CJ Alexander opens up on World Record Buck & Poaching Investigation | Hunters Advantage Podcast
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- In today's podcast, Christian Babcock & Jake Gaylord talk with CJ Alexander and Gabe Foley about the investigation around the world-famous Alexander Buck. The Alexander buck was taken in November of 2023 in Clinton County, Ohio, and the rack was confiscated on December 24th, 2023. We discuss the entire case throughout the podcast.
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People forget about the Michael Waddell. When he killed that buck with the collar and the deer lived nine and a half miles in a safe area where there's no hunting to where he killed it on his property
I was just telling my boss about this.
The deer waffle killed was living on the nature preserve that bordered his property.
@@Dougarrowhead Oh really ? 😃
@@raprock5000 yep he says that on the episode of realtree monster bucks when he shoots it.
@@Dougarrowhead Oh okay I seen that years ago on TV but it's been a while. Thanks for the response. 👍🏼
You guys did a good job asking the right questions! I hope this young man comes out on top of this utter mess.
…….. he didn’t.
He flunked the deer hunt .
Doesn't look good for him. Just watch a video of his indictments and the evidence against him is more than a grudge
@@hueginvieny7959 What was the title of it ? I'd like to check it out. Thanks
@raprock5000 czcams.com/video/XSPRUmnt-Ys/video.htmlsi=Fy2GezpvWj8X4vV4 deer iq is the channel . They have video evidence, and he was caught taking 8 point on the same property and was caught red-handed, moving the deer to his sisters property
Let me solve this case for you. He killed a deer that the DA was hunting and because the DA didn’t kill it he was pissed. The young man should sue the game wardens for confiscating the deers cape and antlers essentially telling him he was guilty now prove his innocence basically turning the justice system all the way around on him.
i’m with you on that exactly.
His story changed again
Nailed it
@@wijoey710how did my story change 😆😆😂🤣🤣😂 it’s the same thing I’ve said 5-8 times maybe summarized more but definitely the same lmao
I don’t no much about hunting and this is probaly a dumb question but what does DA stand for? When your referring to hunting on the DA property?
Anyone else think the knives “evidence” the Wardens are claiming to have sounds like bullshit? What hunter would leave not one, but two knives on the property they allegedly poached a deer on? Sounds like they were fishing trip to me.
Well logically you would need a friend to help you get the deer out. Two people. Maybe got spooked. It's really a logical explanation for it. Whether it's true or not who knows but I can't see them bluffing about knives
@@hdelano11why would they need knives on the alleged property if he gutted it out somewhere else
I think the DA’s brother or the DA himself planted those to be completely honest.
@@Wtz-jx3wh that’s a great point. Hilarious how things work. Also there had to be fur left from dragging a deer. Every deer i’ve drug out where there was not a blanket of snow, left a noticeable trail of hair.
@@ByLebor blood
Anyone who doesn't know that a deer will travel 10+ miles at any point for many different reasons has never had the privilege of hunting mature whitetail bucks in the snow in the Great Lakes region. I hunt in rural northwest PA. My hunting partners and I have tracked mature bucks in the snow that have gone 19, 17, 16 miles, and many others 10+ miles. We have trail cameras out, and when a buck we are targeting walks in front of a camera during a November snowfall, we follow it. We call it a "take me around your world tour." And these bucks know EXACTLY where they are at the entire time. They go straight to buried scrapes and uncover them, and then do the same thing 10 miles away 4 hours later. They aren't searching for these scrapes, they walk straight to them. They know exactly where they are. If you don't believe me, I don't care. Look at Penn States biology department's GPS location studies on over 200 wild bucks from year one. Every 20 minutes their entire lives, these bucks ping their GPS location to a satellite. You will see how far they go... especially during the rut... or when overhunted or even spooked once by a hunter... even a DA hunter. The bull sh*tters saying a deer won't move if he feels safe. Stop the bull sh*t. That Penn State study showed us all that ALL DEER ARE INDIVIDUALS AND DIFFERENT. You can't say one or most deer did this, so this deer would have done that. You need a much better case than anything pointing to the deer traveling. Michael Waddell shot a mature buck in Kansas that had a GPS collar on it on an episode of Road Trips. He contacted the wildlife organization that had the GPS collar in this deer. This buck had a CONTINUOUS home range of elliptical shape that spanned 11 MILES... not even being pressured as most of the buck's range was on a wildlife preserve. Michael had bought the property next to the preserve on purpose. Any person who considers the distance any deer could move as reason to call a hunter a liar or poacher, that person is ignorant by the very definition of the word. By the way... the furthest one of the deer in the Penn State GPS study traveled... 70 MILES. Educate yourselves people. You'll be better hunters... and better people.
Glad to hear this from you CJ ! Definitely on your team brother !
That didn't age well
Still on his team😂😂😂😂
U guys came out and trashed this man now your acting like u didn't do that tale he has hes chance in Cort. U guys are as bad as the rest of them .
You’re exactly right they were the first ones to throw him under the bus I wouldn’t even talk to either of them saying he was guilty and the only thing he should do was to find Jesus and should get jail time and a massive fine
Indicted on 23 counts, plus his friends and sister got some too.
His story was so full of holes, each time he told it changed
@@melvinavis8070 justice for a wasted trophy for someone. 🤦🏽♂️
I just said the same thing and there bes response was "you have a picture less profile"
I wish people could just be happy for other people. I blame the hunting industry as a whole for the jealousy. The average hunter is being priced out, if you’re not a ( sponsored pro hunter ) that shoots a monster like this Buck, Jonny King , Hanson, or anything like these. You don’t get a fair shake. And I completely agree that politics in hunting is ruining hunting. I hope everything works out for this young man.
A pro hunting?More like untitled.I would like to see one hunt the state land I hunt.They would go home crying.
Well it definitely didn't work out 😬
@@user-hs5me4dw4n 🍼
Rich I think you might’ve been just trying to virtue signal to an idiot with a poaching record here
A friend made a bad bow shot on a buck years ago. He gave the buck a couple hours and found some blood. I met him with 1 of my dogs we ended up finding the buck 5 hrs later and over 9 miles from where he shot it..
Dang almost 2 miles an hour! And a whole lot of trespassing!
you Know that Nimrod !
Sounds like hes waiting to find out if he is innocent just as much as we are. 😂
Lol, 100%
He IS innocent until proven guilty!
The fact the deer was being pursued by the DA tells a lot. They're trying to bend it every way to Sunday to make him guilty, not trying to find the truth
@@mcw-lg2dm how do you know that for sure? Maybe they just want to be sure the record book status that goes along with this deer is 100% legitimate. I would think most hunters would want that. Whenever you go to these deer hunting shows or seminars and see those deer on the wall of shame that is pretty sickening as well. 👍🏼🇺🇲
@@raprock5000 For sure, but it seems like law enforcement is doing it totally backwards. Treating it as if he's automatically guilty and his burden to prove innocence. They had his phone, every message, call, photo and location so it would probably be apparent if he poached it. Not to mention all the security cams in the area he allegedly poached it in. And how they were trying to get him for trespassing on his family property just because it wasn't in writing seems like they're reaching
@@mcw-lg2dm Yeah I thought that permission on relatives land deal was very weak to start with unless for some reason they didn't want him hunting there, idk. I thought they must of had something more than that but it sure seems to be taking a long time.
@@raprock5000 They may know more than what has been said, just seemed like they didn't. Hopefully everything ends up being legit
They shouldn't be allowed to take your phone or deer just off suspicion. That's not right.
Maybe they know more. 🤔
He comes out in the clear and right. He needs to sue every single person involved in it and see about hunter herassment charger being filed on every one of them.
Dam right. People make me sick. Messing with this youngster because he's not wearing thousands of dollars of camo and flaunting it all over the place and he borrowed some gear. I hope he sues the shit out of the game wardens and the people who made these Auquasations against him
He better start with those 2 podcasters hunting advantage they were the first ones to throw him under the bus saying he needed Jesus and should do major jail time and fines and no way deer traveled that far everyone should boycott these 2 and ruin their reputation. Go back and watch podcast on Rompola buck same thing here saying had to be a fake having guest on who had the same opinion as them Karma’s a bitch and it’s going to bite them in the ass
@@jason6325how did this foot licking comment turn out for you
great interview, first time finding your channel. Subscribed!
Guy's I'm a 60 year old hunter. From the deep south. In those 60 years I've witnessed a lot in the hunting community. I hate to say it but a lot of it left me disappointed in my fellow hunters. I know what I just listened to was only one side of the story but I believe CJ. A lot of it is because he seemed so straight forward and was willing to talk about with y'all. But that's not really what made me believe him. The stick and the two knives doesn't make sense. If CJ is so smart to pull this off how would he make a mistake like leaving that kind of evidence behind. Also why two knives? I'm guessing the second knife would have belonged to his buddy. So not one but two guys lost their knives? Also a DA would know how to plant evidence. I think the buck was probably from the DA's property or at least spent some time there and he's just jealous that someone else killed what he considered to be "his" deer. You guy's did a good job on this podcast and gained some respect from me for the way you handled it. I will subscribe so keep up the good work.
Show me two knives that don't have some kind of fingerprint evidence. If after this amount of time there was no smoking gun evidence on the phones or the "knives" or trial cams or witnesses then I smell a government rat. If after 60 days they haven't come up with enough evidence to arrest- it looks a failed investigation with the state trying real hard to get its behind out of a sling. God will sort it out one way or another. What do I have to lose by believing CJ?
Maybe one day I'll care enough to power though.... but someone needs to put a battery in that smoke detector If I'm gonna watch any more of this lol
Hes story never changes . He seems to be honest. And we will see how it gose.
The way society today is CJ. Even when you're found innocent. There will still be those with negative thoughts.
Or when he gets charged with 23 counts of being a grade A piece of shit.
I believe CJ but it’s hard to believe someone that doesn’t change the battery in their smoke alarm and it beeps throughout an entire 2 hour podcast 😂😂😂
I didn't even notice it until you said it . Maybe I'm a bleep too 😅
Lol.
Bro I was just fucking running through my whole upstairs listening for shit. Thought I was tweaking! Glad I found this comment lol
Like I said in my first post, I love C.J's respect & love for his Dad , who was a detective ! He must have been brought up right. God-Bless Him & his family, and the A-Hole Ohio Fish & Game better GIVE HIM HIS BUCK BACK, A.S.A.P and end this B.S !!!
Ouufff. This didn't age well.
well now that a little more evidence has came out I can see why they confiscated it. It appears he did poach it
This is exactly why I have never had a deer scored and never will. I have killed some nice bucks, nothing even close to being world class. But if I ever do I will not allow it to be scored. The idea of someone calling his self an antler collector, and asking to buy my rack would piss me off. My deer are worth more than any amount of money to me. I hunt for enjoyment and food. And could care a less, what anyone thinks of what I decide to put my tag on. All this makes me hate the “hunting industry” and the laws that are in place and the folks who enforce them. Even more than I already did.
AMEN.
The shot angle completely de bunks all the poaching allegations, if they have the cape or carcass with entry and exit I don’t see them pinning anything to you CJ. I hope you get your deer back. Makes me never want to tell anybody if I kill a giant. I think I may call the GW if I ever do and document everything after hearing this nightmare.
He wouldnt get it back anyway, he sold it
@@79TEOGno I didn’t sell it
Is it not crazy seeing all these people just blatantly spit bs out of their mouths? This world is crashing down slowly with people like them. Hope you get it back. Keep fighting
@@cjalexander6801 Did you personally purchase the antlers?
If you didn't then you are Guilty of conviction by hear say BS 💩
Which is not permissible in the court of LAW ⚖️
@@wallyschurr4014admissible bud. 😂
Congratulations on a true buck of a lifetime CJ...Screw all the haters! Keep your head up and proving the truth!
This didn’t age well
screw the haters? this didn't age well at all.
Dude's got a great illegal search and seizure case. That alone could end up making him more money than anything else. He needs to get a better lawyer and get serious about defending his rights.
In the end he may be able to buy his own raven crossbow.. maybe 10 of them.. instead of borrowing one. 😂
He'll have zero problem getting a lawyer to take this case. ODNR would be wise to drop this quick.
@@tfelich19me and my buddy both have very very good lawyers and to the comment above I’m good on the crossbows lol
@@PBAdventures146Fk Raven ! They’re against hunters and it’s all about their agenda and pushing laws to make money off ppl who buys their junk !
@@cjalexander6801You got this bro ! Envy will not win in the end 💪🏽
I’ll admit it I’ve been speculating myself. Let me apologize Cj, I appreciate you coming out in the public. Being a Michigander, I’m still waiting for Mitch to clear his name publicly. If nothing else atleast the young hunters of Ohio know where you stand. Good luck to you sir!
The rompola buck is a different case, not accused of poaching it accused its fake. I want to believe rompola but go look at the pics of some of his bucks you can clearly tell they are fake or modified
@@79TEOGwhich ones do you believe to be modified?
The full recovery video just came out the things real
Being that I am not on social media and don't post pictures of any kind up until hearing this podcast I may not have taken pictures of the deer right away either. Everyone is so caught up sharing memories with everyone else and completely forget to share them with themselves.
I sure hope this was a legal deal! The hunting community doesn’t need anymore poaching cases!
The chirping ceiling bird lol...perfect.
Lost all credibility when I heard it
@@andrewjames8980 Yep, good call.
That's the vibe I got too
🤣🤣🤣🤣 I will give y’all this one😆
Just watching this and knowing my experiences and what ive went thru it makes me sick to my stomach. Not only doe he need to get his deer and cape back ASAP and go his way but he needs to sue the state of Ohio and sue the DA dude and wardens period !
Morning hunt on a gun season deer drive. Our group shot a buck that was 8 miles away from where we jumped it. We jumped it at first light. It was killed at that distance just after lunch.
Hes smart. He didnt take his phone the day he killed it. And didnt take any pictures of the deer from his phone. I feel like he thought ahead on it.
Yep geo tracking…
Yep its hard to prove now..
So he knew he would kill the deer that day and purposely left his phone at home. Because the deer was staked in place and could not move. LMAO.
@@cman504 who doesnt take there phone hunting. Incase you get hurt, to pass the time away in stand, onx . It's just fishy he didn't
@@cman504 he said he sat all day. And didn't take his phone . Yeah okay
His replies to comments just make me think this guy is full of it. I don't know if he poached the deer or not, but this guy is shady.
Ya parts of his story telling where he fills in the story with stuff that doesn't pertain to the actual story at all.
So glad yall got cj on. I talked with him recently and fully believe hes legit. Great seein yall get together!
Hey guys Thanks for the podcast enjoyed it. I been bowhunter 60 yrs and If I had the chance to harvest a buck like that I would keep it to myself my reason is because I hunt for me and except for my close friends and family no one needs to know. I feel it tarnishes the animals existence by going for a record or making money off its life and I know it would have been harvested legally and If anyone tried to prove me wrong It would really discussed me. And like I said originally I dont hunt for anyone but myself and dont want my credibility challenged just for recognition. I hope they get to the bottom of the true story of this buck so his life was not for nothing. Safe hunting and good luck
It’s such a shame of how many people an the dnr seem to won’t it to be wrong. Congratulations to the dude and hope he wins this👉
His story has improved because of everyone pointing out the holes and just straight up ridiculous shit he said on HUNTR. Of course he’s going to go on another podcast and try to fill those holes in. Would love to have been a fly on the wall when him and his buddy left from the Huntr podcast and what their conversation was like, or after they walked out and see the reaction from the HUNTR podcast guys after they witnessed that shit show in person 😂
Definitely no jealousy from those clowns on that other podcast you mentioned. Clown.
So if the DNR found what they say are CJ's knives, then those knives must have CJ's fingerprints all over them, right?
Story is a simple and timeless one…jealousy.
It’s funny, we Hunter’s represent such a minuscule part of the overall population…true trophy hunters smaller still. Yet, with every big deer that’s killed, there is a scandal. It’s actually comical if you get it. From a mathematical standpoint, almost literally, no one cares…save this small fraction of marginalized guys here.
Our sport is under siege. Our way of like is under siege everywhere, every day…and this is what we spend our time on.
I’m glad I’m not a young guy starting out. As much as I love for this sport…I’d encourage them to find something else. For this and myriad other reasons, I do not think hunting is long for this world…at least as we know it.
Sounds like you have all kinds of SDE going on bruh. Get over your small weenie and watch the Barbie movie a few more times.
I have no idea what happened here. All I know is that’s a nice buck. But he did do a couple different pods and his story has changed.
I’m not the judge or jury. I’m not judging. It doesn’t mean it’s not legal but it doesn’t look good either. I hope it’s legal.
ODNR needs to step up and put this case to rest immediately! Two months of ongoing investigation with no clear-cut evidence of any wrongdoing is ridiculous. Let the hunter be in peace without judgment.
I am not necessarily a person who believes in lawsuits to just gain money. In this case, when CJ is proven innocent, I would definitely file a BIG lawsuit for slander against State and anyone involved that was against him in this case. Shame on everyone who passes wrongful judgment on someone based on your worthless opinions. Best of luck going forward, CJ
I personally am pulling for you. I also expect more records to come from the state of Ohio in the near future!
Just curious where there is slander from the state?
@matthewboettcher1932
The second they confiscated his deer and his belongings, it started a whirlwind of slander/dragging his name through the mud from a number of different media outlets! It all occurred from they decided to take his property without proper evidence. Falsely accusing him of any wrong doing
@@shawnstewart4920 Im not taking sides either way. Not enough information to say one way or the other. As far as them taking property that's part of an investigation. Could be good or could be bad. I personally have not heard the state accuse him of anything. The state is not liable for slander from others. A lot of these comments are emotion driven, not really factual. I hope it gets cleared up soon and CJ can enjoy his trophy.
Ive hunted a buck here where i live that was 200inches for 3 seasons before disappearing . .......and the CJ buck he killed is called mineralized bone . There is 2 different types of antler bone regular bone and mineralized bone due to mineralized soil that the deer is feeding from
what
Definitely, easy to check with soil samples from the area the buck stayed in. However the pics of buck were less less than 20 miles away, so it may be same type soil.
I love how if he had a taken a 150” buck no one would be batting an eye but lord forbid some record book buck of any kind !, they are gonna come for you!
They gotta get that credit man it’s all about money sadly not right or wrong
@@cjalexander6801 yes I agree!!
So I just watched a CZcams on a guy taking down a high drop tine buck. Following from determining where this buck traveled and getting permission on property to hunt this drop tine. This buck traveled over 4 miles away in any given day. If I'm correct he finally shot it on a 4 or 5 acre piece of property that homeless people would travel thru !
My question is why would anyone ever want to harvest a big buck knowing that when a big buck is killed it’s automatically guilty until proven innocent in the game wardens eyes. I’ve seen in here local and elsewhere in the US. It’s ridiculous when the outdoorsmen can’t trust OUR law enforcement that’s suppose to have our back and uphold the law.
Great question about the Rompola buck
1:25:25 this is the oldest scare tactic in the book. Claiming that they have concrete evidence somewhere to try and get a reaction from the culprit/suspect. The law can say anything that they want to.🦌🇺🇸🙏
I’m very invested in this whole ordeal because I want it to be an honest harvest. I know CJ doesn’t have the best personality but he is very consistent. I think he clears up a lot of controversy. I have deer where I don’t think to take photos right away, mostly because my friends just aren’t interested. In the other podcast he said he didn’t have Facebook or anything like that, which tells me he doesn’t have many friends before this harvest. He also doesn’t have prior photos of other deer on his socials so he probably doesn’t care to share them as much as a modern hunter. He knew about meta data and wasn’t bothered by the fact that they wouldn’t find anything in his phone. Most investigators use a cellbrite to retrieve any deleted data from a phone. I think whoever is investigating this is reaching. The thing that bothers me the most is the forfeiture of the phone and deer. I’m not saying this will happen but who’s to say they won’t contaminate evidence in their favor. Any good defense attorney will have this case tossed, guilty or not. A “stick, two knifes, and a backpack”. Screams explicit bias, and we as a hunting community are not helping with that. Trying not to be jaded about this, good luck regardless of the verdict.
Another thing to touch on is about half of all fawns are twins. Example even if they proved the blood in those knifes to be related they would have a tough time proving it. the sheds found 5 years earlier clearly are the same genetics again hope he has a good defense attorney.
He reinstated his Facebook after
And the jackass didn’t even have his phone with??? How suspicious is that.
He was burning it up on the 1st HUNTR pocast😂
Who keeps banging s marks a lot on the table over and over and over? Geez
Bucks travel alot more than folks think...summer range and rut range may be miles apart..5 to 10 miles is base but i have seen deer travel over 10 miles during rut..
I believe his story . I've seen people here in the UK go out on their first deer shoot and get a gold medal Roe buck.
Luck has a lot too do with it .
Just moved to clinton county in september, love living here
I remember the nite he shot it. The picture showed up on my FB feed. I live in Ohio so it was quick. Anyways, I made a comment about the score and the gross and net and all that. His fiancé replied to me immediately about my question. My point. There’s no way this dude would have posted that picture and done what he did if it was illegal. Unless he knows his story is full proof. But I believe him. 10 miles or 12 is nothing for a deer to travel. I’ve literally seen deer run 2 miles in 15 minutes while making drives. It’s unbelievable how much ground they can cover.
Especially after a doe that's still got her yearling and won't give it up to the buck.
You assume he isnt stupid.
The idea that everyone who shoots a big buck gets it confiscated is laughable.
This dude has MASSIVE holes in his story and he won’t be getting that deer back. Sorry.
The funny thing is, it says the nite he shot it. Not day 😂😂. I'm sorry just had to point out that 😂😂😂😂
A deer travelled what 15 plus miles in under 24 hours....not
@@connerhenson8742 Bud I’ve done 20 miles in a day a few times in my life. You saying a wild animal with four legs during the rut isn’t going that far. If it wasn’t near the rut then you could maybe question it. In the middle of the rut that deer wasn’t on that DA’s land very much anyways if it was there at all.
I hear you say a if big buck like this is poached the shooter should go to jail and be fined big time and lose hunting privileges for years and I agree with that. But I think it should be the same for a doe or a button buck. Size of rack should have absolutely no bearing on it.
I just spent 10 minutes collecting all my smoke alarms to find the chirp.
One hell of a buck, congrats! Screw everyone thats questioning you. Their jealous!
I believe he’s telling 90% of the truth. I just don’t believe he shot he where he said he did. Too many coincidences.Doesn’t start searching until 10-11am, doesn’t bring his phone on an all day hunt, doesn’t take a single daylight photo, and he seems to be an expert on Meta data and location services.
Take your lawyers advice and keep quiet till court !🦌
no . Do not speak legally but speak openly and often . Make it impossible for the court to say you are trying to hide something . Post everything you have to social media . Make your voice heard and RECORD THE DNR INTERACTIONS >
@@jesusoftheapes lmao that is utterly the worst advice ever.
Narcissistic people can’t be quiet.
Isn't it little late for that??? lol
Say NOTHING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
These poaching accusations must be an Ohio/Southern thing because there’s people killing monsters in WI every year and I don’t think I have heard that accusation thrown out but 1 time. Accusation was about a game farm actually not even about poaching. What happens when “ole Dan the man” 68 year old bow hunter goes out and smokes a 200” deer and his son posts a kill pic at night? People going to assume and accuse him of poaching it? Some people don’t do camera equipment lol
I have my doubts. This deer traveled approximately 12 miles ( as the crow flies) passed over 50 houses/properties, through and around a state park and lake, just to leave the area where it grew up a giant and had all the does and food it wanted. Meanwhile no one got a single picture of the deer on its trek. There is hardly any properties these days not being hunted or that doesnt have trail cams running. Dont get me wrong, i know deer travel but that distance is absurd. Pull it up on the map. Not to mention all the other red flags.
That distance isn’t obsurd..
Not many pictures of this deer on the property where you say it supposedly grew up. Where are the pictures from last year, the year before, and before that? There'd be dozens of pictures on that property.
All I see is a real nervous person on this podcast
It’s called anxiety you be recorded for thousands of people to see bet you don’t fair to well lol
All I see, is another keyboard warrior, talking shit behind said keyboard.
Lol this didn't age well he was charged with 23 counts so you clowns are just click bait.
Right! I could tell from the beginning that he was full of it.
Like a ghost town...😂
Awesome deer CJ, condgrads and I hope you get your rack back soon.
It was never his.
He will never get it back, he had no hunting license
Please change the battery in your fire alarm!
Are you autistic or something, where you get distracted by stupid little things?
If anything makes you wanna keep your successes on the low more its this situation right here .
U bashed hem on a video that u took down. U should apologize to hem for jumping the gun. This is what u should have done in the first place .
Christian did openly apologize to me that’s the whole reason I agreed to do this
@@cjalexander6801right on brother !!🧑🏽
I Actually Feel The Home Grown People Especially In States As Ohio e.t.c, People Are More Noted Not To Say Or Tell For As Long As Possible NOT TO MENTION TO OUTSIDERS WHAT & WHERE YOU HARVESTED A LARGE BUCK As Long As Possible !!!!...Even Still Doing Everything Legal, I Saw His 1st Podcast & As Said , 20 Days Had Gone By & No One In Surrounding Areas Had Yet To Say Anything !!!!..
I had a buck on my property 160 inch it traved 14 miles was shot by a dude he posted in Wisconsin hunting and I sent him trail cam pics of it
For me if he poached this deer he wouldn’t be sharing his story with the entire world. There are some questionable things that happened but he answered them. Just because you would’ve taken a bunch of daytime recovery photos and shared them doesn’t mean everyone else has too. One thing I’m taking away from all this is if I ever get a giant I’m not sharing or having it scored.
Him banging on that table was driving me nuts.
Don’t watch then.
@jasonbarnes3188 Thank you for your genuis insight Dip Dizzywizzle.
You and me both brother.
Same 😂
@@philipentwistle1223what do you get in life by Shitting on the man above you want your opinion to be heard why can’t he post his that’s what’s wrong with our society my man
I shot a 155 inch buck and never took pictures of it right away and i watched jt drop. Until i had someone come help me get it out
Have y'all done an episode on the Hollywood Cemetery Bucks?
Im not sure about the game wardens in other areas. But in my part of Pennsylvania they are so corrupt its disgusting. I dont understand how no one done anything about it yet. The stuff they do is insain. Asking for bribes. Im not joking.
Yep unfortunately it's like any other job, group, or proffesion, there's plenty of good and bad both. One thing they're known to do around here is, if they don't like you or suspect you of something but don't have any evidence they'll just use something like not having official written permission and just confiscate your stuff. Even if its a family property or something. They don't need a warrant for anything either
Sounds strange to me the guy can buy $1000 i phone but doesnt have the money to buy a decent bow or treestand.Also your going to retrieve your deer of 20 lifetimes the next day with your phone in your pocket and not take one photo with the deer....bs! Maybe if your 75 yrs old not tweny something!
the phones cost 25 a month on payments and are vital to modern life this boomer argument is dumb
Apparently has finally decided to buy an expensive phone I know he said he changes #s alot I assumed he bought cheap phones like me lol
thank you.
No matter where your at, it's all about the inches and when the word gets around they'll be after you. It happens everywhere.
I can relate to not taking pictures. I've killed a bunch of deer that I have no pictures of
You wouldn't take a picture of a deer this big,???
Call BS😂😂😂
@leonmikolaczyk4081 of course I would! But it probably wouldn't happen as soon as I found it!
@@melvinavis8070 just take a look at my wall. I don't have a photo album.
Not casting any shade….but if I had to find a few things that seem if’y it’d be ….he apparently checked the deer in on his Mom’s phone. No biggie, but still seems odd.
The DNR called her because that was the number on the app, she gave them his # because he changes #’s all the time? Quote “CJ”
CJ has a iPhone 13 he mentions. Phone takes awesome pictures we all know. Doesn’t snap one pic to send to anyone!! Not even his dad, the one that suggested he go hunt the property! No photos to his brother, fiancé, sister, mother, buds, no-one!!
Never said I checked the deer in on my moms phone I said her number is my listed number for my hunting license because she’s had the same number for 15 years where as I’ve had 12-13 numbers in the past 10 years
@@cjalexander6801right on brother! 👨🏿
Same thoughts, hope it’s legit, but can’t for the life of me understand how there isn’t 100+ daytime pics of when he walked up on the deer.
@@cjalexander6801dude did you take any day time pictures of the buck? I think that right there would support your case. At any rate congrats on a Monster Buck. Hope it all works out for you.
@@anthonydestefano2014 there was one taken in this video they show it but what a lot of people don’t realize is my dad was in Ohio he’s super sick right now and about to have a cardiac surgery I didn’t have to send any pictures everyone I wanted to see right then and there seen it that day I wanted to live In the moment and there’s no law stating I can’t do that unfortunately everyone doesn’t seem to agree but I’ll be right In the end
As I listened to this whole interview I put myself in the circumstance of shooting a monster buck, I have absolutely no idea how I would react. I’m not a guy who has to post my life on social media nor do I care to have 100 pictures of me with a deer. I just want to get that mount on the wall so I can replay that story every time I see it. Money and position has an unfair advantage and I hope absolute truth comes out, not just assumptions. You need concrete evidence to give a guilty verdict.
Why did you edit this at 13:08 when talking about Don Higgins?
The weird thing he’s father was detective he knows about investigating so he knows by not having he’s phone with him while hunting and also not taking pictures of deer on seen because the pics show time and place where u took those pics that’s why he didn’t take pics of on seen that’s weird I don’t know what to think
I said the same thing. He was smart. No phone the day he shot it. No pictures of dead deer on his phone.
Time to check all the street, store and atm cams when he went there and cam back
He should have called the DNR right off the bat, i think weve all seen this story play out to many times now. I said 15 yrs ago, if i ever shot a world class but im calling the DNR before i ever leave the tree, not touching a thing. You just have to cover your butt. Hope the truth comes out and its a 100% legal harvest.
I think most guys would never have imagined a situation like this. I'm not sure what I would have done before seeing this story but now I know I'd call DNR. It's a good lesson.
Good podcast. I personally believe CJ. This is my first podcast of this channel, personally i could feel the envy from these two host. Maybe im wrong but that’s what I felt. I mean at this point who would want to harvest a record whitetail today just to have your entire life history put on blast because of social media. We see the shaming and ridiculous hoops CJ is having to deal with. Plus the whole Milo Hansen buck as well as the scorer that got fired by B&C. Not to mention at the end of the day B&C will decide if the deer is the new record or not based on the person that took the deer.
Interesting things on this podcast one is that he says, “they can drill out the pedicles which I hope they don’t do that especially if I end up coming out good on all this.” Personally if I was in that position I’d have said “when I come out good on this.” The way he phrased it puts a ton of doubt in my mind on his mindset about the whole situation. Number two it seems as though he knew having his phone with him would be bad and/or taking pictures with his phone would be bad. His family members background in law enforcement would support this.
On the flip side it seems like the game warden initial visit was not very thorough at all. Also, their follow up investigation wasn’t started for a full month after harvest. That to me seems VERY suspect!!
I want it to work out as a legit harvest, and I hope the investigation concludes in CJ favor, but just so many uncertain variables here.
There keeping it for some reason.
I've seen deer travel hundreds of miles regularly,.....in my cooler on the way home from camp
Money is root of all evil,God Bless y'all
Love of money 😳
Where’s the post production pics he talked about at the end? Why wouldn’t you add them at the very end?
Just as mentioned any other deer and this wouldn’t even be a story. Since it was harvested by an unknown/unpopular person they will try to tarnish it or at the least have their emblem (ODNR) involved with the stories history.🇺🇸🙏
No way his lawyer condoned this .
Ya think😂😂. Disregarding his attorney like those posted signs perhaps 😂
Simply genius
yeah feels like he's trying to fool everyone.
He ain't got no lawyer, he said he makes $4k a year or something, only way he's getting a lawyer is if he's charged with a crime
Does he know that he probably just told the world that his parents and grand parent may be committing bank fraud?
Lol so true but this D. Attorney is worried about nothing but jealousy.
Not the brightest bulb in the case it seems like. I have a feeling he's got a hard time making correct choices
What part of video haha ??
Antler configuration is very complex. When a buck is older & grows a huge 8 point rack with a body that matches it usually makes him king of his domain. However a buck sprouting out all kinds of points with tine length much more likely will suffer with beam length. That is the case with that 8×8 from Oklahoma. But 2 huge 8 points will fight until 1 runs away. When a huge 8 fights with a slightly narrower 10 or 12 point mainframe deer they lock up & can't separate & die. So big typical deer will always most likely rely on being a large 10 or 12.
Not saying the kids lying but there's a ton of "Things that just don't occur for $1000 Alex"
@cjalexander6801 I’ve listened to and watched on CZcams a couple of your interviews. I for one believe you . That is an awesome buck , congratulations and best of luck to you young man .
Thank you 🙏🏻
Man you need to get your buck back.
This guilty until proven innocent shit has to stop.
Go get your property that they stole from you, that you paid for.
They do not have a case of any sort, Sue their ass, these shit shows have to stop at some point.
Trust me if they had anything at all ,it would be breaking news.
It's not that hard to get this figured out, don't let them ruin your moment.
@@cjalexander6801
Glad to hear Alexanders story. It's sad the jealousy that is rampant in our sport. It seems that B&C is seeking to become irrelevant as the Olympics. When you have bias, you are no longer the "gold standard" not something to strive for. I had heard people talk about not wanting to get their deer scored because of all the BS and now I see why. Congrats to him and hope that if the B&C folks are found to be behind keeping some scores lower because of connections, money etc.... Hope they have to fold. Hope he gets an attorney to jerk a know in the a$$ of the DNR, the DA and everyone involved in the sh1# show.....
🗣️ 🗣️ tell them brother
How is Boone & Crockett becoming irrelevant? Since 1932 it is the official scoring system for every North American game animal. That scoring system has not changed to this day. How is that bias? They would score the Alexander Buck the exact same way if he shot him 50 years ago or today. FYI B&C has scorer's throughout the country and if CJ had his buck scored and there was a controversy such as the common base point then it would go to the committee to be scored. Finally and most important, if B&C had not pushed the government to stop the commercial hunting of animals in the US there would be no animals for us to hunt. This is what brought Whitetails and Turkey back from the brink of extinction.
@@waltermartin8852 it has changed that’s why the king buck isn’t the world record typical whitetail and that’s why jay fish sued B&C and won a shit Ton of money it’s all about their narrative I’m not saying they’re completely dog shit or irrelevant but bias and politically driven like anything else in this country absolutely
Indicted?😂
@@melvinavis8070 lol, not convicted....yet. I do hope they show the evidence. You can charge someone but conviction is a higher bar. Even though I don't have a dog in the hunt, I'm invested in seeing how they csi'd this case. If he pleads out, then they had the goods but since his friends and sister are charged, no one flipped so it could be interesting. Still may be some twists and turns....lol
CJ has definitely won me over. The whole country is always out to get the blue collar man. They just can’t seem to believe that a normal person could kill a buck like this.
Gullible
Respect for this podcast
I have heard to many bullshit storys on line about hes deer . Innocent until proven guilty that's the way it is in u s a
That’s the way it’s supposed to be, but not the way it has been for a long time. Do not cooperate with law enforcement. They are the most corrupt criminalized organization in America.
Never even should’ve come to this point!! Sorry people are such idiots. Hopefully CJ gets his deer back real soon! Good luck. I believe true and ethical hunters are on your side. Hold strong bud!!!
Waiting to hear more about Step Mother.
I think she’s the key to it all.
No one ask why she is so mad. She supposedly the real landowner.
Negative you can’t get a loan for a house unless your name is on the deed and that’s my sisters house has nothing to do with her and not my step mom never been my step mom it’s my half sisters mother
. Who owns the land where you killed this buck. Just to clear all that up. I hope everything works out for you 👍
You're a great dad CJ keeping your cool while you're child is present 🙏🙏🙏
Says he doesn't care about the score he scored it and had it green scored twice all in within 11 days. Says he doesn't care about the money then ask $100,000 for the rack. Then he says he doesn't care about the fame he's been on 3 podcast and North American Whitetail and some other big name telling his story. Looks like he was seeking fame to me. He said he can tell you how big a buck's rack is but can't tell the difference between 10 acers and 30 acers. He might be telling the truth. But something is fishy.
It's obvious what happened.Shady ass dude.
I dont believe him. The way he answered some questions at one point he said "IF I come out good on this...." if i legally killed that buck I would be absolutely pissed about this situation and would be saying "WHEN i come out good on this...." he keeps leading on a little bit that theres a chance he could be guilty in this. If he killed this buck legally then i would eliminate any doubt or chance of being found guilty.
He seems to be amused about the situation, i would be pissed and let my frustration be known by the state if i killed it legally. He seems to have the demeanor of catch me if you can and if you do i dont care.
Exactly, catch me if you can. Meanwhile pass me that pipe.I put $5 on the crack fool!
Yep its so obvious
I'm glad someone else can see narcissistic behavior
I’m super stoked for the hunter and to hear this information from the source. But for the love of god as a Michigan native pronounce traverse city right!!! 😂
This kid is honest if he poached this deer his lawyers would have said stay quiet so you don't incriminate yourself congratulations CJ you upset some folks and there hurt.
Lol, they would tell him to keep mouth shut no matter what cause anything could lead to some other charges. Never heard a lawyer say do a podcast cause you are innocent even though court case it coming still lol