Expectations not met... We're testing the MSI Z690 Godlike
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Timestamps:
0:00 Intro
1:46 The MSI MEG Z690 Godlike
3:32 3,5"-Touchpanel & more
3:59 The Shroud
4:59 Tuning Controller Module optional?
5:08 Detaching the Touchpanel
5:22 The Choice of materials
6:32 M.2-Slots & magnetic RGB connector
7:40 Block diagramm PCIe Lanes
8:40 The magnetic RGB connector again
9:23 The hidden feature
10:15 The I/O-Panel
11:11 The Godlike powered on: DeBug
11:58 Temperatures
12:24 The Design while powered on
13:22 M-Vision: The Touchscreen in detail
15:34 Conclusion: High Expectations
16:06 Conclusion: MSI Center Software
17:15 Conclusion: The Touchscreen
19:22 Conclusion: The Positive
20:17 Conclusion: The Review-Bundle
21:30 Conclusion: Innovation is great
22:08 Outro - Věda a technologie
I feel like the MSI R&D department's cocaine budget needs to be cut back *severely* if their engineers currently think this is a reasonable design for a motherboard. How's it gonna escalate further from that?
Lol!!
Make a mobo that ditches aesthetics and only focuses on cooling every component. I swear PC elitism cares more about things that don't matter like how bright is my RGB psu
Sound levitation, strong electromagnetic fields*, wireless power transmission*, wireless PCI-e Gen 5 and sata with transmitters and receivers. Just imagine how your NVMe would float above motherboard. Forget about RGB lighting, blackbody radiation is much cooler (hotter). 48 micropumps with mini waterloops inside of different levitating parts of motherboard. LED screens? That's SO retro. Screen would be projected by 16 mini-projectors on thin layers of vapor from multiple angles. Custom animation schemes for each component of motherboard.
*16x16 PSU array is not included in standard complectation
Non of the manufacturer make a perfect product. They have their own manufacturing philosophy. If all product are perfectionist, for sure the prices gonna be premium. Will you buy it? All this youtuber who review tech product, they are outsider, not the industry player nor the stakeholder. Talking is cheap than done something. LMAO
Another over priced faddy product aimed at those with too much money.
There is ABSOLUTELY NO EXCUSE for using a resistive touch screen on a product this premium. It is unacceptable and they would have done better to scrap the touchscreen functionality entirely and maybe use lcd buttons or something. The longer this video went on the more it appeared to me that msi tried to make the most expensive toy they could in the hopes that people would see big price and buy. Its honestly offensive to hardware enthusiasts
Fully agree. The last time I used a resistive touchscreen was when I had a Nokia N97, which was horrible when it was new in 2009.
A remote control would be nice imo.
@@kanbekan simply a phone app connected via Bluetooth would have more utility.
The AIO is the biggest joke. Who buys a 2k board and uses an AIO?
@@FNFleExZ Hmm, that's kind of true even though many people that have a lot of money doesn't necessarily have the know-how to install a custom loop but I guess they would pay someone to do it for them. I have been thinking about entering into the "custom loop game" myself but I still think it's kind of diminishing returns from my Artic Freezer 420mm AIO. Looks much more cleaner with a custom loop system of course ;-)
If MSI wants to be on the edge of technology, LED screen needs to support GIFs playback
The only new GPU I could find for sale when I was looking was the Aorus with the LCD on the side, and it supports GIFs. It's a silly gimmick, but it's fun. It also displays whatever GPU stats I want, with whatever GIF I've chosen playing in the background.
I also have one of those ROG AIOs that have a screen. Can do GIF playback as well and it has some generic ROG animation by default, mostly use it as CPU Temp.
The board I have also has a smaller monochrome screen, that one does POST (which is pretty cool because it also does tell you what each code is for), then it switches to CPU Temp. Set that one to VRM Temp.
People be buying it just to display the pornhub gif 😂
@@NonEuclideanTacoCannon and video, instead of just rgb companies should invest in more small screens like Mercedes’ does with the buttons and switches in their AMG models
I want to watch streaming video on my LED screen so yeah they had better get with it.
Kitties own everything in the house. Be glad Sheik lets you live there.
😂😂😂
I can easily envision the marketing people watching this review in the same room with the engineers - and the engineers, mildly infuriated, repeating "WE. TOLD. YOU. ALL. THIS."
This is what happens when the marketing people have the final saying. I can't see how this motherboard is worth the same as the FREAKING DOMINUS EXTREME. How in the fuck does an E-ATX board with stupid features is worth the same as an SSI-EEB motherboard with bonkers power delivery, while also being not so much better than the Z690 Hero at a 1/4 of the price?
I'm also confused by MSI's decision making process and priorities. They seem to care about good feedback, so how do you end up sending such a product for a review?
well-said.
@@TheMC1X hence why companies like AMD (and I hope now Intel too) is so succesful - their CEO is an engineer who UNDERSTANDS the processes themselves of making products and the high-level technical aspects of them, so they can make decisions based on understanding their own products and judge if they're good enough compared to the market offerings.
@@galgrunfeld9954 That's how in 3 years they catched up with almost a decade of market monopoly that Intel had. Bob Swan with the BS marketing wasn't cutting it, and let's not forget how they shot themselves in the foot with X299.
Keep an eye on Pat and how everything unfolds. Alder Lake so far seems nice. Not as efficient as Zen, but nice.
The screen needs to be capacitive like modern cell phones. Pressure sensitive screens were used on first gen touch screen phones over 10 years ago. That's a no go even for a test product.
Kinda amazed anyone still makes them, tbh.
Yeah even the first android phones and iPhones had capacitive touch screens. Capacitive touch technology was invented nearly 70 years ago. It’s insane this doesn’t have it.
resistive touchscreens have tons of advantages over capacitive ones (that apparently most people have zero fucking clue about), but definitely not in this area. Horses for courses.
@@spectraleggings But those advantages don't apply here, Capacitive is a much better technology for this application.
More like 20 years ago now, 10 years ago was 2012, my galaxy s4 had a capacitive touch screen.
Oh god..... That VGA error gave me horrible flashbacks to the talking car things from the 80s."The door is ajar - please close door. The door is ajar - please close door"
If only their customer service was half as decent as their Motherboards I'd consider buying any MSI product. Cheers Roman & Sheik.
I have a B450 Gaming Pro Carbon. It was recommended as one of the better B450 boards by Buildzoid. I've had nothing but problems. I was on a DDR4 overclocking kick and dialed my timings in perfect. Took me a month, lowering each sitting and testing all day on Karhu and Memtest Pro. Eventually I got them perfect. Before updating my bios I saved the profile on USB. Their newest bios however is incompatible with that profile. On a restart, half the time it just hangs and throws an LED VGA error. If I restart it, it'll boot fine. I'm using an MSI 1070 Ti Duke. Checking their bios revision history one of their first updates was to improve VGA compatibility. I'm assuming they forgot about their own 1070 Ti's. I've sworn off MSI boards.
i've sworn off msi since the early 2000's.
MSI's motherboards are amongst their worst products. I boought a couple ones myself, and built a dozen of PCs with them. Problems everywhere. Their UEFI might be one the best looking and simplest to use but oh boy. 8 out of 10 issues, their UEFI fucks something the rest is RAM training being dogshit. Sometimes locking customers with bootloops because the mobo faisl traning.
As a personnal example, i own a z570 Unify, great looking board, no RGB, has some nice features and supposedly great OC capabilities. I could achieve some nice RAM OC with a 5900x (3800 CL16/14/14/28). But while the mobo itself is pretty nice, once again, their software...
Once in a while my PC won't boot, and i have to shuffle around my RAM sticks (MY OC passed 400% memtest). And 2 months ago, my BIOS literally self-destructed. I had never seen that. I was stuck on another bootloop which made me shuffle around the sticks. After a couple trys, i was able to access my BIOS, but with maybe 5fps, sluggish and then, my PC shuted down and i was then stuck on an UEFI error code on boot. Good thing this mobo has a BIOS updater USB port, because i wouldn't have been able to recover it otherwise as clearing the CMOS was no use.
So yeah, never going back to buying anything MSI, i'll have to buy ASUS mobos i guess now
@@Obantrash Their Intel Mobos are trash but their AMD Mobos really lead the way. x570 Tomahawk, Unify, Godlike are really good the Tomahawk and Unify especially give you no reason to go higher priced Mobos.
@@twiggsherman3641 Me too - see my post just now. Although UK cust service was, for me, exemplary - I don't think they could have done better.
The VGA error reminds me of those Chinese bluetooth speakers saying "The bluetooth device is ready to pair " in a weird way.
9:15 lol omg ! 🐈
The lighting looks like the newer Teamgroup RGB dimms. Subtle and diffused. Very nice.
Just love the fully covered motherboard. This and the Z690 formula are pretty good looking
Awesome like always, Roman! A kitty walking over this piece of hardware is a new level of hardcore hardware reviews.
Independent hardware testing. I see rivalry with GN.
'Kitty walking' is THE new torture test.
@@dikbozo if only he removed the socket cover…
I had no idea 💡. That you had another Tech Channel. Awesomeness hands down. Thank you for posting this video. You are a blessing to the Tech community..
I think that magnet connectors are used there for specific reason (and to be fancy). Imagine having there common long pins for RGB and then removing the cover/heatsink etc. not perpedicular to motherboard, but in angle, because e.g. you dont know that there is rgb connector. That could cause bending RGB pins or damaging connector.
Simple touching, spring loaded pins would be enough. Basically exactly same stuff they have now, just without wasting magnets :).
i bought an msi meg godlike board for my i9 9900KS couple years ago and now they come out with this which is insane!!!! like a space ship!
The reason for the magnetic connectors on the M.2 covers is for the RGB behind the glass.
thank you awesome video going to place my pre order now :)
I had MSI X99 Godlike board and I bought back then because it was packed full of features that other motherboards didn't have and after seeing this. I feel like this is just filled with gimmicks and flashy eye candy at an eye-watering price for a platform that will maybe last a couple of years before it gets replaced.
Awesome video,thanks for sharing.
Im really not thrilled by the slow disappearance of PCI-E 1x and 4x slots interspersed between the 16Xs, they do have uses, for example my HD60Pro cards which I have multiple of installed in my system... if I spend this much on a board/chip/ram, I really dont want to have to buy a separate set up for a workstation
Gamers and extreme overclockers have permantly ruined the motherboard and case market for people who want to use their computer to do things.
If you're like me and don't care about RGB and gimmicks. You can probably buy a HEDT setup for this money, Threadripper CPU and WS board. When I built my last system I skipped the expensive mainboards, bought a Aorus X570 pro that has a 4x slot and simply added in a 10Gbit nic, done. A mainboard with the same 10Gbit NIC onboard was at least 400 euro more expensive LOL.
@@BertM3 Unfortunately I do in fact want all the toys... though I do currently have two rigs, a 9900K on an MSI Godlike Z390 with a 3080 for my gaming machine, and an X99 i7 5930K on a Gigabyte X99 UD4 with a 1080 Ti as my workstation... its just, if I went and spent $2K+ on a motherboard, I really expect more in the way of expansion, that is really kinda half the point of an expensive board.. ironically it would appear im one of the few people even eligible to buy the bloody thing in the first place... oh well... I guess I could do a build in my 1000D with the secondary as some kind of high end ITX based workstation...
That thing is gorgeous- absolutely beautiful! Oh, I was referring to the big orange/ginger CAT. So cute. I'm guessing he helped you build the computer.
09:17 That was totally intentional, it was not by accident, not only did she step on it with one leg, she made sure that she has stepped on it well with his rear foot, just in case.
Even his cat even wants that mobo in the garbage. xD
Cats walk that way, their hind paw steps in the same spot, it's called "direct registering" it's to minimize noise, minimize footprint and ensure stable footing as their hind legs don't have to guess where to step on.
Oooff! Very good looking board! I can't quite decide on what was the peak moment in this video. The MSI Dragon making appearance or Sheek's careless attempt to paperweight the damn thing😁😁...
As you say, the problem is at this cost there are things you just expect to work or have been tested properly, and for there to be next to no compromise, they made a good start but the final execution is just a bit off.
Shame about the resistive screen. Can you disable the silly growling? If they had just put as much polish into it and the software as they had done the SSD RGB cover/connectors it might have been a nice addon. Absolutely agreed about the AIO. If you have 2k knocking about for a motherboard, surely you'd have a custom loop already?
At the very least, you wouldn't use a shitty MSI aio.
At 7:44 i see a use the the magnetic parts if it works like it looks like.
When doing later install work it would make it easier to screw it down with the case upright instead of on its side.
I just upgraded in my old case “couldn’t find a comparable super tower case that would fit all my hdd’s” and the biggest hassle is to do with a case design fault that means the pcie screw section had a piece of the frame above it meaning the only way to get a screw for the gpu “3090” in was by hand then a awkward tightening with a Allen’s key screwdriver. It really makes me appreciate anything that holds things inplace.
Also added bonus more magnets that can catch dropped screws.
Incase anyone wonders 6x 3.5’ hdd’s and 1x 2.5’ ssd
And most cases these days don’t seem to accommodate 3.5’s even in super tower cases.
Or even in as higher numbers as my current case can handle i think 16 drives even before accounting that i don’t have any of the optional drive bays.
12:20 Just curious have you messed with tightening the timings on Trc and Trfc with DDR5? I'd love to see a video on that.
Thanks for the video Der8auer. Although I think msi's "innovation" on this MB isn't any different here than Logitech adding a LCD screen on their keyboards. Funnily enough I'd much rather have this HW_info on my keyboard where it's much more functional in this location. I feel ironically this Mb is for those who like fashion over function
moved to g815 month ago, i still miss logitech lcd
9:10 the cats precision of stepping on exactly the lga socket with both legs
I would expect more PCI/PCIe slots.
I get there are limits because of all the M.1 slots, but if you need additional hardware like RAID NVMe or a Capture Card?
Intel tends to lock down CPU controlled raid. Requiring a "key" to make a bootable array. An x16 slot will handle the raid card in any case. But I definitely agree that this board is lacking in many categories. I think this was targeted at people with more money than brains. Thus the AIO and other noobish features.
great overview
The magnetic connector on the plates for the m.2 cover is for the rgb in the cover
Magnetic connector is not a bad idea in that spot. It sends power through to the little screen on the cover and could be damaged through unplugging and plugging.
Oh, those connectors on the panel and m.2 is called a mag-safe connector yes for smartphones and laptop cables
love the intro :D keep it real like this
Back in the day Asus had an X58 board w/ a remote screen thing.... Things go away and then come back. Great review, saved me 2k
Another great video!
thanks - you saved me big bucks - this is not even on my radar - love the EN videos
That speaker takes me back to the days of the POST beep
The magnetic connectors transfer power for the RGB lighting to the covers from the motherboard, probably acts like an ARGB header to keep lighting in sync.
It’s still screwed into place though, so it does seem redundant to also include magnetic attachment.
Also the NVMe shields could have temp sensors built into them for temp readings.
@@StefanHolmes I did have a problem with placing it back on my motherboard after it sat in the case and I had to add an ssd. If this solves the placement issue plus ads easy rgb connection without fear of any header damage, when you just pull it off, because you forgot the rgb connection, it makes a lot of sense for me.
Honest reviews always welcome, good job Roman. And yeah msi monitoring ws has always been usless, on my x570 meg ace i never bothered as it also required an online account to use, NO Msi No!
Excellent video - thanks you for reviewing a board I will never ever be able to make peace with, price wise. It is a wonderful looking board, but I agree: At that price range, I would expect perfection.
Also - No computer-cave is complete without an adorable cat
I get the feeling it’s the old msi overvolting issue again, try lowering below 1.3v & see if it still throttles.
Awesome thanks
8:54 "Ohh, roman and his magnets again"
Would be cool if you could develop your own apps to put on the little touch screen. I doubt that that is something the target audience would do but I would love it if the feature eventually comes to more budget boards.
Step 1: Get an Arduino Pro Micro and a touchscreen shield, connect power and reset to arduino.
Step 2: Design a cool enclosure.
Step 3: Suffer heavy losses because of hobbies.
Hi der8auer! I watched one of your videos a few years ago; where you showed us how to use BIOS to overclock a 8700K (using a ASUS ROG Hero X motherboard). I wrote down all the steps in that video on a piece of paper, which I've had for many years. Every time I update my motherboard BIOS I use that paper with its instructions to re-overclock my 8700k.
I have good news though, I have recently upgraded to a 12700KF + Gigabyte DDR4 motherboard. I was wondering if you plan on posting a video guide showing us how to configure this OC? I would like to request it, if you have time.
Cheers, you do great work.
You know what devices use that kind of touch screen?
The very first touch screen phones (or some modern industrial machines but they still dont require much pressure or at all).
Feels like a prototype.
The Nintendo ds and 3ds are the most modern devices i know of that use resistive but that is likely because of the small hard plastic touchpen that cannot just be used with capacitive ones
I remember Soltek boards with socket A which were screaming error codes through the pc-speaker.
Thanks. :"convection underneath the back plate." It is time that air flow under the mobo became an issue. GPU's with water blocks on both sides is already a deal. That big hole in the motherboard tray under the cpu needs air flow. That's easy to do in a big case with the mobo mounted horizontally.
Imagine if they ditched the touchscreen and added something like an ESP32 and via that they could connect an app wirelessly independent of the main CPU and do all the diagnostics and tweaking control. Also be cheaper in materials and more robust as well as allowing so much more upon a display of the users choice.
I feel like that magnetic connector would be for the LED you mentioned.
9:16 my heart dropped when I saw that, imagine if pins were bent after that incident
let's hope MSI will follow your suggestions! All that plastic and the resistive touch screen are a no-go for me
At that price I would definitely expect total perfection everywhere.
That’s definitely motherboard for enthusiasts. Need some polish here and there, but it looks quite stylish
design wise, i love how msi godlike series are heading toward since Z590.
I like the idea of the touch screen but I think the quality can definiety be improved
The TCM or Tuning Controller Module is also missing in the MSI z690 MEG Ace, even though there’s a header for it and it’s mention in the manual there as well. I can’t find anything about it online, even in MSI’s store.
9:17 explained everything for this socket
Looks like this will be only way I can get ddr5 ram. So glad I'm in line for a chance to buy one.
Thank you nice board
The cat looking at the mobo is the best part for me 3:20
I just installed that S360 AIO and it’s very needed for the 12900K, unless you have a custom block. Also using that aio plugged in to the board might be giving you problems with the board display, did you plug it in correctly? Personally I like the S360 it’s only about $279 and can display whatever you want
maybe that magnetic connector on the m.2 shield is to deliver power for the LEDs you said were in the shield?? it looks like there are 4 gold terminals in there. don't know how else it would get power lol. great video!
Use the nail with that kind of screens. Those come with car infotainment systems all the time
The screen is using the older resistive touch screen. Newer displays like modern smartphones use capacitive touch screen technology. Resistive needs much more pressure to activate.
What I'm curious about, that Roman didn't cover, is recovery from settings that cause boot failure. Seeing how that board, with its fancy debug display, responds to the sort of memory settings that usually lead you to need to clear the CMOS would have been interesting but probably not worth making a new video for.
Having definitely disliked how dragon center used to work and now have been running MSI center for about a few months now I personally haven't had it crash but I wouldn't be surprised.
..I had a heart attack when catto stepped on the Socket... My Lord..
The metal armor is in relation to the m.2 protection panels
Oh god, when she walked on the CPU socket my heart jumped.
You also have the ROG MAXIMUS Z690 EXTREME GLACIAL in the same price category. But it's water-cooled.
Can't wait for the video about the Asus ROG Maximus Z690 Extreme Glacial 😛
I have the Z390 Godlike, but it wasn't near as expensive to own as this one at almost double the price! however when it comes to premium boards this is it
Handsome kitty, they are such awesome helpers.
Roman : We need professionals to first check if everything that was included in delivery looks fine
His cat : Lemme check
reminds me of the asus oc panel but made with msi quality. Really disappointed that it needs OS software to get temperature measurements since theoretically that can be done by a sub system on the board without OS knowing.
the test bench legs that are with this i got them with a msi krait gaming b450, i think they add them to most motherboards, i used it to test before my final build
The moment the cat destroyed the paket. First shock, second laughing 😂
For that price you should be able to add any grafics you want to the screens
This is the perfect companion to my original Level 10 case (late 2000s era, look it up) that I never found a use for but became absolutely infatuated with. Too bad I was into the whole ‘hackintosh’ thing and this is totally incompatible with that (because of lack of hardware support, and because of apple’s path towards ARM being well along in its path).
I don't think MSI sent you the package as a Christmas present, but for evaluation purposes, and you delivered. MSI should thank you for pointing out the pros & cons. For that prize, they should have thrown in a CPU too!:)
Cats and boxes man. Don't know what's their relation, but it runs deep.
Cheers for the review Roman, I did like it until I took a sip of my espresso coffee and you mentioned the price then I fear near choked on it and it nearly all ended up over the keyboard. That price works out to be $3,335.56 NZD, rather buy my son a car for that price just outrageous.
I would love to watch and hear what the two Steves (Gamers Nexus & Hardware Unboxed) would say about this mobo.
If there are RGB leds behind the tempered glass in the M2 cover the magnetic connector is to power the LEDs! How else would the LED get power.
Couldnt they make an aio, with standar threaded fittings to for the rad, and put the pump in the radiator? Cause then you could remove the radiator, and incorporate the block in a costum loop, but still have an aio if you dont have a costum loop
Just looking at OCUK earlier, they don't have any DDR5 listed for sale so there are no prices displayed, but I had added a couple of 6400Mhz kits to my wish list and for some reason they do show the prices, £750!!!!!
This is the first one of these "stupid price" motherboards that really looks interesting to any degree... Though as you say, for the price it needs to be more refined.
every year they increase the price of it a few years ago it cost $600 which was still alot for a motherboard
@@hivemind8817 Meh, X299 were way above that ~3 years ago already.
Just wait for the MSRP of the 3090Ti / 4090, I'm sure that will be fun.
@@puciohenzap891 I meant consumer not professional, professional has always had insane price premiums.
Gorbaz - for the price, it needs to WORK! Not just to boot, but for everything to work, and work properly, which none of this does. It just shows the mentality of MSI to send out a board with all these issues - they're a bunch of wan**rs.
Awesome!
I would think that if they want to send a unit to you to test out, that they would first themselves check it for themselves to make sure its a working unit.. hence it may get banged up a bit.. during their testing to make sure its all in working order..
You gottah hear that start up sound from the board everytime? Lol. That's funny. Hope it can be turned off or even changed.
From working with my new MB memory issues seem to fail at the CPU initialisation phase in a lot of cases.
My problem was for some reason the new motherboard wanted to default to a unworkable memory config.
I had to do a round about of having it boot with memory in single channel change the memory config from default to the xmp “think thats what its called’ profile.
Turn off install the rest of my ram, load back into bios and change the profile again to config for 4 stick dual channel “significantly better timings”.
Then it would run. until I figured out it was the memory causing the problem i was worried it was faulty considering i had just RMA’d beforehand because its cpu socket was faulty/damaged from the factory.
The motherboard look awsome
Beautiful orange eyes of the professional box conquistador melt my heart 🥰
Six Optane Memory modules in RAID 0 as a boot drive 😁
10:30 Mini DP *in?* Is there a capture card built in or something?
Der, what are you running in your personal rig?
Pretty sure the magnetic connectors on M.2 shields are for RGB power
A motherboard that comes with memory AND a cellphone wow!!