Flat Box Fever
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- čas přidán 28. 07. 2024
- Steve reveals what makes original issue JoHan “flat box” replicas of the Ramchargers 1964 Dodge and Golden Commandos 1964 Plymouth Belvedere so different from later reissues of these kits. Plus a look at Lindberg’s more recent 1964 Ramchargers Dodge 330 Race Hemi sedan model kit.
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Box art is like Album art, they sure do compliment the contents and help sell sell sell 👍🏻
I love your enthusiasm for all models, even when you're up on the auction block always letting us know what kits were available for that particular car. Keep up these awesome videos. 👍🏁
I appreciate that!
Yes Steve! Mouth watering!!!!
Decals were always the first things I'd pull from the box. I've been a sticker freak ever since. Steve, I'm sure you have more than one drawer full of stickers. I'd like to see an episode of that!
You and me both .👍
I bought 2 of the flat box Ramcharger models back in 68-69. I bought 2 because all the great parts for modeling. At the time most kits were $2 the Jo-Han models were about $3.
I have both of these as well. I built them, and they are sitting in my garage. I really wanted a 1964 Plymouth Fury kit, but none was available at the time, so I settled for the Hemi Belvedere.
I love Johan models, can't get enough of them.
I probably have 25 boxed kits and 30 Promo's and rebuilders.
I especially love the Cadillac, Olds 442/Cutlass and anything Mopar related.
Great reviews. I enjoy your Junkyard Gold show too.
I'm a mopar fan, Johan is the best for us. Built many of these back in 60's I'm 71, still collecting and building models! Enjoy your video's thanks for the posting.
Same here Charles!
The thing about models and their colors in the late 60's and then the 70's was that people at the time liked color bodies because very few kids painted the cars with spray paint. If it was painted at all it was with a brush and regular bottles paint. I remember me and my friends would talk about how happy we were if the car was NOT white. Now today everyone paints the models, so the color is better white. But if I buy a vintage model, I prefer the colored bodies but will buy a white one if I need that one to fill in my collection. Great vids while the weather sucks.
i like the molded in color kits too....less painting....just a good clear coat to make it shine
Wow, your memory is awesome. I can't remember things a month ago 😕
Jo-Hans are my Favs for their Mopars and MPC is my Second for Mopars. I only have 3 Original Cartoon Mopar kits tho. Love the show, Thank You...
Morning Steve, another great video, I remember building those Johan flatbox kits when I was a kid, you purchased the Golden Commando kit from me on eBay, I recognized the track from our Church that we belong too..I had close to 100 vintage kits....
One hint Steve! But the rubber tires on a small plastic bag or wrap them inside a paper. Sometimes those tires will melt the plastic parts they have contact with.
Always like the Jo-Han models. Mostly for the different variety of vehicles.
For MoPar fans like me Jo Han was our salvation. But now it's a curse because the molds were ruined and not preserved.
Same here!
I follow a few model making channels. I’m sure they’d agree with your idea about re-popping some classic kits.
Omg they would there is so many surviving original kits that you could make new tooling for. Some of us whom love model kits would pay for reissues
Very good timing, I'm watching a S/S Dodge on eBay, the later one.
I wish I would have kept all my models I built in 70's and 80's. I put out for trash when I moved from my parents house. The only model kits I kept were the ones I didn't build. I like seeing them @ different carshows I go to @ Carlisle fairgrounds in Carlisle, Pennsylvania. I can't wait for spring Carlisle in April 20-24! Take care.
This is my problem with Round 2, they keep repopping the same kits just with new decals. There are so many kits that need to be brought back.
It does get tiresome, however in their defense Round2 does also fix problems on SOME of the old kits and they are getting around to releasing some interesting old kits as well, such as the AMT 60s Lotus Indycar kits and the like.
The issues I have with Round2 are first the kits they've released without fixing anything, which despite the good quality plastic, nice tires and good looking decals are terrible. Second is the re-popping of kits as different brands without any indication on the box art or wherever. I can understand the thinking behind releasing a kit under a brand that is widely known like AMT, but they'd probably sell even more if the people who remember the original Lindberg 64 Belvedere or whatever and haven't heard of scalemates could get the info on the box art or something that the "new" AMT kit is the same thing.
I understand your point. But lets remember that Round 2 is a BUSINESS and today's profits become tomorrows new kit investments. Yes, ther eis a fine line but I think Round 2 is walking it very well. But yes, with luck and hope, they'll really step out and CLONE some vintage JoHan kits. If anybody can, its Round 2 (then again Revell-Monogram did it with the Rommel's Rod revival about 10 years ago). Lets keep our hopes up! -Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante Yes, they've got a business to run and overall they're doing a good job in my view. We also have to remember that if companies like Round2 weren't around, who knows if those new releases of old AMT/MPC/Lindberg kits would even be a thing and the molds suffered a similar fate to JoHan, scrap or train accidents...Even though now I'm much more careful about which new MPC and AMT kits I buy, even the turds build into nice looking models. It might take an infuriating amount of fixing, but at least with the ones I've done, the plastic is very good quality and the parts are straight. And it's not like Revell Germany and especially Italeri haven't repopped many things over the years that maybe should've been left be :)
Speaking of Revell USA, along with the Rommel's Rod, they've been doing a pretty good job of bringing back their old stuff. There's definitely hope, because I think there's so much interest among people who want to build the good JoHan, Revell, Monogram and AMT kits and not just collect them, that there's got to be a big enough potential market to do it.
I had that ramchargers model as a kid.
One of my favorite years. I owned a 1964 Dodge polara in high school. Love the body style.
Thank you for doing something honest on CZcams. Too many others on here doing "reality" garbage on here. And yes I'm talking car guy stuff. Sad.
I've now caught a few of your model car videos and have definitely enjoyed them. As a Massachusetts native transplanted to Vermont, this is great winter fodder for peak building season. Keep up the great work Steve and thank you.
Regarding the 3-D digital scan of the Rommel's Rod. I have an early Monogram kit that has never been opened that would be a good candidate for the same procedure.
If any one remembers the Dragon Wagon / Circus Wagon show rod. It was the one that had the dragon, in a cage, on the back of the vehicle. What makes this kit unique
is the fact that after this kit was manufactured, Monogram re-tooled the molds to create the Hangman kit. Dragon Wagon was then, never produced again. If one of these
new manufacturing companies decides to try to recreate this kit - I might be willing to also, let them borrow my original to do a new 3-D tooling.
Back in the day Monogram was always my favorite model of course because they were all molded in color. It was nice only to have to brush paint a couple of parts here and there.
I totally agree!
Great job man keep up the good work🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯🔥💯
Another great Video Stevo . Mom and Dad both worked and models were my baby sitters .
Your speaking my language every episode thank you!!
Get well Steve.......!!
i wish they would do a '66 Belvedere kit , weird they skipped that year doing a '65 and '67 .
I would give my right arm for that flat box Petty model 😊👍Great video as usual . Never disappointed with your videos !
I absolutly love the fact that you get right into and build some kits!
Thank You Steve. I was Confused because I used yo YourJunk Yard Crawl. Great Rin down on Kits I didnt know Existed
Love your model kit videos! Brings back go memories!
Man great collection there! I can tell you’re a dodge mopar fan! Lol 😂👍 hey I like mopar muscle too! You know I think I got one of those in hot wheels! Hot wheels a few years back released 1960s gasser’s and funny cars from that era, I have quite a few of them! I think including that ram charger! Great stuff keep it coming!👌😎👍
Build one!!! Let's see the skills!!!
Round2 recently released a 1/25 kit of an International Transtar Tractor that was 3D scanned from a survivor kit and retooled with modern advancements. They could do it with Jo-Han kits (relatively) easily if they obtained the rights from Okey Spaulding.
They could even modify tooling from their existing kits to provide more detailed chassis and engines to the often perfectly dimensioned Jo-Han bodies.
With the prices of glue bomb rebuilders approaching what a factory sealed kits went for five years ago, the market for reanimated Jo-Han kits is a no brainer for a company like Round2…they have the experience, license-acquisition know how, and a fan base of consumers impressed enough by their existing product offerings to follow them down ANY modeling rabbit hole.
Hello Frank, THANK YOU for your insights. I didn't know the vintage Ertl Transtar truck kit was conjured "from thin air". I thought only the Monogram Rommel's Rod was the first. I completely agree that if anyone is going to make this happen, it'll be the visionaries at Round 2 (in particular Tom Lowe). Here's hoping the momentum of demand will see this through! And THANKS AGAIN for commenting. -Steve Magnante
Beautiful models and wonderful videos Steve I love your passion and your realism for this hobby and sport!! I could talk to people like you all day long about cars
My father was a expert model car builder and regrettably as a pre teen my friends and I shot up with a pellet gun, blew up with M-80s, and duck taped Estes rocket engines to all of the beautiful models he had spent many hours working on . I wish that I had saved one or two of them ..
Amazing Steve all your knowledge love your work Randy from Michigan
yeah man cool man real cool man
Very interesting. Thanks for sharing.
Cool! Thanks!
Steve love your channel can watch all day tell everyone I know to check out soo I like to know the daily driver and the week end cruiser or anything interesting that you have that hauls thanks ✌️
Thanks for the video
You have great knowledge in vehicles from long time ago.. you're also a very good speaker
Steve! I need a Stevemags shirt buddy. Where are you hiding the order link? 😃
Working on it!
@@SteveMagnante That's great news Steve. I'm looking forward to it.
its probally all down to money....for them to figure it out......ill gladly buy any rerleast.....for my collection....your vids are awsome steve...its been cold here in pennsylvaina too.....keep them coming......thank you
Steve. Your knowledge is just outstanding. And I appreciate you educating us as always. When I was a kid in the early 70s I got a Jo-Han 69 Road Runner. I remember opening it new. Bought it at K Mart. That big HEMI with the Mickey Thompson valve covers. I was hooked. Back then I built it how I thought my older brother would have done his car. In the 90s I rebuilt it into a pro street car. It is a bit rough. Still one of my favourite models.
Is there a way to add or send your photos. Looking forward to the junk yard crawl. But hope the model one can continue as well if time permits.
Model makers playing fast and loose with history, you say?
**MPC's 1971 Plymouth Superbird has entered the chat**
I'm geussing all of us who watch these great videos went directly to eBay after watching to see what flatboxes were listed to pillage!! 🤣 Keep up the great work Steve!!
They also made a 64 Dodge Polara convertible promo. I've seen them in the 250-400 range.
Your videos are very informative and full of great history thank you
Glad you like them!
The big issue with decals that old, they tend to crack and crumble if you want to use them. But then, who would want to build a rare old kit like that? The other thing I've heard is some times the tires got put on the body and made a mess of a completely sealed old kit
thanks for the info on the flat box kits--I thought only the Palmer Plastics models did the thin boxes. Ugh, having to glue the sides of the body to the top layer of the body in order to get a kit built--so much "fun" trying to line it all up nice and sqaure! Like doing that 1959 sunliner Skip's Fiesta kit.
Awesome
Luv ya work mate !Money well spent IMHO , and u'r not pedantic about it . Good job.
So now I know my competition! Lol
Hi Scale Model car Guy Channel, fear not, I'm no competition for anyone (I hope). My primary objective is Junkyard Crawling but here in Massachusetts when the junkyards are covered n ice and snow, I'm stuck indoors. That's when the models come out to play. aI've found that the CZcams Universe is HUGE and there's room for anyone with a compelling message. THANKS again for watching, Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante thank you for your videos and your support for the modeling community and the love and passion that you have for the history of johan models and they are by far my favorite models ever and been building them every since the late 70's as well and keep those awesome videos coming!
just picked up some kits at walmart and my wallet isnt happy.
Cool!!! 👍👍👍
Thanks!
round 2 /amt has reissued the old ertl ih transtar cabover co 4070 but they have lost their minds almost 70 bucks for a model truck kit way too much call me when it gets to 50 .love to have that in my collection but at 68 and change it will have to stay on their shelf for now, until they come back to reality ! btw love to see all your old kits takes me back to saturday walking thru thru k-mart looking for my next build
I understand, when I first discovered AMT and Ertl truck model kits in the 1977-era, I was shocked at how they cost about $6.00, versus $2.25 for a typical AMT or MPC car model kit. I guess its all "relative". THANKS for watching, Steve Magnante
Steve are you aware of the original 1964 Dodge and Plymouth kits (hardtops and convertibles) that had the original Fury / Polara side trim moldings and the 426 wedge engine with the incredible exhaust manifolds. In mid year they offered the kits with different art work and the Hemi motor. And there were also 99 cent kits that only had the stock parts. And the promos of these cars had the regular and correct split bench seats instead of the buckets and console in the kits. All of the reissues had the side moldings removed and no wedge motor.
Hi GQJOHNNY, Yes, I've seen those fantastic JoHan Tri-Y Max Wedge exhaust manifolds. I have ONE set of them I got back in the 1980's from a friend's parts box and I'm waiting for the right project car kit to use them on. Funny thing, as you state, JoHan obviously felt it was important to be "up to the minute" with kit accuracy (in some areas anyway) and - again, as you mentioned - the 1964 Dodge "Cotton Owens" Dodge stock car kit had engine call out decals that read 385 hp (wedge) and 425 hp (Hemi). I have seen exactly TOW sets of those beautifully intricate Tri-Y Max Wedge exhaust manifolds, one on a Red1964 Dodge at the Carlisle Factory Super Stock Invitational (that used to be held in the old "car dealership" building and the other set sitting loose in the swap meet. Funny thing, the Tri-Y exhaust manifold on the passenger side forced a NEW INNER FENDER STAMPING!!! Just below the hood hings is a flattened area about 7-inches long and 3 inches wide. It is definately NOT hammer work but rather a true stamped item. I can't imagine Dodge / Plymouth tooled up a specific Tri-Y inner fender panel for the (perhaps) 25 to 100 cars built before the 426 Race Hemi took over in late 1964. I've since made it a point to inspect every 1964 Dodge / Plymouith I've seen for a similar flattened region under the passenger-side hood hinge....but have not yet seen another. The Mystery Continues.... THANKS for writing and watching, Steve Magnante
I had an original release Ramcharger"s Dodge. The stripe decals were ridiculously hard to apply and I made a mess of them. They covered the entire roof and trunk and were just too much limp sticky film to position correctly. They had to be perfectly straight to look right and just a little crookedness or kink would ruin the effect and make the whole thing look like shit. They were also rather thick and didn't lay down cleanly. I can still feel my frustration 50 years later.
T-Shirts coming soon Steve?
Hey Steve, can we come over and race slot cars?! :-)
Why can't they remake these kits with 3-D printers?
Moebious would be the leader in re-producing any johan kits. Wonder If Polar lights paid Oakey for the rights?
Steve any tips on putting the Johan funny car chassis together. I have always had a difficult time with them but I love em I'm a Johan junkie
cat scratch fever Ted the sledge
Was the Chic Tract in the Plymouth Jo-Han box too?
Do we know what the purpose was for these flat boxes? I see Round 2 has re-issued some of the AMT kits in those flat boxes. They're before my time.
Orange is terrible to paint over, I remember trying to paint a Revell or Monogram Bronco in white and six coats later you could still see orange.
It wasn't that long ago you could buy re-releases of some of the Jo-Han promo kits, things like 55 Pontiac sedans, did that all get lost too?
Awesome video. Is that a Rambler Scrambler on the shelf?
Yes, it is!
I have the flat box fury's. Do you have any JoHan Chryslers that you could show?
Steve,do you buy these kits to build them,or do you only buy them to have an unbuilt kit collection?
Do you have the Dodge feverbee? Those are rare and cool.
Huh... Small world, years ago, I bought a bf 109 model from Johan, $5 bucks at the dirt ball mall. Funny.
T-shirt? 👀🤙
Hello Steve, I dig your channel! I was wondering if there are any model companies out that made a Richard Petty 1971 Roadrunner nascar model?
MPC did a 1972 Petty Road Runner back in 1972 or so. Its a great kit but now priced around $200. Maybe Round 2 will recreate it...
@@SteveMagnante cool! Thank you for getting back to me Steve 😁
In the last few months I won a MPC 72 Roadrunner Nascar as a rebuilder on ebay, got it for a whopping 45$.. lol
Missing a couple wheels and motor but I know I can find something for it in my parts box. 😁
I wonder, why couldn't you do a 3D print of everything. I don't know.
Painting over a color can be a great opportunity to utilize the color and do some airbrush work. Warning ⚠️, don't use your mom's doiley from the side tables for your pattern....
ok...where do i get one of those tshirts
I feel bad, I just liked the video and became the 427th person to do so - really should have left it at 426 😉😉
Hi Cycolac fan, I'm the same way with the number 426. When my change at the supermarket is $4.26 I notice it. I also dig it when I notice the clock and it reads 4:26 (usually p.m., I'm typically sleeping in the a.m.). They call this "totem-ism" I say its fun and somehow meaningful. Even if its not, I appreciate it when "the Hemi gods" send us these little surprises! THANKS for watching, Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante I have the same thing when the clock shows 3:31 - it’s good to hear there’s a name for it 😉
Thanks for the effort you put into the videos Steve, they just keep getting better 👍
**Balickis JY In Mass.?**
I LOVE Balicki's Yard BUT they are super duper "gun shy" about allowing me and a film team in there. They let ME walk alone, but don't like larger parties. I'm still working on them though! Thanks for watching, Steve Magnante
hahaha Jack Chick!
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What is the original price for those kits?
They were $1.98 for these dual-build 1964 Dodge and Plymouth kits. I think its fair to pay $100 or more for these relics.
I have an IMC Ford mustang II kit still sealed. I believe it dates from 1965 but I know nothing about this company, please can you help.
Stu, weren't you an early Beatle? Just kidding. IMC was one of the smaller model kit makers but did some excellent kits including your Mustang II Show Car and others like the Dodge Little Red Wagon. Your Mustang II kit has been re-released over the years but is still an easy $75 to $150 kit today at the Model Car Swap Meet or on eBay. THANKS for writing, Steve Magnante
@@SteveMagnante maybe I'm related. I only live 30 miles from Liverpool. Thanks for the info though.
So do you think I could start a channel where I either ask for live donations to NOT build a super rare kit that I buy, that it might make money to buy more kits that I not make. And then every once in a while, I have donations sent in to vote for a model out of say 16, narrowed to 8, narrowed to 4, then 2 then one and then I actually build that model from super rare kits, do you think that would be supported or just drive you guys nuts?
You're either a collector or a builder.
This concept wouldn't get off the ground floor.
Hi Shawn, I like your idea. I've had similar (but more deranged) ideas about staging demolition derbies between say, a Hemi 'Cuda and an LS6 Chevelle. Insanity! But I hate to say it, I bet such a hairbrained scheme would go viral. Can you imagine it? "Today on the Shawn Nlrman CZcams Channel its TRANS AM Wars! Watch as this 1967 Camaro Z/28 goes head-to-head with this pristine Mustang Boss 302..." Then have the cars proceed to engage in a fender bending, glass smashing fight to the death in a sand ring. Ouch! Insane yes, but perhaps The Next Big Thing? I hope not.....
Moebius please....
Even though Jo Han was very innovated with their kits the flat box design was a bust. The intention was better, efficient stacking of product for shipping and displaying but the center of the box was easily pushed in and the contents got damaged. Often you opened the box and found the roof crushed and broken A pillars, convertibles in particular. And tires laying against the glass pieces and decal sheets and damaging them. Jo Han was always slow in recognizing these problems and correcting them. Go back to the regular box design. And the promos made from the bad plastic material that warped so badly. Why so many years to switch to the better plastic?
Have you seen this Jim Keeler interview?
czcams.com/video/Q3MphJfB32I/video.html
Good information.....do you have a wife/girlfriend?
I don't
@@SteveMagnante Thanks for the reply. Weren't you married at one time?
Well I have come to see that with these Johan model videos, that you are one of those people out there who have more money than brains. No kit worth $250.00 no matter what it is. It is a plastic model car.
Hi RayThackSton, I understand your point, but please try to remember that there are folks who spend millions on paintings, hundreds of thousands on coins and hundreds of bucks on comic books. I guess there's an "ass for every seat". My hope is that Round 2 or somebody will RE-RELEASE / CLONE these vintage JoHan kits so the SCALPER, SHARK, OPPORTUNIST kit dealers can go pound sand. But I digress. On second thought, these folks certainly have every right to keep their precious JoHan goodies unless somebody pays up enough coin to let them go. I get it, its the old supply / demand cycle. Anyhoo, THANKS for watching and writing. -Steve Magnante
The same thought process would make you question why a 1970 Hemi'Cuda that sold brand new in 1970 for $4000 is now worth millions of dollars. Supply and demand, my friend. Back in 1990 or so, I was desperate to buy a plastic model of a 1971 Dodge Demon 340 but I couldn't find one anywhere. They hadn't been current for over a decade and they'd yet to be rereleased, and remember these were the days before ebay and the internet were a thing so finding obscure stuff was next to impossible. It turned out that a friend of mine had a built Demon kit but didn't want to sell it, until I offered him $100 for it. He couldn't take my money fast enough and sold it to me on the spot. $100 was crazy money for a 1/25 kit back then but I had to have it since I had a 1:1 Demon 340. Something is only worth what someone will pay for it, high or low, and that Demon model was worth $100 to me that day. 👍
@@SteveMagnante I get it Steve...I just think it is crazy. I guess I don't have that thing in me that an object(any object) is worth a huge amount of money because it is old or whatever. I find it mind blowing at what people will pay for things just because..."I got to have it". Love the videos...keep them coming.