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- Miscellaneous Myths: Perseus
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The "be invincible but die if you try to fight" is probably a reference to Achilles and the Trojan War
EDIT: the term for Poseidon's memaid-horses you're struggling to remember is "Hippocampus"
Yeah. As of the Iliad, Achilles didn't have the whole heel vulnerability thing, IIRC, but rather a prophesy: if he fought at Troy he would die gloriously and be remembered forever or, if he didn't fight, he would have a long life but die in obscurity. The heel thing was a later addition to the Achilles myth.
@@HBHaga and depending on the sources he is bathed in holy flame or in the river Styx all except his heels obviously but man it is awesome and weird that his mother was a very much Unknow'd goddess/ water nymph? named Thetis mom of the god damn century, while his father was one of the heroes who journeyed with Jason and other famous Greek heroes on the Argos.
I also love the Natsuverse verson of him.
14:00 there's evidence that the Gorgons, Medusa included, started out as deities of a culture that the Greeks conquered/absorbed, and the myth was designed specifically to demonize the no-longer-worshiped deities so the Greek's own gods would be worshiped instead. Thus her name on the story.
27:20 Zeus was, among other things, the God of Hospitality. Breaking those rules was a good way of getting a lighting bolt to the forehead.
That sort of "older, local gods get beat or killed by new, foreign gods" thing is pretty common when two cultures meet.
@@Crazael or reinterpreted to apse the locals and make it easier to conform and integrate the inhabitance to the new ruling power which was also very common and smart thing to do. as when the Greeks and or Romans (I can't remember) conquered Egypt they initiated their deities as the same but in different forms.
Thats another thing as that was integrated/ incorporated in to Madusa in the fate franchise.
i.e. Divinity E-
@@atomicblacktiger9334 I know that the greeks did that, part of the Typhon story iirc. But tbh, the romans probably did that too.
Just a note, but Snow White wasn't ever abandoned to the dwarves or even abandoned at all, she was explicitly sent out to be murdered by the hunter. The hunter then got cold feet and told her to just run away. The evil queen very much had a plan to off her and not leaving it to the chance of the wilds, she even made the hunter bring back a heart to prove he had done the deed so that she wouldn't be left hoping for Snow White's eventual death. The hunter just used a pig's heart instead to trick her.
Some versions have him use a deer's heart.
In some versions she then eats the heart she thinks is Snow White‘s.
Ah, so good to revisit the classics. I can't wait to see more of these. Also, "Oh My God, he's a WEEB!" is the best description of Pygmalion ever.
The missing details in Bellerophon (according to Wikipedia):
When Bellerophon returned victorious to King Iobates, the king was unwilling to believe his story. A series of daunting quests ensued: Bellerophon was sent against the warlike the Amazons, who fought like men, whom Bellerophon vanquished by dropping boulders from his winged horse; which - in some Narratives, is preceded by Bellerophon facing off the Solymi.
When he was sent against a Carian pirate, Cheirmarrhus, they tried to ambush him, but failed when Bellerophon killed everyone sent to assassinate him. The palace guards then were sent against him, but Bellerophon called upon his father Poseidon, who flooded the plain of Xanthus behind Bellerophon as he approached. To defend themselves, the palace women rushed from the gates with their robes lifted high to expose themselves. Unwilling to confront them while they were undressed, Bellerophon withdrew.
The Grey Sisters were essentially like the Fates, except that instead of measuring out your life with a loom, string, and scissors; the Sisters had access to all of the knowledge of the world while they held a single eyeball but only one Sister at a time could use it.
And 1 tooth
@@jmurray1110 Yeah, but the tooth wasn’t really relevant.
so disney hercules fates are essentally the grey sisters.
@@hussainalmahfoodh7413 Yeah, they combined the two for some reason.
I think I fought them in the NES game Battle of Olympus.
If you really want to remember how MacBeth turns out, OSP and friends did a comedic run-through of the entire play last Halloween.
Plus Red actually started the channel by summarizing various Shakespeare plays, MacBeth being one of them.
"Rule34 exists" next you're gonna tell us water is wet and fire is hot
THEY ARE!!?
😯
@@Airier shocking right?
I disagree water isn’t wet
It's Moist
Nothing is really on fire, fire is on things ... technically speaking, but only if you want to be pedantic
People REALLY want Perseus to have an epic battle with Medusa, but they keep forgetting that she has two gorgon sisters who happen to be immortal. If anyone fought Medusa head on, Stheno and Euriale would have torn them apart for daring to mess with their little sister.
@ryttyr14 if I remember correctly, prior to the story of Medusa getting assaulted by Poseidon in Athena’s temple and getting turned into a gorgon, she was just one of a handful of gorgons that existed in the mythology.
@@ryttyr14 It's unclear, they're probably a leftover of an older version of the myth where they were all mosters from the beggining, maybe they were transformed alongside her for whatever reason (the gods don't seem to need much motivation to curse somone) and I think I heard a version of the story in wich her sisters were born monsters but Medusa wasn't (because mythological DNA makes no sense) and Athena's curse was to make her like her sisters.
@@ryttyr14i remember a version where they were already sisters and after medusa is cursed the 2 ask Athena to also transform them but that migth be from the fate universe so take it with a dead sea amount of salt
Remember we know the exact name of the author that wrote the Athena "punished" Medusa: Ovid a Roman. He systemically rewrote all the God to show them in a bad light. It was his way to critize the Emperor. Before the rewrite, Athena did it to *protect* her from Poseidon. This is why her head was use to decorate women's shelters.
@@geraldgrenier8132 In general, Ovid wrote the gods as complete assholes (as stand-ins for Augustus and his family), and those are the versions we got for centuries. Only later did we get into the Greek originals and start untangling his source material.
Arachne, for example, wasn’t turned into a spider for beating Athena in a weaving contest. She was punished for her choice of subject matter; an X-rated collage of Zeus and Poseidon’s sexual misadventures.
Not only does rule 34 of the internet exist, it of course predates the existence of the internet which it is a rule of. The prophecy!
[guitar solo intensifies]
Pretty sure it predates *writing.*
Airier, I know that I have told you this before, but Red doesn't have a schedule for Journey to the West videos, they just come out when they're ready (and Red takes her time on them because she wants them to be good since it's one of the most popular series on the channel).
Also yes, Perseus actually got a happy ending. That's the reason why Percy Jackson was named after him, at least in story.
In Percy Jackson and the Olympians Percy is named after Perseus because Sally says he is the ONLY Greek hero to have a happy ending.
The defeated look where he said "get their rocks off to it" is perfect GOLD!
The look of someone who accidentally led himself into a pun and realized it too late to stop.
I would highly recommend the central American (edit: specifically Aztec) myths. They are Irish mythology levels of "metal".
Like a Humming bird zipping by screaming *BLOOD FOR THE BLOOD GOD!!!*
I am deeply ashamed that it took me several seconds to remember that you meant the Native myths…
31:33 That's the later version, in the oldest available one chimera is killed with the good old spearing.
Greek mythology:
Greek mythology if Zeus wasn't being a dick:
Correction:
Greek mythology if Zeus didn't have a dick:
I can't wait until you find out there are a dozen different stories with Medusa with the version of being transformed by Athena for revenge the latest version.
The mirror shield probably worked because they didn't mean a literal mirror you can see yourself in, but something shiny enough to see a vague, blobby reflection, not an exact image. It would be enough to show where she is.
8:28 there is also evidence that Medusa was never beautiful to begin with but one of three gorgon sisters who were born ugly. Her being magically made ugly after being attacked (i’m using this word instead of one of two other words for CZcams reasons) by Poseidon was a more modern interpretation. I believe Red goes into that in a later myth and says something along the lines of “Athena either did her a solid by making her so ugly no man would do something like that to her again (in the picture I believe she writes something like “they can’t attack you if they can’t look at you”) or if she was wrongfully punished so hard that her face tuned inside out.”
Repost: Red does a number of deep dives explorations of some of the gods. If you do hit that particular sub-series, which is a part of Miscellaneous Myths, I'd advise doing them in release order: Dionysus, Aphrodite, Hermes, Loki and, the latest one, Artemis & Apollo.
Greek Mythology is always fun because we see how the stories changed over time, from the old Greek ideas, to Roman, to Catholic, all these religions saw them different, and changed the tone of a lot of stuff, even the modern day changed things, as we often dislike seeing the hero hurt, so we often sand off the bad parts, we also love some monsters, so we change how we see them. we forget half the lesion as no one in the story learnt that one. this all happening because Greek myths are some of the most well preserved.
Heck, most of them changed at least once back in old Greece already, between Mycanaean Greece to the Ancient Greece we know for the most part.
I think nothing shows the evolutiuon of that stuff better than anything relating to Hades. The ancients Greeks both respected and feared him. Romans had more positive outlook, due to sycretizing him with some other gods. Later he became more and more "the evil one" and in recent times there has been a counter to that villainization with depicting him as "the chill dude" to the point that many pointed out this super positive view of him often means one of the most famous stories with him gets reinterpret in a way that could be taken as romanticization of the forced marriage...
Airier "OnlyBoulders rocks pun"
Me: *Laughs so hard sounds like a banshee* *astmatic coughing*
[Swishes Cape DRAMATICALLY]
My work here is done.
:)
Overly sarcastic productions actually have a section of a deep dive about someone loving his family too much. Anakin Skywalker in the Clone Wars cartoon loves so much that it slowly breaks him, and he is willing to go to extremes to save them.
Ironically, Chrysaor just recently got a bigger role in FGO as well... by way of Medusa using his sword while in the Saber-class. He(?) already seemed to have made an appearence before, I think it was on Gorgons Bond-CE, where were shown the remnants of the Gorgons body after she was slain, with a golden egg in the middle, housing a sillhouette that resembles Stheno and Euryale. Theories range from that just being how he looks, to him being a rebirth of Stheno and Euryale and that Gorgon didn't completely absorb them, since Medusa already had the Pegasus as well before she ate him in Fate-lore, but he still jumped out of her neck as well. Anyways, as for Saber Medusa, she basically hones all in on her aspect as Chrysaors mother, treating the golden sword as if it was her child, while also focusing on her aspect as monster mother, since appearently some myths also describe Chrysaor as the father of monsters, I think due to him being the father of Echidna, who is basically THE mother of monsters in Greek myth, making Medusa basically the great-grandmother of monsters according to that interpretation. Of course, that somewhat conflicts with the role of Echidna and Typhon themself, since their place in Greek myth is typically sorted BEFORE Medusa chronologically, but at the same time, putting a chronology on Greek myth outside of the Argonauts and the Trojan war seems like a futile endeavour for the most part in the first place, and while there's a "popular" way to tell Greek myth, there's a bunch of different alternate versions for most myths anyways. Regardless, that's how we got a Saber Medusa in FGO using a golden sword and also summoning images of Greek monsters like the Cerberus or Scylla to help her in battle, while also hijacking parts of Athenas power for herself.
Main reason why Hera hounded Heracles so much was because Heracles' name meant "Glory to Hera/Hera's Glory" Except....Heracles wasn't her son. Plus Hercules is the Roman name, not the original name
If i remember by throw-away greek stories right, the incident with a lot of naked women had something to do with Belerophon being tired of the kings shit, asking Poseidon for help, at which point he marches into town with a giant tsunami at his bidding behind him. He`s stopped when a army of women/prostitutes walk out infront of him, and lift their skirts revealing their women parts at which point Belerophon turns around and leaves with his tsunami for... reason `s(obscure greek hospitality rules or something)
The new Helluva Boss episode just dropped literally right after you posted this.
And it was great
You totally should see the Minotaur video and Blues Minoan video because it adds so much to the the story. Really cool 👍😎
What's hilarious is, we said "get their rocks off" at the same time. *Cackle*
Really hit rock bottom with that pun
@@emilyb5307 what can I say? *we are the salt of the earth*
@@thegloriouswizard5270 ah of quartz.
@@emilyb5307your really gravel ing at straws here BROmine
ok I'll admit that was really bad lamo
@ashadowadaykostovski2328 bit iron-ic isn't it?
I wouldn't say Moses being left in the Nile is an example simply because, his family hid him for three months so he wouldn't be thrown in by soldiers and eaten or drown.
Also, the bottling emotions thing is more social in my experience. Me and a few others don't like a women who wants us to read her mind or dig for what's bothering her.
And it's not just women who are expected to bottle up their emotions. Guys are basically supposed to be *devoid* of emotion except for specific instances of measured aggression.
I was literally thinking about Blitz as an example of what kind of friend you were talking about when you mentioned him 😂😂😂😂
A good myth you can try out next is the Trojan War by Red. She rarely but sometimes references older videos so watching that would be a good choice.
Man, you can see these are older videos by the quality, and also the fact that they don't have the end credits with all the patrons at the end. Still funny, though I do prefer the deep dives into the cultural context around a myth like her Legends Summarized on gods. Btw the latest LS on Apollo & Artemis is awesome, you should catch up on all of them on gods (I think so far there's Dionysius, Aphrodite, Hades & Persephone).
Also Hermes.
Perseus, Hera’s favorite of Zeus’s many, many, children.
I thought that was Jason?
@@gokbay3057 mythological Jason wasn’t a son of Zeus, you’re thinking of the character named Jason from the Heroes of Olympus series who was named after him and was a son of Zeus/Jupiter.
@@Azorees-oj5zr I remembered Percy Jackson having Jason, son of Jupiter who said he was given the name because the Mythological Jason was Hera's favourite.
But yeah, I forgot that mythical Jason was not actually a son of Zeus but instead some sort of descendant of Hermes but not a direct demi-god.
It’s a mistake not to show the credits. Red adds extra commentary there.
and sings, beautifully.
Admittedly, I can see some confusion since Red, as per uj, kept things short and sweet to get the base story across. And since I'm a nerd of Mythology and History as much as I am one of gaming and media literacy, I can further expand context. Then again, you're probably gonna curse my name by the end of this.
- The thing about the Grey Sisters and that eye they share is a very freaky thing. The Graeae, as they are known, are a trio of hags with unnatural visages. Their skin grey like an overcast afternoon, their bodies built like geese with gangly long arms and long thick necks that droop downward. And between the three of them, they share one eye to see with and one tooth to eat with, placing them in their faces or mouths and then ripping them out to pass to the next sister; all of which draped within an ashen-colored curtain of long greasy hair. And yeah, Perseus kinda had to hold that eyeball hostage (well, THAT'S a sentence) because they were being stubborn, avoidant and generally unhelpful. Pretty typical for crotchety abhuman creatures that collectively possess all worldly knowledge.
- The "Epic Medusa Fight" thing probably started back in the 50's with the creation of Clash of the Titans. Which make sense since most idiots still think the Kraken is Greek and not Norse because Ray Harryhausen made the Kraken into the sea monster that was going to eat Andromeda. But, the reason he avoids the fight directly is because Medusa's sisters, Stheno and Euriale, are immortal and more than a capable fighting force. So yeah, no messing with lil' Medusa unless you want her big sisters to rip out your asophagus.
- While true that Minos imprisoned Daedalus and Icarus were imprisoned to keep the Labyrinth's escape directions secret, *that's not the ONLY reason.* See, after a bunch of egotistical bs with Monis flaunting the extremely beautiful Cretan Bull as his own instead of sacrificing it, Poseidon cursed his wife to become enamored with said Bull. Thankfully, the Bull wasn't going for it because... well, human. Bull. Tou get the picture. Anyways, she devised a method by which she'd get the bull's attention, _AND GUESS WHO SHE GOT TO BUILD IT!_ You'd also ask why didn't Daedalus turn it down and the answer is thus: "Professionals Have Standards." That, and outright refusing a queen is likely to get you arrested or beheaded back in those days. That, and lots of gold.
- I'll admit that Pygmalion is a weiner for being kind of an ass with his decisions, but he tended not to like the women of his city because most of them were prostitutes. And a lot of guys tend to not want to drink from the same bottle that other dudes drank from. And if I remember the story correctly, he actually was very happy when Galatea came to life.
I would add something about Bellerophon, but I got nothing; it's been a hot minute since then. Plus, you'd probably want me to stop after mentioning the part where a queen got a bad hankering for beef.
Know my pain.
Or he "likes his friends too much" by not letting them take *any* risks *ever.*
The half horse/half fish is a hippocampus, I believe.
You are correct.
funny you mentioned Helluva boss's blitz...
cause there is an episdoe like 10m before the upload
and it's blitz heavy
To paraphrase the great Hoid, every story is either do what we say and die, or don't do what we say and find something great.
Can't go wrong with Hoid. :)
Now, understanding what he means at first, that's another matter.
Red forgot to mention that Pygmalion grew up next to a brothel, which is why he was so weird about women.
Airier, the 'tracing circle tool' is called a compass, and its also not what he's holding. The torch in the other hand has to be lit, and the tool is a modern-day flint-and-steel, basically, to spark and light the gas from the torch.
My mom is definitely from that generation where women are taught to bottle up their negativity and then explode when they can't take it anymore. It isn't universally true for everyone (obviously), but I can definitely say as a woman that those kind of messages are really communicated to girls in real life.
Bit of context, the fisherman is the stone king's brother and a lot nicer than the king of rock, hence why he becomes king.
9:46 Nonsense! It was a great pun! I actually laughed out loud when you said it. Though, I'll admit part of that was the delivery.
That tool you mistook for a compass (circle thingie) is a flint for lighting torches.
You should see the Muppet version of the Myth of Icharus, it legit made me cry.
The best variation of Chrysaor I've ever seen was the Percy Jackson book series where he became a pirate. (Son of Poseidon and a monster)
Say didnt Rick riordan write into the Percy Jackson books that Daedalus tried to kill Icarus because he was slightly smarter? Also there is a version where pygmalion was commissioned to make a statue of Aphrodite after which he was supposed to actually look for a mate, and he postponed as much as he could but couldn’t, then asked for it to be brought to life.
He didn't kill his son out of jealousy in that series, Icarus still died from ignoring his dad's warning about flying too high. He *did* murder his nephew for how smart that kid is on top of a lot of poor choices of conversation topics by said nephew in relation to Icarus' death. (where in myth said nephew is normally yeeted before Icarus dies.)
Noone talks about the cool fight but know the snake lady.... umm there the thing the cool fight monster has a name, you heard "release the kraken!" That is This fight. Yes that was the Kraken
I'm pretty sure only the later "Clash of the Titans" movie decided to make it the kraken - a creature that comes from Scandinavian myths. As far as I know, the sea monster Perseus defeats never got a name in Greek mythology.
I’m highly amused by the number of “wait, what? No… actually, that makes a lot of sense.” moments.
0:26 We know your pain.😔
Funny you mention Helluva Boss my guy. . .
Because a new episode has been dropped!! And dang is it ever the craziest one yet!!
Hey, that rocks off pun was great. The fact it wasn't on purpose made it better.
The Ur Example of "make my waifu real."
Helluva boss season two episode six should be releasing today there’s lots of people saying it could be of blitz and fizzorollys past or from something else I forgot
Snow White was supposed to be murdered by the Hunter who couldn’t bring himself to do it so he told her the queen wanted her dead so she would not go back to the palace and he killed a boar instead to put its heart in the box that he was supposed to put Snow White’s heart in. He was hoping she would live not hoping for her to die.
Airier Haven't you see clash of the Titans Andromeda was sacrifice to the kraken it Where the saying release the kraken come from
26:13 hippocampus
Also Can we agree that Madusa from fate is just so hot she is A-S tier Mommy material.
He skipped the sea monster fight. As she does tell it after the initial fake out
Someone probably already mentioned it but there is a new helluva boss out
9:45 you should have set that we've hit rock bottom.
17:12 No actuly that is a sparker it is a tool used to make a spark to light the gas of a blow touch
Please do the Hods, they are probably my favourite thing that red dies, and everything she does is genius
7:40-7:48 LMAO😂😂😂
THE NEW HELLUVA BOSS EPISODES HERE AND IT SHOWS HOW BLITZ GOT HIS SCAR ON HIS FACT 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆
Thanks for these reactions.
Fate Medusa enters the chat
9:43
So, you are saying, that you have hit, rock bottom?
Yes! I adore these videos!!!
Have you seen unraveling history with pascu and rodri? is in spanish with subs and is amazing.
What I really hate is when people try to make the story of Icarus into a love story and say he was in love with Apollo/Helios- like, Icarus was a KID! And the story is meant to be a cautionary tale!
Th new helluva boss episodes is out and it’s crazy
13:24 Did you actually attempt to argue that the sacrifice of a single person is not worth the lives of a city/kingdom of innocents?
Weebs and Otakus are not the same an Otaku is someone who just enjoys anime weebs are people who don't know shit for dick about Japan, the Japanese language, Japanese school libraries, and their culture, basically they have this fantasised version of Japan and are disappointed when they actually pay a visit
oh this is a title i should be worried about isn't it?
The new helluva boss is out
I’m sorry but this is getting on my nerves. THE NAME IS HERACLES, he was named after the glory of Hera in an ineffective bid to not delete (using this instead of another word) him. HERCULES IS HIS ROMAN NAME. It is explained in their Heracles video.
ooooo your're doing a bunch at once
you're a former fate enjoyer and you don't recognize baleraphon, the hero that medusa's noble phantasm references, also fun fact the saber variant of medusa uses her other kid as a noble phantasm and uses the golden sword aspect of his name for why she is said saber
Voltron was good in the first half and then got terrible then the second to last season was great and then the last season ruined everything.
Great Video !
Nice episode.
Why is the title of this video about r34?
I'm here I guess
First (also can't wait to see what this video has to offer)
voltron is good
I have a vitriol hatered for this guy i have no clue why
In Percy Jackson and the Olympians Percy is named after Perseus because Sally says he is the ONLY Greek hero to have a happy ending.