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- Overly Sarcastic Productions Miscellaneous Myths Pandora Reaction
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"Pandora the one who unleashed the internet" that got a solid chuckle out of me
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Apollo: My boyfriend is a flower...
Hermes: That's rough, buddy.
(By the way, there is a plant called a Tassle Hyacinth but it isn't the same family as the hyacinth flower. Its bulb is considered a delicacy in Mediterranean cuisine. So if you're wondering why people purchase Hyacinth in the produce section, that's why.)
Zeus: "Oooh, pretty lady!"
Hoist by His Own Petard
Samhain - when that fae set fire to the roof - was celebrated on October 31st.
Wait, if you think about it, Finn in adventure time has 3 moms, His birth mom, His adopted mom (Jakes parents) , and arguably PB (trust me I know that's a VERY HUGE stretch cause Finn has a crush on her which could be take as Incest, but in a way you can point out a few cases of PB teaching Finn like a parent would, so please don't start jumping, i know Finn has 2 Moms off rip but looking for a third his very tough but i picked PB for her literally putting finn on the path of the hero with the Enchiridion)
"Beelzebub" was a kind of mistranslation of the the Sumerian(IIRC) deity Baal Zebul the "Great lord above all"
Which share the etymological ancestor "El" (Lord), with YVWH, and Alah. They're basically all three just expansions of "El" similar to the way Christians will write "The LORD" so you know they are talking about the Lord of Lords Himself, and not just some mortal lord. Human language is like that. It's funny how sometimes the harder we try to make our intentions clear, the more we confuse the issue. It can make you wonder if any of us really understand each other at all.
The funny thing is that the tale of Pandora tells you that hope is not a good thing, it is one of the males of humanity that was trapped in the box afterall, but that is not what most people get from the tale.
There are definitely a couple of games based on that concept though, which is pretty cool.
The Greeks were a bunch of jerks.
I mean, any relationship with a greek god tend to go horribly wrong, so everyone knows when to flee on sight
Beelzebub was originally a God named Baal (literally meaning lord). When the Christians came along they called him Beelzebub (lord of flies) and claimed he was actually a demon
Damned Christians. 😡
31:03 "Those were a bunch of words, I'm going to guess Nordic..."
The Kalevala, the National Epic of Finland, of which the story of the Magical wealth-making device, the Sampo, at least contributed to Tolkien's Mythology in addition to the Germanic Ring Cycle. To my knowledge, Red has not touched Finnish Mythology with a 10-foot Pole, so you'd have to look elsewhere for information. There's an old Soviet and Finnish film ("Sampo") that the US later dubbed ("The Day the Earth Froze") covering part of it, even had Mystery Science Theater 3000 do an episode devoted to the American Dub.
Tempest... Fin's story is literally the premise for the Tempest
4:00 you really need to watch her more in-depth analysis of particular gods, that's the exact sort of stuff she talks about
At current rate through the miscellaneous myths playlist he should get to it in 3 videos from now.
I think you misread "House" as "horse"
The downfall is that basically he had to give up his holdings as recompense for killing Cumhail, I suppose.
Edit: Well, getting Cumhail killed since it wasn't him who did it, but someone following his call
Zeus created a cunning trap which he then fell for himself for all of greek mythology. Your wise ruler of the gods people! 🙄
Considering you’re educated in writing and love talking about tropes so much already, it would be nice to see your reactions to OSP’s trope talks
Though, since you’ll probably have a lot to say, it may be more analysis than reaction (even more so than your other reacts)
Agreed
Some of Apollo's lovers took ghosting literally
Fun fact: Scp-4918 is inspired specifically by Red's video on Fion Mac Cumhaill.
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Well now. I need to go check that one out. 😁👍
Hey Arier, what you're describing with the varieties of Chinese and Gaelic is...basically just what every language ultimately experiences, eventually separating into dialects that eventually become their own distinct languages. That's what's happened with Chinese, which is made of several different languages, while with Gaelic they're still mostly mutually understandable and still about to just differences in pronunciation (aside from those grammar issues). In the case of Chinese, the writing system has stuck around through it all, but in the case of Gaelic, there's an agreed-upon Latin-letter spelling system that still has individual sounds pronounced differently between the dialects. Kind of the same way that an American, a Brit, and an Indian person would all pronounce the same English words in distinctly different ways, but be recognizable as the same word.
Apollo was once in love (in lust more like) with a mortal. When she eloped with a handsome Italian man, he turned said rival into the first vampire! Red hasn’t done a video on it, but I need her too!
Probably because it's lacking in primary sources and is not actually from the times unfortunately. At least as far as we can verify.
There is no lust only love .
Aphrodite the goddess of love teaches us what love is .
In ancient greece ,they saw love as a spectrum .
Eros
Ludus
Mania
Agape
Storge
Philia
Pragma
All these words means love ,but people nowadays only associate love with "good"
@@user-mk3zm6fe4s yeah, I learned about some of them in school. But I was using love in its modern English form
About Pandora: she was created as Zeus as a punishment towards the Men made by Prometheus, but there are some interpretations (like the one I'm familiar with) that makes Pandora more a story of warning against giving in to curiosity instead of her being evil. Sure, she was given the ability to be crafty abd intelligent, but she wasn't exactly interested in opening the JAR (which it was, not some huge chest); she was really more happy spending time with her husband, the equally carefree Epimetheus. It wasn't until Zeus decided to play on her natural curiosity and goad her into opening it; never really telling her that it's full of pure Pain and Strife. She even feels remorse for opening the jar and unleashing untold Horrors on humanity.
Also, you'd be surprised how often the "King Under the Mountain" trope is in myth. Even the Native tribes had some, with a mountain in the Appalachias being home to some Demon or sorts. Then again, I never really cared for that; Tsul Kalu and the Thunderbird were more interesting anyway.
As for the Adventure Tine parallels... I have no clue. I mean, it's clear that Pen Ward has some understanding of mythological obscure figures, like how the Lich is similar to Fer Doirich in image at least, or how the incarnation of Life is a woman with two intertwined snake heads. But I don't concretely know if Ward intended that or it just sorta happened. Finn could easily be Finnegan or Finnegas like in Irish cultures, or even Phineas which is Greek in origin. Could be a coincidence or Tzeentch levels of fourth-wall fuckery.
And yeah, Celtic Fae are assholes. Mostly, mostly assholes. Selkies and Hobs are cool.
The Fair Folk being dicks is just about the one thing you can rely upon, except you never know how exactly they'll be dicks, so it still doesn't help much.
Yeah, his tangent on the king under the mountain (KUtM) trope kinda bugged me. Like, is no one allowed to have their own converging ideas? Can every single KUtM only come from Norse mythology, instead of coming about on its own? I feel like Airier’s brain has been kinda overstimulated by the idea of myths sometimes carrying over and changing a bit from one culture to another, to the point that now he sees it everywhere and cannot fathom a world where this isn’t the case.
@jordinagel1184 Easy bro. I get the rage, but no need to get heated. I mean, not many mythology noobs tend to piece together that many tropes in mythology are recurring in disparate cultures, like Other Worlds, King Under the Mountain, or Hero's Journey. Just gotta guide them to that realization and hope they get the picture.
Although I do admit that it is really intriguing how cultures so far away from each other can have similar frameworks or tropes shared between each other. MY theory us that the human tribes that used to wander the old world 100,000s of years ago created all of these and carried them through oral myth; even over the Alaskan-Russian land bridge. It's only when we began creating civilizations back even before Mesopotamia was when we began writing them down. Which both us tremendously crazy to comprehend and sucks balls because we don't have shit to tell us about those primordial myths and legends. Just frustrating.
One account of Prometheus, Epimethius and the subsequent punishment of Prometheus and mankind I read was: The gods created all of the living things then tasked Epimethius with handing out gifts to them all. He gave horns, antlers, hooves, claws, talons, venom, scales, feathers, beaks and sharp teeth to the animals, but when he looked onto mankind, there were no gifts left. Prometheus not only gave man the secret of fire, but also gifted them with cunning and the knowledge of how to work metal. The punishment of Prometheus goes how we all know it, but there was a prophesy that one of the bloodline of Zeus would slay the eagle and break Prometheus' bonds(Heracles). The story of Pandora was the same, but there was an explanation of why hope was left in the vessel, because hope was something the ancient Greeks considered dangerous and was reserved for the gods. By today's standards the ancient Greeks were pessimistic, potentially borderline nihilistic.
Finnish epoch Kalevala is book that J.R.R Tolkien read before he wrote The Lord of the Rings. At that time, however he made his own version of story within Kalevala: Kullervo (Extremely unlucky man btw, be ready to feel bad for him). If you have read The Silmarillion, you are familiar with story beats in The Children of Húrin.
I have not noticed that OSP has yet touched to Finnish or Sámi stories.
6:54 To be fair, Hyacinthus is the "main villain" in the Apollo Familia war arc in Danmachi and is the one who repeatedly beats the absolute shit out of Bell.
Aireir, it's quite easy to tell english and irish apart, THEIR TWO DIFFERENT LANGUAGES, YA EEJIT!!
10:10 yes, but there is also a lot of people dedicated to coroborate and correct the page in case that happens, if i'm not wrong it even warns you if the page you are looking at hasn't being coroborated
The Irish language is in a constant state of rebellion against the English alphabet
Beelzebub is based on the Phoenician god Ba'al, which originally meant 'Lord', and his name had 'zebub' added on to mean "Lord of the Flies" as an insult coined by those who didn't follow the Canaanite pantheon!
War drives progress.
See parallels between women gaining rights in Sparta and woman gaining rights during ww2 in the USA.
Please watch her newest trope talk, Death Personifyed, I'd say it's the best yet or aleast in the discussion.
The word you're working for in chinese is "icon-ography" but otherwise yeah its super neat to have the same writing but wildly different pronunciations...
4:50 technically Gilgamesh is Sumerian, not Babylonian. (and a demi- 2/3 god, not really a deity)
6:09 I mean, true about Spartan progressiveness towards women. They were also somehow even worse to their slaves then rest of the Greek cities were.
28:14 I mean, so is Japanese. Kanji have kun'yomi and on'yomi readings. The former is the native Japanese reading while the latter is taken/adapted from Chinese. But apparently they have other reading types as well. You can also have different Kanji lead to the same pronunciation via different reading hence in some anime when characters introduce themselves they say their names and then say which Kanji their names are written in, because just hearing it is not necessarily enough to correctly guess how a name/word is written (but again, seeing that name written you can then proceed to read it differently as well).
At least with most other languages/writing systems I know of the issue is only "one writing can be pronunced in different ways" or "one pronunciation can result from several different characters" but usually it is not both.
32:59 Apparently no one sounded the horn three times.
Pithos mistranslated as box is attributed to Erasmain in the 16th C
It's Huntress Wizard, not Huntress Princess.
The big overview of irish myth is the Book of Invasions. Written by monks so a lot of pagen stuff got papered over, but it's better than nothing.
24:18 - would *you* want to live in a house with no roof in November? I wouldn't.
If the apocalypse happens and I hear that Beowulf riding a dragon, Fionn, King Arthur and the knights, the wizard Merlin, the Golem of Prague, Monkey from JTTW(he’s quadruple immortal, he’ll definitely be around for it), Vainamoinen, BL(blessed) Charlemagne and his gang, Christ cosplaying as 40k emperor, along with the entire Ragnarok lineup(Surtur, Jorm, Fenrir, Loki, the ship make of human nails with an army onboard, the frost giants, etc), the host of Valhalla, Typhon broken free of his chains, The Aesir and Vanir armies, the Titans broken free from Tartarus, and basically every great hero form every mythology ever are have amassed and are raising hell, I officially swear in blood that I will vow to take up arms and join them. Even if it means death for me or the world. I am going out with a bang fighting for Earth and humanity alongside the ancient worlds greatest hits before I flee for a bunker.
I can’t speak for the rest of the population though.
30:48 If I could pick a Czech myth which fits the "king under the mountain" storyline, I would pick knights of Blaník, an army sleeping under the Blaník mountain with king saint Wenceslaus as the commander, and when the Czech nation hits its worst times, they will wake up and help Czechs fight their enemies.
But they will never wake up. Why? Because as a little old Czech saying goes: "Everything can always be worse."🤣
It became a box in the 16th century with mistranslations that confused pithos with pyxis.
About four minutes in you started talking about god evolving into newer religions and so you should really do some more on the gods, Aphrodite and Dionysus are particularly fun and go all into that.
Guys Greek mythology had an undertale refrence!
Along the lines of these myths, I HIGHLY suggest watching Jacob Geller’s video and the Golem. 💕
Fun fact. In polish it's not "box of Pandora" but "jar of Pandora" (Puszka Pandory)
It became pandlras box because someone mistranslated "pythos", right?
@@Skylight-zy4iz I checked and yep. Erasmus did it 500 years ago
Ah Polish, you sound quite similar to Czech, but there are those words which sound the same, but have wildly different meanings in each language.
"Puška" in Czech means rifle, jar would be "džbán".
@@morroghaiky6580 in polish dzban would be pitcher :)
30:51 is Väinämöinen from Finland. As far as i know Red hasn't done video about him or the national epic (Kalevala) where Väinämöinen is from
(Yes i wrote this before red told where he is from, my bad)
5:25 that is the issue of Sparta vs Athens in a nutshell.
Also if you want more tts content, there is a number of tts adjacent content by individual members if the Alfabusa crew, like Stringstorm, Karl the Deranged, Eliphas the Inheritor, 40k Theories, ThunderPsyker, Zorin the Bear, and Vindicare Assassin, among others.
And if you want more Warhammer content checkout Five(ish) minute lore and Mistakes of the Emperor, both by Old Man, as well as anything by PancreasNoWork, MajorKill, and Arch. They all four make great content that is both informative and entertaining.
On the one hand, the druid DOES look an awful lot like Huntress Wizard. However I've also seen her mention that she's never actually been able to get into Adventure Time (presumably the main reason Ice King has never been brought up in trope talks about amnesia and such, given that he's kind of an iconic example of it now) so its PROBABLY not intentional.
Though this does strike me as funny given that adventure time Finn being named for a physical trait we never actually see for quite a while (his hair color) is appropriate and pretty mundane by that setting's standards.
21:45 why he said something so controversial yet so brave
18:50 There is a book series called The Underland Chronicles that does some very interesting thing with prophesies (light spoilers) There was this important guy a long time ago who wrote a bunch of prophecies, and there is a different one every book. By the end of the book, after all the twist and turns, someone goes "oww we were interpreting it wrong this is what it actually meant". Near the end of the last book, one important character reveals something to the protagonist. They never believed in the prophecies, they just acted like the did because everyone does. That everything the main character did and what happend wasn't because some crazy old said it would, but because he chose and made it happen.
I would highly recommend the series, but I read it in elementary school, so I have no idea if it holds up
Nice episode.
lime jello is awesome so point to you also, I have never seen grape jello. I now have a life side quest.
Good luck with the dentistry!!!
Little late I know.
Quite disapointed with the Pandora bit in that Red does not make any attempt at implying that there most likely was either an older myth or an alternative myth in which Pandora, far from being presented as an curse and through that implying that women are a curse, instead it implies that Pandora and thus women themselves are as Pandora's name imples "one of all gift" not just due to her own name but the fact that she is escorted by Hermes to marry Epimetheus ((as deficted in many art)) this is due to Hermes having the epithet of "giver of good thing" and with him in many art and in stories escording wives to their husbands, which in the version we all know seems to be played as ironic and part of the deception when in the reality it was most likely far from it.
So yeah while this potentially older/alt version may till be sexist in that women are dedicated as objects of desire, it also deficits women as a positive, unlike the version we all know and hate.
25:05 *House
I have to bring up some Dan Machi things hyasynthus was part of the Apollo familiar, he was the brown haired elf that only went thru with half cutting off his bangs as bell points out in the abridged, also there may be something to Norse Celtic exchange because there is a halfling character named Finn who is blonde and his thumb throbs then there is danger about, and he is in the Loki familia
You really need to watch one of the longer videos about a single god (or pair of gods) or the one about the Wild Hunt if you like the comparative and development aspects so much.
4:15 Beelzebub comes from Baal Zebub, and in the Hebrew Bible is the god revered by the Philistines, the enemies of the Israelites. "Baal" just means "lord" in Canaanite (northwest Semitic) languages, and was most likely a metonymic honorific for Hadad, a major storm and fertility god in the Levant (similar to Yahweh before he became the national god of Israel). "Baal Zebul" meanq "lord of the flies" and might be a deformation of "Baal Zebul", "lord of princes", by the biblical authors to mock the Philistines (one of many hypotheses).
4:34 Gilgamesh was from Uruk, which is in what we today called Mesopotamia (the land along the Tigris and Euphrates river valleys, i.e. most of Iraq except the northern tip + northeastern Syria). More precisely, Uruk was in Sumer (the southern region near the Persian Gulf where they spoke Sumerian). Babylon was in the Akkadian-speaking region to the north (central Iraq today).
I will take this opportunity to say that Acantha & Leucates actually don't exist. They have no sources backing them up. Also, Castalia is one of those "maybe-maybe-not" myths because in the text Red's pulling from, she becomes the Castalian spring in Delphi, Apollo's major cult center. However, in the majority of other texts, the Castalian spring is already there before Apollo was born so... *shrug*
Also, I want to just say that Apollo's love life is not as bad as people say it is. It's the One thing I wish Red would touch on a little more because of the roughly 60 myths I know of, over half of them end well. Apollo actually wingmans a few of them (Admetus, Manto, Rhoeo) and he gifts entire kingdoms to a couple girlfriends (Cyrene, Melia). He kills people who attempt to violate his exes (Manto) which is a King move.
I could go on a whole rant about this because i've done Research because i'm a Nerd and am on a Mission to spread the news that Apollo Is Not terrible at relationships and Is Definitely Not as bad as Zeus or Poseidon in the noncon department.
I made a whole tumblr post about it and rambled it was really fun Apollo's my favorite god and he's done so dirty by modern media.
Anyway I joined the Discord :3
EDIT: OH YEAH HYACINTHUS WAS ACTUALLY MADE A GOD :D Apollo got so mopey about his death and even begged Zeus & Hades to let him die to join him that Zeus was like "*sigh* Artemis, take Aphrodite and Athena to Hades and get his boyfriend back so he'll stop crying" so they did and they got Hyacinthus back as well as Hyacinthus's little sister Polyboea! They were brought to Olympus and Apollo and Hyacinthus are happily back together and Polyboea joined Artemis's hunt! :DDDD
HAPPY ENDINGS CAN HAPPEN - EVEN TO APOLLO :D
while i'm here I would suggest Red's Artemis & Apollo ep (though I would watch Dionysus, Aphrodite, Hermes, and then Hades & Persephone first in that order since Red kinda builds on things in those videos)
I can't believe he comers adventure time with a myth because of the name Finn adventure time has Abraham Lincoln as the immortal king of mars and living gum and ather crazy things he even called it a ripoff I don't think he ever watched the show
In terms of OSP Videos, you might like any of the videos focused on one deity, but I suggest the deVines just for comedic value.
the first two and a half minutes is just Cliff notes i guess.
I wonder if he will ever react to overly sarcastic productions epic of ghilgames
Definitely. :)
I seriously suggest you watch Iliad, Odyssey and Aeneid. Then you will know why you think "Romans come from Trojans" and why it is "iffy".
Also it's great to see older Red stuff. You get to know how her style has changed a lot more than just going through Journey to the west.
fate kaleid has intresting take on pandora
Why did you bring Kaleid up??
@@thejestor9378 Because that is literally where the Fate Pandora is from? And one of the videos Airier reacted to is about the mythological Pandora?
@@gokbay3057 I know that, but why even mention Kaleid in the first place?? You do remember what Kaleid is right?
You are aware it said house not horse right?
You may enjoy the most disturbingly dirty fairytale by a channel called abitfrank i never heard this fairytale before was crazy,oh and agree it look like huntress wizard
Have u checked out the Pwyll one yet he is a welsh hero and his legend is pretty cool
Since you like origins of myths and stories, I think you'd like Jon Solo's videos.
22:16 you talked over it (you do that a lot, along with not hearing certain facts correctly, no offence just trying to give constructive criticism) but Red also said it could be that because he didn’t tell anyone his name they just started calling him blondie.
*HOUSE
Not Horse.
I really enjoy you reactions because the are so intelligent. Not just "wow that's cool".
Still no Frankenstein, Jekyll, or werewolf sarcastic video?