LARS and the CREEPING DEATH Intro (LIVE 2021 vs. Studio Version) WHAT HAPPENED?
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- -Playing the new live version was very difficult for me since I've been playing it close to the studio version all my life. Fun learning experience, or maybe I should say "unlearning" experience. Thanks for watching.
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Oh it’s fine my man! I did wanna comment that Lars has even done this since Monsters Of Rock, Metallica is a pretty loud band compared to the supporting bands. The snare instead of the floor tom is most likely because that’s when the song starts, and he wants it to be right in your face and loud off the bat.
I realized hehe, I know the drill. I do love the silly thumbnails!
Check out the new intro of “Harvester of Sorrow” on the floor tom.
I was about to count the 'live version intro' time signature, then i was like, nah man, better don't; just keep watchin' it..)
I thought it would be because they play live like 20 percent faster
Lars tends to rush his entrances and fills most of the times. The weird thing is that he's done it for so long that the rest of the band have learned to rush too so it sounds like they're all on the beat even though they really aren't. It's even more noticeable in songs like "for whom the bell tolls".
When they play Breadfan he always plays the cymbal breaks that are supposed to be triplets like they are regular eighths.
Very good point. Two things - when a band writes a song there is no wrong way for them to play it, just different ways. It is their song to play how they want. Lars has stated that he always changes and upgrades the songs to make them interesting for the band, as it gets tired to play the same song note for note for twenty years. If you want the recorded version, you have that, if you want to see a band play live it will be different every time.
@@DenSvartaStjarnan I've gotten so used to them rushing the cymbal breaks in songs that it's almost a cool metallica quirk to me. It's their thing, they've been doing it even when Lars had mad chops.
@@johnnyburritto6367 really just sounds like a lame excuse for not remembering how to play your own material. Once you start play it different than how it was originally recorded you'll never go back to the original again.
The exception to that is the triplet stabs in the chorus of Sad But True, which he drags out so far they practically get a bar each. I haven't seen them live since the Black Album, but he was already playing it that way then. Never understood why they did it that way, it just broke the flow so badly.
Analyzing Lars'es drumming is like analyzing the walking cadence of a drunk person.
Indeed!😂😂
Making me laugh at 730 am
Lets face it Lars's timing has been iffy since kill 'em all
too bad drunk drumming is already a thing and it's still way more predictable than Lars :-D
@@steelwarrior105 say that in a Metallica forum you will get mean comments for months. They say you aren’t as successful as him so he must know more lol
I’ve been listening to Metallica for more than 30 years, and I still don’t know what Lars is doing half the time.
Napster time :)
I know up to the black he was very decent and these days is very shit....although lately he sounds alittle better.....still needs work on timing though 😕
@@WendyMcCor696 Whoever does Metallica’s mixing on the live releases needs a raise, big time, from Lars personally! Seriously good mixes that even makes Lars sound decent lol
Neither does Lars :P
I don’t think even Lars realizes what he doing full time
That's called the "no practice", it's Lars' favorite drum technique..
The most real and honest comment of all.
It's called 'fuck metronomes I ám the tempo' and it creates a more organic energy/vibe/feel you can't match any other way. If the band agrees with that style and can lock in by closely listening and even looking at the drummer it can work. But musicians and music listeners that are addicted to metronomes (because it's everywhere) can be triggered by it. Not really open minded of them in my opinion. You can use tempo changes as a form of expression and do it on purpose, playing with it, being in the moment. Why do some people find it so important to have a tempo that's as steady as can be, are you a robot? As long as the tempo changes are fluent and musical and the whole band follows it it's fun and just another degree of freedom to musically play with live. Imagine you have to play those songs over and over, it's really nice for them that they can experiment with the way they play the songs instead of having to follow the same time-grid every damn time. They also play with the intensity (volume dynamics) and every live version is slightly different in terms of micro-timing groove changes and of course tone and sound. That way it keeps being interesting even after all those years. I bet it's actually one of the reasons they still exist and aren't bored by it already.
Go watch Battery from the Late Night show earlier this year then say he doesn’t practice 🤡 dudes playing better than the last 10 years.
Ya, if you watch his podcast with Dave Grohl, he talks about how he doesn’t really practice regularly like he should.
I think after that talk with Dave, he decided to practice again….lol! What’s crazy is watching the making of Hardwired. Lar’s is still thrashy and fast as fuck. Almost like he dials back a bit live, to not get tired. He is an old man playing fast metal. Let’s not forget that.
haha i liked how u tuned to standard for the album and eb for the 2021 version, lit man
Thanks for noticing. :)
I noticed that too. Not many people would have bothered. Attention to detail is what makes this channel so watchable!😀
It jumped out at me.
Its not even even standard, its alittle more flat than that, like dime used to tune his guitars
@Phantom Deth it's not like it's common knowledge Metallica tunes a half step down live nowadays or anything
Ok, I'll say it - I don't think Lars even realises what he is playing..
Yeahh
Or when
Or how
When you played the crashes correctly, part of me recoiled at it. It sounded right but it didn't sound like Metallica
Same thought exactly. As if he was late on the second hit every time.
basically, lars is wrong
@@zezin-kkkk or maybe he just wants to play it differently
@@randomalbum9879 Differently but certainly not better, like most of the drums fills he's changed over the years
I honestly don't think Lars ever had a good internal metronome, but my guess is that his role in the band has always been bigger than just keeping the time, so they've worked around it in various ways at different points in their history. His loose feel works really well on earlier songs like "Creeping Death" and "Master of Puppets" and really comes into its own on The Black Album. And that feel stands in stark contrast to his machine-like performance on "And Justice for All" (the album), which for me is some of the best drumming of the thrash era -- regardless of how many takes he may have had to do, or whether he can always pull off the songs from it live.
AJFA is as tight as it is because Lars recorded the bare minimum necessary and then had all the parts copy pasted so he didn't have to do it all in one go
@@Kat-nd5fq While that's certainly true in the later Metallica albuns, not so much on the early stuff. Digital recording is still a relatively new thing. The first album to be completely done digitally was Livin' La Vida Loca in 1999.
@@BrunodeSouzaLino digital PCM recording has been around since the early 70's
@infoslinger where's your source on that?
@@MetalPersonJ czcams.com/video/R-vzuSy8ct8/video.html
One of the funniest things for me related to Metallica is the fact that Lars is usually so out of the beat and tempo, that the entire band has learned to match him. It was really apparent while watching Battery with Lombardo. James and Kirk were naturally "flowing" through the song, "feeling it" in their own way, not really caring about beat and tempo. Just how they would normally play with Lars and sound good. Meanwhile, Dave playing was, as always, very even and tight. So, James and Kirk really struggled to be on the spot with Dave cause they are so used to Lars's drumming. Only Rob could match drums, but he is a freaking machine and more like a session musician than Metallica member XD I think its hilarious, that in order to sound decent live, Metallica just CANNOT have tight and even drummer anymore
I get what you're saying, but it should also be mentioned that Lombardo missed his entry on the chorus fill several times. Not to dunk on him, nobody can be expected to be summoned to the stage spontaneously and give a perfect rendition of a song that they haven't had a chance to rehearse beforehand.
But yeah, part of what makes James, Kirk, and Rob so great has always been their ability to accomodate Lars 😆
Wtf are you saying about Rob, lol. He's been in the band for longest than Cliff, that's just some stupid shit that "old tallica" fans want to believe. He's part of Metallica xD
@@frankiebq5604 session musician as in he can play and accommodate his playing to whatever he hears you dull simpleton.
@@frankiebq5604 You completely missed the point of that comment.
It’s obvious you have no idea what you’re talking about. Except for the double bass passage Lambardo did terrible on his rendition of Battery
Lars also opened with the snare in Moscow 91
It's just lars being ahead of the beat.. as he mostly is
Right! He's not doing some amazing thing. He's just not playing well.
Its just Lars being a Prog Drummer
@@SeedOilFitnessOfficial I can't tell if you're being serious or not. Prog drummers are always on the beat.
He's like the Meg White of metal drummers
"Lars apologist" HAHAHAHA. I had to laugh at this because I feel the same way. Lars was my first drumming inspiration and although I HATE some of the things he's done to these songs over the years, there's no denying he fully believes in what he's doing.
Except when he screws up the sextuplets in One. Sometimes it sounds like he's dropping a bowling ball down a set of stairs and it really kills the groove lmao.
Lars has been playing the "2021" Creeping Death intro that way for years. Checkout the Woodstock '99 performance and play close attention to the high hat. The snare intro is there as well. When all 4 guys are locked in like in that Woodstock performance the timing doesn't seem as weird.
I'm skeptical that Lars is consciously making any of these changes. I would assume that he thinks he's playing it exactly the same as how it appears on the record.
The tempo drag sounds pretty much like someone that's pushing a tempo and realized she can't play it after the first measure.
Lars isn't the best drummer in the world... he's not even the best drummer in Metallica - James Hetfield
You're as much of a badass drummer, as you are a guitarist!
I thought the issue was that Lars just isn't that good live anymore?
That being said. I have never met anyone that has seen Metallica live in the 10 years that thought the show was less than spectacular. Nobody has said the show was ruined by Lars barely playing the parts from the original recordings. Or those crazy ass tempo changes.
Man, this can be seen even more clearer in live versions of “Sad but True”. He can’t play dot notes, or just does not want.
"hey James? Those dot notes? How about don't notes"
-Lars
Explanation is simple: he can't keep in time, every musician knows it.
Fyi Lars did first 5 beats on the snare back at Monsters of Rock 1991 in Russia...I thought it was a mistake, too, being so pumped for soooo many ppl.
drugs
I've listened to so much live stuff, that 3 hi hat hit has become how I play the song back in my head now lol. Feels totally weird whenever I go back to the album to listen or play along now
Well, three Hi-Hats are correct. It's just that the three Hi-Hats are always rushed and not in timing by Lars.
@@SolarMusicZ Lars is reinforcing my habit of coming in half a beat early from my highschool band days lol
@@SolarMusicZ Yeah, if it IS a 4 count, the second crash is the one. It's an odd choice but that's what made Metallica so freekin' amazingly novel and weird back then!
@@SolarMusicZ The 3 notes are wrong, it should be 4. If he wanted to make it three the tom rolls would have to be longer
@@jd0879 no. Listen to the song and count. 3 is right. He is rushing it live.
Counting: dagadaga-da-daaa1234 - dagadaga-da-dada 234..
Even though those are weird changes he does now the one I can’t comprehend is not playing the cool toms fill in between the intro and the next riff, I miss that one. Same for the little riff that Kirk is supposed to play after the “Die by my hand” riff and the next verse.
At first I thought Lars stopped doing that big drum fill after he downsized his kit in 1994 or so. But in live footage through the late 90s you can see that he still did the fill, even on just 2 toms. At some point in the 2000s he just gave up on it, which is a shame.
Laziness, does he even play the double bass parts anymore? Last time i checked he gave up on the double bass part to St.Anger
During the whole video I was like “ok, he is trying to put a sort of an upbeat, fast intro”.
But then you said “the whole band looks at him, he’s in control” - there, we all know THIS explains everything haha.
lol I was going to say something similar but you articulated it far better than I would have.
It’s live and Lars does this sort of thing all the time. I think it’s a vibe thing with the band that has evolved over time.
More like devolve.
or he just sucks...
Um, no. It's because Lars is a pretty terrible drummer.
"Vibe thing"
Yeah, having totally unpredictable timing is a great vibe for a drummer to have lol. Makes them really fun to play with...
Or the fact he can’t properly play half of the material anymore.
@3:54 "...it's hard to predict when to actually come in with that floor tom" - exactly the kind of dynamic excitability you want in a drummer!
Love these ones Mike, fascinating stuff
Fun fact with the snare hits in the intro he's been doing that since the late 80's/early 90's. You can hear it in the Moscow 91 performance
My only explanation is maybe Lars is trying to keep it raw as possible with the wierd time signatures .. how it felt back in the day in a garage .. I like it cause it feels natural not tied down to a overused formula
Mine is Hetfield played it in the studio
Lol bad time keeping written off "going off formula bro" 🤣
Insert "it sounds stock" lars meme
I just don't think he is even thinking in terms if time signatures. Just doing whatever the hell he wants. Think about the timing of the verse riff of Master of Puppets. If you were to try and actually chart is properly it comes out to some bizarre time signature that makes it sound way more complicated and less intuitive than it actually is.
Thats not weird time sigs. Thats unskilled and unpracticed drummer traits. Hes rushing, then the next time is way off. Some people will mistake this for musical prowess or genius....lol. Trust me, its not. 😁
@@NoahNCopeland ITs JaZZ MaN!!111!!1! I love these Lars apologists as if they were on his payroll or something lmao. Nobody wants to deny Lars position in the metal genre and history. That's undeniable. I just don't understand why not admit (when he actually did himself MANY TIMES) that he stopped practicing a long time ago and that took it's toll over the years.
5:57 and on is f*cking poetry
I’ve always thought that Lars’ live drumming brings a while new life and energy to the music.
I cannot tell you how good it is to hear such a good explanation from a musician I deeply respect
THANK YOU 🤘🤘🤘
I would go even further and not say that it works because the rest of the band sticks to them. It'd argue that the rest of the band sticks to them because they work.
I always liked his unorthodox approach. In a lot of the recordings you can find surprises too. He will put some emphasis where I wouldn't expect it and yet it works great for the song
Been wondering about this for years! Thanks !
Love your nod to the left after each demonstration! - Job well done🙂
I remember seeing a comment on a creeping death 2021 video were the guy praises Lars for being "focused and locked in" on the song and I had to laugh cause I had the same insights you had lol
What about the intro of "Harvester of Sorrow"?
It’s the details that makes me love this channel 🤘
I get the feeling at this point no matter what or how Lars changes things, the rest of the band is like "just go along," otherwise they will have to engage in a long drawn out "conversation" with him about it and James has probably spent a solid 5 years of his life arguing with Lars if you add it all together.
I'm not a Metallica fan, or even a metal fan but I really like Lars' drumming. I was watching Master of Puppets live Manchester 2019 the other week and he's all over the place, it's great. :D
That's like saying you watched someone end their life by gunshot and saying you admire their shooting technique.
Hey Mike love the drumming vids
Nothing weird that Lars does is intentional, it’s called “Larsisms”.
This is crazy! I’ve always noticed the intro sounds weird, but I’ve never been able to notice it, and now it makes sense! Thank you so much for opening my eyes.
Might sound weird but I prefer the 2021 live version, it might be because I overplayed the studio versions over the years and when I hear the live versions it sounds a different and more interesting to me.
I am SO happy you’ve done this because I felt EXACTLY the same as how you described it. He’s done it for a while. Everything just seems early and rushed. I didn’t understand how they all seemingly were. And how they stayed relatively in time to it being off.
I think its "feeling the Song and the music" vs "having acutally practice behind your back". Its like they aren't musicians, they are just crazy maniacs who hit nots which are resonating with us. I love it! Thats Heavy Metal for me.
5:41 excellent explanation my feelings exactly lars drumming is so good for the feel and the sway of the band and he gives a lot of energy!
Lars has been playing the intro thar way for decades. I just listened to the Seattle '89 version and it starts with the four count on the china, followed by the snare, then the floor tom with alternating fours and threes on the hats.
While watching this I couldn't help but feel Frank the Bunny was watching me through the drum kit haha! 😆 Love these dissecting videos! I've been watching most of the live videos Metallica have been putting out recently and they all look and sound crazy awesome. Seriously looking forward to the day I get to see them play live! 🔥🤘
overall his live timing this year have been phenomenal
cant wait to see them live again next week at Rockville 🤘
🤣 The funniest thing is that you 're analyzing Lars' drumming! 🤣
ha. I'm loving these new Metallica shows btw. They sound amazing. They always sounded great live, save St. Anger days, but they are rocking the f'ing house on this tour.
Your energy is great
It's so refreshing to see this. I've heard Creep in 2021 and thought something did seem off. Now I know why. I think I want to go back and find some warm-up videos and see if they practice Creep and if it's off there too.
Struggles with Time
Triggered again
First the beat is fast then slow again
Maybe he just can't remembah!
Lars is having deep dementia!
Old habits reappear
Must have wax in his ears
Un-synchronicity
Whole band catch up to me
Frayed ends of sanity
Hear them.....Hear them chasing meeeee!
This is so good
I've definitely noticed this before! lol good breakdown mike!
I'd hesitate to call it a new "version" seeing as it almost certainly wasn't planned
The main issue with the timing live in this song is that Lars is known for following James' rhythm, but the intro requires that Lars be the one everyone else follows, so they all end up going at an awkward, random speed
Lars is 2,000 years old. He’s doing amazing for such an old guy who, btw, never really was a drummer(formally trained, that is).
(Almost) nobody in metal is formally trained… they just care about their art and (mostly) don’t suck
2:41 is the perfect explanation of how this live version intro feels
Good show, good sir. Bravo.
As a drummer myself, sometimes when playing rock, you gotta rush a little to excite the audience. People don't want perfection, they want a unique and unpredictable experience. Little things like this can be enough to capture the attention of the audience. It brings a bit of rythmic tension if you want.
That's kind of how I look at it. It builds tension. Who wants to play a song exactly like the studio version decade after decade? He likes to mix it up and keep it interesting. Not sure why people think that's a negative.
It’s funny, I’ve gotten into Metallica recently at 54 yrs old (I know, I know) and have been binge listening album stuff and live stuff on YT. I’ve seen lots of comments on Lars’ drumming live and I never understood what people were talking about. As a crappy guitarist I’m just so mesmerized by James’ down picking that I haven’t paid attention. It all sounds awesome to me! New subscriber and loving these videos btw!
At first I was confused when you said the 3 hihat part wasn't in time because it sounded right to me, but after I listened to the clip you added at 2:35 I realized I misinterpreted "out of time". Lars rushes a little bit. I thought "out of time" meant the hits were not in the right rhythm, but they are, Lars is just a bit early.
Thank you for these videos. I have noticed these idiosyncrasies for years and have always found it very appealing to my ears. Like you said, It does have a certain "charm" to it.
I am 45 and have been playing since I was probably 12yrs old. Very much like yourself, I spent countless hours learning ALL of their catalog trough Justice with my friends growing up. It made me the player I am today. Metallica is my "Beatles"
Much better than RINGO :)
An old drummer used to "remind" me when I was done soloing by playing 7/4 & 7/8 until I stopped.
Good times.
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Never knew you play drum very well 👏🏻🤘🏻
He's never been one to worry too much about consistency. Sometimes the irregularity creates real magic. Sometimes it falls apart. I personally just take the good with the bad. Life is too short to split hairs over the minutiae of a few mistakes.
Well said. Social media (especially CZcams music videos) really seems to bring out all the bored nitpickers.
That intro live has bothered me for years. I'm glad someone said something about it cause I was beggining to think I was imagining things.
Lars also does this on the intros for Master of Puppets, For Whom the Bells Tolls, and more. I love Metallica but those details do take away from the live experience, in my opinion.
Anyway, cool video, cheers ✌🏼
He’s been doing the snare on the first bar since the Justice tour. Also, I think the other three are so used to the timing that they’re pretty much locked in. Sometimes he does get a little ahead of the beat between the two crashes and back to the tom
Your comment about guest drummers is spot on.
I remember when Joey Jordison played with Metallica (and I think it was Creeping Death!), and though he was an amazing drummer, it just doesn't sounded right. The connection Lars has with Metallica goes beyond technical skill, he's part of the identity and personality of the band.
Imagine how bad it would sound if his connection with Metallica actually went below his technical skill...
"y'know it's cool because it's different, cause then it's not the same" -Lars
I think he's been doing it for years now, the snare intro instead of starting with the floor tom
as a guitarist and drummer metallica is a huge influence on me, and i actually really like Lars' Drumming i know that he has flaws but i kinda dig his artsy ,weird take on drumming and his drumming shenanigans he is a big influence no matter what other people tell, love your channel and really enjoyed this video, thnx dude, stay happy and healthy!!!!
checking the art of guitar for the first time. expectimg.guitars. experiencing a drum video. not caring because its very well made and interesting ✌️
Very well analyzed! The intro has always caused me, I wouldn't say discomfort, but a curiosity about these inconsistencies. Anyway, I love the "technical digital drummers" in the comments theorizing and saying how bad one of the best drummers in the world sounds.
I've noticed at the 2021 shows, Metallica has tried to slow down the tempo for most songs...
I don't think they have played Creeping Death this slow since the 90's, Maybe ever LIVE!
They usually play Creeping Death so fast that even James can't downpick it.
So Lars is obviously struggling to adjust, and it's really apparent on this song.
Larses drumming im confident is what gives metallica its unbelievably ridiculous replayability. Its so random its interesting everytime i hear em live. I really think hes beyond our comprehnsive capabilities
Found one of Lars' accounts.
@@isveryniceyes 😂😂😂
if I count along with the album version, it's 3 seconds in between... So imo it's not so strange he does that live with hi-hat. But overall it's funny seeing some explaining the mishaps in Lars' drumming even being aware of them for more than a decade myself 😅.
Have you seen Ride the Lightning's version at 1985 Day at the Green? When Kirk is playin' the second solo with a fast part of drums, oddly Lars made a kind of tricks with the toms that almost messed up the song.
Even Kirk is looking him like "where are you going?
"Creeping Death" is my favorite song on the album 😁
The hi-hat count has always been 4 then 3, even in the studio record (where there’s no hi-hat).
Strange changes, that's a nice way of putting it
As someone who listened to the Through the Never live album for so freaking long this doesn't feel off to me at all.
I'm just happy to hear he discovered the hi hat has a foot pedal after all those years, now if we could only get him to play the ride cymbal
Same with the part just after "I'm sent here by the chosen one",they speed it up and go right back
My preferred style is when he fills the gap after the tom fill with two crashes. It sounds tighter.
Would love to see you do a run down of some drum stuff from the Who Live at Leeds. That band was locked in
Has Lars ever played the same live as on record? 🤔 I love his drumming on Creeping at the Moscow 91 show.
I don’t think Lars is capable of playing the same thing Twice
The last part of the intro was tighter offcourse, but the hi-hat counts and starting on the snare has been there since atleast '91.
I was listening to the song and I was wondering about this weird timing... then I type "Creeping Death intro timing" in CZcams expecting nothing but this video comes up. CZcams has everything.
good analysis
That's what I've felt too when Joey and Dave steps in for Lars, sure it sounded powerful and on time and very fast but it just felt so straight forward which weird for metallica music.
Lars has been opening with the snare since the 90s
I always played it floor and snare, one hand each.
I feel like the rushed intro gives it this feeling like you're being shoved into the song. On its own it sounds wrong, but add the guitars and bass in on time (off time) and it gives the intro a real forward push into the song. I really like it.
He’s been doing that intro live for years now
Probably the most technical thing Lars has ever played
He's been doing this for easily 2 decades in not sure how this is only being picked up now. He did the snare intro during the black album tour
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If you listen to the 1993 Mexico City version you can hear the intro counted by 4, and then it alternates between 4 and 3 hits with the hi-hat. Seems like its evolved over a long period of time.
Hey, Mike! Could you explain what happens with drums in Leper Messiah 180+ BPM part? There's something like a floating in time bridge in the end like "snare, kick+hh, kick+hh, snare, snare, kick+hh, kick+hh", I mean it's off the grid, but the next measure starts on time... and there's also a difference of how they play this on the album and now. A huge mystery of Metallica timings... I would appreciate if you'd make a video about it.
Could you do the same do the guitar parts ?
Lars is actually the reason I picked up drumming. The first song I ever learned was For Whom the Bell Tolls, which my dad actually helped teach to me. We were both inspired by Lars, and his uncanny ability to play.
rly uncanny
Lars could play, when he cared and practiced and was on a coke binge, now he turns up, rushes tempo and ruins songs, his infamous fuck up of the double bass on 'one' hurts to hear, lars was one of my favourite drummers growing up aswell
@@scottwallace5239 I guarantee you nobody that has gone to a Metallica concert believes Lars ruined any songs
If Lars was precise with his fluctuating of the beat and time signature, that still keeps the energy ebb and flow of the band that would be fine. But that's not what it is. It's a band that's gotten use to a sloppy drummer, that just happens to be two guitarist that are fucking amazing so they can carry