How to Make your Smart Trainer QUIETER! đŽđ€«
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- Äas pĆidĂĄn 27. 08. 2024
- "Silent" is the new standard for indoor Smart Trainers, however there's one thing most of them are anything but silent with - freehub noise while coasting. This video covers how to quieten down the freehub on the Tacx Neo 2T, Wahoo Kickr 18, and the Saris H3 Direct Drive Smart Trainers.
Links:
Multi-Purpose Grease on Amazon (US): amzn.to/2WXo5ur
Bike Cassette Removal Tool with Chain whip (Amazon US): amzn.to/2NMxYqE
Tacx Neo 2T (Amazon US): amzn.to/2oW7wTb
Saris H3 Smart Trainer (Amazon US): amzn.to/2JZtw6T
Wahoo Kickr Smart Trainers (Wahoo direct): bit.ly/34GK9fk
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I like my neighbors to know I'm working out at 5am in the morning. I think they like it. Sometimes they knock on the wall to cheer me up.
alexeiz hahaha
lol
Hahahahahaha
me too đ
Haha - becomes a Dad and then realises silence is golden!!!
Worked like magic on this Saris H3. Freewheel went from a loud buzz to a hum.
This is a good video to show how to quiet your freehub, but the genius part is using the plastic insert from the cassette packaging to slip off the cassette to make reinstallation alignment easy. So simple, but brilliant. Putting that tip in my toolkit. Cheers.
It saves SO much time it's crazy. They're brilliant. (Side note for OG Neos... it doesn't work with the EDCO freehubs as the end doesn't slot into it for a smooth slide on/off)
But if you don't have original packaging can you buy one. If not why not so simpleđź
I just did this on my Kickr â18. What an amazing difference it makes in the noise! Thanks for posting this type of useful content Lama!
This is what sets this channel apart, awesome content. Something usable!!
Just did this to my Kickr Core - what a difference. Taa, Shane!
Ah... The judgement with which you said "slacking off"... đđ. Thanks for the vid! Useful stuff!
Works perfect with my Kickr 4.0.
After i have changed the bearings at my unit and found a way to eliminate the horrific âdroneâ sound of my second broken kickr is this the last piece of the puzzle to quiet the kickr.
Thanks Shawn
Tip: (3:42) Put a drop of light or tenacious oil on the articulating surface (round part) of the pawl. It will prevent the grease from accumulating and causing the pawl to stick in the down position. In general, it is best to put only oil on the articulating surface of the pawl, and keep the grease on the teeth or the tips of the pawls. It certainly does make it quieter, but eventually the grease wears off and the noise will return.
Thank you! This has workered perfectly for my kickr v1! Kind of feels like mechanical doping too. So smooth now
Thank you Shane for uploading this recommendation 3 years ago. I replaced the thin coating of red grease in my Kickr V5 with a generous helping of Park Tool HPG-1 high performance grease (which is overkill, but I already had some, so whatever), and the reduction in coasting noise is shocking.
"Your slacking off on that workout you should be going a lot harder on" that made me laugh!! I feel like I have said that many times but never about my cycling training, mainly because I generally don't have the breath to say it
I just got around to implementing your suggestions on my three year old Kickr and they worked like a charm! Thank you!
That constant hum at 0:47 on the Neo, makes it noisier than my flux 1. You can clearly hear that the kickr is dead silent compared to the 2tâŠI wasnât expecting that from âthe most silent trainer everâ
Iâm used to a loud freehub outside (I used to work for a DT Swiss distributor!), but was thinking just the other night that the Edco freehub on my original Neo was as loud as a DT.
Great lateral thinking to separate the demands of outside performance from indoor noise!
Thank You !
Just greased it up - it is like a brand new KICKR !
Thanks for the idea, my Wahoo Kickr 18 seemed to lack any grease-like lubrication. Now the coasting is really silenced after applying a light coat of white grease on the pawls.đ
I do this regularly with Zipp hubs. Never thought about it for my Kickr! Great tip. Got a small weekend project now. Great video as always Shane.
So you put grease in your freehubs. Do you see any difference in terms of performance ? I'm thinking about doing this to make my freewheel quieter but I've heard grease is not recommended. Thanks !
@@guillaumecolavita827 They work just the same. I do it just to quiet them down!
@@brianbrackemyre5704 great ! Thanks. Got to try this !
Did my 2 kickrs last night. Wow what a difference, especially on the kickr v2. Thanks once again for the tip Shane đđŒ
How long did it hold up? I have a '17 Kickr I want to do
@@billdemarais7254 lasted till I sold it a year later
Will try today!
With my wheel on trainer I found that a lot of the noise is created by vibrations, i got the thickest yoga mat i could buy and set up on that. It was so much more bearable.
Also that Zwift artwork is pure awesome.
Absolutely brilliant Shane. Will be doing this on my Elite Direto ASAP. You didn't mention my brand but I'm sure it's similar and easy.
I've done it on my Direto today and the difference is noticeable!
Can't have any trainer on 'Max' sound anymore. Quality Shane thanks đđŒ
Thanks Shane! I was way over due cleaning my original Hammer. Your video reminded me to pull the freehub body off. Nice and quite now. My wife will be happy ;D
Awesome, prepping to get this done this weekend on my 2T. Want to make sure I pick up high performance grease. Thanks for the video!
Awesome Shane, silently getting the 100-odd EXP points for descending the Alpe.
Love the channel. Just tried this myself on my brand new Kikr it does have red grease on the inside of the freehub but not a lot. Repeated your process and wow it really does reduce the noise. thx
Worked like a charm, thanks Shane! âđŒ
See, the engineer is me will say "Change the manual and tell them to "Just keep pedaling!" Problem solved." "
When Max made an appearance I wasn't sure if was my own child in the calling out for me. Ha. Thanks for saving me getting up unnecessarily!
Just did this to my H2. What did they have in there before sand??? Soooo much quieter! Thanks Shane!
Would be interesting to execute the spin down test pre grease change and after to see if the resulting differences affect the calibration.
The Neo range doesn't have any spindown/calibration. I'd assume the drag introduced within the freehub would be VERY minimal (after a few minutes of riding) and only applies when you're not pedalling.
Db meter overlay would be great for a future test and on all smart trainer reviews
Thanks a lot for this video! It was very useful! Keep up with the good work :)
I add to this; use Squirt chain wax. That will - although slightly messy - also reduce the noise from your chain dramatically.
can you make a quick vid pls?
I use squirt, and after a fresh application you can barely hear the drivetrain. Only stays like that for a couple hours of riding though. I usually apply it about once a week.
wax is known to be noisier than traditional old chain lube.
Max makes an appearance. Motivation: donât wake up the baby!
Jeeps! Yet another beer I owe Shane!
Excellent video, Shane.
When do you freewheel when training inside? Very rarely
that's what I was thinking, seems pointless
SIM Mode with negative gradients. Coming to a stop. Looks like everyone agrees with you though and attends the church of ERG.
Shane Miller - GPLama must admit I only use my trainer for specific sessions. Didnât even contemplate those that go on for group rides etc
When you collapse in a heap after a hard interval :-)
Ironically, Zwift racing is when I freewheel the most! Particularly love the 7 minute break after red lining and cresting the Radio Tower... let's pretend you don't have to sprint those two kickers on the way back down...but yeah plenty of freewheeling on those longer, race descents.
Wow this is priceless idea! Took 1min on my Direto. I wonder how long grease will stay there tho but I`ll reapply it with smile ;-). Anyway thanks to that I found out that annoying irregular sound isn`t coming from chain but from inside of direto, just noisy freehub didin`t let me hear it. Had it long time and It`s sounds like sand in drivechain, maybe some chain dirt get to Direto. I`ll open my little buddy soon to help him, thank you Shane :-).
Did you need to regrease it? And what grease do you use?
@@mikewow Well, silent effect gone after few rides but it stayed on quite low level -im not scared to wake up all house. I didnt regrease it since winter and used thick FINISH LINE TEFLON GREASE. But I think any grease will do good job.
Hey guys a quick note if you have a cold paincave the thick grease can cause problems.. just a quick note.
Good point. It should soon heat up after starting your session as the trainer dissipates heat from the flywheel.
Excellent tip Shane, Iâll sort my Neo later thanks đ
Great tip but begs the question why the manufacturers donât just grease them at the factory. One of the biggest complaints in reviews is the noise and youâve just proved itâs simply (and cheaply) solved. Youâd think the companies would jump at the chance to one up their competitors...
Deliver the least, charge the most. Business. :/
Amazing! Worked like a charm! Kudos sir!
I might do this for fun but I donât really mind the free wheel tick.
Great Tip. Thumbs Up for sure!!!!
This is awesome! Have to do this on the direto.
Thanks for the tip.
I use a dâElite Drivo and Zwift.
The noise is important when I pedal on the big ring (53x13). it's better quiet on the small one (39x17). Itâs the same thing when I do training in mode ERG. Itâs better to pedal on the small ring than big.
Would love to see a video on the possible next rounds of indoor trainers (not smart bikes). A lot user are going to skipping the Neo 2T and this version of the Kickr because their "old" models are working and see no compelling reason to upgrade. But.. as a techy the 2021 should bring some interesting.. evolutionary perhaps and not just revolutionary. Neo 3x or Wahoo Kickr X come and take my money
If we look closely at the Kickr BIKE it's more 'Neo' than 'Kickr' in the design. LOTS of potential there with both the bike and possibilities to take that design to the smart trainer (which is the opposite of what Tacx have done with the Neo (taking the smart trainer to the bike)). Note: I've closed off the brackets correctly. This comment compiles without errors. ;) oh...wait.
@@gplama the KickR BIKE reminds me of the first time I saw a black Kawasaki GPZ1000RX: it looked like it ought to be Darth Vader's bike (it even had a triangular rear indicator/brakelight housing).
Gotta say though... the TacX bike gets the chocolates for 2020/21: like the entire TacX Neo range, it looks like it was designed by the Cylons.
Very helpful video! Thanks. I will be doing this to my new Wahoo KickR!
Thank you for posting this
On my new KICKR CORE the most noisy part is... the chain when I'm spinning! It's technically noiseless
Just did it for my Tacx Neo 1. Only difference was I needed a Hex key to remove the free hub đ
Would like to see the same video for wahoo kickr snap please.
Hey Shane, I have a general smart-trainer question: Wattage.
No, this isn't an FTP question. If I do 220 watts for 20 minutes on zwift that's about my ceiling right now and that might be stretching it.
However, 220 watts (according to the machine) on my elliptical is pretty easy. I can do that for much longer.
I'm assuming it's the ultra low impact nature of Elliptical that has something to do with it, but I don't know.
Thoughts?
Oh, and this elliptical is the kind with no arm levers. Precor EFX 456, to be exact.
It depends what theyâre measuring... or what they think theyâre measuring. Similar to running power meters, maybe.
Bike baby seat and balance bike reviews soon!! :) *wheel on power meter for the balance bike??
I love your thrilling and educational content upload daily please
Thanks for your continuing informative videos. Have you considered talking about the recent issues of using carbon frames on smart trainers, i.e Canyon certified frames, other manufacturers...best regards.
Discussed earlier this week here: czcams.com/video/-HHpH42xtdM/video.html
Freehub pawls aren't supposed to be greased. Hence why there was none there from the factory. That's how you end up with gummed up freehubs. That grease WILL eventually gum up and "ruin" the freehub much quicker if you put grease on it. They're supposed to be oiled with a "thick" oil and or a dry grease (lithium grease). As a bike mechanic I've seen this countless times. That said, since the trainer is always inside and warm, the "gumming up" should happen much... much more slowly.
Mentioned briefly in the video. Thereâs âcorrectâ and thereâs solving a problem that people will accept isnât perfect. This is the latter, and works really well for the application.
@@gplama Hello Shane - What grease do you recommend to use? I have the Saris H3. Could not see the brand well on the video. Thanks!
@@Juanblazquez Your call. Technically it's not advised (see above).
Shane Miller - GPLama Iâll take the risk...
@@Juanblazquez what kind of grease did you end up using? Also have an H3 and it's ridiculously loud.
Would love a quieter in general video also đ€
Shane, thank you for all the great content. Maybe not an issue, however I wonder, have you noticed any impact on spin down calibration times after adding the extra grease? Could the extra drag be having an impact?
I guess in theory it would... but itâd be so small itâd likely be not measurable. The drag on a new set of Vector 3 pedals with their tight bearing seals would be x100âworse (as an example)
Hi Shane, thanks for taking the time to respond. Out of interest do you have any data on the impact of trainer spin down calibration on subsequent trainer power reporting accuracy? I know you recommended calibration, however what, in your experience, is the impact of not doing it? Does a lack of calibration typically have a 1/5/10/20/50%? impact on accuracy. For those of us that have to rely on one power source (our trainers) for power data it might be interesting to know the impact of calibration/zero offset protocols. Maybe a topic for another video? Keep up the great work....I always look forward to your content.
@@robnoble5608 There's no easy answer here. If there was, that offset could be factored in and we'd never need to do them.
I have to try this for my neo1 đ
Brilliant!
Great video. My new Core has a very "dry" sounding freehub. If it was on my mtb I would have taken it off asap and greased it but didn't want to mess with the Core... Just in case. Guessing the procedure is the same as the Kickr '18 mate? Thanks!
Yep. Just a little grease on there will quieten it down a lot.
and I've just read your username. LOL! đ
The name suits my riding in more ways than one mate! haha Thanks for the reply, much appreciated as always.
I'm stuck at pulling off the freehub on my kickr. Just will not come off no matter how hard I pull. Any suggestions?
Is the Park Tool PP1 usually for ball bearings too light? Should I get PP2?
What type of grease are you using here? Is there a specific kind that I should use eg Teflon or otherwise? Thanks
Great tip! I do wonder if it stays that quiet or that after let's say 200km the sound is back to normal due to the run-out of the (at least the liberal amount of) grease.
Another great video, thank you. I actually asked about the freehub noise when trying out the Saris H3 at The Cycle Show in Birmingham (UK) a few weeks ago. Iâm surprised the guys there didnât know about this then, or is there a reason they arenât sharing this information? Also, from your video your drive chain looks super clean. Do you use wax for it?
Shane - Applicable to older kickrs? Thx. -U10
Shane would you be open to a test on how to make the bike as silent as possible? Beyond proper tune up. Quietest chain lube?
Didn't see that coming. And no. A mountain bike in a regular one sounds more like a lawn mover.
thanks for sharing Shane. look, im facing a noise/grinding when on high gears/load. Ive tried everything possible from the limit screws, extra spacers, chain lenght, indexing, etc.. everything looks perfectly aligned (this is a new cheap 7speed bike with tourney derraileur). when switching to my other 11speed bike (which makes no noise and no griding) i can feel a little bit of the same kind of vibration but quite mild. Is this a "thing" of the smart trainers? Ive seen a lot of people having the same problem and no proper solution. any experience on this? thanks a lot
Very good
Hi. I just re-greased my Kickr V5 with White Lightning Crystal. It was very quiet for about 2 minutes after I put the bike on and then the freewheel sound was loud again.
Do you think I just need to apply more grease?
Cheers Shane, great vid đ
That Neo drivechain was super clean. What lube are you using Shane?
A new chain I believe (the easiest way to get a clean chain) :)
I'll just keep pedaling
Even when unclipping. Done.
Hi Shane, any advice on type of grease? Or is any type ok?
Just nothing too thick. General purpose grease should be fine.
Is there a different version of the TACX NEO 2 out there, that you don't need that annoying adapter set for thru axle for anymore? The only thing i hate the Neo 2 for is that crappy adapter thingy... Just surprised to see you just putting the bike's thru axle in.
Nice vid though!
The Tacx NEO 2 SE and NEO 2T both have 'native' thru-axle support.
Thanks for this really informative and well made video. I have the Kickr Core and experience a strong vibration/grinding noise in the last 3 gears (smalles cogs). I switched almost everything which is connected to the bike and/or drivetrain without success. The bikes I tested all ran smoothly outside with no noise or vibration. Do you have an idea as to what might be wrong? I already engaged Wahoo Support and the referred me to your video (or a similar one with instruction to grease the free hub)... Thanks so much!
I have the same issue on the kickr v5 do you ave an update on this issue?
@Shane, do you have any tips on fixing the noise with older trainers? Tacx satori, blue matic ... etc
And if you make a suggestion, Shane, would the same apply to the CycleOps/Saris M2? Thanks for asking the initial question Atila.
Wheel-on trainers are all very different as most of the noise comes from their flywheel, or the tyre type used. Trainer specific tyres are said to be a little quieter.
Shane Miller - GPLama Thanks for such a quick reply. Already use a specific trainer tire, just wasnât sure if you might have a suggestion to dampen the sound that much more. (Havenât made the investment in the direct drive.. yet? But if I do, Iâll follow your advice.) Cheers!
How often do you clean your casette on your Smart Trainer? Can that cause noise?
Good afternoon. Have you ever tried to use some kind of lubricant in order to try to reduce noise in the KICKR BELT POWER GRIP? I have this model from 2017 and it was always noisy.
Hello, its possible to reduce sound like this on a normal wheel freehub for outside ride for example? Nice video for little upgradeđ
Yes
Any tips for removing the freehub body? Mine is pretty stuck on there
Super!!!
Haha, when nap time becomes king.
Brilliant. Iâve got the kickr core. What was that plastic sleeve you used to slide the cassette onto? I have to do frequent cassette changes since my wife has an old 7 speed cassette bike. This would really optimise swapping the 7sp and 11sp cassettes.
Here's what you're after: czcams.com/video/dg7BQXKsF-o/video.html
@@gplama Ah thanks, the one I always throw away! To be fair, the last one was installed in a shop so I never saw it and the 7sp doesn't need it as it's pretty much one piece.
Why just not switch power cord off? I have never used it on my Tacx Neo and there was no issues with freehub (and freewheeling while coasting downhill) so far... Great video anyway!
The Neo with no power is a different experience. It feels dead, to be honest, if it cuts out as soon as you stop pedalling.
Any tips on making my LeMond Revolution any quieter? ;)
Headphones! đ§đ€Ł
Ben Nothling noise cancelling headphones for all
Headphones for the wife, babies, cats and surrounding suburb might get expensive! Might be better off putting the money towards the Wahoo bike!
Can a (WPL absolute bike grease) work to make it silent?
Nah Shane. My Neo creaks at the hinges/case like many others.
Iâm pretty sure thereâs a @Shane Miller video covering that very issue.
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@@LeeMcGinley Cheers Lee, and Shane!
Awesome video as always. Quick question: H3 has been very quiet for me, but it gets noticeably louder when the slope is above 8-10%. Does this happen in your unit as well? Anything that can be done about this? Thanks a lot!
I can't say I've noticed.. by the time I'm hitting those gradients the fans are on 100% and the music is at 110%! :) Maybe ping Saris with a video of this occurring.
@@gplama If you haven't noticed definitely you don't have it. I'll contact them. Thanks for the answer!
How does this work with the Elite Direto?
does it work on tacx neo(first generation)?
Guessing this can be applied to the h1 and h2 right? Also would a park tool high performance grease do?
Yep. And yep.
Quick question, sorry if itâs a dumb one. Whatâs the plastic cassette alignment doohickey and where would I get one from? All the ones Iâve seen are just smooth and circular.
They used to come with new Shimano cassettes. I can't recall which ones (or how long ago). I kept them for this purpose.
Shane Miller - GPLama Thank you đ
Also works on Elite Direto XR?
Sure