No Good Surrogacies: A Surrogacy Baby Speaks Out | Guest: Olivia Maurel | Ep 919
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- Today we're joined by Olivia Maurel, who was born via surrogacy but didn't find out until much later in life. Today, she speaks out against surrogacy in all forms, claiming that there is no such thing as good surrogacy, and she shares her story with us, beginning with how she first found out the truth about her birth. She explains that she always intrinsically knew something was off, and when she came across surrogacy centers in Kentucky, where she was born, she put the pieces together. She shares her journey of struggling to find a maternal bond growing up, as well as the mental health issues she never knew were actually passed down from her biological mother, and feeling that there is a price tag on her life. We discuss the many reasons one should be opposed to surrogacy, regardless of political affiliation, and explain why despite the trauma of her experience, God is using her to reveal the truth about this sensitive topic. We also give a recap on last night's Republican primary debate and a few viral moments that came out of it.
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Timecodes:
0:00 Intro
02:30 Republican debate thoughts
16:47 Finding out about surrogacy birth
26:55 Adoption and surrogacy
32:45 Birth certificate change / DNA test
40:50 Alienated from parents
44:36 Thinking critically about surrogacy
51:05 Surrogacy laws in other countries
56:00 God is using this
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When I was a teenager I had a friend who was born from surrogacy and she was one of the most messed up people I ever met. She was very kind, but she had been put through so much. I believe she was carried by one of her adopted lesbian mothers, and then they divorced early in her life and abandoned her. On top of that, her father was a random sperm donor and at the time we were friends, she had gotten to contact and meet him for the first time. He straight up told her he didn’t want her or want her in his life, that she was just a means for him to make some cash. Just *so* cruel. I still think of her from time and time and I hope she’s doing alright, but as you can imagine it completely broke her heart.
I would think the main trauma came from being abandoned by her adopted mother not that she was carried in her adopted mom's womb. Also of course the sperm donor "rejecting" her as well doesn't help.
@@Rivracost3 Well yeah, the whole situation was a mess
So sad. Maybe you should reach out to her, just say hello.
@@lilafeldman8630 I would but it’s been over 10 years since we were last in touch and I don’t know her last name, unfortunately
i never thought about all these factors when i used to think all of this was okay:/ now it all makes sense watching this video and reading this comment
One of the reasons I continually watch and support the show is Allie’s unwavering desire to make Christ known. Thankful for you, Allie Beth!
Kinda hard to make a dead man known.
Yes, that’s what I like about her. She is unwavering and uncompromising in her faith in Jesus Christ, who is very much alive!
🥳 praise Jesus❤️
@@thorpeaaron1110 He’s alive! He’s alive and I’m forgiven, heaven’s gates are open wide! 🎵
@@GratiaPrima_Yeah sure I'll believe once we have concrete evidence.
I’m listening to her talk about how her mother abandoned her for a check - left her in the care of strangers at a time she needed her mother the most - and how she then had this deep seated fear of abandonment, this void between her and her adoptive mother, etc - and I just feel like she’s talking about me.
My mother and I had these same struggles. I dealt with these same feelings for decades - and went thru this period of seeking to fill the void in all the wrong places and ways.
But my mother is my biological mother. She abandoned me in daycare at 6 weeks old, and left me there for 8 hours a day - at a time I was maybe awake for 6 hours a day… makes you wonder if working moms cause the same scars in their children - leaving their children with strangers to go get a check - as surrogates 🤔
I'm so sorry 😔
6 weeks old?! I am so sorry 💔💔
I have noticed my friends with kids in daycare accidentally call mom teacher or call their teacher mom.. my son has never made this mistake. But he just started school this year, no daycare.
Your story is another important topic. Leaving a baby in daycare under the age of 12 months should be illegal, even kids under 3 years of age get negatively affected by daycare.
Erica Komisar has written a lot about this topic and most recently talked about the topic on Alex Clark’s podcast The Spillover.
It is heartbreaking that parents do this in my opinion. However sometimes parents have to do this. 😢
This is such a good point. We need more voices like yours to speak out.
I am adopted and have always felt so loved. I am very thankful that my parents chose to make me their daughter.
adoption and surrogacy are very different. You were already born, this baby was created specifically to fulfill an adult desire
Adoption is honourable, which is totally different from surrogacy. God bless your parents and congrats on your loving family.
@@y.peffle2802There are overlaps with surrogacy and adoption. Primarily, both involve the procuring of a child by adults wanting "a baby/child of their own". This drive of wanting children has built the fertility business with (the various kinds of) adoption in partnership, creating a robust cover for illegal activities. Unfortunately, adoption is what mankind has made it into; it is not a black & white honorable deed.
Born to fulfill adult desire?
Then how is surrogacy any different from normal pregnancy? I believe you are educated enough to know that nobody gets pregnant in 21century unwillingly.
I gave up my son this summer, I only want the best for him. This video made me so afraid all over again. Thank you for commenting your experience 🩷
A lot of adopted children have the same abandonment issues. But you will always feel lonely & something will always be missing in your life without the lord. Doesn't matter who raises you, you will always feel like something is missing bc he is. Praying she will be fulfilled with Gods love & be saved. 🙏
Amen
Amen
She is a feminist.. I doubt it.
I agree, but also allowing people to purchase children from surrogate mothers is a ready-made disaster. It just allows people who want a child for ANY reason to have access to literal infants and the mother who carried the child has no legal rights to protect it. It's just scary.
Bgonzo...I agree.
Surrogacy is yet another example of when we think we know better than God. When we depart from God's plan, we experience the damaging consequences.
Amen
Agree, Amen!
We are our own gods.
@@thorpeaaron1110that's what Satan wants us to believe.
@@GodSoLoved.YeshuaWell he's right if he were real.
I’m adopted and all of the struggles she had I faced too. I was told when I was 5 years old I was adopted. I’m 35 now and remember that day vividly. I instantly felt like I was living with strangers. I learned later on that my birth mother gave me up when I was 8 mos old. She went on to have 3 more children whom she kept. I always wondered as a child, “why? What was it about me that she didn’t like or want?” Little did I know that my birth mother was actually the half sister of my adopted mom. So I grew up knowing her ( my bio mom) as my aunt. Needless to say, there is trauma and much to untangle when a child is removed from their biological mother specifically. I feel her pain on many levels. I just don’t ever want to make light of those of us who are adopted that still endured trauma and pain. Because it is very real and lifelong for us. But God! He restores, He heals, and He renews our hearts and minds amidst the chaos we create.
Thank you so much for sharing. Your perspective is so important!
An old neighbor of mine had 5 children. She told my other neighbor (her half sister) to take one of them because she thought it was too much. She let her sister pick which one she wanted. Her sister chose the youngest one who was too young at the time to remember. He's 9 now and thinks that his brothers are sisters across the street are his cousins. The kids were old enough to remember him being their brother. Saddest part is, he is treated horribly by his adoptive Mom and Dad and his 'cousins' have a much better life. It's sad to think about the resentment he may have if he ever finds out.
@@victorialw1 wow. That is heartbreaking. It is so sad when adoption becomes a “I’ll pick this one over that one” situation. Adoption can be beautiful but it’s still traumatic in many ways.
i AM SO SORRY. i HEAR THESE STORIES FROM OTHERS TOO. i HAVE TO SAY...I experienced a divorce from my parents at 3. I was so broken and confused from that break, that I used to wish I was adopted by loving parents. I would go into the woods and dream of a loving family rescuing me. I have a friend that was seriously abused by her biological mother. Her parents even put her and her siblings into an adoption care in the 60's. My aunt longed to be adopted but was returned to her mom that beat and abused her with no mercy for decades. Life is hard. Hold on to the Bible and Jesus will see us through.
@@davienihill8311 the Lord redeems even the worst of circumstances! I recently listened to the testimony of Victor Marx and couldn’t stop crying. God is a good God who never leaves or forsakes us regardless of the brokenness we experience this side of eternity. If I’ve learned anything after the childhood trauma I experienced is how good of a Father in heaven I have despite the sin of the earthly people who looked after me.
Absolutely broke me when she talked about babies growing with their moms for 9 months....and then separated at birth, and them looking for their mom 😢 heartbreaking. God will not abandon her though
As a counselor, it's interesting to see that a surrogate baby has similar symptoms compared to an emotionally neglected child such as feelings of abandonment, being overbearing to others, attachment issues, and the like. Thank you for speaking out on this subject. I hope it changes hearts and minds.
I think that has more to do with her being emotionally neglected rather than her being a surrogate. They obviously did not have an emotionally close relationship. This one instance does not accurately represent surrgacy in general.
@overflowinglovephotography2083 yeah, I feel like alot of obvious questions were not addressed. Like, yes, your surrogate did not want you but your father and mother (for all intents and purposes) went to some lengths to bring you into this world and to bring you up. You were not abandoned, you were very much wanted. I'd really like to hear her mother's version of events. Because her extremely vague answer about how she just knew as a teenager that her mother wasn't her mother isn't good enough for me. Teenagers are so often at odds with their parents during that time of life. There must be far more to this. But for her to say she was abandoned is a bit insulting to babies who actually have been abandoned by their mom, get put in the system and, fingers crossed, hope to get a place with a family who wants them. I am not necessarily saying I agree with this surrogacy issue but she sounds like spoiled indulged child at times.
@@vanessac1721 I know it can be easy to jump to conclusions but I lean towards believing her story. The bond of a baby in the womb and the mother is stronger than we think and most people don't realize that. I've heard real cases of children of failed abortions who were kept by the mother feeling a deep sense that they are not wanted, even in a loving home. I've also heard of several cases of inherent phobias that were directly associated with an event that happened to the mother while the child with the phobia was in the womb. For example, an adult child having a deep rooted fear of cats without any idea why, only to find out her mother was attacked by a cat while pregnant. So I do believe there is a deeper bond between mother and child than we understand or can appreciate. Trauma can cause brain fog, which I have seen many times, which I can see being a reason for some of her vague answers. It's very easy to blame victims when we don't fully understand them. It's OK if you disagree. I'm providing my counter-argument for some food for thought.
Almost all of this lady's problems with surrogacy also apply with adoption. Like children need to be with their birth mother, not knowing your family history/health, abandonment issues, etc. So even though I'm not a surrogacy advocate, it's not a very good argument against it unless you are saying adoption is bad also.
@@christyostrander734 I see your point but from my perspective, surrogacy is voluntary. Someone is choosing to have a baby through someone else. Adoption is more complicated and is usually necessary. I still see a distinction between surrogacy and adoption. Best case scenario, we all stay with our biological families. Adoption is often used in cases where the biological family cannot, for whatever reason, properly care for the child.
Allie- I beamed with pride when you shared the gospel with her. God is so very proud of you!
Ahurmazda is indeed very proud of her.
Me too!! Came to the comments to tell her this as well!! 🙏🏻❤️
It was beautiful. I didn't expect to choke up watching her share Jesus with Olivia. But I did. God is amazing.
My friend was a surrogate for her husbands best friend and wife. Things ended up terrible for her. I am not sure how the child is, but my friend felt lost and depressed afterwards.
Perhaps, Alley could interview her. I pray, she has found peace and emotional healing.
Would love to see an interview from this perspective as well!
These stories need to be common knowledge. Surrogacy stories are hush hush in the celebrity world and media. It's always about the wealthy person "getting their child." I have zero patience for it, and refuse to have any empathy for people that do this. Especially for Christians, shouldn't the very first stories of the Bible like what Abraham and Sarah did be a major lesson to not do this?
I had a friend tell me about one of her friends who was going to be a surrogate for a couple in their church. My friend was ecstatic while I instincts recoiled..I would love to talk to this woman twenty-five years later and see how she feels now.
Was she just the womb or was it her egg . I feel like the case is different when it’s not biologically yours
That ending 😭. Yes, sweet Olivia, if you feel abandoned please know there’s a Heavenly Father who loves you and has offered to accept you as His daughter! He loves you.
Amen, may this practice END.
Funny he doesn't actually reveal himself.
@@thorpeaaron1110 dude...what are u doing in here?? ...Bye
@@thorpeaaron1110 hi, how ya been?!
lol, of course He did, lol. He revealed Himself to Abram, gave him a new identity and built a nation of him. He fought for that nation, freed her from Pharaoh, gave them His law, led them through the desert, fed them with bread from heaven, defeated their enemies and gave them the Promised Land, brought them back to Himself when they were unfaithful, came to them in the flesh in the person of Jesus, taught them Himself, called disciples, died for them, rose again, built a Church, gave His revelation through that Church, thereby blessing all nations of all times.
What do you mean He doesn’t reveal Himself?
@@loriguercio4374 he’s a regular. :)
@@loriguercio4374Living life you?
“There is no right to have a child but children have rights”.
Powerful. A lot packed into the quote.
Well the first known surrogacy didnt work out too well either. Abraham, Sarah and Hagar
Bulls eye. 🎯 🧨
That's if the story is true.
@@thorpeaaron1110 You obviously are looking for answers, but are unwilling to consider the ones I have seen these kind people offer...
Here's an option: Seek out a person who Can answer in Real Life, not in comment sections. I would suggest more specific options, but I'm looking to Help, not to troll, which is Obviously what Your continued "peanut gallery" responses are conveying.
All of us are adding our pleas to help you find peace, and that will not be conveyed in words.
There IS a Peace which passeth Understanding, and it IS accessible by You, but it Will require humility that you have yet to display...
@@thorpeaaron1110troll
😂 true!
Allie, when your guest was sharing her story and the turmoil that she has lived and is living through, my first thought was that she needs a relationship with the the Savior. I am glad that you shared that message with her 💗
If that's your first thought thank goodness you're not a therapist.
@@thorpeaaron1110Honey, I’m sorry that you’re lost. It is showing so strongly through your troll comments on this whole thread of comments.
I pray that God reveals Himself to you. He is already waiting for you. You simply need to open the door. Jesus loves you, He really really does ❤
@@rebekahmcdermott5504 Yes! I'm joining you in praying for @thorpeaaron1110. He is obviously struggling with allowing God into his life. His comments on here may not be appropriate, but we care about the eternity of his soul because God desires all humans to know Him, and He can turn anyone's life around! 🙏
@@rebekahmcdermott5504I doubt that a man who's been dead for 2,000 years cares about me or any us really if there wouldn't be suffering in this world.
@@thorpeaaron1110 you’re in all these threads😬……NOW IM CONVINCED …..YOU MISS GOD 🥰🥰🙌🏼🙌🏼
As a woman who’s battled with infertility, had over 10 losses it still stings my heart when someone says “why don’t you just use a surrogate” I always have to go into my prayer closet and ask the Lord to help me handle those comments better. As no a surrogate is just not the solution to feeling more like a woman.
But I will say when you have endured so many losses or battled infertility your mind will think of all options. Especially when all you desire is to build your family. And unless you’ve battled with infertility or loss you just can’t comment on what you would or wouldn’t do in those situations. Minds do wander but that’s where the Lord steps in to help us through those moments. In God we trust, and yes at times God will use medical professionals to assist but using another person as we saw with Sarah and Hagar it’s not God will. 🙏🏼
Praying for Jesus to lay his healing hands on you and heal your infertility. All things are possible through Christ. Stay strong, sis!
I don't agree that we can't say what we would do. It's important to have a moral compass BEFORE tragedy strikes. Otherwise, you function purely on emotion. That's not to say opinions can't change, but it's foolish to never consider what your convictions are before those convictions are tested.
Consider being a foster parent. There are many babies and children who need a temporary or long term home. Adoption is also possible through foster care.
@@thinkaboutit2137 I appreciate your comment, however, fostering and adoption isn’t a fix for infertility just like I don’t believe surrogacy is. Especially when it’s our prayer to have one of our own. 🙏🏼
"Just consider adoption..." This is something you should not say to a woman struggling with infertility. Adoption is a serious thing that God calls people to. It is not easy and it does not make the pain of infertility go away. Adopted children many times will have behavioral issues because of trauma or abandonment issues... and these behavioral problems can be serious and require professional therapy. Even if the child was adopted as an infant. That is why each person must let God call them in the direction they should go. God is the only one who knows the capacity of a couple, and the road ahead. As Christians, we need to be very very careful not to judge someone else for the choices they make regarding their infertility. Instead, pray for them earnestly, and realize that until you struggle with it yourself, you have no business thinking you know what they are going through, or what they should do.
Thank you for speaking with Olivia. Those of us who were removed from our biological mothers KNOW ON A PRIMAL LEVEL that we were hurt by the removal. There is no getting around this truth.
THANKS FOR YOUR COURAGE LADIES. People don't want to hear this truth. 💔
Yeah, primal level is a DEEP wound at someone’s core. I am so sorry. 😢
Praying for you ❤
Never should happen to a baby
It depends on the adoptive family. In my day adoption was common because abortion was illegal. It was also illegal to pay for adoptees. I knew these children into adulthood. They were very happy, confident people. Surrogacy is very different, de-humanizing. The baby and mom are commodities.
Thank you for telling her that God loves her.
It definitely took courage! That was awesome to see.
Amen 🙏
I remember a guest of Allie's talking about a gay couple who had a surrogate baby that would not stop crying. It got to the point where they called the birth mother one night and she came over. Well, as soon as that baby was in the mother's arms it quieted down ❤ that speaks volumes to me.
Not really Jessica...men (in general) aren't good with crying babies. I'm a Christian nanny. My all time favorite family was a 2 dad family with two sons. Dad worked for Williams-Sonoma...other dad was a stay at home parent. Both boys are super sweet, highly intelligent, speak 2 languages, and have traveled around the world.
I'm not saying surrogacy is the answer...I truly wish more families adopted...however, babies that come from surrogate moms go on to lead healthy, productive lives
@Mint-kj9kw I don't disagree that children born of a surrogate can go on to live happy lives. But that's not the issue at hand. The issue here is the trauma of separation between a newborn baby and the woman who carried him/her. The separation of a newborn and the only thing in this world that it knows, it's mother. When we don't even separate puppies from the mother until 8+ weeks. People get enraged when they see videos of puppies being taken from their mother, just to see the mother dogs reaction...
This interview also touched on other issues, like the loss of genetic information in traditional surrogacys...
@@Mint-kj9kwWhy would a Christian go be a nanny to a family set up which is an abomination to God?
@@Mint-kj9kw Christian nanny defending a male gay couple, and talking about “adoptive families.” You need so deep soul searching, God did not create Adam and Steve, and, no matter how much of the population disagrees, GOD has NOT changed his mind. Family is father, MOTHER, and children. God destroyed S&G for the same evil actions. True Christians do NOT support same sex marriages…..PERIOD!!!! Unfortunately, several religious orders are caving to ‘SOCIETY,” and abandoning what The Bible clearly condemned. As a Christian, I have been friends with 3 gay couples for over 30 years, but they all KNOW that I love them, however I have made it perfectly CLEAR that I do not support their lifestyles. They are aware that I pray EVERY day & night that they find their way to the true God. One of the guys attends a Baptist Church, where his MOTHER is the minister ☹️, he is the pianist for church. Satan is infiltrating, and over the last several years, he is gaining in destroying true teaching with FALSE teaching. I LOVE my friends, but I HATE their sins.
@@Mint-kj9kwbeing smart isn’t evidence of a healthy emotional IQ. Children deserve and thrive better in a home with their Mother and father. Studies even prove this. Gee, it’s like God knew what humans needed for healthy development.
I love how Allie finished their conversation. What makes this so much more heartbreaking is that she’s an atheist with no relationship with her creator. No redemption through Jesus Christ in her story. 💔 I pray she comes to know her Savior.
She did the right thing she embraced void.
@@thorpeaaron1110 she did do the right thing however her life does not have to be void. Neither does yours.
@@mommaseaI mean there's nothing we can do to change it we just have to live our lives.
@@thorpeaaron1110 you’re right. There’s nothing YOU can do to change it. Only Jesus Christ can transform our hearts and our minds. I pray you come to know the one and only true God of the universe who created you and loves you and sent His Son to die for you.
@@mommaseaWhich God would that be? Vishnu, Ahurmazda, Odin
She’s still so broken 😭😭😭 I could almost feel her pain as she speaks here. My heart hurts for her. It’s a long road of recovery, may Christ heal her completely
Human beings should never be commodities to be bought or sold.
Allie Beth, thank you for always keeping the main thing the main thing and sharing the Gospel message. ❤
I have met people from IVF, and raised by same sex parents, and once, I met someone who was born of an adulterous affair, and married to a man who was born of sperm donation. She seemed so sad, a frown on her face, so much bitterness in her life, and didn't want a family of her own. It really does leave a primal wound, at the core of your identity. Destroys a person's hope and trust in God and in the beauty of family. Understanding natural law changed so much for me.
You seriously ask people when you meet them how they were conceived?
I am from broken family and my husband was raised by gay couple and we are happy and we want a family and what it proves? Nothing. There are different people in various life stages no matter how they were conceived or how broken was their family. Yes, children from broken families have statistically less chance to success in their lives, but there are no such data for children born from donated sperm. And just because your friend doesn't want to have a family, doesn't mean it has something to do with how her husband was conceived. Did you think she might have a frown on her face because there is something else she struggles with and maybe same reason why she doesn't want to have children and it doesn't have to be connected to how they were conceived?
Well said.
SUCH a GOOD conversation. I was indifferent on surrogacy until I started to hear Allie talk about it. I'm so grateful for this show.
I think people who suport surrogacy or are indifferent are also indifferent or support the porn industry, prostitution, etc because they see nothing wrong with commodifying or objectifying a woman's body for sex or to carry babies. Ick.
my best friend in college had a suspicion/ongoing joke that her aunt was her actual biological mom because she looked just like her cousins and not her sister and never got along well with her mom/had a lot of issues with her. Well, halfway through college, the ongoing joke turned into the truth being revealed to her one Christmas break. She was really smart and figuring it out on her own just like olivia. Her aunt was an egg donor to her dad and mom. she kind of played it off like “oh yeah I always knew it’s whatever”, but she ended up going back to therapy and having to work through a lot of stuff :/
It's not even about being smart. It's inside every cell of your body.
Oh yeah that proves it. Because never in the history of the world has a daughter not got along with her biological mother? Lol.
@@sitka49 I’m just sharing a similar story… sheesh. not proving anything
This is fascinating. I didn't really get what the problem was until she mentioned that the baby through 9 months is acquainted with the sounds and feelings of his birth mother. My wife told me that a friend was adopted at the age of one when her mother died. This friend said that she almost died from the emotional loss of her mother. The mother and child bond is a powerful connection.
Thank you for speaking out.
We have adopted 4 children from foster care and after we finalized, we received a new birth certificate showing us as their “ birth parents.”
I always found it a beautiful thing BUT I do have a copy of their original birth certificate with their biological parents names on them. We are fully open with our children about their adoption so I never really thought about the birth certificate issue. Thank you for sharing!
The new birth certificate is just deceitful and trying to make people feel good at the expense of the truth
I never comment on CZcams, but your presentation of the gospel at the end brought me to tears. Thank you, Allie, and God bless you!
"Before I formed you in the womb, I knew you" says the Lord God : Jeremiah 1:5
PRAISE OUR LORD! Thank you for reminding us. 😊
@@sharoncampbell6999No God exists
@@thorpeaaron1110No, God exists.
❤❤ AMEN
Yes. I have a friend who couldn't get pregnant, so she was introduced to the idea adopting embryo's. This was from someone out there who ended up producing several embryo's after ivf but couldn't carry all of them safely. So the "extra" embryo's stayed frozen until adoption. So my friend adopted the twin embryo's and was the surrogate mother, and is raising them. She is a Psychologist and understands trauma and is doing her best along with her husband to love them, bring them healing from trauma and show them the love of Jesus. I hope they overcome any feelings of abandonment by their biological parents. Please pray for these two beautiful children.
I JUST had this conversation with my father in law explaining how hormonally awful this is for the donor mother. And if they are the carrier, how can a woman's body recover after birth when she hands her baby to someone else?? Nursing helps the uterus contract back to size, bonding with the baby helps stabilize hormone levels, and what kind of drugs would the woman have to take to dry up her milk??? They don't talk about the horrendous repercussions on every single level!!!!! They paint surrogacy like this incredible beautiful selfless thing but it's almost the epitome of selfishness!!
And the amazing thing the baby is missing out on by not getting its mothers milk. Adoptive mothers can induce lactation, but it is still different, even if they are able. Same with if the surrogate pumped.
I’ve been a surrogate twice now, you don’t have to take any drugs to dry up the milk… it drys up all on its own within 2 weeks. And I’ve always lost the weight within the first month. Some people are just blessed with easy childbearing, if so why not share that gift to help families who are having fertility issues. It really is a beautiful thing.
@@overflowinglovephotography2083why can’t they adopt? It’s really a sick thing to do for money and it’s open to corruption. Look up surrogacy in the country Georgia…
@overflowinglovephotography2083 you're not God. Stop getting defensive at the repercussions of surrogacy. This is the reality that you don't see. Maybe you're seeing it as a business and "selfless" but it is selfish from the ones that are receiving the babies and the fact that you feel no connection to the two children you birth is already a problem.
@@overflowinglovephotography2083
Are you Christian? I’ve been considering surrogacy then came across this podcast! But it seems like not all surrogacies end badly at all. Would you be willing to share more about your story?
I got chills when Allie was ministering to her at the end of the interview ❤ God is so good and is absolutely working through Olivia. I pray in the name of Jesus she accepts Him into her heart amen
🙏Amen!🙏 Praying for Olivia to know the love of her Creator! ♥️
@@S.Her.Judging by the "love" he gives in the world she ain't missing much.
I feel very frustrated by parents who purposely withhold the truth from their children and then shut these children out when they ask questions and seek the truth on their own. It’s very prevalent…and so unfair to the child. The parents think they are “protecting” the child by not revealing the truth, but it ends up leading to hurt and bitterness for all involved. If a child is going to be conceived outside of the family, whether through adoption or surrogacy, the parents at least should be honest and do whatever is necessary to give that child a sense of belonging and love.
For my father and my mother have forsaken me,
but the Lord will take me in.
Psalm 27:10
Very glad to hear her story, may she someday see the love of God.
It’s crazy because those of us in the field of psychology know there is a famous study in the 50’s where they took infants away from the mother and saw the negative effects of that. I never even put two and two together between surrogacy and abandonment. Of coarse the child would grow up feeling abandoned because even if they grew up with love it’s not the natural hormonal and phermonic bond that babies seek from the natural mother.
What's crazy is even if it was not an ideal mother and that mother abandons the child. The child never really " gets over" the abandonnent.
Mmmm disagree. An adopted child can have a very loving fulfilling secure childhood without the bond you speak of.
@@agirlisnoone5953agree 💯 %
Amazing story. The pain and trauma of surrogacy won’t be stopped without voices like Olivia. Thank you for sharing her story!
But did you hear when she said most surrogates are not genetically related to the baby. This is not common practice anymore. She even said it’s illegal. Now a days gestational surrogates carry for a couple who are having fertility issues and it’s common to use their own sperm and egg. It’s a job yes, but it’s also an act of kindess and sacrificial love.
@@overflowinglovephotography2083 No, a baby is formed in the womb and becomes attached according to God's plan as it is developing, hearing the mother's voice, feeling her movements, and feeling her emotions (yes, babies feel their mothers emotions). It is literally swimming in her body's fluids, being fed by her blood. The physical attachment is real for 9 months, and doesn't end after birth. A new woman holding that baby is a stranger to that baby. A baby may not be able to communicate that fact, but it senses it. If a woman donates an egg to another woman, then that woman is being used as a baby factory, but you cannot deny that nature creates a bond while babies are in a womb. The egg was ripped from the mother, then the baby is ripped from the surrogate...that baby will subconsciously experience abandonment and attachment issues because that is what biologically happens in that situation ACCORDING TO GOD'S PLAN. You can lie to Mother Nature (which is God's Natural Law), but deep down the baby knows the Truth.
I've always felt this practice was wrong, but hearing this woman's words had confirmed a belief I have carried in my heart for some time now. I pray for all the kids born in situations such as hers.
New to your channel! I am a blessed mama of 9 children and my heart knows that I am still my children’s home even after each one has left my womb. My heart breaks at the idea of surrogacy and the damage done. I’m also overjoyed by the way you shared Jesus with this woman because the whole time I was thinking that only He can heal her broken heart and He will never leave her or forsake her. And amen God is using this.❤️❤️🙏🏻🙏🏻
I’m adopted and a Christian. There is a lot of common thoughts and question’s children of adoption share with surrogacy as they grow up, particularly when we don’t look like our parents. The parents here made a huge mistake not being honest with their daughter from the start. That eliminates most of these issues Olivia has experienced. Lies are the real issue. That created the wedge and resentment. Love and truth defeats this. She certainly paints her parents in negative light. That’s sad for everyone involved. Olivia as you mature in your faith, I hope you find forgiveness and reconciliation.
I respectfully disagree. Naturally, lying is wrong and yes she deserved to have known. That’s definitely part of the problem. But Olivia also stated multiple times that she didn’t feel a bond that deep with her mother and dealt with feelings of abandonment her whole life. Knowing the truth wouldn’t have changed that, which is exactly what the issue with surrogacy is. It creates problems for the child that no loving parents can fix.
Also, Olivia stated that her parents were the ones to cut contact with her and I actually think she was very balanced in how she spoke of them. Saying they loved her and gave her everything, that they weren’t bad parents.
I mostly agree. I was adopted and was not allowed to talk about it because my 'mom' would fall apart. It's so damaging.
No it’s not the same. Adoption is an attempt to heal a wound while surrogacy is your parent intentionally creating a situation that will hurt you.
It’s a loving self-sacrificial thing to do to give up your child for adoption if you can’t care for her. It’s neither loving nor self-sacrificial to choose to rent a womb and possibly also buy eggs or sperm so that you the parent can have what you want.
Adoption and surrogacy are completely different even if both lead to abandonment issues among other things.
Correct the parent should have let her know from early
I really appreciate your comment! REJECTION . It’s Satan‘s favorite thing to use against Christians and all of us have experienced it at some point of our lives . Many of us who had biological parents still felt that rejection. Your comment comes with the solution ,we must come to Christ. We must have a relationship with Him and we must forgive those that have hurt us.
As far as surrogacy, I have always felt that when we step into the place of playing God, it never goes well .
Adoption is a parent showing love to their child, and I agree with the other comment they are very different .
Thank you for sharing God’s love with her. Love from parents may never be enough, but love from Him is. It’s everything ❤
My ex purposely had another child 2 months into my pregnancy and found a random woman to have a child with to spite my child. He told me in an email that it was to get back at me and the child because he didn't want to be a father and he wanted to teach me a lesson. I think it's the same thing. He left that child as well. Purposely creating children for abandonment is cruel.
Wow, your ex husband was a monster. What did he think would happen after you two started consummating your marriage. Did he even say anything before he agreed to be with you for life?
@@person6768The person who wrote the comment didn’t necessarily say they were married. They may have just been in a relationship together
Wow he sounds like a real winner.
This is really a wake up call. We have been led to believe, what a gift the mother gave to another couple and what a beautiful thing. The truth is not is lovely.
Which I believe is very different than adoption. Personally, because of my financial situations I have considered it, but my conscience would not allow me to.
This is heartbreaking, but so important to hear. Thank you for having her on. I pray she finds peace in Christ despite this deep turmoil.
Why what has Christ done for her recently?
@@thorpeaaron1110 Gave her life.
@@loriguercio4374Did her biological mother do that?
@@thorpeaaron1110…Did the mother create the embryo?
@@ML..Nah she needed the father to help fertilize the egg.
My husband was adopted and he felt very early on, I think he said 3-4 years old that he didn’t belong. He has amazing parents and loves them dearly, but children knowing (and feeling abandoned) that early is very important to understand in these conversations.
I am 62. I never knew who my father was. And I have felt as though I was standing on one leg my whole life.
god bless you. ❤
I just found mine father last year on the AncestryDNA website. I ordered a kit. I found my house sister and that’s how I found my dad. Everything made so much sense after that! I didn’t even know his name before that. I’m 41 now and found him when I was 40.
The best part of this entire video, is when Allie Beth shares the gospel! This was a perspective I have never heard before, and it melted my heart.
It made me tear up when you shared her true purpose. I believe God will redeem and restore this lady’s soul! If she believes in truth, that journey is inevitable. Truth seeking will always lead to The Way, The Truth, and the Life.
I wouldn't hold my breath.
@@thorpeaaron1110 why do you say that? Do you not believe in the God of the Bible and His redemption and truth?
Adopted children feel this way. My hubby was Adopted and he felt much of this way and went the way of many relational problems.. but God can heal these wounds! Lord heal her heart!!
After walking through infertility for years, we adopted from foster care, which is an amazing gift! We told our daughter when she was 5 that she was adopted. She knows who her birth parents are, but as yet hasn't wanted to meet them just yet. She is 16 now and she does have a relationship with her paternal birth grandmother. I've always had kinda not so good feelings about surrogacy...
I was adopted at 5 days old, but my adoptive mother and I never connected and I always struggled in my relationship with her. My adoptive parents tried to hide my adoption but when I discovered the truth I was around 12 and it hit me like a ton of bricks. They continued gaslighting me about it till I was in my early 20s. This gave me massive trust issues. I'm the opposite of Olivia-- I don't suffocate people; I avoid getting close to people. Eventually I discovered my birth parents gave me up because they weren't married (this was the 60s), but afterward they got married and had another child. That was an upsetting discovery.
I agree with surrogacy being a bad idea overall; it is unnecessary to have a child conceived with the intent to give it away. I am not against adoption altogether-- I'd rather someone put a baby up for adoption than get an abortion, and for children who are here with parents who are unfit, take ill, or pass away, the kids need a home. But I do agree that the records should reflect this, such as birth certificates-- and there should be some process for adoptees to more easily access medical records & history.
I love the way you shared the gospel at the end. Much love and respect to you Allie Beth!
This interview is why I love Allie - she talked to an atheist about a critically important topic that we all need to hear about and then she shared the gospel so gently and so naturally. No grift here, Allie is 100% genuine.
Allie, thank you for sharing true hope with this beautiful young lady. I so appreciate that you use your platform to lovingly share Jesus.
Ok, I am still not even through this, but I am outraged that Olivia's parents (not bio) would have any animosity towards Olivia. How much MORE selfish could they be?
They bought a child just to abandon the child for their own pleasure... So now, they are childless again... wow
The surrogacy issue always felt wrong to me. Thank you for speaking out and explaining so more people become aware of the issues with it.
Thank you for sharing this video. Listening to her speak I didn't pick up she was a Christian because there was no redemptive tilt to her message (as powerful as it is!). But thank you Allie, for sharing with her how God is using this to spread awareness and hopefully a stop to this horrible practice of selling and buying human beings who made in the image of God. I'll be praying for Olivia to come to the saving knowledge of Jesus Christ and that he would fill her with hope for the future and peace for today!
Good old Josh
I have two nieces that have been surrogates for the money and it definitely speaks to their character. I feel sorry for the children born from these births. One niece did it two or three times and refused to have a child with her husband (now divorced, wonder why). Her older sister was not allowed a second time as the baby was born premature. Does this sound like manufacturing?
Horrible!
This is hard to watch, she’s clearly still hurting and processing ❤
So brave. May God heal your heart , soul and mind.
I think she also doesn’t spend a lot of time speaking English - which is why she is searching for words a lot. She’s definitely still suffering but perhaps not quite as much as it appears when you consider the language barrier.
(She has an American accent, but she grew up between FL and South France, and now exclusively lives in South France).
Beautiful ending Allie. 😭😭😭😭❣️❣️❣️ Thank you for always representing Him so well.
Olivia, Thank you for speaking out about this. I am a foster adoptive mom several times, and although many of my children were wanted by their biological moms, mom was not able to provide for them for various reasons. All of my kids have issues with abandonment. We have been trying to help them through kangarooing, inner healing and prayer.
I hope I will be able to help them through their struggles as they come up. I hope you will find the healing you so desperately need. I will be praying for you.❤ You have been born for such a time as this. Your testimony will help so many. Thank you.
I am continually impressed, by the level of investigative journalism- that you display on your channel.
I’m a child of adoption, this past holiday I was taken aback by the sentiment & common beliefs that “children have no memory of what happens till a certain age, so don’t worry about the impact you have on them”
The flippancy in which it was said to my face, astonished me.
I will personally spend the rest of my life dismantling & burying that argument into its grave.
There is right & there is wrong.
Life isn’t black & white.
There is however some things, that are black & white.
It’s time our culture took a stand.
I really dont understand how she came to this idea on her own. It makes no sense. If you were not ever told you were not biologically related to your parents, how would you guess that from teenage maternal disconnect and an internet search? Im super confused. I was born and raised in Louisville and have no idea what she istalking about. There are surrogacy centers in every major city its in no way unique to Louisville. There's a big gap in the story here that isnt being explained. You can have all of the issues she had and not be adopted or a surrogacy baby. And especially being she did not grow up knowing she had been abandoned makes it a difficult line to draw for me. Lots ofpeople have horror stories of their birth, upbringing etc and dont have all these same issues. Your mental health problems can of course be tied to not only your upbringing, your dna, and many things environmentally, but they cannot all be blamed on any one circumstance. Many people feel a void due to things that have happened outside of their control, but none of thiswould make anyone wake up one day and suddenly be like "Oh! I bet i was concieved via surrogacy by a woman who carried me and was my biological mother with the dad who raised me with my non biological mother.". Something is missing from this story. Like a big chunk. But i get what she is saying. None of this would have been a problem had she been told the truth, at the very least when she became old enough to understand.
Very eye opening. Olivia I hope you finally come to know your Heavenly Father who literally wrote his name into your DNA. HE is the reason we live and move and have our being. My father passed away when I was only 10. Shortly after Jesus came into my heart and filled the emptiness. Everytime I felt the sorrow of my Dad not being here on earth when I needed him Christ filled that need.
That's interesting there's no God in my DNA if there was science would have confirmed it.
@@thorpeaaron1110If you don’t have the Lord and the Holy Spirit living inside you, you will look to other things to fill the void that only God can fill. Like science. But admiring science is nothing like having a relationship with the One who created you and loves you.💔😔🙏🏼
@@jsshay01If God created science it should be able to prove his existence correct?
@thorpeaaron1110 Since God created everything, including science, it would make sense that science can not explain God. Rather it proves there is a Designer who greater than all and whom created all. Creation = Creator
@@JessicaNoelle.You think God would life an imprint to prove his existence.
My heart got heavier as I listened to this. Allie, thank you once again for shining the light on an issue which doesn’t usually get much attention.
I love how you ended with a call for salvation. May God grow that seed to fruition!
Surrogacy seems selfish to me. There are so many children that need good parents.
I can relate to the abandonment part. My mother left me alone (just for some hours) in our apartment when I was three. She was a single mother and my only care taker, she was with me the whole first three years and then she was gone for some hours and since then I am so scared that I get left. More than a year later she had to go to the hospital for five weeks and I had to live with two different families which I didn’t know. My mother loved me but I was hunted by the fear that could do something or be somehow wrong and then my mother would leave me. My mother died when I was 12 years this made me only more scared of being left.
I can not imagine how it must be never having a real mother.
It’s just so sad.
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This is why these stories need to be told so people can have an understanding of what they're doing to children. It may not change the minds of everyone, but you never know who it will impact and how many kids could be saved from this tragedy because of these stories being out.
@@Ana_Cecilia615 Yes!
Your story reminds me of parts of mine. When my father left and divorced us, I think I had similar feelings and fears when my mother had to leave to work. When I am home alone as an adult, I still find myself anxiously ‘waiting for her to come home.’
@@KirisutonoNeko Yes. It’s incredibly how much impact our parents have on us.
I saw my father three times a year for some hours. I always sat at the window and waited for him, sometimes he came an hour later, one time he didn’t come at all. Since then I get so dysregulated (my nervous system, my emotional side of the brain takes over…) if I have to wait for other people. I am so grateful that I found a writing technique that gets me reregulated after something had put me into this place of anxiety and resentment. :)
As I was listening to this, I was reminded of the story of Hagar and Ishmael - which is a biblical surrogacy story. Abraham was promised a son from God but he and Sarah took that desire for a son and used someone else to try to fulfill that need, which was Hagar boring Ishmael. Like it was pointed out earlier in the episode, surrogacy creates a problem. I’d like to add though, even though this shouldn’t give us allowance to follow through with sin, but in our sinful decisions, God can bring about good and continue to fulfill His plans. Through Ishmael came the Arabic religion. This isn’t to say that Arabic aren’t redeemable, but threw out history, we can see that Israel has always been at war with Ishmael descendants. In fact, we see it today. Had Abraham listened to God and trusted Him, this probably wouldn’t have been the case. However, our God is a God that can redeem any situation, and He can certainly redeem her’s. It’s amazing that He lead her to this podcast to talk to someone that knows this is true and will share that with her. Thank you, Allie.
Its sad because i know what it feels like to be a woman who cannot have children and knowing how desperately i wanted to be a mother. We adopted. I cant imagine being the mother in this situation and the trauma of loving your child and having them regret your decision. I feel for both sides, but i cant wrap my mind around this one.
God bless you. Glad you did the right thing. The adult is never more important than the innocent child involved..
This is absolutely heart breaking. I didn’t have thoughts on surrogacy before I started listening to Allie. I appreciate this episode opening my heart and mind ❤
But it’s not an accurate depiction of surrgacy. For example, I’m a surrogate and the embryo belongs to the biological mother and father. Im just carrying it for them because the biological mother is unable to because of fertility issues on her end. Surrgacy can be a beautiful thing to help a family struggling with infertility. I wish this episode was not so misleading as to what surrgacy is. This woman’s experience is very uncommon and paints a negative light on such a beautiful thing.
I have never thought much about surrogacy until now. Thank you for this guest - Her story has impacted me greatly and made me realize the impact it will surely have on the child. I had never thought about it so I thank you!
It’s not an accurate representation of surrgacy though. Most surrogates are not even related to the baby they are carrying. This story is rare because she was carried by her biological mother. The host said this is no longer widely practiced and is even illegal.
This was very touching. I actually have a friend who has been a surrogate twice and looking to do it again ( she does have her family) so it really touched me what Olivia said: why did she sell me and not her other kids ? Wow what a heavy weight to put onto a child…terrifying actually to think about it from her point of view. I have 3 adopted cousins and they’ve struggled even though they had a loving family so I really get her message. Strangely, my friend who is a surrogate is a Christian so hard to understand where she comes from on that. I just always thought: I’d never be able to give the child up even if it didn’t have my genes so to speak I’d have trouble but even more so if the baby had come from my egg. Not that I ever considered it really but have considered it because of my friend. Thank you for having her on and really a touching story. Now, I have to say and not to diminish her story but I suffered everything she talked about even though I was raised by my biological parents… I guess this just proves that God just brings us to experience certain things for our soul growth I guess. I really feel so much better now that I found the Lord in my heart I am even able to forgive my biological parents for all the pain and suffering because although I absolutely agree with her: no child should be put through that I also know from experience that biological parents can hurt you and damage you as well. Just hard to reconcile how much we can hurt children and the real need for accountability when it comes to bringing a baby into this world 🤍
Another thing that leads to the same question is so called “embryo donation” that many Christians seem to think is fine.
When a couple decide to “donate” their excess embryos the child will wonder “Why did they keep their other children but give me away to strangers? My siblings got to be raised by their biological parents but I had to be separated from them and raised by strangers.”
There’s sadly so many unethical practices surrounding having babies that Christians have decided are totally fine.
I’m not even okay with selling my eggs. I would feel responsible if a child came from one of my eggs, like how is that family treating that child, how is the child doing. And I would want that child even if I didn’t carry the child, because that child would share my DNA.
If your friend is Christian, I would show her all of Allie's content about surrogacy and IVF. By the way, your friend isn't doing it for free. Any possibility of this being about "nobility" is simply a lie. It's very sad that she's done it twice and wants to keep going. It's a job for her. Maybe her kids will be the ones to help her understand and question what she's doing.
Yes, my biological mother is a covert narcissist, and I could not relate to her and did not feel loved by her. I could related to much of this woman was saying because it related to my experience from my own mom, who carried me and I'm biologically related to her.
most so-called "Christian women" nowadays are more concerned with virtue signaling, being liked and admired by this broken and fallen world and having their good works and deeds publicized and praised on Facebook, vs actually caring about doing the right thing for the sake of Gods words and wisdom.
Social media has basically corrupted western women. It's embarrassing and sad. So I have no doubt she posts all about her "surrogacy journey" all over her social media page while pretending to be humble as she rakes in the ❤"likes" and praise from people with no concern for that baby
I could never imagine the pain she feels from this. Nor can I imagine giving any child up that I’ve carried in my womb for 9 months. Traumatizing for both.
Whew! ALLIE! Mic drop there at the end! So well said... God LOVES HER and is USING HER! I was on the edge of my seat waiting to hear how you responded after she said she had no faith multiple times. Chef's kiss. Perfection. You modeled for the rest of us how to gently hand someone the truth, in love.
Allie, I love that you shared with her about God's love and purpose for her. I hope that took root in her heart.
I grew up with my biological parents and grandparents very active in my family, but never felt like I belonged. My grandmother was from the other side of Canada and I never really knew her part of the family. I finally went out and met them in 2023 and I found my people. That was the part of me that was missing and I felt like I was home.
As a woman who desires a child but can't carry. I am on the fence about this topic. Adoption is difficult, and employers make surrogacy an easier option. What does everyone suggest? We are so quick to Judge people.
The wrong thing is always easy to do! Sometimes there's a reason, a greater purpose in being childless, whether to adopt or have a certain career. Ask God! Blessings on you.
I’m sorry you cannot carry. And please understand, my heart goes out to you so please don’t take this as personal criticism or attack. You asked for other people’s views so that is why I am writing this here.
Even if it is harder to adopt, I cannot help but see surrogacy in the way Allie sees it - as a type of human trafficking. I have friends who were adopted, one from the day she was born. She always knew she was adopted and her other siblings were adopted as well. She feels absolutely loved in her family and respects her adoptive mother and (now deceased) adoptive father more than many biological children respect their biological parents! In addition, she respects her biological mother as her biological father tried to force her birth mom into an abortion. Adoption saved my friend’s life.
I also have another friend who got her daughter through private adoption - a friend of a friend - this woman is a nurse and put the word out with her coworkers that she and her husband wanted to adopt and that is how she got her baby girl - ie. a coworker had a relative (very young girl) who became pregnant and was in no position to raise a baby. My friend named her daughter Grace, because it was through the Grace of God that she found this child.
I also know of a woman who was impregnated due to rape (she was rufied by a stranger). Because of her faith, she carried the baby and gave her up through private (but open) adoption.
All this to say - perhaps it is difficult or expensive to adopt - but through the Grace of God it CAN happen! And the story you and your husband, and your adopted child can tell is so much more. Like Allie said - redemption, not transaction.
Bless you, and I pray that God shows you a clear path and heals your pain.
Curious what do you mean “employers make surrogacy easier?”
@cmconcon my employer will pay for a surogrent heath care and the process. But wouldn't help with adoption fees.
I couldn't either and used a surrogate (my own egg and husband's sperm). It was an amazing experience for all involved including my surrogate who I remain close with and we will visit as a family annually because we all care about each other. I've never heard of an employer paying for surrogacy tho, wow! You're very lucky!
This woman needs therapy. She has a troublesome relationship with her parents that could be due to the surrogacy, but it could even be something else. It's too simplistic to blame it all on surrogacy.
Kids of divorce suffer much of this, my mother was adopted and was a product of rape, I was so proud of the grandmother I never met how she made sure her child lived, even with that knowledge my mother still felt that abandonment her whole life. I was a only child and at 6 my parents split, so that fear of abandonment is a part of me too. I wish we could go back to the family of the Bible.
I sincerely mean this and of course easier said than done. If you haven’t done this yet, try giving God your fear of abandonment. Allow Him to heal you. Healing may not happen overnight, but I know it’s possible in Jesus name.
Thank you, Ally, for showing us the other side of the story and reaching out to Olivia. 😢 I can relate to her feelings, please people, you can not tie someone else's shoelace, on shoes you have never ever worn yourself. Love and compassion are so important. God bless.
Wow...thank you, Mauriel for your vulnerability in having this conversation. God bless you ❤
I agree with the two of you regarding surrogacy. What annoys me is that Allie sees a difference with adoption. My story is so similar to Olivia, but I was adopted. I'm 62 and still affected by abandonment, people leaving or not caring about me, etc. I am a Christian, I've been to years of counseling, all the things. And this was MY experience too!
It’s not the same. Don’t assume you know what it’s like to be born by surrogacy when you don’t. Yes, two different things can cause similar wounds and problems but they are still completely different things.
Surrogacy means the parents you live with caused you this hurt, on purpose. When you are adopted you were adopted because your biological parents couldn’t care for you. These are two very different situations.
Adoptive parents are trying to heal the wounds, parents who used surrogacy caused their child’s wounds on purpose. Adoption is selfless, surrogacy is selfish.
I'm adopted also. I struggled more with how my adoptive parents handled my questions. They definitely didn't have all the education and training parents have to go through now with home studies. I never found out who my bio family was, but after coming to the Lord, it didn't matter anymore. I forgive my bio mom for whatever happened. I have also forgiven my adoptive parents even though they were the source of my pain. I'm blessed with a baby now, and get to experience what family was intended to be. I love her so much and am proudly a SAHM. No job will pay me enough to leave her. ♡
Adoption is always a better answer than abortion. REJECTION is satans favorite thing to use against Gods people.
Even those of us with biological parents have experienced rejection . The only thing that heals this is a relationship with Christ, forgiving those that hurt you and knowing your new bloodline. You said that you are a counselor, but I still sense that you have a lot of deep hurt yourself. 😢I pray that you can experience Jesus in a new way, and allow Him to heal you from those deep wounds of abandonment!
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@@Ana_Cecilia615God bless you and your family 🙏♥️ Wonderful testimony !! I believe it was your CHOICE of forgiveness,that led you to peace .
Your bloodline is through JESUS CHRIST🙌🏼🩸☦️
@@thefuturista7836but you and your parents share the same DNA, which is the deciding factor in the connection. Which womb you developed in doesn’t have an effect on your physical connection. The vast majority of parents that choose surrogacy do so because of a medical issue the woman has - she has functioning ovaries but a womb with failure to provide proper implantation for the egg. The child will still be 100% genetically related to the mother and father, even if surrogacy is used.
Catholics have been pretty clear on the issue of surrogacy, IVF etc.
It’s disturbing to me how many Protestants are okay with it though. Love to hear why that is?
probably just ignorance i've never heard anyone say they were against and had no idea really anything about it until about a month ago and have been researching it and it's just been so shocking. anytime we try to out perform God it always has its consequences though
Once we stopped believing God opens and closes the womb, we started believing in taking matters into our own hands, first via birth control, then abortion, then invitro, surrogacy etc We want power and control. We want what we want. Protestants don't even realize that historically the Protestant church was opposed to birth control just like Catholics. That's my understanding.
Chills! Way to go Allie Beth, I love how you faithfully shared the gospel with her! Thank you so much for being a faithful vessel for the Lord! I pray that you planted a seed in her life and she comes to know the Lord!❤️
I hurts my heart that she feels so abandoned. In my family I have a cousin close in age who in the past few years that she was born of " traditional" surrogacy she had already been told that her father wasn't her biological father because he couldn't produce children ( didn't matter because her father has always been a wonderful dad) but found out that her mom wasn't her biological mom either as a result of her parents divorce. Her relationship with her mom has always been up and down before the revelation. I have another cousin who was adopted and although her parents were always great and told her she could try and find her bio parents at 18 ( she found her bio mom and had a heartbreaking experience with her) she said she felt abandoned. Both adopted parents are now dead and she experiences guilt with some of her behavior towards them while they were alive. Now, I have a close friend who was the surrogate for a brother and sister in law ( she's not biologically related to the child. The child's parents are biologically her parents) My friend did this out of love and received no monetary compensation and is an aunt to the child. I can't speak for how the child will feel growing up but I saw some selflessness and love in bringing that child into the world and into their family.
Keep exposing these stories. The selfishness of the adults are exposed by cutting her out of their lives for struggling with what they did. True love says, "I'm sorry we hurt you. We were wrong. How can we move forward?" That should be every ivf/surrogate parents response when this happens. Otherwise, you prove to us all that you were only in it for yourself.
I was a surrogate for my sister and her husband. My niece is the most beautiful blessing in our family. She is cherished and loved. I'd do it all over again.
Yeah but was your egg used or hers?
I think it's different when you are doing something like that out of love for your family vs. trying to make a quick buck. I am very glad that it worked out so well for your family. Blessings to all of you.
That’s all good from your perspective but I wonder how she feels? Just a thought.
I agree I think it’s great to do it for your family, the business side of it is more disturbing but also I guess some people don’t have family willing to do it.
I have only known the beautiful surrogacy story of my friend carrying a baby for her friend after cancer made it impossible for the mom to carry another child herself. It was their biological child fully but my friend was the incubator:) They spent time together throughout the preganancy and my friend remains a part of the child's life. I think it was a beautiful thing. I am so sad to hear of so much pain in others from such a vastly different situation. 😢
I feel for this woman. Being adopted I had similar feelings of oddity in my family. I was the oldest. My mother had a biological child 2 years after adopting me. I am very grateful for my life and upbringing. Although I never felt unloved, there is definitely a difference between me and my brother. I made peace with that with the knowledge that I have a father in heaven who loves me unconditionally. Forgiveness results in freedom for all. I have to say, many cases of surrogacy result in beautiful families. But when it goes badly, it seems to go very badly. There is an element of selfishness when it comes to surrogacy because the world does not have a shortage of orphaned children. She has a Jesus-shaped hole in her heart. I pray she comes to know the healing power of a personal relationship with the Lord.
Agree adoption is different than surrogacy but some similar things, I was adopted as an infant, my birthmom got to pick my adopted family from a catalog, my adopted parents paid crazy amounts for me, my birth certificate also erased my previous identity and says my adopted parents are my “real parents”. I had a name given to me by my birthmom and dad but my adopted parents had it legally changed, just like how you’d change a pets name if you got it from the pound. Adoption is insanely transactional too. I was taken from my birthmom in the hospital then sent to a foster home then adopted within the first couple months of my life I went through three different caregivers. Adoption and surrogacy are not the happy healing things people think they are
Do you know why you were taken away from your biological mother?
Amazing interview. God bless Olivia. ❤️🙏
The way this sweet and brave woman communicates shows a kind of essential sorrow that may be very hard to overcome, but I think speaking out like this will help a great deal.
Olivia, God bless you. I’m thankful you are here. I agree that surrogacy needs to end, but I am so, so thankful for you. 🙏
Great conversation, and this needs to be shared with our nation.
. And Allie, I want to commend you on how you share the gospel. I feel like I don’t have the words but listening at how you shared that she is valuable in Gods eyes and that she has a purpose whether she believe is Christ or not, that was said beautifully. I always learn so much from you. Thank you! 😊
I’m only part way through their interview, but I can begin to fathom her circumstance! My grandma, who I am most like of my parents and grandparents, passed away this year and just hearing stories of her when she was young and hearing stories about her parents and family was so fascinating that we can relate all those characteristics down through the generations.
She is such a genuine and brave person. I felt so sad hearing her struggles about having friendships. It's something I struggled with too. I would want to be Olivia's friend 💕 May God bless her.
Very interesting, educational and inspiring. Thank you for this interview. This woman'a points make total sense and we just need to be made aware of these aspects, because I think we simply haven't thought surrogacy through.... As a side note, hearing her talk about her mental health struggles and feeling of abandonment has given me a warm feeling of "I am not alone". Many of us experience abandonment, in various forms and circumstances, and I find this lady super brave and I hope she gets a platform and followers.
She's not Christian but has a better moral compass than many so called Christians. The fact that she can actually see and understand why surrogacy is so wrong. I hope one day she has an encounter with Jesus. She would make a great follower of Christ.
She suffered a childhood full of anxiety due to excessive age gap from her parents.
Even in such time all you can think of is to covert her to Christianity?
Wow, this whole surrogate topic makes me feel so much for the baby. I completely agree with you ladies. This is completely wrong and horrible. Keep speaking and educating ppl. ❤
I have a thought on how she knew she suspected she was a surrogate. I am acquainted with someone who has been a pro-life advocate very strongly - like, active in protests EVERY weekend, and I once asked her why - I guess because I knew I should be more active in it, but was "busy", I guess - so many other priorities. But here she was, every weekend. Well when she was younger - could have been a teen - she felt she had an identical twin that had been aborted. She felt she knew this for a long time, and when she finally confronted her mother (and this had always been a strained relationship), her mother refused to answer her, making her know it was true. She was an abortion survivor, and her identical twin had died to violent death of abortion. I would be protesting every weekend, too.
Wow, so she just instinctively knew? So incredible
I’m heartbroken and speechless. Jesus move in her heart. Thank you Allie for having her on!