TUNNEL TENT -A LIST-1p| Abisko1 v Akto v Scarp 1 v Starlight1| Detailed comparison review
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The best tents 1 person Backpacking tents in class .
The Fjallraven Abisko Lite 1 vs Hilleberg Akto vs Tarptent Scarp 1 vs Robens Starlight 1.
I look at multiple factors and relate owner opinions.
Intro
How I scored 2:26
Pack size and weight 3:24
Pitching 8:19
Outside features and materials 14:25
Inside 19:05
Ventilation 31:02
Versatility 35:00
Final scores and summary 39:00
Manufacturers links and detailed reviews:
Fjallraven Abisko Lite 1:
www.fjallraven.com/uk/en-gb/b...
Review:
• FJALLRAVEN Abisko Lite...
In strong wind:
• #14 Fjallraven Abisko ...
Hilleberg Akto
hilleberg.com/eng/tent/red-la...
Long term review
• Hilleberg Akto 3 Years On
Akto strong wind
• Strongest One Person T...
Tarptent scarp 1
www.tarptent.com/product/scar...
Long term review
• SCARP 1 - What Tent do...
Scarp strong wind
• Strong winds in the Ta...
Robens Starlite 1
www.robens.de/en-gb/shop/outd...
Review
• #197 Robens Starlight ...
In strong winds
• Rainy Camp - Robens St...
Hi Dave, great choice of tents for this review. If I was picking 4 to do a review on it would be exactly the same. You have put a big amount of time and effort into this and the video is a great reference for anyone considering a single hoop tent. Very well explained and thought out comparison. Great to see interior volume demonstrated by the space that you had in the tent... really well done a big and super effort... ATB Tom
Thanks Tom! Next level up would be to get your back ground scenery and graphics. But the 3,000 dollar question is did you agree with the scores?
@@Fellmandave1 mmm... I haven't had my hands on any of these tents apart from the Akto so hard to say. From my experience my observations would be... Dont like the 20d Fly fabric on the Abisko for 4 season use. The Robens has very poor internal space and poor fabric tension on the fly due to the design, but great value. The Akto is a proven and very well tested 4 season shelter that is super durable and will last the test of time and will hold its price very well but expensive to buy in the first instance. The Tarp Scarp 1 looks really good is well designed, has great interior volume and the option of adding extra poles in harsh conditions. So between the Akto and Scarp 1 is a hard one. Sticking with what I have experience of its the Akto but I am always open to changing my opinion and if I got my hands on the scarp and it had good construction and build quality then I may change my mind. ATB Tom
@@TOMHEANEY100 tactful, insightful and intelligent answer as always Tom.
@@TOMHEANEY100But surely you would not prefer the Akto over Abisko for summer use, as the Akto lacks badly on ventilation? I am sorry to but I have to say, I stopped watching your videos as they are always biased to Hilleberg products. Of course they are built to withstand the apocalypse, but should sometimes take into consideration the fair weather backpackers also..
@@JonesJoni hey thank you for giving me a chance to defend myself.. Firstly here I totally change my opinion due to further experiences with other tents.. You are right and in this comparison I would put the Scarp first, Abisko second and the Akto third for the majority of users.. I have rated Hilleberg so highly in the past and still do due to my personal experience. Not from sponsorship or any other reason but in that they have served me so well... A tent is first and foremost a shelter and a 4 season shelter needs to be able to protect in typical 4 season conditions. If something serves you well then it's hard not to be biased. I have also handled around 20 Hilleberg tents and not a single problem regarding stitching or build quality. I bought one Fjallraven tent and had a fabric issue and poor customer service so this doesn't do very well regarding my experience. I have also rated this Abisko Lite 2 very highly on my channel giving other brands a chance with 3 tests on this particular tent. Recently I tested and bought the scarp 1 ultra again giving another brand other than Hilleberg an opportunity. I rate the Scarp 1 Ultra higher than both the Hilleberg Akto and Soulo.. So always open to other peoples opinions, experience and thoughts and changing mine if needed. best wishes Tom
A great, thorough review, thank you.
Also really appreciated how you kept the physical order of the tents consistent throughout, even when doing the tabletop part - a lovely touch!
most kind !
Superb video! You’ve put a lot of time and effort into this, thank you.
Thanks Andrew. That's appreciated.
Nice review. Thank you for sharing. You have a wonderful day, and looking forward to seeing you again soon.
Great comparison video. I've got the Abisko been great so far.
An absolute class tent Andrew. Would love to try one in a cold blow. Cheers bud.
Fantastic review. The "drink test" was a great idea. I have been trying to decide between the Abisko 1 or the Scarp 1 for a while. Thank you
Glad to be of help Luis. Which is your final decision?
Excellent comparison video. Have been researching a new tent and had been leaning toward the Scarp. You are helping me make a decision. Really like your functional "drink test," makes sense. Also since I'm in Idaho should be easier to get ordered and shipped versus some of the European tents I've been looking at. Happy trails to you and all your followers.
You are most welcome Mark. Happy trails to you too!
Great video, very thorough. I ordered a Scarp 1 on Sunday, got the new for 2022 version which has addressed a couple of the niggles people had with the tent. Really looking forward to it arriving!
What! You mean mine is out of date..... what's new Ryan, do tell.
How you finding it?
Great reviews, thanks so much
I’ve been looking forward to this 👍
Hope you enjoyed it!
@@Fellmandave1 yes thank you, it helped me make up my mind 👍
Nice review. I m an Akto owner and I have 2 more Hilleberg tents. I have test a lot of tents and for extreme conditions I dont trust any other tent except Hilleberg. I did 3 days snow camping with my Akto and it was fantastic. Yes it is not perfect tent but I test it in tough condition and it survived. And the most important, I survived too in my shelter...
Hi Nasos. That snow camp sounds excellent. We are just not getting any here in the UK. Frustrating! Yes I agree, no perfect tents, just ones that work with the conditions and your needs at the time and it sounds like the Akto was perfect at that time.
Hi Dave, excellent video. Thanks taking the time to do it. One minor detail you missed is that the door on the Fjallraven has a feature so that it can be locked half open from the bottom thus improving air flow if necessary. Trekkit have done a good review showing it in action.
Hi. Thanks for that. I guess on many tents there are hidden features that appear with use.
Firstly thanks for the vision in doing this. This single pole design is popular amongst serious hill climbers and the choice of tents compared on features are all of the leading models. And as matter of service to the hiking community you have thought about the relevant features and ranked the tents. Community service.🙂🙂
No Problem! Enjoyed doing it.
Just ordered the Fjallraven. Great video!!
Hope you enjoy it! Excellent tent Hedley.
Nice detailed review that!
Cheers!
I went out to get the Starlight 2 now when I saw it on sale, it's a brilliant tent. It's so fast to put up, and the newer versions with the pole sleeve on top makes it spacious inside (inner height 100 cm!).
Yes, it's definately heavy for it's size, you can't argue that, but the value for money and the specs for wind resistance are just too impressive!
Totally agree!
Agreed , I love my abisko , always fancied the scarp but hopefully the abisko will last for Donkeys 😁 great comparison .
The abisko is lovely. Bit more space and it would be my favourite. Cheers
Cracking video Dave, thanks for such a thorough and enlightening review. I currently have the Abisko 1 and totally agree with your comments on the build quality, I also have the starlight two for those early winter nights where I want a bit of extra room for the evening. The Scarp 1 looks excellent and was on top of my initial list but was always out of stock when I purchased the other two tents. Still would love to trade my starlight 2 for the scarp 1 (essentially for the weight, ventilation and sturdiness) although I think it’s just another excuse for me to buy a new tent.🤣 Brilliant stuff and keep up the good work. Subscribed, atb Michael.
I love it when I am new tent catalyst. Whatever you do, dont look at the kuiu storm star videos. That's the boy!
Oh no. How am I going to justify getting them both now.😉🤣🤣
Agree with the comments on the Abisko mate, nice one. Si
Thanks Simon!
Hi.
Old review now, I know. But only last weekend, I was out up on the highest point of the Mendip Hills, in Storm Gerrit in my Starlight 1, and it never budged an inch.
The winds, we recorded, we’re over 50 mph gusts.
My mate was in his Hillaberg souls, which he had to retighten a couple of times, even using Delta pegs. Admittedly, I used beefed up pegs with my starlight, as the ones supplied can cut your fingers, taking out of hard ground.
Imho, the Starlight is up there with the more expensive tents.
All the best.👍🏾🇬🇧💨
I started my journey with the Starlight 1. I found it to be a superb startup tent! It is sturdy and easy on the wallet. Performance and stats are very high for the price. But, yes, it's a bit cramped. Vestibule is narrow and inner comes a bit close to your nose.
I moved on with both tarptents and Hilleberg Akto, and are very pleased.
But! Value for money on a startup tent is just great with the starlight1.
Very good video, great job!👍
Thanks so much for the contribution per Berg.
Thanks. Great review. Of course everybody has different priorities. Somebody 5ft6in on a tight budget will go for the cheap, small and heavy version. Somebody who does lots of summit-camping in winter will go for the Akto despite the price. Due to my height, I’m with you on the Scarp. What puts me off is the import. So many people in the UK use it. It baffles me that there isn’t a distributor.
Thanks Hendrik,
sounds like an opportunity for someone!
Really great review
Thanks Jonathan!
Used to have the Robens starlight one, sold it to a buddy just getting into camping. Its a very good little tent in my book. Good ventilation, sturdy and easy to set up.
I can add the model starlight I had had a better pitch due to different design on the pole, it goes trough a sleeve at the top for more even distribution.
@@ThePreparedNorseman all updated now I see , new robens range.
@@Fellmandave1 it’s a few years since I bought mine, but I just went to check and they make a new model called the chaser. Looks like great value.
Fantastic Dave. All great tents in their own rights. I've had the scarp 1 and it was amazing. I just needed more space so I've now got the scarp 2 which, although not quite as strong is better for my needs. I've also had a storm star 2p which I've moved on and that, without question was the strongest and most capable but at 2.66kg also quite a bit heavier. I'd be ready interested to see the storm star Vs allak in adverse weather. I'd suggest the £588 price tag of the storm star would look stunning value next to the allak and it's purchase price. I'll keep watching for that video 😂
Was totally swung between the scarp 1 and 2. Glad I did what I did. Totally shocked you sold the stormy though! Cheers
@@Fellmandave1 yea I loved both the scarp 1 and particularly the storm star. I just couldn't afford to have them sat around and in reality I needed somewhere between the two......hence the scarp 2 😊
Nice work. Enjoyed it. Having the Enan in this mix would have been interesting.
A great tent, but I tried to keep to a design style. Thanks for the comment. ATB
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great video, good looking tents and interesting comparison. ofc im rooting for the swedish ones ;) also own a Fjällräven Abisko 1 ;)
I think too it's the best balance of quality. Just not big enough for me plus dog. Thanks for the comment.
It's a superb tent Rickard. Thanks for stopping by. Dave
Deserves a like and subscribe for the sheer effort put into making this video, many thanks Dave 👍🏻
Scarp 1 is next on my try list. Pack size looks a pain though 🤦🏼♂️.
I'm gaining a small collection which will need to be thinned out but hopefully the caliber of tents I'm collecting hold their value while I make my mind up 😬🤔😆
Interesting the Robens is so heavy, even for polyester. I guess it's not silpoly, hence lower price, and yunan poles not as light as others.
I'm disappointed more manufacturers aren't using silpoly. Sag really bugs me on nylon. The stretch and relaxation and accidental over tensioning has damaged taped seams on my F10 Nitro, although it's 10 years old so can't complain too much.
The Tent Lab Moonlight 2 is worth a look but out of stock. I think it's the best 3 season tent I've seen online but its very flat roof rules it out as a winter tent.
Hi Adam , thanks for your perspective and comments. It did take quite lot of planning, plus its not as easy as it looks splurging it all out. i would say a month in the planning and searching, then around 10 hours to execute start to finish.
I need to let at least one or maybe two tents go too but I keep holding back. It would be like selling your kids.
I will have a look at the moonlight, sounds interesting.
great and very in-depth study Dave, it gives people a good base to compare the strengths and weaknesses. The choice obviously comes down to each specific person's preferences. For me, the Robens at a fraction of purchase price is a winner BUT I understand not everyone's cup of tea. The newer versions have a lot of strong changes, a good base tent to modify. Still as you say the lack of zip to access and adjust outside vent is infuriating. Keep up the good work.
Cheers David. Lost a bit of CZcams momentum just now with work life taking over, so thanks for the encouragement.
@@Fellmandave1 whatever puts a smile on your face and peace in your head. Putting up and sleeping in a any tent (regardless of badge) has to be one of the strongest options to clear the head and keep the balance
Great work Dave hope everyone recognises your detailed videos and level of informativeness in things that really matter. Subscribe!!
Aye Josh ,I hope so too. Which one would you buy?
I'm going to comment only because I find it intersting how differently I come to the plusses and minuses of tents compared to you. FIrstly, I am not a hiker much, but a long distance cyclist, and that changes so many details. Over the last 14 yeas I've bought more tents and hammocks than my wife has bought shoes : with about nine big agness tents (rubbish every last one of them) two british made tents that I've forgotten the names of, two Henry Shire's tarps tents and three Hillibergs. On top of my list of criteria is color. I was once forced to camp under a sign that stated the fine for camping was $5000 USD on the outer banks in North Carolina. In my silver tarptent on a full moon night. The only more conspicuous beacon would be if the tent blinked on and off. That silver is horrible for stealth and bikers often have no recourse but camping behind slightly hidden structure. So a dark color is high on my list. Quality. On that same trip to Florida, my rainbow 1 was completely ripped and destroyed by the wind a few days later - and the wind gusts were no more than about 40 miles per hour. Trip cancelled. I also have a Cloudburst three (made by tarptent) and like it, but the bottom can't be put to the ground completely and so it is pretty bad with blowing sand, where camping on the beach is about 5% of my time camping. I do find that the cloudburst is really nice weight wise compared to my similar Hilleberg Nam,matj 3 .. which is twice the weight and the Tarptent is even better in our hot, hot humid climate. I am not however a fan of those yellow lines, though he is changing some tents to crossgrain now. Lastly, I've talked to Henry, the owner of Tarptent, twice now. It's great to be able to reach a human being, but he is quite surly as if he resents talking to you. Talking to the people at Hilleberg on the other hand has so far been a joy. They even sent me free stuff to try out my ideas of pegging out my Enan better. But both companies are great in that there are humans one can speak to. A rare thing nowadays. I've got three hilleberg tents and smile every time I use them, so says my wife. I love the details like the zipper flaps. Now in two weeks I'm going to do the southern end of the AT trail after a long layoff from hiking and I've found that the ultra light that I so distained as a cycylist is quite a thing. I had a 3 day hike with 31 pounds ... and it kicked my butt. So my next ten is on it's way this week, the tarptent protrail. Horses for courses they say ... and hiking is different than cycling. I really appreciate your review. :)
Well I appreciate your comment! Some great adventure tales in there. Inspiring stuff, enjoy your next trip and a pat on the back for your wife for letting you out again. I hope she enjoys her new shoes!
I had an Akto for years. I then moved to Scarp 1. The Scarp was more stable in high winds due to end poles. The two porches and extra room make it much the better tent. Never had condensation. I put silicone strips along the floor to stop sleep mat moving. The Akto s ends are very hard to get tensioned on on uneven ground.
There's a great endorsement to my findings, thank you!
You make my Akto sad.
Just bought a scarp1 so glad to hear. 👍
That was brilliant dave. You put so much effort in. I really enjoyed the comparison. I think TT were doing factory seam sealing for a modest extra cost at some point? Would you have considered putting the terra nova laser into the comparison mix if you could? Atb gordon
Hi Gordon, yes that would be a worthy addition, but the single pole at the end I feel is a slightly diffent design and gets more into the ultralight 3 season category. Would you agree?
@@Fellmandave1 yes good point. The compact is definitely a different weight class but the all season laser would be comparable to these in performance and weight. However the lack of box end would constrain the inner space even further than you found comparing the abisko and scarp. Gordon
great compare video. And i also agree (scarp1 user).
Thanks Raymond!
I’m a happy “Scarpist” too! 👍😃 Great job with the comparison… 👌
Personally, I'd rule out the Starlight immediately. Cost no object the Hilleberg but the Scarp is definitely a contender.
Cracking video Dave, very informative. I have the Enan which is a better ventilated tent than the akto. Shame you didn't have one of those to compare and review. New sub here, Atb Paul 👍
Hi Paul, welcome and thanks for the sub! There are so many tents that would have been great to have on this review. In the end I'm just a guy asking favours from friends. Would most like to do the Kuiu storm star Vs Allak....in a gale!
Very informative thank you
Cheers buddy.
Excellent line-up! I only wish I could get the Hilleberg Akto in Fjällräven's "Pine Green" colour.
Yes that would be better, but on balance I much prefer hillebergs sand colour compared to fjallravens rather insipid one.
Yup, all great tents, but sticking with my Akto... great comparison
Good job, pretty nice and informative comparision. Just own the Akto but also know the Abisko - which is a little bit cheaper copy of the Akto, but still on the pricy side - and the Tarptent. But the Starlite looks pretty cheap and unstable and weighing a ton for what it is. Nonetheless: 👍 ATB Hal
A great review, i would of added the terra nova laser all season and the nordisk telemark 1 to the mix
Thanks Shawn. I would not put the laser in there as single pole at the end. All if the others are 4 season for sure with the robens edging in because of its heavy materials. But would you put the ttelemark in as a 4 season? After all from what I have seen its flappier than a pigeon chasing a freshly discarded Kentucky!
I was in Scandanavia once and one day a telemark was pitched next to my akto and a bit later half of it had blown away, so it was even more lightweight and minimalist. Akto was fine.
I have the starlight 2 and I am looking forward for taking it out. I used to use an OEX Phoxx 1 and that was VERY small. I fit inside, all 5"6 of me. So for me the smaller tent is not really an issue. The 2 man version of the Starlight is only 250g heavier so it seemed like a no brainer for me. I got it for it's robustness at the price of 130.00 GBP. A Hilliberg might be better for for a 10th of the Price you can't go wrong!
yes Thomas, i have always liked Robens stuff.the new chaser looks good, especially if they bring out a 4 season inner for it.
Nice test, shame some other 1 person single hoop designs did not feature, obviously you have to source them, the abisko vents are ace as you can do them from inside, was trying to get one but none in stock, trying the Vango helium ul 1 for the next few camps, can sell it if it falls short.
Will check some of your vids out as this was very well thought out.
Hi Dave, great video, Its Mick, the owner of said Akto, rest assured I did not pay full price for it 😉😂
Hi Mick! Thanks again for the loaner. Agree with the comments?
@@Fellmandave1 Hi Dave, they are all fair comments and it has other slight niggles if I am being honest but on balance it ticks the boxes for my requirements. Like most gear it's all down to your research, requirements and budget. I also have a Vango F10 Helium which I use and is great in milder conditions.
@@micksanders3020 I could imagine the atko is superb in dryish cold windy conditions. Maybe we will get to go on one this winter.
Interesting, cheers.
Got the Scarp 1. My only complaint is that the pole sleeve is very tight and it's not as quick and easy to thread as on Nordisk and Terra Nova single pole tents. Otherwise I really like it.
Brilliant that you have commented on my channel. You are one of my favourite channels. Great stuff you do!
@@Fellmandave1 Cheers Dave!
Akto owner here, thought you gave a very fair comparison video there overall, with the akto id like to see the whole thing 10cm higher and more venting options inside, its a good tent, very strong for sure but it needs an update imo. the robens looked a bit sorry for itself at the end there. suprrised how narrow the absiko was, that would put me off completely, the scarp looked really good i thought.
I gulped a bit first Martin when I read that first line. glad you agree. I think the atko would be amazing in a cold blow, but as you say, 5 cm more height and some greater venting would make it massively more versatile. Thanks for your comment!
@@Fellmandave1 haha no you should say what you think , i own 4 hillies and think they need all updating really, always say what you think there are plenty of others thinking the same thing. you did this really well.
Yes a little more height, especially around the head end when lying down would be great.
My 1992 version is kerlon 15 material, bit thicker and I use a 10mm pole ( Nammatj size )
I put a large mossie panel in the entrance of inner with zip on the material to control its size, gives better ventilation options and views when lying down. Cut out some Tyvek for a footprint, covering the porch and an extended square end - flap which can be rolled back at night / bad weather - this means I can sit / lie on my sleeping mat angled out of the tent to cook, relax in the open, read etc Got a Keb 2 from 1982 still going strong too. ATB
Looked at those although, not the Robens. Owned an akto for about 12 years, and crossed Europe several times using it, been up mount Etna, and many summit camps. In the end I got a bit fed up with its low head height and how flappy it is in strong winds ( that I've seen destroy lesser tents like telemark ). I even managed to tear the farbric a bit on one long trip. I think the three good tents there are great choices, but the real test is what time and weather does to them and the freedom to camp in any location and not be worried it might not be up to it. I do think a tent needs to be 100 cm in height for a liveable space if you're doing longer journeys. I had thought about a Scarp 2 but then they discontinued it, so went for a Southern Cross 2.
Sounds like some great adventures! The Southern Cross was always on my shortlist too, but was never sure about the ventilation- how hve you found it? Bit pricey I thought too. Thanks for adding your experiences. Cheers
I used an Akto from April to early September for 2 years.
With two sleeping mats under me, my head brushed the top of the tent, and I am short.
The amount of space, including the vestibule, was adequate.
This was in north-central Washington state, USA. The coldest was 22 degrees F. (-5.5 Celsius) outside; but 40 degrees F. (4.4 Celsius) inside. I was concerned about ventilation, but I wasn’t going to open any vent.
No wind in my area so I cant report on that.
After 2 years the tent fabric, the shell, was completely rotten. It tore at the slightest excuse. I started looking for another tent. The Akto is a good tent, but on the pricey side.
Strange how it rotted. How many nights use? Was it left exposed for prolonged periods.
@@Fellmandave1 The tent was in continuous use from April to early September, almost 5 months each year. This area is the high desert, and it has little rain. In one place, for a couple of months, I had a bit of shade from the trees, but mostly the tent was in direct sun.
@@nealgrey6485 quite a test!
What a good review! Exhaustive but interesting. The Robens I would not want at any price but each of the others looked plenty good enough. The Hilleberg fabric needs a mention. It flaps. Even on the Soulo. It really flaps. Also, it sags in damp conditions. I’ve had two Aktos. An early one without the hood over the door and a Mk2. The fly on the second one once drooped on to the inner, it sagged so much. Going round the pegs to tighten things up last thing before bed became a ritual with that tent. The biggest problem is UV damage. I replaced the first one because of it and then pushed the second long beyond the point at which I should have retired it. It failed catastrophically! The end came right off. Perhaps the sand-coloured Akto would last longer. I guess the Scarp’s colour would be a big advantage for anyone using the tent a lot in sunny conditions. I got a lot of use out of my Aktos before they pegged out, just in case anyone’s concerned after a recent purchase.
Did you mean exhausting but interesting!?? I have heard that the flappy hilliberg is a thing, but I guess as all silnylon tents stretch when wet. Sounds like you got some great use and adventures from your tents. Thanks for adding your experiences. ATB
sun damage? do you leave it out all day? i usually sleep in mine and pack it up when the sun comes out lol. only joking but how much time did u spend in it for it to die by sun? ive done countless 2 week or longer backpacking trips with mine over the years. i even lived in mine for backcountry trails for 6 months in klamath forest. and the only wear on mine i see on mine that wasnt self inflicted like patched burn holes and bent poles from standing on them at night setup. is the inner tent where i go in and out is saggy and pilling a lil from going in and out and sitting on the tub edge so much.
Good video lots of information which is always helpful. The Starlight is an older version though the newer version is much better. Also a better comparison would have been with a Starlight 2 which is more or less keeping in size with the others in the video. I've got the newer design Starlight 2 and it's definitely a one man and his dog tent. I'm 6'3 and around 16st and I find it absolutely fine size wise. Starlight 2 definitely isn't a 2 man tent though like Robens sell it as.
Yes totally agree about the starlight 2, but to be fair, all the others bill them as 1p so it is comparing like for like. There is a scarp 2 for instance. Finally I could only get hold of a 1p via a friend of a friend! Cheers Barratt and thanks for adding. Happy camping.
@@Fellmandave1 yeah it's definitely difficult to review when you're reliant on borrowing from friends etc. It's good when people can review though it helps people massively when deciding what tent to get. I'm very interested in the Scarp 1 I must admit. Listened to a few reviews on here and it looks an amazing tent. I've got the Starlight 2 and a Snugpak Stratosphere at the moment. Was looking at an Ionosphere but they're impossible to find lately so was considering a Jack Wolfskin Gossamer 1 instead. Towards the end of 2022 I'll likely get a Scarp 1 and head north for some winter camping (hopefully with snow). Keep up the good work on here anyway 👍
@@ukbarretta Thanks Barratt. That's encouraging.
Looks like the Abisko can have either mesh door closed or mesh+solid. The scarp solid inner doesn’t have both just solid at bottom and mesh at top, correct? Would seem Abisko would do better summer temps
There is the potential to ventilate the scarp a little more and you can have a totally mesh inner. So with that the scarp would be way better. Not sure if you can get a mesh inner for the abisko. Both great tents!
Hi. Sorry if this is cheeky. I’m walking the uk coast next year and have chosen the scarp tent. What advice I would like from you is if the scarp 1 is big enough to get me and a 100 ltr army rucksack in the tent or vestibule. Thank you
Definitely! Enjoy your walk.
Hi, great video.
Maybe it would be comparing apples with oranges but what would be your opinion on the F10 Helium UL1 in comparison with the 4 tents in this video?
Maybe someone could pass on any experience with an F10,
Cheers.
Yes, let's hope so, because I have no experience of that f10
I have owned two helium ul2…
They are a nice easy tent to use. The porch side lifts quite high from the ground which I believe helped with ventilation. The two end vents coils make the tent feel a bit airy on a cold windy night.
My first on I felt the zips on the inner were it’s weakness, the second one I just got fed up with the inner TBS ( tension band system ), just found it annoying.
The end poles were lighter than other similar tents I had used but one single piece as opposed to say a Vango Nevis where the end poles came in two sections, helping to packs down smaller.
The plus side of tent was splitting inner and outer and using two separate dry bags, this way it took up very little space in the pack. The lighter silnylon outer does flap about a bit in the wind and I believe the HH is 3000…
Hope this helps 👍
Great video Dave but disagree with the ventilation score for the Robens ,those huge vents on top make a huge difference . Also the Starlight is wind tested to around 100mph so it's stability would rival all the others .
Great feedback. Thanks. Do you have the starlight 1 or 2 and how have you found it?
@@Fellmandave1 Sold it on as I use lighter mid type tents which suit my needs now . Only used it 4 times but it was solid in strong wind and had no condensation but just too heavy and not enough room for the weight .
I own an aktos and will vouch for its weather durability, however condensation is an issue.....
Thanks Daniel, you and many other owners are reporting this. Thanks for taking the time to comment.
Did you consider the Helsport Rigstind 1 as well for this?
Very cool tent but not the same design type would you say?
I hear the distant thrum of approaching Hilleberg owners, take cover! Through this whole video, I knew the Scarp was shaping up to be the winner, what a piece of equipment. I've gone for the Luxe Hexpeak v4a personally, but I can definitely see myself saving and going for a Scarp in the future. One question though, whilst the Hilleberg & Fjallraven have quite dense colours, the Scarp is very light and airy. From experience, this sort of colour can make it difficult to sleep in brighter conditions / cause a bit of a headache. What's your experience with this? Is the material dense enough that the light doesn't come through?
Hi Scott, there are two thumbs down already,from I guess, Petra and friends. I think the colour was exaggerated on this video as the scarp was in sun and the others in shade. I used the scarp for a few nights this summer and didn't find it a problem. That would be individual preference on light penetration but it's a good point. Very popular in both other models is the sand. With the hilleberg bright yellow interior and bright sun. I imagine that's like being asleep in an amber traffic light. One I very much avoid is a red tent with pale inner though.
@@Fellmandave1 Oh dear, haha! For folk with so much security in life (money) you'd expect that they'd be a tad more civilised, obviously not ;)
Fair enough, I understand. A friend is looking at buying the Zastrugi Vaquita, which is exactly as you described; red with the Hilleberg yellow inner. :o It's definitely a striking colour though so good for finding in the snow (though these conditions would exacerbate the reflected light.
Thank you. But the scarp 1 is so difficult to obtain it seems, unless I'm going about it all wrong. (I have signed up etc ). Let us know if ever you sell yours:)
Not likely! Keep on the mailing list and act fast!
I bought an Abisko lite 1 second hand.
The guys have been modded like the Akto’s just like the one in this vid.
The vent on the door also won’t open properly like the one in this vid.
In short, I’m really starting to think my tent is the one in your video!
hahaha, its famous!
@@Fellmandave1 it’s definitely mine. I checked my e mail and the guy was called Andy. I also recognise the small bit of abrasion on the mesh inner that I fixed with tenacious tape!
good job
Hi Dave, I enjoyed your review but I think you did the Starlight 1 an injustice. Of all your categories, it should have won value for money! Also, your drink test is a good idea but what about a wee test?
get your point for the Starlite, it is good value for money, but when all things are considered? Plus thanks for the wee test suggestion, but I think that comes down to personal hosemanship rather than tent features.😬
Abisko 1 is so great
You should have a look at the Zastrugi Vaquita tent or even some of the Terra Nova tents.
Does any of these tents fit a xl mat (197 x 65 cm)? Nobody is paying attention to the tall guys like me... sadly...
That's really tall! Have a look at the nortent vern 1. They are long. Otherwise all of these tents have the dimensions on the manufacturers site. Otherwise its a light two man and sleep diagonal!
Overall a good review, pity you didn't set up the Starlight correctly as it did look sorry for itself as you ran out of room being to close to the fence. A huge difference in the price and up to a point you get what you pay for, however I have come across a number of campers/wild campers that are "Make Snobish" oh well takes all sorts. I do have several tents and the one that I've used the most is my OEX Phoxx 1approx 4 years old. Cheap as Chips still in full working order no leaks, zips all still functional. Before lockdown I was wildcampng near The Old Man of Coniston the wind was picking up so tried to find an area out the wind. Set up camp and and a fellow camper set up nearish me in his Hilleberg. We chated as you do and then turned in. However the wind changed and both our tents were in a washing machine all night with driving rain. In the morning it cleared to lovely sunshine and both tents handled the weather well.
Fair point on the Robens, but I think it was the PU that kept the creases so looked a bit unshaven.
Your night on the old man sounded fun!
Thanks for the constructive feedback and stopping by! ATB Dave.
Thats the sort of line up we all dream of before having to just choose one ! Endless youtube..maybe a couple of brief shop visits...scouring websites. Nothing is quite the same as seeing them side by side. Can we nominate other sets for you to scour friends for ? :-D (TN Southern Cross 1, MSR Access 1, Wild Country Helm 1 and a Hilleberg Soulo if you needed ideas ....)
What I really want Dean is the Allak up by the side of my Kuiu storm star.
Who lead way with design as all very similar ?
Well, I guess you need to decide yourself. If I was buying again with no cost limit I would get a fjallraven abisko lite 2
When I pack my Scarp, it's half the size of your pack, I never use the cross poles, and I've used in storms without.
Yes, long isn't it! But you must be using a 50l eh?
@@Fellmandave1 How about a hurricane last year on Carn Derg above Rannoch, thought it was flying away.
Great reviews,personally the weight difference in 2 man versions is negligible and you are basically getting a bigger one man tent.
Cheers Cap, look our a 2 man tunnel comparison coming in a few weeks.
That was awesome 👍
What's your experience. Been like with contacting Tarp tent ??? I have emailed them a few times on their contact page and not had any replies at all !
Hi Olan. I found them pretty good. I would try a direct email address. Thanks for the feedback.
Great comparison. 👍🏻.
However. I do feel your scoring was a little off. In the first section you scored tents out of 4 for pack size and weight etc. you scored some 1,1,1,2. But then scored them 1,1,3,4. Surely it should be 1,1,2,3. Or in the first part 1,1,1,4? Is this giving the scarp an advantage? 😂
Great vid though buddy. Keep it up.
Yeah looking back it was mostly fair with a sprinkling of scarp bias. The pack size was based on own repacks. Thanks for commenting.
Just acquired an Abisko 1 for £419 :)
Result!
Don't know if anybody here has the Abisko 1 lite. It looks like it has been designed for 55cm (20") width mats. That's on both sides but it's wider in the center. Does anybody know if it would fit a 64cm (25") inflatable mat? definitely not if pushed to one of the sides but probably if positioned in the middle?
I asked friends who have done exactly this combination. They said they would not recommend it as the pad curls up the side and flattens the bathtub.
@@Fellmandave1 Perfect, thank you so much for the fast answer
No problem, sorry about the typos, now corrected!
Hi.
Great thought out review.
How tall are you,as I quite like the Roben.
I’m 5’8” and was wandering about the height sat down in there.
Regards
Hi and thank you. Am am 6'1"
When ranking the tents if there is a tie say 3all the same you should rate the 4th as 4 not a 2 false scores otherwise
Aye well, one tries you know.
Notice you changed to a 4 for last place at the end
It's quite hard doing these things you know. You should try it!
The difference in brands and tent design between the UK and US is strange haha. Can anyone explain why UK backpackers all use different tents than US backpackers?
Humidity, temperature, weather predictability. You will see Scandinavian campers using the same as the UK ones. Similar climate. We generally find the mesh too drafty.
triple siliconised nylon, both sides - really?.. that's the gag they usually play for the Hilleberg tents and they're not triple coated on both sides either.
Hi Sebastian. Can you put the links in to what you feel is the correct info. Thanks!
@@Fellmandave1 - please try a search for, "Fjällräven outer tents are made of a Ripstop nylon, which is coated on each side with four layers of silicon for durability and longevity"... very cleverly worded - is it a total of 4 or 8 ?
Oh and cost is penny wise and pound foolish in the game of life. I'll simply wait a few months or cut back on my 15 dollar lunches or 45 dollar diners a while, and get what I like. I don't like wearing hair shirts, which is what getting second best feels like. Rumor has it we only live twice, so treating one's self is a requisite. Besides, buy cheap - buy twice. :)
Great wisdom.
Sorry but only up to the price and the scrap should be 2 far more than the starlight all included . Scrap should have 4 for ready to go , basically incomplete and and not fit for purpose until you seam seal it .
Seems to be too often the American way. But I did have a Nordisk tent fail on groundsheet tape, so perhaps sealing it yourself may increase life?
Loved the video man. I'm pretty sure it isn't really debatable which tent would survive the most brutal conditions....absolutely the hilleberg. Their fabrics just are stronger. Not doubt about it. So are their poles. However, seriously who really needs that level of strength? Almost no one except those few in the Scottish highlands where it is windy as f**k. No one ever has done an artic expedition in a one man tent. I call bullshit. You need way more space for even just one man.
With those thing's said these similar tents with much lighter materials make so much more sense to me. I' buy an Alkto if the price was right but honestly don't think i'd ever wear out any of them. Here in Winnipeg Canada...know as the windiest city besides Chicago in North America it rarely ever hits 40 mph winds and its usually for 10 minutes once a year when a tornado lands somewhere lol. Any of these would die because of UV degredation long before wind destroys them. Which ever was lighest and cheapest would be the best for 99.9% of all outdoormen. Most of the world doesn't ever experience wind like the UK. You guys truly have some crazy winds.
Thanks for commenting, interesting local perspective. Have a look at my more recent 2 man tunnel tent one..
Not biased at all haha.
Actually not! It was a really warm day and it was baking in that Akto.
Not sure what you mean about the heat. I have owned two scarps and the quality control on them is awful; I’d be cautious recommending them to anyone and that alone. But it’s all opinion. Personally the Abisko is the winner for me across your metrics.
Lol are you saying akto?
Don't mock the afflicted!
So basically the scarp is the champion
I would say it's my preference but all are good tents with strengths. Thanks for commenting Rory.
Terra Nova innit..
Perhaps if you would care to elaborate?
You said Atko all the time 🤣. It’s Akto.
Ssh. Don't let it out that I am a dummy.
Don’t lengthen the guys lines you lose strength of the tent the closer the guys lines the better
Incorrect
@@Fellmandave1 really this is what the designer of the tents says Henry but i guess you know better
@Bikepacking no need to get all flappy! What I really mean is a shallower pull angle gives a higher outward lift, whereas a low angle pulls the tent fabric down, often in contact with the inner. It's a particular problem with the tarptent scarp 1 at the flysheet ends. It's why you see a lot of people rigging them up with trekking poles. I have found a long guy helps to eliminate that. If you send me the reference from Henry I will happily have a look. Cheers and thanks for commenting.
@@Fellmandave1 incorrect
@@Fellmandave1 czcams.com/video/-Dv7aQWsV8E/video.html
What is it with this 'footprint' business? I've been camping for nigh-on sixty years, a Scout for most of the pre-teen era - and our troop was one of the largest in the UK (60 strong + 30 odd Cubs and a dozen Ventures...), we camped almost every other month. I then camped every weekend during my final years at school, then numerous naval expeditions ('Expeds) including Ten Tors and Ive NEVER heard of a GROUNDSHEET being termed a 'footprint'... Is this an Americanism?
And the middle guy at 10:38 has been (crudely) CHAINSHORTENED.
I don't really like any of these.. I still prefer my old Ultimate Equipment 'Windsock' - Stolen several decades ago... But if I were buying seriously for new and not to budget -- At the present, the Nordtent Vern 1 (or 2) is the leading contender.
Yes it's an Americanism that's creapt in.
Lover hearing about the good old days. Scouts was where it all started for me. I had one or two ultimates, an Horizon C was one. But, things move on, things develop, and we all try and learn from the previous , or we get old, foisty, moany and stuck in the past. Know about like that?
A very interesting review. I wouldn't buy any of them.. I personally hate tunnel tents. They are too close to your face when lying down and are terrible when the wind changes. I personally use a Soulo I tend not to camp in summer and I mostly camp in the north of Scotland. Forty years of camping and i have one regret.. I never bought the Soulo when it first came out.
Brilliant Alan. Right tent in the right place I am sure. Here's to a great winter.
Most biased review I've come across. You had it in for the Akto before you even started.
Hello Hilleberg fan!
Scarp 1 760 pounds in Sweden 👎
Ouch, on the bright side there are some tents available in Sweden that are not available in the UK. Sydvang for example.
Very bias review I feel favouring the scrape 1 in quite a few cases ie pegs barring in mind you had to go out and buy pegs and ropes
Yes, quite possible, tents are emotion and I love my 'Scrape'.
Seems a bit pointless to make a video 'looking at which tent is right for you', when half of them are out of stock everywhere and have been for some time.......
Nothing is forever Sam. All we have is now. Things will change. I had to wait 6 months to get the Scarp. Plus I enjoyed making it.
just ordered a scarp 1 last night
@@crouisk RESULT!
@@crouisk Same :) It just got to the uk!
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Nice review mate . Lovely tents . But in truth for the price I think the vango banshee 200 gives them all a beating . Had my banshee out in all weathers and multiple hikes and not a problem. So for the money I’ll stick with the banshee
I did buy one and tried it. But found it too cramped. Love that type of vango tent though and have had a few over the years. Cheers.