The Disc Golf Tip that got me throwing over 400ft...with room yet to improve.
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- čas přidán 4. 03. 2024
- In this video talk about how to move your hand around the disc to generate more speed and spin in your disc golf throw. Much like grabbing a steering wheel to make a car drift. Many people likely call this "cracking the whip" but this is my take on it.
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Hands down the best tip on CZcams. I’m a lefty the was stuck around 350-375 ft on backhand. My buddy sent me this video and I went out to the field to give it a shot and instantly threw 420ft!! It takes some practice and I haven’t quite dialed it in but I can get it out over 400ft pretty consistently. Thanks for the tip I cannot wait to see how it changes my game once I dial it in.
So happy to hear! Keep crushing it man. 🤝🤝
You are cracking the throwing enigma for me after 10 years of playing.....Thanks!
Cheers!!!
Can confirm. I am a long time player, MA40 currently. I've been stuck for a long time. Sprained my right hand and switched to lefty a couple years back. Over this last off-season, I have been working on my lefty game, realizing I should have been lefty all along. My wife bought me a TechDisc for Christmas and I immediately discovered my issue. As a "new" player (with no bad habits baked into my lefty form) the TechDisc immediately showed the deficiency in spin between my left and right arms. My right has 20+ years of wear and tear. I can throw farther lefty for sure, as my speed is a full 10mph faster (60 mph). But the spin was less than 1000 rpms. My right hand hits around 1200 but is only 50mph. As someone who throws approx 370 lefty.... I feel like getting my spin rate to 1200 should get me over 400'. It's crazy since I can throw my Hex righty as far as my drivers because you don't need the speed to get the midrange to glide...just spin. I am glad this video reinforces what the raw data pointed out.
So nice to hear! hope you are able to continue to play and enjoy playing pain free as a learned ambidextrous person! hah Cheers !
Like Mr Finland rocking discs to sleep ... Niklas Attila has smooth form...
yeah he does. smooth with sneaky distance!
I just hit 100m(330ft) yesterday, finally :O I will try this out for sure too, thanks for sharing!
thats a huge milestone! keep always trying new things
Yup indeed the greatest tip, my back hand is around 400-450 and feels like I can get more yet. I realized this early on from watching pros like Calvin and matty O. Coil the wrist heavily and remain coiled all the way through your reach back. Really generates a crazy amount of spins on the disk and makes it a lot easier to throw higher speed drivers. Amazing tip!!!
ty sir. what is your go to disc for big distance?
@@hotbeefdiscgolfstar corvette 165-168g $ star wraith 168g $
@@hotbeefdiscgolfValkyrie 165g. I hit 280 all day long.
I bet you have more in the tank!🤝
Thank you for this. It is so nice to get useful tidbits like this, especially when it isnt the same thing everyone else is talking about. Im really excited to go try to find some more spin! Please keep giving us more little secrets like this.
Dang man thank you. Will do.
Niklas Antilla does the disc pivot as well. It's pretty pronounced as he holds the disc in place with his off arm and right as he releases it comes out of his hand so fast that you can see his wrist extending out. Thanks for the tip good sir!
oh solid call out. That dude is such a solid golfer. 1040 gap hitter with wicked sneaky distance. Best player to ever come out of Europe?
@@hotbeefdiscgolfclose but it would probably be Simon Lizotte though
Oh my goodness gracious...you right. It's so easy to forget he isn't a born and bred new englander
Very pleasant video! I appreciate how you talk about your own throws, and not just delivering silver bullets to the world. Keep it up! =]
ty ty! 🤝
Great description of the sensation you learned.
ty ty!
Yes and yes. I was able to finally break 450 with this technique. It’s hard to explain, but it feels like you’re turning a wheel in your power pocket. You know? And like you said, turn the disc around you. That’s where the disc spins very fast.
Like you wanna spin the disc very fast and whip all at once. The timing needs to be impeccable but once you get it, ooooh baby.
The more I watch coverage now the more I look for this. some guys do it very subtly and others are very pronounced.
Great video! Took me a brief minute, but I recognize the old stomping grounds! (Cascade)
ty ty! yeah this time of year there aren't many other people on the fields...(just piles of dog turds to dodge even though the dog park is in the park...)
It is certainly true that we often neglect "spinning the disc" on release. Personally I play 90% of my rounds on wooded courses so it is quite natural for me to finish my throws with more emphasis on control and this tends to stay in my form when im throwing for distance in the open as well. In your case I think the next step would be getting the weightshift to trigger your "pull" as you are currently throwing more off the back leg and weightshifting midswing so the shift and brace "hit" coincides. If you instead plant and weightshift to trigger the pull your body has time to "switch sides" from left to right in terms of which part of your core becomes the "center" for your stability. This also allows the left leg to function better as the counterweight for your posturecontrol much like a kangaroos tail does as long as you "bring the leg with you" by dropping the knee and turning the foot/knee/hip in, the major change there would be that the "legdrive" is not so much against the ground but rather against the stored momentum of the leg itself after the weightshift. I think Gurthie is probably one of the better examples of throwing power from a seemingly "passive" left leg that is instead employed as a counterweight but most people may need to bring the knee further forward to account for lesser hipmobility. In my not so humble opinion the key to his power from the legs there is partly the downward motion caused by his "brinster hop" so he can work with a lot more downforce on both his brace and his counterweight compared to x-stepping flat without dropping his hips. In any case a more "counterweighted" or "stable" stance is what you need to get the swing to assist you in spinning that disc around by using the wrist-disc distance as the final lever in your "throwing arm"... we tend to focus more on spine-shoulder, shoulder-elbow and also somewhat on the elbow-hand levers but wrist-disc is essentially a 4th lever of extension that is important in "cracking the whip". I think Drew Gibson is also a really good example of a player using all levers and he almost exaggerates it in his distance throws where you see him pull the disc 20 degrees right of what would be a "control" throw.
I am going to take this into account during next field work session. ty ty!
Excellent tip! I have good days and bad days like everyone else. You may have just solved my problem with why that is... I kept thinking my form felt stiffer on bad days but the hand rotating around the disc for that final snap tracks with me. More to it than that I'm sure but that's a piece of my puzzle I haven't considered. Thank you!
Cheers dude!
I’m the same age and have been playing for the same amount of time. I am actually stuck at the same 340 mark as well when it comes to consistently throwing long. I seen so many vids on bracing and footwork but this is a nice golden tidbit I’ll definitely have to keep in mind. Have a good season, bro.
You as well man! much appreciated.
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Great tip!
ty ty 🤝
Thanks man. I am an old guy that really enjoys the game picking it up last fall. I have trouble with my shoulder as I have drilled holes for 42 years. I workout and I am fit but last fall trying to figure out how to throw, I really pulled my shoulder and still working on recovery. I keep believing and to some degree its true, that hand speed is a must. We know if you can move your hand at 65 instead of 55 the disc must leave faster. But as you note, and I watch Simon, and the ease and smoothness of his throws don't seem like he is throwing that hard particularly on an approach shot. You are not last to the party but I have been trying to incorporate "wrist flip" into my putts and throws but this was helpful as you described it - Thanks!
Cheers! I hope you continue to play pain free. Ease of throw is something I have been putting more and more stock into. I've felt things get uncomfortable quickly when trying to throw farther so smooth is what I aim for these days.
Hey, shoulder issues are super common when first starting out. This is caused by rounding 99% of the time. I did the same thing, in fact it got so bad I could barely lift up my arm. I fixed the issue (and added 200ft) by completely eliminating any sort of rounding. It just puts too much strain on the should joint but also kills speed. All of us had to fix it when starting out 👍
Thats an awesome story. Its a casual fun sport i love when I hop in with people like you. We can all do impressive stuff in this game.
Great tip. Question… I find the power grip so awkward so I throw with a fan grip. Will this tip help me with distance even with that grip? Thanks, Craig
I am willing to bet it will help immensely.
Just saw this, and I will definitely give it a go. But I can already tell you that I've never had much emphasis on that part of the throw, so I'm excited to try it out.
Averaging 300 feet Beginner.
can't wait to hear how it goes. I heard somewhere else that the same movement that adds spin increases arm speed and the result is snap.
This is so true. I discovered this to get me from 260 to 300 plus. Ive been working on my legs and hips now. Maxing out ariund 340. But the end of the throw is the do or die moment. Whatyoure talking about here is the difference between the whip cracking or not cracking
This makes a ton of sense! I feel like the boom mic didn't really pick up the snap but its much more audible these days
Great tip. Good video. I’m excited to try it and see if I can get through my own 340 bubble.
You can!
Bro dope thanks man awesome!!🎉
ty ty
I wouldn’t call it an aha moment exactly, but a couple of times recently I’ve “felt” what it means to generate power from the hips. I’m hoping my body catches on to that more consistently because that is some truly effortless distance
Definitely something I need to continue to work on. I feel like I need to get better about keeping my head in one spot and moving everything else.
This might be the breakthrough I need. Except I'm trying to consistently break 200'. I've noticed pro's discs spinning like crazy when they hit the ground so I know lack of spin is part of it.
You got this homie
Thanks bro. Mr. D.😊😊😊
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I like how you threw towards the flag pole as it gives a good idea how your discs (like the glitch) fly in that approximate amount of wind.
Didn't do that intentionally but thats a great note for me to keep in mind for the future, thanks!
‘Round thee outside ‘round thee outside
haha never thought about this!
Thanks brother
Cheers!
Awesome tip, my man. I'm gonna give it a try. I really struggle with BH distance; I think I'm maxing out at around 250. Back/neck/shoulder issues have a lot to do with that, but I'm thinking this tip might give me some extra distance.
Be smooth like MattyO man! Then we will shred until we die.
this is an awesome video! just curious though, how have you noticed this affecting your accuracy when throwing? has it caused more griplocks/early releases?
This might sound crazy, but I feel more confident in hitting gaps and knowing exactly where the release point is...I grip locked a couple times while playing with it but it hasn't been an issue after the first couple fieldwork sessions.
Watch antilla aswell on his hand set up before he throws. A lot of spin generated. I need to focus on this more. Thanks man
Cheers! That dude is so dang good.
Interesting. Yeah matty o does have a very exaggerated concept of this I always noticed but never put too much thought into it. I'll give it a try ... I would like to know what your spin rate is with using the tech disc. Seems to me like you're probably getting really good spin
I would love to know as well. Local shop will have a tech disc station in the near future. Soon as they do I intend to book a session, plus maybe get a little coaching!
I feel like this is Ricky wysocki’s main emphasis for getting distance.
I swear I was just watching him throw the other day and was thinking the EXACT same thing
@@hotbeefdiscgolf for sure. I’ve always noticed that his swing focuses much more on “turning the handle” than it does on getting a full reach back.
It can be hard to see because his form is kinda goofy but the disc comes out soooo fast.
dang.. never though of it this way!
Hope it helps!
In your demonstration, is this motion not causing you to drop your elbow significantly?
Its possible. TBH there are other things I am also working on.
Haha your logo is great
ty ty. Hot Dogs are a funny food.
what discs are you throwing? i feel like I’m close to getting the release down but i also need the right discs.
In this video I was throwing MVP discs because I wanted to try a bunch of em out. The go-to's in this video were the mayhem and teleport. Teleports that come out with a little dome are slept on.
Hoping this is my aha moment. I feel like I'm doing everything right but still only throwing 200ft. I think I threw 250 once. I definitely haven't been doing what you do though. Excited to see!
What discs do you typically throw? I believe you can surpass 200 easily and may even be a simpler explanation for what you have going on. Might be a nose angle issue also
@@antoniokehoe2363 well all my discs go around the same distance. I can sidearm putters around 220 and sidearm the heat around 250-280. Backhand my heat goes maybe 250 tops but probably around 220ish. Definitely throwing nose up a lot though. Almost impossible for me to throw nose down no matter what I do.
@@OneFocusPhotos Ah ok. I'm sure you've been told before but do you ever really throw any mids? If you're getting roughly the same distance (or only slightly more) with the fast discs it's best to just throw those putters and mids. Those will really show you what you may be doing. Something that really helped me start to get the nose down better was holding the disc (for backhands) in what some call a brief case position. So if you're holding the disc you are holding by the rim like usual but the top of the disc would be facing your body and the disc is straight up and down. As you are "pulling through" for lack of better term your arm will naturally try and flatten this out and help bring the nose down. Maybe give that a try. It helped me a lot to get the feel of it and as I started doing that I no longer briefcase because I understand the feeling
@@antoniokehoe2363 funny enough just saw a video a couple mins ago about the brief case. Seemed like it would help a ton. I've only thrown nose down once ever. It shot off so fast.
Right now I only throw putters and drivers since mids go the same as putters for me. I'm hoping soon my discs go all different distances. I literally throw like 3 or 4 different discs tops all round.
@@OneFocusPhotos Awesome, definitely give it a try! It helped a ton for me and really try to engage the hips. Again I'm sure this is all stuff you've heard before. Honestly, if I could go back and start all over I would have only thrown mids and putters. If you're only getting maybe 30 or so feet more with a driver I honestly wouldn't throw them. Of course I have no idea how they fly for you but if it was anything like me, it taught me bad habits to force the disc to do things it may not necessarily be intended to do. For instance I would throw drivers from the start and because I couldn't get them up to speed I would throw them on a good amount of anhyzer to force it to flex and get more distance. This of course created bad habits. I hope you don't take it as I'm telling you what to do, just offering some advice that helped me and might do the same for someone else! Keep chuckin that plastic and you will get there I guarantee
If you want to get to 500' the last part is throwing the disc around your hand.
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Cascade township Park?
sure is!
@@hotbeefdiscgolf nice
I used to play there fairly often as it was closer to where I work
I miss the old layout 😞
teepads would drastically increase the playability.
@@hotbeefdiscgolf yes!
Still a good spot to work on form and such
I’m not so sure about this. I think it help for a smoother stroke, but not convinced it adds much distance. I’m 31 and have been playing for about 6 months and can throw my venom/destroyer around the 450 mark.
I’ll tinker with this idea in the field but based on my experience (albeit limited) it’s more about torc and speed
dang dog thats impressive. TBH I will always accept it possible and often likely that I am wrong. However this was just the thing that I worked on to get me to where I am at. I think 450 might be possible for me soon but there are other things I need to work on to get there!
@@hotbeefdiscgolf Yeah I mean you bring up good examples so it’s quite possible I’m just ignorant, just not something I’ve ever considered I suppose. You’re close to hitting 450 for sure dude
I can feel it.....I really feel like its in the tank
Hey man watched the video back again. Noticed you’re not really perpendicular to the target, you’re more straight to the target, which takes your lower body out of the throw. This could be the adjustment you’re looking for to get some distance being left on the table
good catch. Think you are totally right.
n1 manlet
I wont know the results of this advice but it seems sound. Ill get back to you soon.
Can't wait!
Good stuff. When you are describing distance, the word is FARTHER. Idk why it bugs me so much. Its fucking FARTHER.
Haha I went back just to see that I did that. Good Catch. You would hate to hear me pronounce "milk" or "creek"
Yeah pretty sure most everyone knew this but very good video. The last thing I needed to increase distance that I was stuck at was throwing my left side around. I always focused on my throwing arm and could only get 300 or a bit more. Once I started focusing on power pocket, coil, plant and then throw my left side around fast as I could then the 400s and 450s came.👍🏻🥏
I knew I was a slow learner. 🤣
Great vid. No bs. Great attitude, you look natural on camera. Keep at it my dude. Easy sub. Takes others a long time to get this quality of a video.
much appreciated!🤝
Great tip!
ty ty