I Wish Someone Told Me This About Vertical Monitors (GAME CHANGER)
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I recommend LG Dualup
Didn't know about this one. Will look into it. Thanks!
yup totally i was about to tell the same
Dualup is exactly what I was thinking too
Would be very interested in seeing your thoughts on it! I was going to suggest it also
Yes! The DualUp is the way to go. I have this plus the LG 5K2K curved monitor. Although I use the DualUp for my browser and the 5K2K for my dev IDE.
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I tried for some time for general office tasks and found that I was still scrolling. The top and bottom parts are too far away to read there with comfort. It's like on a phone, you scroll more than you need to to keep the text you're reading in the middle where your eyes are. I prefer normal orientation for screen sharing, my main monitor is much bigger than a laptop monitor that I might be sharing to which makes it hard to see for the person on the other side.
This is true but if you know something is up or down there, then you can quickly move your eyes to it. Code or spreadsheets in particular.
I hate vertical displays because they contrain the WIDTH of the windows too much. For me nothing beats a 32inch 4K display. I use that for coding and never feel like there isn't enough height on my apps windows but the best part is I can make my windows as wide or as narrow as I want/need. That's a liberating feeling. I rarely need to use the macbook monitor when I'm on my 32inch monitor, I use just that one screen for everything and it allows me to focus better too rather than with two or three monitors with stuff flashing and moving on them constantly.
The Benq RD240Q has "only" 2560x1600 pixels and a display ratio of 16:10. I think the RD280U and RD280UA with 3840x2560 pixels with 3:2 ratio and a better coating are much more interesting for coding and the other things you mentioned.
I'm also getting the RD280UA from BenQ and will check that out as well.
You might want to check out LG's Dual Up Ergo 28in Monitor - 60 Hz (2560 x 2880) Nano IPS Display. I think it will be more expensive however and I am not sure it is enough of a spec bump from the one you are testing now
I used to have a 32" 4k monitor in portrait and another in landscape with my Mac mini. It was amazing for multi tasking.
Iâve been using two 27â 4k monitors, one in landscape and the other in portrait, for years⊠works perfectly đ
You should check out the LG Dual Up monitors that offer a 16:18 aspect ratio. I have two and find they work very well for my needs.
I have one as well, it is now a must for working effectively.
If coding is your work, need to use pro tools at home office, 5k 40â curved will give decent ppi, enough vertical space and far corners not too far away, plus it can be all over single type-c wire including 90W power delivery
lol itâs funny watching this as someone whoâs been rocking a vert monitor since 2008 and now has the LG DualUp as my main and only monitor.
are you using BetterDisplay? this thing changed my life. There is no more "oh you need 5k blablabla scaling mac 200dpi blabla". No... even on 24" FHD display, by simply turning on HiDPI, which will scale it up and then scale it down, it makes such a difference. On 1440p 32" monitor as well. I used to think Windows was superior in scaling, but now that I use Windows as primary device again, my extenral displays look like crap. Plus, you can control brigghtness of connected displays, which I didn't even know you can do over HDMI and DP ports. same of built in displays XDR config, bumping the brightness to higher than standard and having full control. It's a godsend that I wish would be available on Windows as well.
Totally agree. Worthy of a video on its own. Best MAC utility ever đ and the basic version is free.
Hello Alex,
I am eagerly anticipating the commencement of medical school this fall. As a current Windows user, I have been contemplating the transition to a MacBook Air, particularly after your insightful discussions regarding the new Snapdragon chips. I am looking forward to watching your reviews and would appreciate a diverse range of topics beyond just coding. Thank you in advance for your guidance.
The Joke on stack overflow cracked me up đ
Itâs mostly llms now bro
I have a 34" ultrawide 2k monitor and recently bought a 15.6" portable monitor to use with my laptop when I'm in the go, but also decided to use it as a vertical monitor with my everyday setup and it's been pretty useful. I use it mostly for teams, terminal and notion but sometimes when I need to review a bunch of code I also use a second VS code window in it, it's been more useful than I actually anticipated it to be
My preferred setup is still a single horizontal monitor with desktop switching. I love dedicating certain tasks and programs to certain desktops and just switching the same OS between them. No having to move vision around the desk and no bezels/gaps to look at.
You are right, simply looking ahead is more natural. I have even tried 4K televisions up to 50" and having to look up is the most uncomfortable.
I run iMac Pro w/ 4 EXTRA 4k monitors, two vertical and two horizontal on the outside.. It's dreamy
It's in your avatar even. That's a lotta
@@AZisk That's my old setup. The new setup is way more extreme. 180 degreees of monitors. All around me. Curved 32" Dell 4k's
@@RealtyWebDesignersyoutube will have to implement 360 avatars for your next one then :) cheers
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how do you do a 3-way merge on that setup? đ
I Use my MacBook Pro docked with a Samsung 4k 27inch monitor in vertical and an iPad Pro with sidecar when I need more real estate.
the laptop screen is always off. its almost like having 2 1080p monitors stacked on top of each other without the bezels.
I have two 18" 4K monitors, and both have been in landscape orientation forever. After watching your video, I changed the one on the right to be portrait orientation. It's very useful for code and xaml (had to change the xaml to be split screen over/under rather than left/right!), but I find that the Solution Explorer and Property Explorer, which I keep docked to the right side of VS, tend to take up too much space. I'm investigating options, such as moving those to a second monitor. Thanks for this video! I had a nasty pinched nerve in my neck for the first few months of this year, and I attribute it to the fact that I'm continually hunched over my keyboard. Looking up at the portrait monitor should help a lot.
what brand and model are those monitors, uperfect, innoview?
or did u mean 28" 4K?
@@0netom Yikes, yes, that should have read 28". They're ViewSonic VX3276-UHD monitors.
IPS panels are the best for scrolling text, since white-to-black and black-to-white and corresponding values grey value transitions in opposite directions take up a very similar amount of time. TN panel has sticky whites, VA panel has sticky blacks that linger for a few frames.
But i also think 120Hz or more is very good for the purpose of quickly scanning through text like that.
I have two 27" 4k monitors at my work setup. I rotated one of them 90 degrees a few months ago and have left it like that since. I put my email on it and my code window, and it works pretty well. Everything else goes on the other screen.
I bought an INNOCN 28C1Q 2560x2880 monitor for vertical purpose and it rocks!! I have an LG 4k 3840x2160 and my laptop as a 3rd monitor. Had this for several months now.
Thanks for the review and suggestions. I would love to see a more detailed review of the BenQ developer monitor. I am surprised that it feels pixelated. I have a BQ 32 UHD screen and although it's chunky the experience has been first class. I use the hockey puk all the time to switch between different light modes for different tasks
About 2008 I used to have a 2 Samsung (forgot the model but itâs 1600x1200) 3:2 aspect ratio in portrait orientation. Using xrandr scripts and docking port it worked really well. However these days since 2018 I moved to a single ultra wide monitor. I am also trying to minimize to only use a smaller window. Because to be honest our field of vision is narrow. Less multi tasking is better as humans canât really multi task.
General tip I have for folks working on multi-monitors, set certain apps to be open in those respective screens pending orientation to avoid any confusion. Emails for example imo are best in portrait screen, etc.
Iâve tired all variations, the best setup Iâve found and still use today is 2 horizontal monitors stacked on top of each other and then a vertical monitor to the right (left side is horrible).
Try it and let me know if you agree
Portrait mode is just one of the reasons monitors should be 16:10 instead of 16:9.
How about 16:12 (4Ă3)? 16:16!
@@PatousMcGillicuddy Agree that 4:3 is superior for some uses.
if there were affordable 28" / 32" 4-5K 16:10 monitors, i would be less inclined to rotate them :)
My life changed after I started using a 43" 4k monitor. I mostly use my macbook for its keyboard while having slack open on it
This. I wish they had more 35-40â 4k options. Too many 27-32â.
Idk where I would put that. Seems too huge a difference :)
I put it right above the MacBook centered and a bit farther back in the desk. I then have my IDE in the middle of the big monitor and only put quick access apps on the corners like discord, folders, Spotify, docker for desktop, etc
Apple devices often face this pixelation issue. These devices don't really care about external displays. So you'll always have this issue
â @@lalitsharma3137the pixelation comes from the low resolution on the monitor, nothing to do with Apple. However win does handle low res better, as it needs to run on whatever legacy hardware, but itâll still be pixelated
Until recently, Eizo sold the EV2730Q, a 1920x1920 26.5-inch *square* monitor. There are reviews on CZcams, but as it's been discontinued, the LG DualUp is the way to go, and much cheaper to boot.
This is my exact setup since 5 years, right vertical monitor, left horizontal, and mac in the middle on an elevation to match the monitors hight
Best programming monitors for saving eyes and ergonomics?
On my treadmill setup I have an LG Dual UP monitor flanked by a 24in 1080p monitor on each side. This allows me to keep my focus on the main screen, and keep notes and documentation, chat, email etc, off to the side. It also keeps me from having to turn my head too much, which is annoying while on a treadmill. My only complaint is that the side monitors have a much lower ppi, and I think 1440p monitors would work much better. That, and trying to use multiple computers with 3 monitors means lots of toggling each time. I really want to try a 4k ultrawide, but they're a little pricey at the moment.
Haven't heard of Dualup - looks cool
Iâve worked on a treadmill for 15+ years and agree that a monitor straight ahead with chat/notes off to the side works best while working and walking. I used to have a portrait off to the left and landscape in front above my MBP. Recently went to a 1440 deep ultrawide and ditched the portrait as I wanted more width right in front. Itâs definitely a different experience, but working for me.
@@NigelBassman My sit down desk is also a 1440p ultrawide with my laptop off to the side. It's been working better than I expected after using 3 monitor setups exclusively for the past decade. I can fit 3 windows on the screen at once as long as I hide the side bars, or 2 depending on what I'm doing. I'm moving soon and I'll probably mix it up, but I'm not sure quite where i'll land.
@@AZisk If you want a little more wide in your vertical monitor, it's a great solution. 4 windows in the 4 corners also works pretty well if you don't scale the screen too much.
Iâm using the Asus ProArt series monitors for coding. I think youâll appreciate those screens. The 4k is probably overkill but those screens are beautiful.
Great video Alex, making me consider whether I want to introduce a vertical monitor to my own setup.
Also, I had a question about Apples M series chips that I'm not sure if you've answered elsewhere or not (if you haven't, it might make a good video!). The question is, from a developer perspective is it better to get a current gen M or M Pro chip or to get the previous gens M Max chip (so for example, the current M3 Pro vs the M2 Max). I know they tend to score similarly benchmarks wise, but in terms of real-world performance is there much of a difference? The Max chips tend to have more cores and come with more memory and storage as standard for example, but is a more up to date chip able to offer better performance despite the lower cores and memory.
Anyway, keep up the great videos Alex đ
that monitor should be reasonably "crisp", what you're seeing is likely just an artifact from how MacOS renders the display. from what i recall it likes to render a 5k image and then downscale, and if the ratio isn't perfect you'll get some pixelation or blurriness. it's especially noticeable on a 4k monitor
For me the value lands on the possibility of having 3 full size applications on top of each other in 1 screen, easily done with Magnet. I usually do Slack at the top, browser in the middle and postman at the bottom. Code on the main monitor and closed macbook
I used to have vertical monitor in the past and I loved it. However scrolling seems not as smooth as landscape. But that was years ago, not sure if that is improved now.
I have an ultrawide 34 QHD horizontally and a 24 QHD on vertical. This for me is the perfect setup. Sometimes I feel the want of another one on vertical on the otherside, maybe on future.
I use landscape mode above my macbook. Feels good
Busted! Yes I still use stackoverflow
LG DUAL-UP is the one. Loving it. It deserves much more popularity. If I was the product designer, I would do exactly this. It has all the things I was craving for.
Mainly an actual proper two-16:9-monitors-in-1-vertically solution. And powers the laptop as well, clean single cable solution. Nice multi-flexi pole-stand, frees up desk space, no need of 2 power bricks, 2 power cables, 2 display cables.
Am using portable monitors, one in office and one at home. 16 inch in office, 13 at home. Normally use 13 on portrait, and 16 landscape. Portrait is always on right side, 16 is on top of my MacBook Air.
the 28" LG DualUp 2x2K 2560x2880 feels too grainy if you are used to MacBook/iMac PPI levels & it's quite expensive too.
a 32" 4K in landscape 2K virtual resolution has the best price / productivity / convenience ratio.
M book is a custom calibration for MacBooks from Ben - was eagerly waiting for your inputs on that! please do one soon,,, I have spent 1000s (Indian rupees) on monitors for my base intel 2018 MBP with no luck in getting the 'heat' under control!
Check you BenQ monitor settings. I found out-of-the-box was not great, but setting the resolution to the monitors native resolution was super-sharp. It had more to do with Apple than BenQ. You can also set the color to match Appleâs Display-P3.
thx. will do
I use Spectacle and hot keys for moving windows and resizing them both in single monitor mode and when I use dual displays.
I'm thinking about buying an LG dualup.
after reading the comments, it seems INNOCN 28C1Q & BenQ RD280UA are good alternatives too
When you put a window in a vertical 4k HiDPI monitor, the width of the screen is only 1080, which is too small for any window. The only use for a vertical setup is reading documents.
if only we could disable some of the upper part of a 16:9 screen when it's in vertical orientation... because looking up is indeed gets uncomfortable quick.
i think it's possible to do so in X11 with xrandr, but how can we achieve that in macOS?
for a long time, I had three vertical monitors, however, not all laptops, support 3 monitors and switching input to multiple laptops was a pain. I found ultimate solution: get a 55 or 65 inch curved TV. Theyâre only about $500 - $700. And use apps like magnet or fancy zones that will allow you to easily divide up your monitor to 3 portrait sections and you effectively have three vertical monitors using a single monitor! and the tools like magnet and fancy zones allow you to instantly convert sections of your monitor to landscape as well. so for example, you can easily have two landscape on top of each other plus a vertical on the side. It works amazing and I try to tell everybody about it. On your set up since you have your Teleprompter and other equipment right in the middle that may not work but for most people itâs amazing.
If you think this is a game changer try the largest monitor you can find. It is practically a widescreen and a vertical in one device which is heaven
The left monitor is where Alex keeps his dark projects - get it - off monitor - dark projects HA!
If you flip the monitor 180 degrees, the thick bezel will be less noticeable if you have it on the far side of the viewing position. I hope that helps.
I see myself using the wider screen more. I always have multiple tabs open (terminal, logs, code, test file, JSON).
I wish that Google would implement a static viewport for the video, so you could scroll through comments and watch the video at the same time.
Picture in Picture can handle it đ
@@zbirek thanks but no thanks. Iâd like a version that functions across all browsers w/out extensions. Not to mention, PIP usually doesnât have all of the video controls that I like.
@@OneMindNoLimit true but still something đ
Lean the vertical display back a bit and put a 5:4 above it and start playing pinball. Having both orientations is best.
I use a 32" 4k as my main monitor and the LG Dualup off to the side.
I have a 27" 4k LG display and portrait mode makes it too high. I was a pain in the neck.
I bought a used lg 24in 4K monitor as my vertical monitor for $200. 218ppi and can daisy chain with my 5k 27â monitor. Highly recommend!
4k vertical monitor, with a bit smaller scaling - my fav setup
also - strongly recommend rectangle app to manage windows - thats a "game changer" x2
i also recommend the LG dual up or geminos T
9:08 Do a longer form review. Good work as always!
I ran a 1440p 27" next to a 34" 3440x1440 ultrawide for a long time.
Sometimes reviewing and utterly crap code hase it helps
This benQ monitor probably looks great on windows with it's scaling options, but on mac nothing will look crisp enough unless it has the mac recommended pixels per inch. its the only reason why the studio display is worth getting. have you seen those DIY guides for making your own 5k monitor with the panel from LG off ebay? its a half priced studio display
i will have to check it on windows. my LGs look good on both windows and mac
The Samsung Viewfinity S9 5K can rotate. I would think that picture qualitywise the S9 would be the monitor of choice.
PS The Studio Display can also auto-rotate, but then you need the Vesa option
You should try "LG 28" Dual Up" monitor.
Yes please do a review on Benq
9:00 "Longer form review". -- yes please! When I use Apple Xcode or Android Studio, their UIs push me toward landscape mode. It's the best way to view the relevant panels -- source tree, design, code, logs, simulator / debugger. But, when I use vi / vim in multiple terminals or in split views, I can see the benefits of portrait mode.
i think every position have + and - . For me is hard to watch left
ight long time (if you coding for example). It's much worse for my neck than watching a laptop)) My current position is 28inch 4k in the middle, at the bottom i have 16inch 2k monitor (it can be a laptop, or just 16 inch screen, for me it's 16 inch screen cause i don't like use laptop screen and in the summer it's hot to use a keyboard...). And in this variation you have some space in left
ight for portrait\landscape monitor, and also have some space at the top 28 inch (if you want).
I cannot use more than one monitor, so I use 4:3. I can see more code rather turn my head turn to the left and leaves the right side empty then my neck hurt. Or read something centered and leaves gaps at the left and right, just a waste of space for me.
Sometimes, you remind me of that guy who bought the chainsaw because he had a field of 50 trees to cut down.The salesman said he could probably cut down all 50 in a week or so. After a week, he brought the chainsaw back to the salesman he bought it from and complained that he could only cut down about 3 trees in all this time. The salesman, genuinely shocked took the saw out back, lifted it, and yanked the starter corde. The saw motor screamed to life, and the guy who bought the saw yelled, "WHAT'S THAT?!!!"
i feel like this too sometimes. nice story :)
Vertical orientation is common in the legal industry. There are even special black and white monitors which are specifically designed to reduce eye strain.
Having nice vertical space and the monitor on eye level is also possible if you just use a 32" (NOT ultra-wide) monitor đ€·đŒââ
2 landscape stacked right in front of you, laptop off to the side as an extra space for discord or whatsapp, and a vertical monitor to the other side, which spans the height of the 2 stacked landscape monitors. Using a 32" 4K M8 Samsung smart monitor for main, 28" Samsung 4K for uppper landscape, and Smasung 34" Ultra-Wide for vertical monitor, which is almost exactly the same height of the 2 stacked in landscape mode. I would never use my 13" macbook display as a main monitor while I have larger externals available.
Im sold, recently moved as well, im going to try this setup out.
4k Vertical 27 Inch
1440p 32 ultrawide horizontal.
Usually I only do 4k 27 for gaming and 1440p for coding ( separate system) Will report back.
after using for an hour, reading/coding on 4k vertical feels so natural...
If only macOS had an option to rotate external display. Mine always disappears when I need it. I need to reconnect the display, relaunch the settings app etc. just to rotate the damn screen.
I use to use internal laptop screen + 27 pivot dell + 27 landscape dell.
But finally I movie to 2x27 landscape monitors without using internal MacBook screen.
Laptop + one horizontal + one vertical team here. đ Give Rectangle a try for window management.
LG Dual Up Ergo. Iâve read excellent reviews. Only Alex is missing in these reviews
The disadvantage of MacOS windows is noticeable on large vertical monitors. When two windows are used, one below the other. Every time you want to access the menu in the window below, you have to look and move the cursor up to the top of the screen to use it. In Windows each window has its main menu at the top of its own window. Of course, for coding and seeing more parts of the program, a vertical screen is ideal.
Thanks, keep trying things for us đ
but multiple menu bars take up more space, plus u need to aim more precisely to access the one which is not at the top, but somewhere in the middle of the screen.
it's conceptually simpler if the application menu is spatially fixed.
so i don't think there is a clear advantage to either solutions.
it's a tradeoff.
i personally hate that i can't have a single menu bar, when I'm using Linux DEs...
Do you have a video about your entire studio?
i donât yet. not sure if many will be interested
â@@AZisk How you laid it all out looks so interesting for me.
Wait until your eyes get older and you need glasses with progressive lenses. Then looking down onto the internal monitor and looking up onto the external monitor will get really annoying. đą So I tend to put the mac beside my monitor, put the monitor as low as possible and use an external keyboard. But Iâll give it a try with portrait mode.
Thanks for all your videos. I enjoy them!
Another good variant is using a 4k tv as a monitor 42-50" It looks like 4 fullhd monitors 2*2 - very convenient. Also laptops are really bad at ergonomics đą
Your neck and eyes won't be happy with that vertifical space
Or get better with code and file navigation?! Also that long methods\classes⊠itâs a sign :)
Also after a full day going up and down reading on the monitor, a neck massage is a must!
my next review: neck massagers
Full-page screenshots, no scroll.
The reason you see pixelation is that MacOS non integer scaling SUCKS, native 1080p or 1440p looks pixelated since mac doesn't do font trickery like windows. Maybe you can survive on a 4k 27" or a 1440p 24" but the scaling would not be accurate so you'll get less than optimal clarity and reduced GPU performance.
Now for the real solution, there is the Apple studio 5k 27" but that's too big for you, or you need a 24" 4k (I believe only LG makes them, they have two, both IPS, the older one is glossy and would be perfect for your use, and there's a newer matte one but I haven't seen any reviews for it). You could also consider using a cheap used 5k/4k iMac but not sure if it's possible to mount that vertically, I'm not even sure apple still allows you to use it as an external monitor.
tried vertical monitors, too much bezel, even tried vertical 27", tried 50 inch 5kx1.4k from dell, too wide, it seems the ideal setup is what Apple provides, around 34" maybe max 40 inches and as high resolution as possible
LG Dualup
and does this make you realize that horizontal taskbars and menus on widescreen screens are idiotic?
i've always moved my taskbar to the left of the screen ever since monitors went widescreen. i really don't know why microsoft and apple love to waste precious vertical space with these things when there is almost always a lot of perfectly good dead horizontal space they could use
đ€ gotta try
Standing up straight is slanted? I guess I walk around slanted every day in that case.
Apple studio display and just adjust the windows to the height you want. Just a thought. Eye level and better monitor with more options. Waiting for Apple to update Studio Display. Please Apple.
that's cool and everything but that file explorer alone take 40% of the screen, I don't understand why some have the urge of keeping this thing open in all times.
I just bought a Flexispot desk after watching your review. I went for the L-shaped one, and I will build my own top, since like you, I like deep (and wide!) workspaces.
Hope you enjoy it!
You should try an OLED monitor nextđ
I have two vertical and one horizontal :)