Lady Jessica and Duke Leto II
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- čas přidán 20. 09. 2013
- I really think this is the best scene in the "children of dune" series. why is it that we have the best conversation with our grandmothers? frank herbert is without a doubt in my mind, a kind of legend. he wrote this scene, and james mcavoy did a superb job. it reaches out to me on a personal level, reminds me of conversations with my grandmother. look at the colours... golden light, the golden path: but there also are shadows. yin and yang...
- Hry
“Grandmother…would you still love me if I turned into a worm?”
It would have been funny if he just decided to mess with her a bit.
Leto II:
"What? No Grandpa! Bad -- bad idea!! You weren't genetically related to her -- I *am* genetically related to her. No... *no*. Bad Grandpa. Back in the closet you go -- dirty old man..."
Me: Are you James McAvoy? Yes? You can be whatever you want, lil caterpillar. 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰🐛🐛🐛🐛🐛
@@kabella86 so you'd be fine with your grandson laying pipe on you if he looked like James Mcavoy?
the original question 😂
The only situation when this question is valid. He also can ask similar question from Ghanima
I love the laugh he gives when she uses the Voice on him. He's like..."How cute"
Exactly!!!!
His acting is consummate. And he really showed the world his acting ability in this series and such scenes.
Kind of reminds me of how Paul reacted to the lady who used the voice on him though he was a lot more serious.
I know! LOL. He's more powerful than she could ever be.
It's a fine effort. Leto was about as smug a character as could ever be. He's the heir to the throne of the universe, and literally knows more than everyone.
The funny thing is that the golden path was in the end living and dying for his subjects. No one caused more pain to humanity than Leto II, but no one suffered more than him for humanity either.
He did what was necessary. The only true hero of Dune.
@@julitakamaki4386 I think you mean the Duncans
Leto understood he had to become the villain humanity needed to grow better.
He lived longer than any other human in history and suffered beyond the time he lived for “a pearl of consciousness within every worm but unable to influence a molecule of the body it resides”.
“Either die a hero, or live long enough to watch yourself become a villain.”
Leto cause pain to humanity cause it was the only way to the golden path
You're not telling me for a second that McAvoy's outstanding performance here didn't influence the casting of Timothee Chalamet.
I am sure it is. Even the choice of Timothee is a reflection of McAvoy as a perflectly cast Leto II. The same androgynous physique and face, the same sensitive and nuanced approach to acting.
@@evamasters5028 Interesting thought if McAvoy could have played Duke Leto in the 2021 film. Too late now of course but that would have been a cool alternate timeline I think.
It was probably more so his performance in the movie The King. He has that aristocratic look to him and closely resembles the description in the book.
@@BalrogUduntrue👍
The irony being tat, McAvoy was actually way to old to play Leto if your going by the books. It should have been children. But yeah, he did an great job. Not to mention both mini series were way better than the original Dune movie that butchered the book.
My gosh, he was so beautiful in this! I can barely concentrate on his acting lol
haha I know right?! I've always crushed on James McAvoy even when he was Mr. Tummnus in Narnia LOL
Because your mind is small.
@@fornoreason8822 oh feck off
Yeees, OMG that mouth
Same 😍😍🙈
Pretty sure that most Dune freakazoids like myself love McAvoy as Leto because he is spot on perfect in this role. This remake of the Dune series was the best yet.
Vivian Anderson Uh... this was an original. Not a remake. Children of Dune was never a movie other than this.
It helps that he was a fan of Dune before he took the role (as I understand it)
I agree. I'm wondering how to next remake going to be.
HE WAS PERFECT
Vivian Anderson I don’t find this Lady Jessica at all believable
Just as I am now convinced that Oscar Isaac is THE Leto I., I am certain that no-one will ever top James McAvoy as Leto II. Something just clicks right into place when you see them on screen after reading the books.
Even thoe Leto II Is nine in children of dune
Mcavoy just kills you really feel like he’s something else a different beast then compared to what Paul was
Yeah I've always pictured James in my head with every re-read since these movies hit Sci-fi. Wow 2 hyphens in one sentence.
oscar isaac is not leto I, but jurgen prochnow yes!
McAvoy nailed this role to a level I still can’t believe. Crushed it
They should just recast him, I mean the guy doesn't age anyway...
This scene shows how much Leto is far ahead of the game than the rest of them and yet still remains cordial despite the pitiful attempts at manipulation.
I love the giggle when she tries to Voice him...
"Nice try, try again later" -Leto II
"How quaint" giggle
It's definitely a show of Leto IIs power. He literally just chuckles it off, it came across as 'You didn't need to do that I was gonna tell you anyway'
Loved it when he laughed at her trying to use the voice on him !!! 😂
And blows her away with his own command of it. The shoe is on the other foot in this scene.
And still answers honestly
Why does she do that when she asks, “Is that what you’re struggling with?” Just to ensure he answers honestly?
She came back to Arrakis, checking if her grandchildren were possessed by the souls of their ancestors. But she didn't see possession in her daughter until it was too late...
Which is an interesting choice because in the book, she recognizes the abomination as soon as she sees Alia
She doesn't do anything at all to help her daughter. I can accept that Alia couldn't be saved but Jessica didn't even try.
@@CarnisianLady Simplified plot because they needed a villain.
@@immortaljanus yeah, kind of subpar writing.
The real tragedy is that we never saw Ian McAvoy as a giant worm
Whose Ian McAvoy? 💀
@@FERAL_ENTITY Leto II's actor
@@Pastartes047 google Ian mcavoy and tell me what you see
@@Pastartes047I believe u mean James, James McAvoy
@@ryanbaker5296 Got confused by their last name
He covers up his Scottish accent so well.
Yes, he has always been able to portray the charming, English gentleman. You can see the proto Xavier here. And he does have a broad accent like my own.
Yes, but he's got a really thick Scottishb accent in interviews.
It's funny because Xavier has this perfect generalised English accent, but James in interviews is like "AYE MAN HAVE I TOLD YOU HOW MUCH I LOVE MICHAEL FASSBENDER" in a really strong Scottish accent
Exatamente , eu me lembro de uma entrevista que assisti com ele falando normalmente e na minha cabeça eu ficava me perguntando: Mas espera aí 🌝, essa é a mesma pessoa? não é possível 😂😂 . Ele tem um sotaque tão carregado, tão diferente que parecia outra pessoa completamente.
Robbie from Atonement
1:14 Damn, Professor X just smirked off the Borg Queen!
If it was all on the CW, we'd have a crossover episode...
Good one
LOL!! that comment made my day! Especially when he used the voice on her.
Funny, in David Lynch's Dune, Gurney Halleck was played by Patrick Stewart who played Cpt. Picard. Also, Picard met the Borg Queen.
@@thegoodwin not to mention, he is Professor X too!
The first time I saw this amazing adaptation of Children of the dune I told myself that the actor James McAvoy would become an amazing and huge actor and after Dune he just became bigger and bigger. An amazing actor!!!
Richie Daniel I haven't been surprised at his subsequent success, either. I thought he gave the single best acting job in the miniseries, making sympathetic and compelling a character I didn't much like in the book.
Nah this was a different beast than Lynch's version
Was thinking the same for Alec Newman and Julie Cox honestly x')
Both films are good for my opinion.
@thiefofa1073 she's been away from Arrakis for a long time after the events of the first book, the spice has faded.
@jerodast
blue eyes are "symptom" of Spice addiction. It can't fade away since spice addiction can't be broken. Since Your eyes change blue and You stop taking spice, You die. That's the "payment" for longer life and "deeper" brain thinking.
So yeah, they failed hard with her depiction here. It was either screenwriters fail or FX specialists fail.
God, how really, really weird it would feel to be Jessica here…he’s your grandson, but he also has every single memory from your dead romantic partner who happens to also be his grandfather.
Yeah...now think about what his relationship with his sister would be like. Dunes wild man.
And Leto II has his grandmother's memories too - and his parents.
If they ever do God Emperor of Dune, they really should ask him if he would play the part of Leto II again. I bet he would say yes. Maybe let him do some of the directing too, I think he would try hard to do the original book justice.
Perhaps if Denis Villeneuve's Dune movies do well enough and if he managed to get that far into the story perhaps we could see McAvoy reprise his role as the God Emperor in all his Sandywormy goodness.
@@diegof655 that would be great
Ŕead the books
@@rustybird8803 I think we all have. That doesn't mean we don't want to see a visual adaptation that does the whole saga justice. All the way up to the Siona, Honored Matres and Miles Teg. However excluding the shitty travesty of the Brian/KVJ-books. That piece of shit can't be forgotten fast enough.
But I want the saga to end with God Emperor of Dune
That golden hour light on his face... Lord have mercy, grant me some control 😁
OMG James McAvoy was just a little baby here and already an astounding actor!
I mean in the book Leto II is 9
@@captainmacmellon8909 True. But aging up the character was probably necessary for a live action film adaptation - child actors who are anywhere near that level are few and far between!
This is the role that made me fall in love with James Macavoy and why he is still one of my favorite actors
i really like that smirk when she tries to use the voice on him XD
"how cute" that's the feeling i'm getting
Remember when grandpa gave you that bouquet of offworld flowers? Remember the gymnastics you performed on the couch? As much as I wish I didn't, I do remember that.
Yes, the scope of it... he knows all she went through, plus all her thoughts, insecurities and even the things she doesn't know, like her conception, very early life and conditioning, her parents and their personalities...
So, I'm really glad they aged Leto up for the mini-series. But scenes like this are so much more powerful when Leto was in a 10-year olds body.
Indeed, this doesn't sell the main point the book perfectly conveyed in this chapter. Jessica slowly understanding how little she understands about Leto (and how Leto uses that to play her like a fiddle). In the book the fact it's the body of a 9 year old Child makes this even more poignant. This scene is cool and all but the book is far superior
Yeah, but it would have been just a poin in the ass for the whole production and get a child to nail such a complex preformance . . . It actualy is one of very few cases where I find they made the right decission to change the main characters like this
@@arianewinter4266 "So I'm really glad they aged Leto up for the mini-series." - me
YES! It would have been almost Exorcist-ish to have a 10 year old talk of things of intimacy or even the mature acrobatics needed for the final scene. A kid couldn't really pull that kind of thing off. Also when Ghani talks about whose blood she wants to see spilled on the wedding sheets.. well, it would be kind of cringe-worthy if a child would say those things. I"m glad they "aged up" the twins.. it made them less "oddities" or "precocious pre-borns" and more human; downplaying their "genetic inheritance' and elevating their other qualities.. Leto's insight and Ghani's empathy and compassion.
@@creativewriter3887 considering the destruction he would later unleash upon the galaxy, the omen would be a better comparison.
James McAvoy cuteness is in a whole new level
Leto and Ghanima, the dynamic between them and then the extended duality in their interactions with everyone else... it was amazing. Perfect, even.
What's sick is in the books there was an almost incestuous undertone.. but given what they had to endure together that's almost a given.
@@creativewriter3887 Oh completely! Very probably the only instance in literature where a lack of incestuous undertones would be noted and missed.
Those poor characters…
Given that both carry memories of all the couples that made them possible it's kind if inevitable such tensions would exist. Like Alia they were never really children in their own right.
@@Concreteowl I have to admit that I really appreciated that they aged them up in the adaptation. Granted, they would never have been able to find 9-year olds who could manage the parts, but it was so very hard to get my head around them being 9… I think this worked far better.
A lot praise in this scene for how McAvoy handles his part, but I want to praise Krige for being able to showcase Jessica in this. Jessica comes in expecting to deal with a child's mind, something she should be able to easily pry into. But in mere moments she goes from confident to terrified that all her abilities are little better than an insects compared to what this "child" in front of her is capable of. When he reads through her to see that she see her Duke in him, to him laughing at her effort to use the Voice on him, to his using the Voice on her shutting her down and locking her in place even though he's not really putting anything into the Voice.
I mean it is said in the books that he has a whole bloody council of the smartest personalities of his ancestors in him he was preborn so he did modifications to his body before he was born and I also think that the Bene geserate were so stupid in thinking that they could ever control a being like him.
@@udhavveersinghbhatia9524 Well said, however ego is the weakness that grows in all things unchallanged.
@@Deepingmind There was no ego in Leto the second, he was omniscient and in the end sacrificed himself and billions of others for the sake of humanity
I would hightly recommend you read the novel God Emperor of Dune, which is the novel that covers the events up to Leto's end. There are many, but a key point is that Leto makes use of the legacy of Duncan to help keep himself grounded and that he often finds himself needing a course correction. As the God Emperor notes himself, we are all human and humans make mistakes.
@@Deepingmind I did read all the books, and the 2 points i got out of it were
1) what does it mean to be human
2) does foretelling the future really improve our existance
of course thats very simplified
i kind of found GED kinda of boring when compared to the other books, but the philosophy behind it really got me asking questions when i got older
He is utterly luminous.
It was in this moment that she realized he would be more than she could deal with
There is no greater insult than the little smile Leto smiled??!
Ladies and Gentlemen: That dude will be God Emperor for 3000 years
He speaks to his grandmother about her lover (his namesake) literally living on within him. Both should know that she is literally living on within him too. All of his ancestors do.
This was the first thing I had ever saw James McAvoy in an I was impressed he wasn't famous at the time
I love this scene. McAvoy at his subtlest and best acting. Also the dialogue is great and James plays the role of the precocious teenager winning verbal exchange after verbal exchange with his Bene Gezarit grandmother to perfection. I don't know which line/acting I like best. I just love for example when he tells her that he reminds her of Leto, his namesake and her beloved Duke... and how talking about it will lead them down a line of intimacy which will make them both feel uncomfortable. I also love how subtle is McAvoy when she tries to use the voice on him and how mature is his responds when he tells her "it is possible, but is it desirable? I have some difficult decisions to make, Grandmother." I also love the ending... Lady Jessica still thinks that she has the upper hand and tells him "I can help you." I just love his response, along with him choosing to use the voice "on the contrary, Grandmother. It is I who can help you." Just brilliant dialogue and brilliant acting. Rebecca Ferguson is great here, but James steals to show.
That ain’t Rebecca Ferguson
She’s in the newest remake
Alice Krige.
James McAvoy looks good for a 9 year old
Well, I get why they changed that, it would have been just a fucking lot for a little kid to play and a pain in the ass for the whole production
Pause...
@@arianewinter4266 the studio could fed shitton of spices to 9 year olds to awaken the kid's latent acting talents
@@mikejohnstonbob935 I see no problem with that at all
I think he is perfect for this part because he brings across the notion of a very young person with a very old soul just perfectly - he has that boyish air about himself, and yet a maturity beyond the years that he outwardly has, and there is a hard look in his eyes sometimes that could make you cringe. He clearly is the one in power in this situation.
To think of it - having all those previous selves inside of him almost gives him a latent case of multiple personality disorder, without the dissociative component. (And McAvoy did play a person with MPD once!)
I would LOVE it if in the third Dune Movie, Paul has a glimpse into the future where James McAvoy as an older Leto II speaks to him, just as we saw Alia in the second movie speaking to Paul
This scene started out awkward, then became heartwarming and then went back to awkward again
Such is the sad tale of House Atreides. Happiness can turn into tragedy at the drop of a hat.
They should just recast him for God Emperor, hes still great for the role.
James you need to do more sci fi films, it’s a genre that needs excellent actors.
The moment Leto used the voice, Jessica knew she was dealing with something beyond understanding.
I melt when he uses the voice. This is my first exposure to macVoy and I fell in love so much
McAvoy is so cute. His performance is amazing
It's nice to see a young Picard and the borg queen in the holosuit having a good time.
Watching this scene as I begin to understand Dune lore more and more always fascinates me.
We learn here that Leto II is much more powerful than everyone who has came before him. Paul, Jessica, Leto - They were needed to push Leto II to this position of power and he understands that. He doesn't take this opportunity as a gift for him to use, but rather a privilege - since he knows that he is unlike anyone who will ever exist. At this stage of power, he knows he can get whatever he wants whenever he wants, hell he can even see it himself eventually happening. But here he's asking the question, "what is better for humanity?"
He can be a good leader, an Emperor which only provides for their people and lives for them. But he sees this outcome, and while it is comfortable, it isn't long nor prosperous. He can choose the path that Paul abandoned, a way into history that will make him dominate the Known Universe with an iron fist for a people which despise his hand, but humanity will continue. He can become more powerful than any being before and after him, but he needs to change himself completely into something almost monstrous.
It's once again the issue that Paul had upon his arrival to Arrakis. Lose greater power which saves lives but ultimately leads humanity into a dead-end, or gain power at the cost of lives for humanity to preserve itself.
Aw love this Lady Jessica. I think Alice Krige suited the role much more. She's always so brilliant.
No idea how she lost the Fremen eyes. But oh well.
@@shawngillogly6873 I read that some people used contacts to hide their melange addiction. I can't really imagine why Lady Jessica would want to hide her eyes. Or she was able to kick the addiction even though it is said that it stays with people for life.
@@reikun86 I'm probably wrong but, I don't think she stayed on Arrakis long enough for her blood to be saturated by the Spice
If I recall, she was the first choice to play Lady Jessica in the original miniseries.
I really hope Denis Villeneuve continues the Frank Herbert Dune series to completion. I want to see James McAvoy as God Emperor.
That response to the voice is such a good moment.
This lady Jessica does give off similar vibes to the fantastic portrayal by Rebecca Ferguson
James McAvoy is a genius actor. 🙌🙌🙌
God damn this is PERFECT casting.
Love james so much!! And that shirt god he looks so good in it
Awww, james mcavoy. Such a blessing of a man
James McAvoy is amazing is this
The miniseries was my first time seeing him act, and I've been a huge fan ever since. 😊 I've enjoyed watching him become the huge star he is :)
"Perhaps it would be better if I never became emperor."
Oh, my sweet, innocent boy. You're gonna be the emperor alright XD
I didn't know that Professor X looked this good when he was even younger.
I love how blue his eyes are
even back then Mcavoy . was amazing.
Still a good actor even then
999,999 of these views are just from people admiring young James McAvoy
Leto's fashion sense is chef's kiss.
I think Herbert was drawing on powerful experiences of his own with certain archetypes, and that he used fiction as a container or space in which to safely explore them. He was engaged in what Jung called active imagination.
Well, he was also exploring certain ideas that were popular at the time. For example, the idea of genetic ancestral memory, which is seen as fringe today, was actually being treated seriously by some people in the 60's and 70's.
@Curiouser11 - You're forgetting one small, crucial detail: we do *not* carry the genes of *all* our ancestors. Only 1/4 of your genes come from each of your grandparents, 1/8 from great-parents, 1/16 for great-great grandparents, etc....
Thus, the amount of genetic information that you have from ancestors reduces each generation back that you go. Eventually, you will have little or nothing carried over directly from distant ancestors.
Not that Herbert was ever very consistent on this topic anyway. For example, he frequently forgot, in his own explanation of genetic ancestral memory, that no further genetic exchange takes place after conception. So, just as an example, the ego-memory of Baron Harkonnen that possessed Alia should have been of a younger Baron with no recollection of what he had done in the decades after conceiving Jessica.
Wouldn’t the ego of the baron been able to see what had happened from inside alias mind tho?
While the Dune miniseries was a bit... rough, Children of Dune was just amazing.
This movie is brought me to the books. It has a perfect dune vibe For me.
This is the very moment Leto II decided to end this whole future seeing bullshit. Every man should be given the power to choose their own destiny.
Phenomenal acting. The book comes to lifffeeee!!
You can tell Leto wants to worm out so bad
OH MY GOD THESE EYES ARE STANNNING!
Good GOD! It´s the BORG QUEEN
Alice Kreig fm South Africa
and the future professor X ! strange how SCI-FI worlds collide !!
That's funny, I was thinking of "Silent Hill"!
She is awesome as Lady Jessica! Oh how I wish a Dune movie came out when I was in college!
hmmm, yes I noticed that. Not sure if that does the character of Lady Jessica justice or not. She doesn't warm up to me like the actress who played the role in the D.Lynch movie.
Without repeating the original text of the book, they sure got the point across.
Every time I catch myself wishing they'd do another remake of Dune to finally do it Justice with a massive budget, I'm halted by the realization that should the story make it this far it won't have an actor as good as James playing Leto II.
Lawzy in Villeneuve we trust...
It would also have a shitload of SJW undertones in it as well. Nothing, NOTHING is good when the SJW's touch it
@@crazylarryjr How does that have to do with anything?
@@crazylarryjr If they did God Emperor of Dune right, it would piss off everyone except SJWs, who would lack the self awareness to realize it preaches against what they stand for almost more than anything else. And that would be the best part is everyone would come out of the movie thinking "should I be mad that Frank Herbert took the piss out of my pet ideology or laughing because he did the same to everyone else"
@@progrocker2112 timothy whatshisname is nowhere as good as McAvoy
This scene is amazing. McAvoy is amazing.
Alice Krige as Jessica is perfect.
She really is!
Sh'es brillaint. So convincing in this stage of Jessica's journey.
this miniseries is my favorite of all time by far
Professor X, God Emperor of Dune :)
Wouldn't it be amazing to see him in an adaptation of GEOD?
He can also curve bullets.
If the new DUNE is a success we may yet see this on the big screen one day
Nick Coulthurst i hope so, Leto ii is a character that is even more complicated then Paul though, hopefully Denis is given full control of scripting etc
Hope you saw it now brother
Weird seeing him as a young human but knowing what he will become
Love, love, love Leto II.
God hes so beautiful
Odd looking 10 year old ... Still wish they done the sequel, think McAvoy would make a good worm
Agreed!!!
Oh grandma.... you re so cute when you try to use voice on me lol
Had to dig the dvd out again, so good.
This was done quite well. Much better than the 1 from the 80's. I mean DUNE is so big...they got so much of it completely RIGHT. SUPERB JOB~!
Dune 1984 is a masterpiece and a cult classic. Dune didn't touch on anything from children of dune so your comment makes no sense to compare both. Next time before commenting, think asswipe.
@@flybeep1661 Haha wow butthurt much
Idek know what this scene is from but James McAvoy is incredible so I can't stop watching
This scene is from the miniseries 'Children of Dune' - all 3 parts can be watched on CZcams.
McAvoy played paul's worm son 😮 I didn't know that
1:37
"Is such a universe possible for someone like you?"
Dune Fans: ........Siona.....
And Hwi to an extent. Part of the reason he loved her.
Wow, this is great acting. Leto is almost condescending but not quite. He is so far above human at this point that he must look down at lady Jessica. At the same time he enjoys whatever humanity he has left and it slipping away really pains him.
love Leto II and Ghanima
I kinda find it werid that I never heard of Dune's tv series until the new Dune movies came out. Like, not even a single meme or perhaps someone randomly talking about it any social medias. I knew I never really bothered with Dune at all, but it's just surreal to me that all these stuff somehow missed me most of my life. Even though I was made aware of the books long before the first of the new movie was even released.
the only reason I heard about whichever one of them is because I read through the wiki and found their rendition of the guild navigator which looked like bad 2000s cgi (which it was)
Same, if I knew about these earlier I feel like I would've given them the chance but I also have never heard a single thing about this adaptation until Part II released
@@blueshit199 iirc, the first time I saw a clip of this show was in one video talking about the Guild navigators. I was wondering at first where that clip originated from and then I learned that Dune actually had a tv series.
@@PBart7 same. It's just surreal cause you'd expect that this would at least have even a small community making memes about it that would randomly pop up in your timeline. But nope. 20 years passed and I never knew Dune had a tv series at all.
Remarkable scene when you think about The Golden Path
If they ever get to god emperor of dune, I hope they recast him as Leto.
McAvoy had an excellent supporting team ( I can't say cast here) of both A and B listers, especially Susan, Alice, and Jessica Brooks.
well during the time McAvoy was the B-Lister and Surandon was definetly more known.
Woah woah woah, James mcavoy played in a Dune series?
I like Alice Krige as Lady Jessica, but I wish they would have just continued with Saskia Reeves as Lady Jessica for continuity, like most other characters.
His eyes are very beautiful...
I Like it this History people. Is So Good. Thanks.
one of the best school plays ive ever seen!!
Jessica, you tried to use the voice on Leto?!? Seriously?
That's God Emperor Leto the Second to you, you peasant!
@@joshuamatic345 If I understand the concept of time in the "Duneverse", probably the correct reply to your statement will be:
Always, but not yet!
@@madmanarrivednow Lord Leto would also be acceptible.
She’s afraid he’s an Abomination.
@@MeredithHagan Calling him an abomination is Like calling the Nepheilim giants. He surpassed Abomination as the god emperor. With the exception he was well within his wits when he became such.
I like the blue eyes of this show much more than any other adaptation. Cause here only the iris is blue.
'' My son, resistance is futile ''
Ele é genial! Amei!
Great scene