprised you didn't also add the oil pickup brace for the other side
Eh I have only done that 1-2 times to be honest, someone sent them to me, I’m not so sure it works so I don’t do them
What was the part number for the oil pump spring?
When did you install the barbell ? Good video. Been waiting for awhile to see this ingeniousness. Lol.
Not yet. Gotta dangle it for barbell then the flex plate install
I really like that oil pan kit, which kit is that bud?
updated description to have link and my THOTS
im very interested to see what this makes when you're done, my l33 all motor is at 382 rwhp, be interesting to see if its low or on par
awesome i was hoping to be right there also, whats your whole end to end, im curious of how much more a china 102 does over arguably the best intake ever TBSS boi
@@SloppyMechanics re ringed and bearinged l33, swapped to 862 heads for a little compression bump, tsp Magic stick 4, btr trunion upgrade, tsp springs, keepers, and pushrods, ls6 intake, home made 1.75 longtube headers into a single 3inch exhaust (might be restricting me slightly According to the tuner) and an old Toyota 5 speed manual
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That's the dyno pull
@@Ironsights85 ahh, manual trans yes i will be doing an auto but still looking to be where you are also.
this little B will easily bomb out low 11s with 400whp
@@SloppyMechanics nice,looking forward to seeing it!
Use either the block or the spring chain tensioner. The 1x or 4x cam gears have asymmetrical teeth on them. I’m pretty sure that’s why they went to the spring tensioner. Stare at the teeth on that 1x wheel. You’ll see them. And I used a new barbell, front plate and high pressure melling and I am getting great oil pressure.
You’ve changed.
Has anyone looked into the oil pumps cut for an oring? The oil pump to block with no gasket is a major pressure bleed. WHY did Chevy make it this way? To bleed off air in the oil?
I thought of this the other day about a o ring model someone has to make one haha
@@SloppyMechanics Butler and Schumann have pumps modified for an o-ring.
these are all ARP bolts right...
Didn't see you install the oil barbell
i didnt until next video when i could put the boi on the hook
@1:37 Your beard got stuck in your zipper? Damn, you're more limber than I am...
Did you forget to measure the pickup to pan spacing? Which isn't a very sloppy thing to do. But i thought i heard you say you were...
So tq setting on the stubby is: #1=10lb ,#2=20lb and #3= what? 30lb?
3 is like 50-75 on a light snap
150+ if you sit on it lol
I may have missed it but is there a timing cover gasket on it?
i'm thinking (hoping?) it was still stuck to the cover, but i had the same question! lol
Yep stock one
I can not believe what i just witnessed.
Gm says as long as you have I believe 3lbs at idle its fine....
Yea fk oil pressure… for real tho, think about it, to high of oil pressure = less HP
Ethanol fuel boils at 178. It should boil off in your crankcase. My meth does. Is your oil always fuel contaminated?
that's interesting as everyone I know that runs e85 their oil looks like crap and their cars have stock cooling systems, so 210deg plus. I wonder if there's more to it than it just burning off.
@@jsomething2 I'm not sure. No experience with e85. But a quick Google shows boiling point. If I don't let my meth engine warm up it will be a little milky. But after 10 or 20 min it's gone. You can actually see puffs of smoke come out of cc breather when it burns off.
@@ryandee8543 that is interesting.
Mine hit the pan and had to be reconstructed
You forgot the barbell
Its like space x with less intelligent members. Its Crayola X.
I can't believe that you left that crankshaft sprocket on. Smh
I've always wondered what's the reason for drilling the LS thermostat? This guy did a great video showing where all the passages go with strings pulled thru, and it mad me think open thermostat means recirculate, and closed thermostat forces water to go through the radiator, so wouldn't drilling it reduce cooling? czcams.com/video/1qRzn0UsHqA/video.html
Maybe you drill a different spot than I'm thinking?
Cam seal should be replaced
the retaining cover seal? i did put a new one on
"they took away my medical license, but that just means I can only practice in new Jersey" or something like that
Edit* or didn't finish med school. One or the other
Like SpaceX, with less intelligent members 😂
beard zipper is the worst
Don’t light your beard on fire!
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its funny people talk about it but my last 30 turbo LS engines when i never looked at it didnt seem to mind whatever they were getting with 300* oil temps from non stop burnouts
when I didn't have oil temp sensord in my old sbc cars, and early ls1 4th Gen. doing mountain runs and track days I never considered oil type, weight or Temps, get a c6 that has oil temp, first trip to the mountains, holy crap 270deg and I'm not even pushing it. Google says up to 300 with mobile 1 is acceptable, next day can put it to 300deg pretty easily. down the oil rabbit hole I go. 5 years later here I am with crazy oil coolers, changing weights and amounts depending on use, looking up filter specs. (WIX 57502XP higher LT style bypass 22PSI and longer, flush with bottom of the pan) and wondering about an ls oil pump used only the hybrid tahoe's that's veritable displacement and said to save 1.5hp. can still push backed 275 deg on a few laps at speed in a track but guess it's acceptable if ridiculous in my head lol.
fml I miss the old days haha. on that note, you would be the perfect guy to test that oil pump out. part #12623423
and talk. about crazy oil pressure being accepted by gm. this is what prodamand says gm has programmed into the ecm for oil psi specs for that hybrid 6.0L
oil pressure spec hot
36psi @1000
42psi @2000
45psi @4000
afm relief valve 55-75 max.
p0521 ecm detects different oil pressure than expected by lower 6.8psi or greater than 7.3 psi for 10sec
Ls oil system tricks work great unfortunately yours don’t
Painful to watch
shit you should try being me
@@SloppyMechanics man I'd spend a month just cleaning that steaming shit you put together
@@Airman.. was that supposed to be as homoerotic as it sounded? lol